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Post by stomp on Nov 29, 2020 23:35:14 GMT -6
Anyone in here ever got out of coaching and education?
Was it worth it? No?
Chance to make more money vs teaching/coaching.
Thoughts?
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Post by coachlit on Nov 30, 2020 5:19:43 GMT -6
I dream about a higher paying job every pay day
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Post by aceback76 on Nov 30, 2020 6:04:13 GMT -6
Anyone in here ever got out of coaching and education? Was it worth it? No? Chance to make more money vs teaching/coaching. Thoughts? Get out of Education = YES (thank God for our VRS retirement system), & out of coaching = NO (that's why college was easier than HS)! PS: I don't worry too much about money. I found it necessary to marry a rich woman (WITH "looks"), & also lucked into an inheritance from a rich aunt who passed at 102 (God rest her soul)! |
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Post by larrymoe on Nov 30, 2020 7:44:16 GMT -6
Anyone in here ever got out of coaching and education? Was it worth it? No? Chance to make more money vs teaching/coaching. Thoughts? Got out 2 years ago. It has been the greatest move I've ever made. There is no circumstance that would ever bring me back to teaching. Every day it gets less likely I ever coach again either. And I'm more than fine with that. Currently make about $65k (I made 45 my last year of teaching after 20 years in) working about 15 hours a week less than I would have during an average football season week. The cherry on top is my retirement is reciprocal and I have a chance to make more in retirement than I ever could have still working in education without becoming an administrator. |
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Post by ssm on Nov 30, 2020 7:54:02 GMT -6
I've been out a few times only to be drawn back in. Would I miss working in a classroom & move on to a "regular" job? Not really. Would I miss coaching? Absolutely. What I found is that when I was working other jobs, my mind would always wander back into the arena. And to tell the truth, a one period, my first game back, it felt like home. The more I look at it, the less desirable it becomes to stay in a classroom. Would I do it if there were not any other alternatives? Yes. But if I had my druthers, I would coach full-time without the worry of a classroom.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2020 8:33:30 GMT -6
Got out 2 years ago. It has been the greatest move I've ever made. There is no circumstance that would ever bring me back to teaching. Every day it gets less likely I ever coach again either. And I'm more than fine with that. Currently make about $65k (I made 45 my last year of teaching after 20 years in) working about 15 hours a week less than I would have during an average football season week. The cherry on top is my retirement is reciprocal and I have a chance to make more in retirement than I ever could have still working in education without becoming an administrator. Your salary was 45k after 20 years, or your take home pay was 45k at the end of the year? I am in my 5th year teaching and my salary is 49k and then I make around 8k more a year from bonuses such as tutoring and coaching. I know I am never going to be a millionaire, but I don't think the money I make right now only a few years into teaching is that bad. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2020 8:56:37 GMT -6
With coaching supplements I am at 60.
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Post by larrymoe on Nov 30, 2020 8:58:59 GMT -6
Got out 2 years ago. It has been the greatest move I've ever made. There is no circumstance that would ever bring me back to teaching. Every day it gets less likely I ever coach again either. And I'm more than fine with that. Currently make about $65k (I made 45 my last year of teaching after 20 years in) working about 15 hours a week less than I would have during an average football season week. The cherry on top is my retirement is reciprocal and I have a chance to make more in retirement than I ever could have still working in education without becoming an administrator. Your salary was 45k after 20 years, or your take home pay was 45k at the end of the year? I am in my 5th year teaching and my salary is 49k and then I make around 8k more a year from bonuses such as tutoring and coaching. I know I am never going to be a millionaire, but I don't think the money I make right now only a few years into teaching is that bad. Salary. With coaching I might have approached 50. My principal where I spent 7 years never topped 75k. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2020 9:01:25 GMT -6
Your salary was 45k after 20 years, or your take home pay was 45k at the end of the year? I am in my 5th year teaching and my salary is 49k and then I make around 8k more a year from bonuses such as tutoring and coaching. I know I am never going to be a millionaire, but I don't think the money I make right now only a few years into teaching is that bad. Salary. With coaching I might have approached 50. My principal where I spent 7 years never topped 75k. I can definitely see why you would get out then. I would consider that as well in a hurry. |
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Post by nicku on Nov 30, 2020 10:09:00 GMT -6
The only thing that ever tempts me to leave is seeing what my friends in other fields get to do. Not moneywise, but timewise.
Yeah, we get the summer (becoming less of a summer, though, depending on where you coach/teach.) But I can never go up to see K-State games unless things fall the right way on our bye week. Baseball has conflicted with a potential getaway every year. Last couple years it was going to Vegas with my buddies for the opening weekend of NCAA Tournament. I know you can use your days and what not, but it isn't as easy as my spouses work where she can just use her PTO or take her days or whatever without them needing arrangements to fill in for her.
I have 2 or 3 buddies from high school that I still keep in contact with on an almost-daily basis, and they each make over $120K (one of them in NYC so it doesn't stretch as far). I envy them in a way but I also know I am not as smart as they are lol. Plus, I love coaching and sometimes teaching, my spouse makes good money, we don't spend extravagantly, so life is pretty good. Don't think I will ever leave.
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Post by stomp on Nov 30, 2020 10:42:39 GMT -6
Looking at options in education/coaching and have a job offer outside as well. Finance manager at a car dealership.
Starting pay is about what I’m currently making as a teacher and coach. I know that will involve normal work hours and saturdays, but I think it will be way more money for about the same amount of hours put in as a coach.
Things to think of sure.
Has anyone ever gave up being a head coach and joining a really good program as an assistant? That’s on the table too.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2020 10:49:49 GMT -6
The only thing that ever tempts me to leave is seeing what my friends in other fields get to do. Not moneywise, but timewise. Yeah, we get the summer (becoming less of a summer, though, depending on where you coach/teach.) But I can never go up to see K-State games unless things fall the right way on our bye week. Baseball has conflicted with a potential getaway every year. Last couple years it was going to Vegas with my buddies for the opening weekend of NCAA Tournament. I know you can use your days and what not, but it isn't as easy as my spouses work where she can just use her PTO or take her days or whatever without them needing arrangements to fill in for her. I have 2 or 3 buddies from high school that I still keep in contact with on an almost-daily basis, and they each make over $120K (one of them in NYC so it doesn't stretch as far). I envy them in a way but I also know I am not as smart as they are lol. Plus, I love coaching and sometimes teaching, my spouse makes good money, we don't spend extravagantly, so life is pretty good. Don't think I will ever leave. This is how I see it sometimes. I miss the days of watching college football or hanging out with friends all day and what not, but I also have a couple kids now and I enjoy being around them and family. Teaching I get my summers off and a lot of other days off during the school. I still do enjoy a lot of things though and going to places what not, I just maybe don't do it as frequent as the others. I know my friends will make more than me in the long run, maybe not as much as yours do but they will still make more. They all live in cities/suburbs where cost of living is way higher than where I live so it somewhat balances that out. I guess it just depends on the type of lifestyle you want to have. |
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Post by mrjvi on Nov 30, 2020 11:06:07 GMT -6
i'm 61 and have been retired 5 years. My wife is also. Together we make enough $. I will continue to coach as long as I want to which is strong now. Teaching??? Don't miss that a bit. I run the weights 2-3 days per week out of season but if we want to travel for a couple weeks-no problem. My staff can cover. Most of them are younger and are teaching. Fall is busy but not for me until @ noon or so. My hobby farm keeps me happily busy the rest of the time. (the only negative is i'm on my 5th artificial joint but everything else is good. probably couldn't have kept teaching fulltime even if i had wanted to)
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Post by MICoach on Nov 30, 2020 11:38:31 GMT -6
Never thought I would but I've had a family friend casually asking if I'd want to work for them lately. Tough to say no when you realize the max on the salary schedule is still less than you could make in the "private sector" somewhere.
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Post by wolverine55 on Nov 30, 2020 13:03:41 GMT -6
Got out 2 years ago. It has been the greatest move I've ever made. There is no circumstance that would ever bring me back to teaching. Every day it gets less likely I ever coach again either. And I'm more than fine with that. Currently make about $65k (I made 45 my last year of teaching after 20 years in) working about 15 hours a week less than I would have during an average football season week. The cherry on top is my retirement is reciprocal and I have a chance to make more in retirement than I ever could have still working in education without becoming an administrator. Your salary was 45k after 20 years, or your take home pay was 45k at the end of the year? I am in my 5th year teaching and my salary is 49k and then I make around 8k more a year from bonuses such as tutoring and coaching. I know I am never going to be a millionaire, but I don't think the money I make right now only a few years into teaching is that bad. Small school Missouri and Illinois are pretty abysmal in terms of teaching pay. I teach in Iowa in a town located right on the Mississippi River and currently make about $49,000 (without coaching pay) in year 8. If I taught at the school located literally five miles away but across the river in IL, I'm guessing I would be around $40,000 tops. |
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Post by center on Nov 30, 2020 13:44:33 GMT -6
Your salary was 45k after 20 years, or your take home pay was 45k at the end of the year? I am in my 5th year teaching and my salary is 49k and then I make around 8k more a year from bonuses such as tutoring and coaching. I know I am never going to be a millionaire, but I don't think the money I make right now only a few years into teaching is that bad. Salary. With coaching I might have approached 50. My principal where I spent 7 years never topped 75k. Larrymoe and Wolve55. Are those salaries with a masters degree? |
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Post by spartan on Nov 30, 2020 15:09:37 GMT -6
If your thinking of getting out. y ou already out. Take the year to re-evaluate.
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Post by stomp on Nov 30, 2020 15:49:09 GMT -6
If your thinking of getting out. y ou already out. Take the year to re-evaluate. I wouldn’t say I’m already out. Weighing options. Have teaching/coaching opportunities through your state but also some lucrative “private sector” options. Considering all but was looking for feedback from other who have experienced the same. Won’t lie. This Covid stuff has been tough to navigate. |
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Post by fantom on Nov 30, 2020 16:18:44 GMT -6
If your thinking of getting out. y ou already out. Take the year to re-evaluate. I don't think that that's true. It's normal to be worn out at the end of a season. That's why it's usually not a good idea to make a decision too quickly. As for teaching probably everybody in every profession thinks about changing jobs at some point. |
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Post by wolverine55 on Nov 30, 2020 17:11:51 GMT -6
Salary. With coaching I might have approached 50. My principal where I spent 7 years never topped 75k. Larrymoe and Wolve55. Are those salaries with a masters degree? I don't have a full master's but do have enough graduate hours to where I get a bump. "BA +15" is where I slot in. |
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Post by larrymoe on Nov 30, 2020 17:50:06 GMT -6
Salary. With coaching I might have approached 50. My principal where I spent 7 years never topped 75k. Larrymoe and Wolve55. Are those salaries with a masters degree? No. I was BS+8. The +8 only added a few hundred a year. The +8 was my hours to get my Driver's Ed certification. I went to 4 years of college. That was more than enough for me. |
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Post by coachwoodall on Nov 30, 2020 19:20:21 GMT -6
The only thing that ever tempts me to leave is seeing what my friends in other fields get to do. Not moneywise, but timewise. Yeah, we get the summer (becoming less of a summer, though, depending on where you coach/teach.) But I can never go up to see K-State games unless things fall the right way on our bye week. Baseball has conflicted with a potential getaway every year. Last couple years it was going to Vegas with my buddies for the opening weekend of NCAA Tournament. I know you can use your days and what not, but it isn't as easy as my spouses work where she can just use her PTO or take her days or whatever without them needing arrangements to fill in for her. I have 2 or 3 buddies from high school that I still keep in contact with on an almost-daily basis, and they each make over $120K (one of them in NYC so it doesn't stretch as far). I envy them in a way but I also know I am not as smart as they are lol. Plus, I love coaching and sometimes teaching, my spouse makes good money, we don't spend extravagantly, so life is pretty good. Don't think I will ever leave. This is how I see it sometimes. I miss the days of watching college football or hanging out with friends all day and what not, but I also have a couple kids now and I enjoy being around them and family. Teaching I get my summers off and a lot of other days off during the school. I still do enjoy a lot of things though and going to places what not, I just maybe don't do it as frequent as the others. I know my friends will make more than me in the long run, maybe not as much as yours do but they will still make more. They all live in cities/suburbs where cost of living is way higher than where I live so it somewhat balances that out. I guess it just depends on the type of lifestyle you want to have. Not create to a rabbit hole, but y'all don't get enough time in the middle of the season to go see a SINGLE game with your college buddies?  ?? I've worked at some really high pressure coaching positions and I've ALWAYS had at least 1 weekend a month where I could say, "Guys I'm going to go relive my most epic college weekend.... I'll see you on Sunday afternoon and don't talk too loud when I get there....." and it wasn't a problem with the work side. In fact I took WAY less of those type weekends than I could have because I didn't feel like that was fair to my family to be off and away on the only day off each week I had. And I had Saturdays off EVERY WEEK. If your coaching demands are such that you can't get away to relive the glory days, go apple picking with your kids, go hang out in a deer stand all weekend every once in while during the season, then I don't think it's the problem of feeling of a need to get out of coaching; the problem is the JOB. |
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Post by coachwoodall on Nov 30, 2020 20:12:02 GMT -6
Ruminating more on this.... it might be a 'nature of the game' type thing. Here's little story that might fall into this:
I worked in a small rural mill town on the opposite of the county where I grew up. It was one of my high school's rivals. In my 'hay day'... it was a bustling mill town with 3 mills. When I taught there there was only 1 mill... barely. It was the kind of place where literally the town closed down on football Friday nights; local pizza place used a police scanner to listen in on our coaches head sets, the mill paid to pour concrete for some extra home side stands, the third weekend every May there was a TOWN wide yard sale that basically shut down main street which was a major state highway, weekly work checks were bet on our games, point spreads and all... you know the place.
We caught WAY more hades than we ever should have considering where our program stood in the context of our level of football; we were good, but not great. We got almost assaulted at halftime of one game we were leading 56-0 and was up 35-0 two minutes into the game and had only ran 10 offensive plays: all because we took a knee to end the 1sr half inside the 10 yard line. They didn't realize or care we were playing a BAD football team, they wanted us to set some kind of scoring record.
A coach I worked with at this HS and I had grown up with summed it up with, "Imagine how those dumb MF'ers would be if we showed up one day at the mill and started yelling at them to, 'PULL THAT YARN FASTER!, GET THAT LOOM RUNNING!, WHY CAN'T YOU TIE OFF THAT STRING BETTER!?!?'..... they would start a riot or straight up cut somebody"
Point being; not many jobs have the SPECTATOR pressure that coaching and teaching have.
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Post by Yash on Nov 30, 2020 20:32:42 GMT -6
If next year is anything like this past year I will be out for sure. So glad we got a season this year, but damn it took years off my life.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2020 20:47:19 GMT -6
This is how I see it sometimes. I miss the days of watching college football or hanging out with friends all day and what not, but I also have a couple kids now and I enjoy being around them and family. Teaching I get my summers off and a lot of other days off during the school. I still do enjoy a lot of things though and going to places what not, I just maybe don't do it as frequent as the others. I know my friends will make more than me in the long run, maybe not as much as yours do but they will still make more. They all live in cities/suburbs where cost of living is way higher than where I live so it somewhat balances that out. I guess it just depends on the type of lifestyle you want to have. Not create to a rabbit hole, but y'all don't get enough time in the middle of the season to go see a SINGLE game with your college buddies? ?? I've worked at some really high pressure coaching positions and I've ALWAYS had at least 1 weekend a month where I could say, "Guys I'm going to go relive my most epic college weekend.... I'll see you on Sunday afternoon and don't talk too loud when I get there....." and it wasn't a problem with the work side. In fact I took WAY less of those type weekends than I could have because I didn't feel like that was fair to my family to be off and away on the only day off each week I had. And I had Saturdays off EVERY WEEK. If your coaching demands are such that you can't get away to relive the glory days, go apple picking with your kids, go hang out in a deer stand all weekend every once in while during the season, then I don't think it's the problem of feeling of a need to get out of coaching; the problem is the JOB. It isn't so much that I can't do that stuff. When you have a family though and it is during football season is makes it more tough. Especially when you have JV games on Saturday's. I enjoy my time all throughout the year though, and as I said it isn't that I can't do it. I just may not be able to do it as much as others and I am fine with that. Even with the type of school year everyone has had, I cant complain. |
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Post by fantom on Nov 30, 2020 20:56:50 GMT -6
Ruminating more on this.... it might be a 'nature of the game' type thing. Here's little story that might fall into this: I worked in a small rural mill town on the opposite of the county where I grew up. It was one of my high school's rivals. In my 'hay day'... it was a bustling mill town with 3 mills. When I taught there there was only 1 mill... barely. It was the kind of place where literally the town closed down on football Friday nights; local pizza place used a police scanner to listen in on our coaches head sets, the mill paid to pour concrete for some extra home side stands, the third weekend every May there was a TOWN wide yard sale that basically shut down main street which was a major state highway, weekly work checks were bet on our games, point spreads and all... you know the place. We caught WAY more hades than we ever should have considering where our program stood in the context of our level of football; we were good, but not great. We got almost assaulted at halftime of one game we were leading 56-0 and was up 35-0 two minutes into the game and had only ran 10 offensive plays: all because we took a knee to end the 1sr half inside the 10 yard line. They didn't realize or care we were playing a BAD football team, they wanted us to set some kind of scoring record. A coach I worked with at this HS and I had grown up with summed it up with, "Imagine how those dumb MF'ers would be if we showed up one day at the mill and started yelling at them to, 'PULL THAT YARN FASTER!, GET THAT LOOM RUNNING!, WHY CAN'T YOU TIE OFF THAT STRING BETTER!?!?'..... they would start a riot or straight up cut somebody" Point being; not many jobs have the SPECTATOR pressure that coaching and teaching have. Used to love the commercial where Favre said, "I woulda double-bagged it". |
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Post by bleefb on Dec 1, 2020 0:57:02 GMT -6
"A coach I worked with at this HS and I had grown up with summed it up with, "Imagine how those dumb MF'ers would be if we showed up one day at the mill and started yelling at them to, 'PULL THAT YARN FASTER!, GET THAT LOOM RUNNING!, WHY CAN'T YOU TIE OFF THAT STRING BETTER!?!?'..... they would start a riot or straight up cut somebody" Man, there's not one of us on here who hasn't wanted to do that at least once.  |
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Post by moose18 on Dec 1, 2020 7:06:40 GMT -6
I got out. I got back in. I'm not leaving. Grass isn't greener
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Post by coachwoodall on Dec 1, 2020 8:27:26 GMT -6
Not create to a rabbit hole, but y'all don't get enough time in the middle of the season to go see a SINGLE game with your college buddies? ?? I've worked at some really high pressure coaching positions and I've ALWAYS had at least 1 weekend a month where I could say, "Guys I'm going to go relive my most epic college weekend.... I'll see you on Sunday afternoon and don't talk too loud when I get there....." and it wasn't a problem with the work side. In fact I took WAY less of those type weekends than I could have because I didn't feel like that was fair to my family to be off and away on the only day off each week I had. And I had Saturdays off EVERY WEEK. If your coaching demands are such that you can't get away to relive the glory days, go apple picking with your kids, go hang out in a deer stand all weekend every once in while during the season, then I don't think it's the problem of feeling of a need to get out of coaching; the problem is the JOB. It isn't so much that I can't do that stuff. When you have a family though and it is during football season is makes it more tough. Especially when you have JV games on Saturday's. I enjoy my time all throughout the year though, and as I said it isn't that I can't do it. I just may not be able to do it as much as others and I am fine with that. Even with the type of school year everyone has had, I cant complain. ahhhh, JV games on Saturday. Forgot some of y'all do that. THAT makes a huge difference. Y'all meet on Sunday too?? |
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Post by nicku on Dec 1, 2020 9:20:29 GMT -6
This is how I see it sometimes. I miss the days of watching college football or hanging out with friends all day and what not, but I also have a couple kids now and I enjoy being around them and family. Teaching I get my summers off and a lot of other days off during the school. I still do enjoy a lot of things though and going to places what not, I just maybe don't do it as frequent as the others. I know my friends will make more than me in the long run, maybe not as much as yours do but they will still make more. They all live in cities/suburbs where cost of living is way higher than where I live so it somewhat balances that out. I guess it just depends on the type of lifestyle you want to have. Not create to a rabbit hole, but y'all don't get enough time in the middle of the season to go see a SINGLE game with your college buddies? ?? I've worked at some really high pressure coaching positions and I've ALWAYS had at least 1 weekend a month where I could say, "Guys I'm going to go relive my most epic college weekend.... I'll see you on Sunday afternoon and don't talk too loud when I get there....." and it wasn't a problem with the work side. In fact I took WAY less of those type weekends than I could have because I didn't feel like that was fair to my family to be off and away on the only day off each week I had. And I had Saturdays off EVERY WEEK. If your coaching demands are such that you can't get away to relive the glory days, go apple picking with your kids, go hang out in a deer stand all weekend every once in while during the season, then I don't think it's the problem of feeling of a need to get out of coaching; the problem is the JOB. I can almost always sneak away when K-State comes down here and plays TCU or Baylor, maybe even down to UT if I'm lucky. Where I am now, I can really go do anything on a Saturday within reason. Very much a relaxed atmosphere compared to my last school. What's gonna jam me up this year is the State semifinal being moved back to January due to the season being delayed...I didn't realize that was going to happen when we planned our wedding for the same weekend! They should be able to handle things without me! (we have a good shot to get that far) |
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