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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 19, 2021 0:40:28 GMT -6
Just an update...since the last post Presbyterian has notched another 3 losses, and have been outscored 173 to 108 in those games. Looking at the box scores only, it does seem the opponents have been scoring in large bunches. I wonder if this is due in part to the non traditional field position management philosophy used by Kelley.
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Post by silkyice on Oct 19, 2021 10:03:58 GMT -6
He was pretty vocal about hating individual time when he coached here in high school. Some of it makes total sense to me though. Tackling and blocking are total “want to” things and if you don't want to then you will never be good at it no matter how many drills you run. And to his point about tackling Barry Sanders he's 100% right and it has been stated on here many times. If the opposing teams running back is physically superior to your guys how do you practice that? Well, who has a better chance at tackling Barry Sanders? The guy who isn't very talented but practices consistently on body control, pad level, coming to balance, etc. or the guy who isn't very talented and doesn't practice all of that stuff? And couldn't one say that blocking and tackling are not natural actions, and that no matter how much you want to do them, if you don't practice then you will not be very good at them (when faced with similarly gifted opponents) ? One on one tackling Barry Sanders??? Forget about it. But learn good technique, great run fits, how to work together, leverage, inside foot up, all 11 players, well, it is still Barry Sanders, but you got a chance now. |
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Post by blb on Oct 19, 2021 10:39:11 GMT -6
Well, who has a better chance at tackling Barry Sanders? The guy who isn't very talented but practices consistently on body control, pad level, coming to balance, etc. or the guy who isn't very talented and doesn't practice all of that stuff? And couldn't one say that blocking and tackling are not natural actions, and that no matter how much you want to do them, if you don't practice then you will not be very good at them (when faced with similarly gifted opponents) ? One on one tackling Barry Sanders??? Forget about it. But learn good technique, great run fits, how to work together, leverage, inside foot up, all 11 players, well, it is still Barry Sanders, but you got a chance now. Most of you know who Mark Ingram is. Won Heisman Trophy at Alabama, had several productive years in The League. His last HS game was against us. He had had two 300-yard plus games (yes 300+ rushing), as I recall had about 1800 yards and over 20 TDs in eight games. We were an average team at best defensively but "held" him to 120 yards and one TD (on their first possession), won 35-7. Part of it was game plan, part of it was just fundamental pursuit and gang-tackling. TBH also helped when we got ahead by two scores in 2nd Half their coach stopped giving him the ball and started throwing most of the time. But we wouldn't have gotten ahead by two scores in 2nd Half if we hadn't been able to corral him before then. |
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Post by larrymoe on Oct 20, 2021 7:59:26 GMT -6
One on one tackling Barry Sanders??? Forget about it. But learn good technique, great run fits, how to work together, leverage, inside foot up, all 11 players, well, it is still Barry Sanders, but you got a chance now. Most of you know who Mark Ingram is. Won Heisman Trophy at Alabama, had several productive years in The League. His last HS game was against us. He had had two 300-yard plus games (yes 300+ rushing), as I recall had about 1800 yards and over 20 TDs in eight games. We were an average team at best defensively but "held" him to 120 yards and one TD (on their first possession), won 35-7. Part of it was game plan, part of it was just fundamental pursuit and gang-tackling. TBH also helped when we got ahead by two scores in 2nd Half their coach stopped giving him the ball and started throwing most of the time. But we wouldn't have gotten ahead by two scores in 2nd Half if we hadn't been able to corral him before then. Individual tackling ability is secondary to getting butts to the ball. One of the most successful coaches in our area won multiple state championships with horrible individual defensive technique, but my God did they swarm to the ball. One of the greatest defensive talks I ever attended was Chuck Martin's about angles and setting edges. Completely changed my perception of Defense. We employed the principles that year and held 6 of 9 opponents to 1 Td or less. Of course we went 4-5, but scoring points was not my responsibility that year.... |
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Post by newhope on Oct 20, 2021 8:00:28 GMT -6
They do not work on technique. There are no blocking, tackling or turnover drills and receivers are not asked to work with cones. “Everybody in football is working on blocking and tackling and I don’t think anybody is gonna be a lot better than the other team unless you have dominant, physical guys,” Kelley said. “Tackling depends on who’s running the ball. I mean, if Barry Sanders is running the ball, nobody is a good tackler.” FOOTBALL SCOOP
It's nonsense. Never punting is nonsense. Onside kicking every time is nonsense. The guy beat two teams that are 1-10 between them, giving up an average of over 50 a game between them. He's been absolutely crushed in every other game. How he's earned "guru" status is beyond me--other than some in the media will grab on to anything different, especially those in the media who really don't understand the game This guys' scoreboard is lighting up on the opponent's side like a pinball machine---and he hasn't come close to facing a Barry Sanders on his schedule. Campbell lit him up and I will guarantee you they ain't got one Reminds me of a wikipedia a guy who once coached in our league made for himself, only to have it edited to "self described" guru of American football |
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Post by larrymoe on Oct 20, 2021 8:06:34 GMT -6
They do not work on technique. There are no blocking, tackling or turnover drills and receivers are not asked to work with cones. “Everybody in football is working on blocking and tackling and I don’t think anybody is gonna be a lot better than the other team unless you have dominant, physical guys,” Kelley said. “Tackling depends on who’s running the ball. I mean, if Barry Sanders is running the ball, nobody is a good tackler.” FOOTBALL SCOOP
It's nonsense. Never punting is nonsense. Onside kicking every time is nonsense. The guy beat two teams that are 1-10 between them, giving up an average of over 50 a game between them. He's been absolutely crushed in every other game. How he's earned "guru" status is beyond me--other than some in the media will grab on to anything different, especially those in the media who really don't understand the game This guys' scoreboard is lighting up on the opponent's side like a pinball machine---and he hasn't come close to facing a Barry Sanders on his schedule. Campbell lit him up and I will guarantee you they ain't got one Reminds me of a wikipedia a guy who once coached in our league made for himself, only to have it edited to "self described" guru of American football I never did it, but onside kicking in HS football, especially at the smaller schools, isn't nonsense. You're really only giving your opponent 10-15 extra yards once you get down to it. Recover one or two onside a game? That's a huge swing for a HS game. That said, Idk how well that translates to higher levels of competition. Also, again especially at the smaller levels, punting is also pretty worthless unless you have a great punter. |
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Post by cqmiller on Oct 20, 2021 8:18:20 GMT -6
I would absolutely never do it unless my team was so talented that I knew I could get away with it, or so terrible compared to our opponent that it didn't matter where they got the ball, they would score anyway (which we did once in CA and kept a game much closer than it should have been) The year we won a state championship, we punted twice on 3rd down because our defense was so good we didn't want to risk a turnover on 3rd and a mile so we just punted so our defense could get us the ball back.
We had 3 NFL players and 10 FBS/FCS players on that team... and we still punted on 3rd down twice and most 4th downs.
Especially in high school... the stats are completely not-usable. We have a team that is in the top 20 in the country here. They score on like 90% of their possessions that start on their own 20. Assuming that they fit the "percentages" is not something I'd ever assume. I could argue that the element of surprise gives any onside kick that is NOT end of a game situational one a much higher % recovery rate, but when the other team knows you are going to do it, they are prepared and you lose the element of surprise, which takes your "statistic" and makes it meaningless.
He's used his methods to land him a college job and I'm sure some $$$ in the market, but I could argue that the program at the University of Utah has been as competitive as they have been for as long as they have been because of their Kickers and Punters. They have had DUDES in the kicking game and it makes defense and offense much easier to play when you are flipping the field position regardless of what just happened.
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Post by newhope on Oct 20, 2021 8:18:44 GMT -6
It's nonsense. Never punting is nonsense. Onside kicking every time is nonsense. The guy beat two teams that are 1-10 between them, giving up an average of over 50 a game between them. He's been absolutely crushed in every other game. How he's earned "guru" status is beyond me--other than some in the media will grab on to anything different, especially those in the media who really don't understand the game This guys' scoreboard is lighting up on the opponent's side like a pinball machine---and he hasn't come close to facing a Barry Sanders on his schedule. Campbell lit him up and I will guarantee you they ain't got one Reminds me of a wikipedia a guy who once coached in our league made for himself, only to have it edited to "self described" guru of American football I never did it, but onside kicking in HS football, especially at the smaller schools, isn't nonsense. You're really only giving your opponent 10-15 extra yards once you get down to it. Recover one or two onside a game? That's a huge swing for a HS game. That said, Idk how well that translates to higher levels of competition. Also, again especially at the smaller levels, punting is also pretty worthless unless you have a great punter. Onside kicking on every kickoff is nonsense and not punting is as well, don't care if it's what you did or not. I coached small school football for many, many years. I'd only consider that foolishness if I decided to play no defense whatsoever. There's a time and a place for onside kicks and for not punting....just doing it everytime regardless of situation is a way out of not having to coach kicking, punting and defense. I'd buy the onside kicking ahead of the never punting. I guess for those guru's out there that just want to play offense, it's the perfect solution to use both strategies (not saying that's you---I know you weren't that guy from what I've see you post). It's the equivalent of the basketball coach who only send 4 guys back on defense and leaves one on the offensive end of the court. It's flashy. It'll also get you beat over and over and over. Just like the guy at PC. Football, especially at the high school level, is about field position. Make them go 80, don't give up the long score. |
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Post by larrymoe on Oct 20, 2021 8:29:28 GMT -6
I never did it, but onside kicking in HS football, especially at the smaller schools, isn't nonsense. You're really only giving your opponent 10-15 extra yards once you get down to it. Recover one or two onside a game? That's a huge swing for a HS game. That said, Idk how well that translates to higher levels of competition. Also, again especially at the smaller levels, punting is also pretty worthless unless you have a great punter. Onside kicking on every kickoff is nonsense and not punting is as well, don't care if it's what you did or not. I coached small school football for many, many years. I'd only consider that foolishness if I decided to play no defense whatsoever. There's a time and a place for onside kicks and for not punting....just doing it everytime regardless of situation is a way out of not having to coach kicking, punting and defense. I'd buy the onside kicking ahead of the never punting. I guess for those guru's out there that just want to play offense, it's the perfect solution to use both strategies (not saying that's you---I know you weren't that guy from what I've see you post). It's the equivalent of the basketball coach who only send 4 guys back on defense and leaves one on the offensive end of the court. It's flashy. It'll also get you beat over and over and over. Just like the guy at PC. Football, especially at the high school level, is about field position. Make them go 80, don't give up the long score. I don't know what small school you coached at, but in a 22 year coaching career at schools from 200 kids to 900, I never coached at a school that had a kid who could reach the endzone on a KO more than 2-5 times a season, let alone per game. The average was about the 20ish. Then the return on average would give them the ball on the 30-40. Onside it every time and you're only talking a 10-15 difference in field position. One first down difference makes it a negligible difference. The best KO strategy anyone used against us was to kick it as high as possible to the sideline to force us to either fair catch or they would tackle you almost immediately after you caught it. There was little to no return possible. I don't think you could do it now because of the requirements of how many you can put on one side of the ball. They'd put it on the opposite hash and put 8-9 defenders on the side they were kicking it to. We'd usually get the ball at the 35. |
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Post by newhope on Oct 20, 2021 8:53:56 GMT -6
Onside kicking on every kickoff is nonsense and not punting is as well, don't care if it's what you did or not. I coached small school football for many, many years. I'd only consider that foolishness if I decided to play no defense whatsoever. There's a time and a place for onside kicks and for not punting....just doing it everytime regardless of situation is a way out of not having to coach kicking, punting and defense. I'd buy the onside kicking ahead of the never punting. I guess for those guru's out there that just want to play offense, it's the perfect solution to use both strategies (not saying that's you---I know you weren't that guy from what I've see you post). It's the equivalent of the basketball coach who only send 4 guys back on defense and leaves one on the offensive end of the court. It's flashy. It'll also get you beat over and over and over. Just like the guy at PC. Football, especially at the high school level, is about field position. Make them go 80, don't give up the long score. I don't know what small school you coached at, but in a 22 year coaching career at schools from 200 kids to 900, I never coached at a school that had a kid who could reach the endzone on a KO more than 2-5 times a season, let alone per game. The average was about the 20ish. Then the return on average would give them the ball on the 30-40. Onside it every time and you're only talking a 10-15 difference in field position. One first down difference makes it a negligible difference. The best KO strategy anyone used against us was to kick it as high as possible to the sideline to force us to either fair catch or they would tackle you almost immediately after you caught it. There was little to no return possible. I don't think you could do it now because of the requirements of how many you can put on one side of the ball. They'd put it on the opposite hash and put 8-9 defenders on the side they were kicking it to. We'd usually get the ball at the 35. I've only had 2 who consistently reached the end zone no matter what size school I was at. Most high school teams don't reach the end zone on kickoffs.....it doesn't mean onside every time. We see a lot of pooch kicks like you describe. We've done it ourself. You dont' need more than 6 on one side to execute it. It takes work....as does kicking off and not reaching the end zone does. |
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Post by silkyice on Oct 20, 2021 9:05:25 GMT -6
Most of you know who Mark Ingram is. Won Heisman Trophy at Alabama, had several productive years in The League. His last HS game was against us. He had had two 300-yard plus games (yes 300+ rushing), as I recall had about 1800 yards and over 20 TDs in eight games. We were an average team at best defensively but "held" him to 120 yards and one TD (on their first possession), won 35-7. Part of it was game plan, part of it was just fundamental pursuit and gang-tackling. TBH also helped when we got ahead by two scores in 2nd Half their coach stopped giving him the ball and started throwing most of the time. But we wouldn't have gotten ahead by two scores in 2nd Half if we hadn't been able to corral him before then. Individual tackling ability is secondary to getting butts to the ball. 100% agree |
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Post by silkyice on Oct 20, 2021 9:29:35 GMT -6
I never did it, but onside kicking in HS football, especially at the smaller schools, isn't nonsense. You're really only giving your opponent 10-15 extra yards once you get down to it. Recover one or two onside a game? That's a huge swing for a HS game. Agree for the most part. Bu the other team starting around midfield almost every time is also tough. But if you don't have a good kicker, onside kick is a great strategy. Very much disagree agree. You need a GREAT punter or it is pretty much worthless? Heck, sometimes a great punter hurts you. Out kicks the coverage with a ball they can catch. One of my best punters was actually bad. We called him the "best awful punter" there is. He would just punt it around 25-30 yards and never straight so they rarely caught it and it would roll another 5 - 15. So no returns and net punt of 30-45 yards was awesome. |
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Post by larrymoe on Oct 20, 2021 9:31:04 GMT -6
I don't know what small school you coached at, but in a 22 year coaching career at schools from 200 kids to 900, I never coached at a school that had a kid who could reach the endzone on a KO more than 2-5 times a season, let alone per game. The average was about the 20ish. Then the return on average would give them the ball on the 30-40. Onside it every time and you're only talking a 10-15 difference in field position. One first down difference makes it a negligible difference. The best KO strategy anyone used against us was to kick it as high as possible to the sideline to force us to either fair catch or they would tackle you almost immediately after you caught it. There was little to no return possible. I don't think you could do it now because of the requirements of how many you can put on one side of the ball. They'd put it on the opposite hash and put 8-9 defenders on the side they were kicking it to. We'd usually get the ball at the 35. I've only had 2 who consistently reached the end zone no matter what size school I was at. Most high school teams don't reach the end zone on kickoffs.....it doesn't mean onside every time. We see a lot of pooch kicks like you describe. We've done it ourself. You dont' need more than 6 on one side to execute it. It takes work....as does kicking off and not reaching the end zone does. My point is, is 10-15 yards of field a kick worth a potentially game changing onside recovery? I don't know that it is. And, if your kicker is bad, it makes the investment of time on KO even less of a wise investment. |
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Post by larrymoe on Oct 20, 2021 9:39:23 GMT -6
I never did it, but onside kicking in HS football, especially at the smaller schools, isn't nonsense. You're really only giving your opponent 10-15 extra yards once you get down to it. Recover one or two onside a game? That's a huge swing for a HS game. Agree for the most part. Bu the other team starting around midfield almost every time is also tough. But if you don't have a good kicker, onside kick is a great strategy. Very much disagree agree. You need a GREAT punter or it is pretty much worthless? Heck, sometimes a great punter hurts you. Out kicks the coverage with a ball they can catch. One of my best punters was actually bad. We called him the "best awful punter" there is. He would just punt it around 25-30 yards and never straight so they rarely caught it and it would roll another 5 - 15. So no returns and net punt of 30-45 yards was awesome. Perhaps great is an overstatement. But if you're traditionally punting it 30-45 in the air and they catch it (not catching it is a loss of 16yds a punt on average) they're probably returning it 10-20ish yds unless you have an exceptional punter who can go long and high. That's only about a 10-30 yd net. Again, a first down worth of yardage makes a 4th down attempt not that disadvantageous. Our best punt nets came from our QB punting out of a 5 wide set. That forced the D to cover everyone and they rarely sent anyone back. He could only kick it 20-30 in the air, but there was never a return so the net was outstanding. The year we punted it 7 times our punter was the best I ever had. Averaged 50+ a punt. Kid could've punted at a pretty high level. They were long and they were high. His net wasn't that great because we couldn't cover them real well. If he kicked it 50, our net was only going to be 20ish. Getting a big 4th down conversion better served us in both our kid's mental state and our opponents'. I don't know the percentages, but we had a really high conversion rate because I usually called plays with a 4 down mentality to keep us on schedule. |
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Post by newhope on Oct 20, 2021 9:54:09 GMT -6
I've only had 2 who consistently reached the end zone no matter what size school I was at. Most high school teams don't reach the end zone on kickoffs.....it doesn't mean onside every time. We see a lot of pooch kicks like you describe. We've done it ourself. You dont' need more than 6 on one side to execute it. It takes work....as does kicking off and not reaching the end zone does. My point is, is 10-15 yards of field a kick worth a potentially game changing onside recovery? I don't know that it is. And, if your kicker is bad, it makes the investment of time on KO even less of a wise investment. I understand, and don't disagree that the onside kick is a valuable tool---and some teams could benefit from using it a lot. However, I will stand by my original statement: onside kicking all the time is nonsense. Without a great kicker, I can find a way to have them start farther back. For example: should I onside kick up 40-50 points? only if you want to start a fight. should I onside kick when I take the lead with a minute or less on the clock and risk giving them field position? There's a time and a place. |
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Post by newhope on Oct 20, 2021 9:56:45 GMT -6
I never did it, but onside kicking in HS football, especially at the smaller schools, isn't nonsense. You're really only giving your opponent 10-15 extra yards once you get down to it. Recover one or two onside a game? That's a huge swing for a HS game. Agree for the most part. Bu the other team starting around midfield almost every time is also tough. But if you don't have a good kicker, onside kick is a great strategy. Very much disagree agree. You need a GREAT punter or it is pretty much worthless? Heck, sometimes a great punter hurts you. Out kicks the coverage with a ball they can catch. One of my best punters was actually bad. We called him the "best awful punter" there is. He would just punt it around 25-30 yards and never straight so they rarely caught it and it would roll another 5 - 15. So no returns and net punt of 30-45 yards was awesome. Exactly. We play a lot of teams with adequate punters. We get the ball 30-35 yds from the line of scrimmage. But then there are those teams where the ball is never kicked where it can be caught, it's an awful punt....until it rolls down the field for another 15 yds or so and the field is flipped. |
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Post by larrymoe on Oct 20, 2021 10:00:12 GMT -6
Fair enough.
But, if you're winning by that much, the other side's going to be pissy regardless. Once got called by an opposing HC because I was a dick for running too much trap and wedge.
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Post by mrjvi on Oct 20, 2021 10:05:41 GMT -6
I'm at a small school now. I have nobody who can kick it even to the 20. I have 20 kids at best each week. We squib kick every kick off. I have some very inexperienced players we use on kick off since 4 quarters is a long time for the maybe 14-15 that are always in. They are relatively quick and can cover 15-20 yards fairly well. Not great tacklers, though. If we kicked it deep I guarantee we'd have some go all the way back. They usually get it no further than their 40-45, sometimes further back if it keeps bouncing. Last game we scored 3 times and got 1 onside (squib). Our punter could get fairly long punts but our coverage isn't great. He angles the kicks (we do short punt) with about a 50% of the time a gain of @ 25+ yards with no return. The down side is he shanks it right out of bounds sometimes with only @ a 10-15 yard net.
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Post by larrymoe on Oct 20, 2021 10:09:32 GMT -6
I'm at a small school now. I have nobody who can kick it even to the 20. I have 20 kids at best each week. We squib kick every kick off. I have some very inexperienced players we use on kick off since 4 quarters is a long time for the maybe 14-15 that are always in. They are relatively quick and can cover 15-20 yards fairly well. Not great tacklers, though. If we kicked it deep I guarantee we'd have some go all the way back. They usually get it no further than their 40-45, sometimes further back if it keeps bouncing. Last game we scored 3 times and got 1 onside (squib). Our punter could get fairly long punts but our coverage isn't great. He angles the kicks (we do short punt) with about a 50% of the time a gain of @ 25+ yards with no return. The down side is he shanks it right out of bounds sometimes with only @ a 10-15 yard net. Big fan of the squib. Had a kid who could just rifle the KO about 5 feet off the ground. Usually told him to aim for a front line guy's head. Got a few back because it would hit them in the head and we'd recover it. Otherwise it would usually roll around long enough for us to cover it pretty well. Looking back at this thread and my posts, Idk that I ever conventionally kicked off |
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Post by wolverine55 on Oct 20, 2021 10:14:55 GMT -6
We played against a team whose kicker would balance the ball sideways on an upside down kicking tee and squib it like that. Impossible to cleanly field and the coverage was generally on top of you by the time you did field the ball, so you had no choice but to just go down.
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Post by larrymoe on Oct 20, 2021 10:19:50 GMT -6
We played against a team whose kicker would balance the ball sideways on an upside down kicking tee and squib it like that. Impossible to cleanly field and the coverage was generally on top of you by the time you did field the ball, so you had no choice but to just go down. Throw in the fact most kids go to a knee while fielding thos kinda kicks and it's very effective. |
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Post by wolverine55 on Oct 20, 2021 10:27:23 GMT -6
Good point. We are, by Iowa standards, a bigger school at around 600 students. And even then, we really don't have a kicker so we squib. Even with no one around them, most of the upbacks/middle returners/whatever you want to call them just dive on it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2021 7:33:03 GMT -6
It's nonsense. Never punting is nonsense. Onside kicking every time is nonsense. The guy beat two teams that are 1-10 between them, giving up an average of over 50 a game between them. He's been absolutely crushed in every other game. How he's earned "guru" status is beyond me--other than some in the media will grab on to anything different, especially those in the media who really don't understand the game This guys' scoreboard is lighting up on the opponent's side like a pinball machine---and he hasn't come close to facing a Barry Sanders on his schedule. Campbell lit him up and I will guarantee you they ain't got one Reminds me of a wikipedia a guy who once coached in our league made for himself, only to have it edited to "self described" guru of American football I never did it, but onside kicking in HS football, especially at the smaller schools, isn't nonsense. You're really only giving your opponent 10-15 extra yards once you get down to it. Recover one or two onside a game? That's a huge swing for a HS game. That said, Idk how well that translates to higher levels of competition. Also, again especially at the smaller levels, punting is also pretty worthless unless you have a great punter. At small HS, it can be pretty common to not have a much of a punter or kicker, so onside kicking every time or never punting can be one of those “what else are you going to do?” situations. You’ll often wind up in worse net field position if you’re try to punt or kick deep with teams like that, so the risk:reward ratio is very different. However, when you do have a dude on the roster who can do those things, it’s crazy to never use that guy’s skills when the situation demands it. Kelley’s strategy in HS was largely based on just plain being much more athletic than the opponent, so even when those things didn’t work out, he had the raw talent to bail him out over the course of the game. Now we get to see how this is working with relatively equal or inferior talent and the results aren’t that great. I have to wonder how Kelley’s players and the people around the Presbyterian program are handling the team’s struggles as they stick with these unconventional strategies. You’re a genius when that stuff works, but when it doesn’t, people tend to think differently. |
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Post by silkyice on Oct 21, 2021 8:00:54 GMT -6
Always onside kick is something I can buy into.
NEVER punt? If it is RARELY punt, I can buy into it. But NEVER is a crazy strong word.
There is 15 seconds left and it is 4th and 40 on your own 10 yard line and you are up by 2. You don't punt and you should be fired after the game.
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Post by bulldogsdc on Oct 21, 2021 9:06:31 GMT -6
Always onside kick is something I can buy into. NEVER punt? If it is RARELY punt, I can buy into it. But NEVER is a crazy strong word. There is 10 seconds left and it is 4th and 40 on your own 10 yard line and there is 15 seconds left in the game and you are up by 2. You don't punt and you should be fired after the game. I'd call a fair catch and attempt a free kick! |
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Post by silkyice on Oct 21, 2021 12:01:11 GMT -6
Always onside kick is something I can buy into. NEVER punt? If it is RARELY punt, I can buy into it. But NEVER is a crazy strong word. There is 10 seconds left and it is 4th and 40 on your own 10 yard line and there is 15 seconds left in the game and you are up by 2. You don't punt and you should be fired after the game. I'd call a fair catch and attempt a free kick! Great plan! but what if a kick it out of bounds or rugby kick, etc. Also, the ball is on the 10. If I kick it just 30 yards, the ball is on the 40. You got a guy that can kick a 57 yarder? But that is still besides the point. If I try and convert from the 10 and don't, you get the ball at the 10!! Most everyone (not everyone, but most), have a dude that can convert a 27 yarder. |
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Post by larrymoe on Oct 21, 2021 12:19:24 GMT -6
I'd call a fair catch and attempt a free kick! Great plan! but what if a kick it out of bounds or rugby kick, etc. Also, the ball is on the 10. If I kick it just 30 yards, the ball is on the 40. You got a guy that can kick a 57 yarder? But that is still besides the point. If I try and convert from the 10 and don't, you get the ball at the 10!! Most everyone (not everyone, but most), have a dude that can convert a 27 yarder. We kicked 1 FG in my 22 years of coaching as an assistant and HC... |
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Post by silkyice on Oct 21, 2021 12:20:42 GMT -6
Great plan! but what if a kick it out of bounds or rugby kick, etc. Also, the ball is on the 10. If I kick it just 30 yards, the ball is on the 40. You got a guy that can kick a 57 yarder? But that is still besides the point. If I try and convert from the 10 and don't, you get the ball at the 10!! Most everyone (not everyone, but most), have a dude that can convert a 27 yarder. We kicked 1 FG in my 22 years of coaching as an assistant and HC... Wait wut?  You are joking. |
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Post by blb on Oct 21, 2021 12:26:02 GMT -6
We kicked 1 FG in my 22 years of coaching as an assistant and HC... Are you bragging, or complaining? |
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Post by wolverine55 on Oct 21, 2021 13:24:17 GMT -6
Man, we've had a little bit of everything in my tenure. One year, we had two seniors who had legitimate 45 yard field goal range and a JV kicker who had legitimate 35 yard range. Then, in other years, the PAT was challenging enough.
My high school conference (which no longer exists due to co-opping and consolidations) was dubbed "Farmer Ball at it's finest" because of how small but good some of the schools were. It was a legitimate shock if anyone tried a field goal instead of going for it on 4th down regardless of the distance needed to get that first down.
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