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Post by jgordon1 on Dec 1, 2020 9:24:19 GMT -6
I find that teaching districts pay just enough for you to barely make it...We get paid very well here I am at 20 years and make 90+. That sounds like a lot until you see that a shack is basically 300,000. My wife and I are fine because we bought 20 years ago. You definitely need two incomes to get by. I use my stipend for XMas and maybe a vacation. Here's my deal with teaching. I keep my head down and do my job. I NEVER get bothered. All the admin stuff is BS..do it anyway..I can count on the # of complaints with one hand that i have had. I teach a subject I like and and I would learn about in my free time..Business and computers..Kids sign up for my classes so I recruit them too
Notes: as far as money..no matter where you go people will complain. I got out of hs and worked at a power 5 school in recruiting..these guys making big bucks they whined on about a daily basis about this or that. They whined about other things too..It pissed me off as I was expecting motivated dudes..Nope People are people... Money, they would just open up USA Today and find someone else making more and then feel bad too I took a year off and really enjoyed it..thinking about doing it again too..then retiring and maybe travel to europe and coach
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Post by bigmoot2 on Dec 1, 2020 9:26:53 GMT -6
Not create to a rabbit hole, but y'all don't get enough time in the middle of the season to go see a SINGLE game with your college buddies? ?? I've worked at some really high pressure coaching positions and I've ALWAYS had at least 1 weekend a month where I could say, "Guys I'm going to go relive my most epic college weekend.... I'll see you on Sunday afternoon and don't talk too loud when I get there....." and it wasn't a problem with the work side. In fact I took WAY less of those type weekends than I could have because I didn't feel like that was fair to my family to be off and away on the only day off each week I had. And I had Saturdays off EVERY WEEK. If your coaching demands are such that you can't get away to relive the glory days, go apple picking with your kids, go hang out in a deer stand all weekend every once in while during the season, then I don't think it's the problem of feeling of a need to get out of coaching; the problem is the JOB. I can almost always sneak away when K-State comes down here and plays TCU or Baylor, maybe even down to UT if I'm lucky. Where I am now, I can really go do anything on a Saturday within reason. Very much a relaxed atmosphere compared to my last school. What's gonna jam me up this year is the State semifinal being moved back to January due to the season being delayed...I didn't realize that was going to happen when we planned our wedding for the same weekend! They should be able to handle things without me! (we have a good shot to get that far) You obviously mean the wedding...
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Post by nicku on Dec 1, 2020 9:28:07 GMT -6
I can almost always sneak away when K-State comes down here and plays TCU or Baylor, maybe even down to UT if I'm lucky. Where I am now, I can really go do anything on a Saturday within reason. Very much a relaxed atmosphere compared to my last school. What's gonna jam me up this year is the State semifinal being moved back to January due to the season being delayed...I didn't realize that was going to happen when we planned our wedding for the same weekend! They should be able to handle things without me! (we have a good shot to get that far) You obviously mean the wedding... If I play my cards right I can convince the HC to flip for a Friday and maybe move the rehearsal dinner to a rehearsal lunch, lol.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2020 9:36:37 GMT -6
It isn't so much that I can't do that stuff. When you have a family though and it is during football season is makes it more tough. Especially when you have JV games on Saturday's. I enjoy my time all throughout the year though, and as I said it isn't that I can't do it. I just may not be able to do it as much as others and I am fine with that. Even with the type of school year everyone has had, I cant complain. ahhhh, JV games on Saturday. Forgot some of y'all do that. THAT makes a huge difference. Y'all meet on Sunday too?? We will meet for a little on Sunday Evening
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Post by coachcb on Dec 1, 2020 9:41:02 GMT -6
I find that teaching districts pay just enough for you to barely make it...We get paid very well here I am at 20 years and make 90+. That sounds like a lot until you see that a shack is basically 300,000. My wife and I are fine because we bought 20 years ago. You definitely need two incomes to get by. I use my stipend for XMas and maybe a vacation. Here's my deal with teaching. I keep my head down and do my job. I NEVER get bothered. All the admin stuff is BS..do it anyway..I can count on the # of complaints with one hand that i have had. I teach a subject I like and and I would learn about in my free time..Business and computers..Kids sign up for my classes so I recruit them too
Absolutely... When someone asks about me in teaching circles they either have something positive to say or they don't know me at all. I fly under the radar, focus on doing my job and everything else falls by the wayside. The bosses want something done, I do it. They want me to change something, I do it. Every administrator I've worked for knows this about me and they leave me alone because of it.
I have seen many teachers pile a ton of stress on themselves because they won't stay in their lane and/or they try to buck the administration. Of course they're going to get burned out when they're dealing with managing their classroom, teaching and then handling all of the other bullchit drama they've caused.
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Post by coachcb on Dec 1, 2020 9:59:27 GMT -6
To expand upon my previous post:
I was a union president for a few years at a school. In that time, five non-tenured teachers were canned and I had to deal with each one of them. Two of them needed to go; they were awful at their jobs and stirred up all kinds of trouble.
The other three, not so much. They were decent at their jobs but they absolutely could not keep their noses out of trouble. They fought with staff members, the administration and parents continually. I warned them repeatedly to knock it off but that just added fuel to the fire. At the end of the day, the administration and school board were sick of the problems they caused and terminated them.
They all knew their heads were on the chopping block but they refused to resign. They weren't tenured so it was one simple vote and they were gone. Two of the three aren't teaching anymore; they had a hard time finding jobs with a termination on their record.
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Post by larrymoe on Dec 1, 2020 18:32:07 GMT -6
I got tired of having to perform every day. And, honestly, I got tired of interacting with teenagers.
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Post by jgordon1 on Dec 1, 2020 18:52:51 GMT -6
I find that teaching districts pay just enough for you to barely make it...We get paid very well here I am at 20 years and make 90+. That sounds like a lot until you see that a shack is basically 300,000. My wife and I are fine because we bought 20 years ago. You definitely need two incomes to get by. I use my stipend for XMas and maybe a vacation. Here's my deal with teaching. I keep my head down and do my job. I NEVER get bothered. All the admin stuff is BS..do it anyway..I can count on the # of complaints with one hand that i have had. I teach a subject I like and and I would learn about in my free time..Business and computers..Kids sign up for my classes so I recruit them too
Absolutely... When someone asks about me in teaching circles they either have something positive to say or they don't know me at all. I fly under the radar, focus on doing my job and everything else falls by the wayside. The bosses want something done, I do it. They want me to change something, I do it. Every administrator I've worked for knows this about me and they leave me alone because of it.
I have seen many teachers pile a ton of stress on themselves because they won't stay in their lane and/or they try to buck the administration. Of course they're going to get burned out when they're dealing with managing their classroom, teaching and then handling all of the other bullchit drama they've caused.
One thing I notice is that teachers get so worked up about their "program" Its like they have nothing else in their life and have to fight, fight, fight to protect it like the things would actually change if they left. Selfish one way people..just like in real life
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Post by CanyonCoach on Dec 1, 2020 19:37:20 GMT -6
Year 9 of HC and can’t imagine not coaching. I have a tremendous staff and most importantly an outstanding strength coach.
Teaching last spring was not great- all on-line. This fall has been better but not what I enjoy. Hybrid BS with a flipped schedule.
Have contemplated moving to admin. Position but would have to leave the district. I get paid well, over 80k with coaching and the extras. Kids are 12,10,8th grade and wife loves her job so basically we stay until we are completely debt-free and then evaluate what retirement would look like. That should happen in the next 4-5 years.
Life is good but it is fun to hear what everyone else is thinking based on their situation. Best of luck!
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Post by bleefb on Dec 2, 2020 20:15:17 GMT -6
I find that teaching districts pay just enough for you to barely make it...We get paid very well here I am at 20 years and make 90+. That sounds like a lot until you see that a shack is basically 300,000. My wife and I are fine because we bought 20 years ago. You definitely need two incomes to get by. I use my stipend for XMas and maybe a vacation. Here's my deal with teaching. I keep my head down and do my job. I NEVER get bothered. All the admin stuff is BS..do it anyway..I can count on the # of complaints with one hand that i have had. I teach a subject I like and and I would learn about in my free time..Business and computers..Kids sign up for my classes so I recruit them too Many years ago, my Dept Head (and my former coach) told me that most Administrators definition of a good teacher is someone who never sends kids to the office. I don't know if I was subconsciously following his advice, but in over 30 years of teaching I can count on one hand (OK, maybe two hands) the number of times I sent a kid to the VP. My Dept Head may have been right, I never got a bad evaluation. Of course, maybe I was just THAT good!
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Post by coachcb on Dec 3, 2020 15:44:40 GMT -6
I find that teaching districts pay just enough for you to barely make it...We get paid very well here I am at 20 years and make 90+. That sounds like a lot until you see that a shack is basically 300,000. My wife and I are fine because we bought 20 years ago. You definitely need two incomes to get by. I use my stipend for XMas and maybe a vacation. Here's my deal with teaching. I keep my head down and do my job. I NEVER get bothered. All the admin stuff is BS..do it anyway..I can count on the # of complaints with one hand that i have had. I teach a subject I like and and I would learn about in my free time..Business and computers..Kids sign up for my classes so I recruit them too Many years ago, my Dept Head (and my former coach) told me that most Administrators definition of a good teacher is someone who never sends kids to the office. I don't know if I was subconsciously following his advice, but in over 30 years of teaching I can count on one hand (OK, maybe two hands) the number of times I sent a kid to the VP. My Dept Head may have been right, I never got a bad evaluation. Of course, maybe I was just THAT good!
I'm one of two teachers in the building that handles the majority of discipline issues on my own. We don't ship the kids out of the room unless they're seriously out of line; we give the kids detention before/after school or during lunch. It goes a long way towards keeping the bosses happy and it also sets the proper tone in the classroom; "They're Mr. Coachcb's rules and he holds us accountable, not Mr. Administrator." They have more respect for me and my classroom because I don't pawn them off on the administration.
I still write the kids up via Infinite Campus when I give them detention so there's a running record but it takes a lot for me to boot a kid. And, to be honest, they'd rather get kicked out than have detention with me. They sit in my room for a half hour and either do homework or they stare at the wall.
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Post by Footballguy on Dec 3, 2020 18:08:28 GMT -6
Year eight of teaching and I make 75 grand, with coaching and summer school I will make closer to 90 grand. I live in rural northern California where the cost of living is getting higher, but nowhere near what people in the bay area or anywhere else south of have to pay.
I was looking at homes in Missouri, and was showing my wife ( she as teaches) what we could buy if we sold our place and were to move. Were not looking to move, but I just like look at what real estate cost in different parts of the country. I can't believe what some states pay teachers.
There are a lot of perks to our job, but we all have to deal with BS at times. Like many other coaches have said, I show up to class to teach, attend IEP's, and turn my grades in on time and I don't have to deal with admin.
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Post by coachsteiny on Dec 3, 2020 18:59:21 GMT -6
Usually fantasize about getting out of teaching. However the coaching part keeps me going! I have decided I will hang it up in about 15 years (haha). I have friends that have hung it up and have said although there's things they miss they would never go back. They liken our profession to having Stockholm Syndrome.
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Post by larrymoe on Dec 4, 2020 7:35:02 GMT -6
They liken our profession to having Stockholm Syndrome. I would say that's a decent assessment. With a little messiah complex thrown in with the idea you're actually doing some good.
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Post by IronmanFootball on Dec 4, 2020 9:40:24 GMT -6
My wife and I make the same money. I have 6 years on her, same education level. Her COVID bonus was just x10 mine (glad I got one, but still). She works from home every day. She sets her own hours. She can take off whenever she likes. She can drink a glass of wine and work on TPS reports at noon.
Most importantly- she can not only go to the bathroom whenever she feels, but has home bowl advantage.
I'm in the wrong field.
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Post by Defcord on Dec 4, 2020 9:46:14 GMT -6
My wife and I make the same money. I have 6 years on her, same education level. Her COVID bonus was just x10 mine (glad I got one, but still). She works from home every day. She sets her own hours. She can take off whenever she likes. She can drink a glass of wine and work on TPS reports at noon. Most importantly- she can not only go to the bathroom whenever she feels, but has home bowl advantage. I'm in the wrong field. Not to completely side track this thing...But how many coaches/teachers on here get holiday bonuses? I have worked in 4 different districts and only one of them has given a holiday bonus.
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Post by wolverine55 on Dec 4, 2020 9:52:15 GMT -6
Counting sub and part-time experience, I've worked for 9 or 10 districts and none of them to my knowledge gave holiday bonuses.
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Post by Footballguy on Dec 4, 2020 10:03:49 GMT -6
I've worked in three in I have never received a bonus. A district near us gave each of their certified employees a 5 grand bonus this fall.
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Post by dbeck84 on Dec 4, 2020 11:56:25 GMT -6
My wife and I make the same money. I have 6 years on her, same education level. Her COVID bonus was just x10 mine (glad I got one, but still). She works from home every day. She sets her own hours. She can take off whenever she likes. She can drink a glass of wine and work on TPS reports at noon. Most importantly- she can not only go to the bathroom whenever she feels, but has home bowl advantage. I'm in the wrong field. Not to completely side track this thing...But how many coaches/teachers on here get holiday bonuses? I have worked in 4 different districts and only one of them has given a holiday bonus. My previous district gave every teacher a turkey which later became just a gift certificate to the local grocery store. Nothing at my current job.
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Post by Defcord on Dec 4, 2020 12:06:05 GMT -6
Not to completely side track this thing...But how many coaches/teachers on here get holiday bonuses? I have worked in 4 different districts and only one of them has given a holiday bonus. My previous district gave every teacher a turkey which later became just a gift certificate to the local grocery store. Nothing at my current job. Oh I forgot one district gave us publix give cards for $25. That was pretty sweet because there was a publix liquor store.
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Post by Defcord on Dec 4, 2020 12:11:07 GMT -6
I've worked in three in I have never received a bounce. A district near us gave each of their certified employees a 5 grand bonus this fall. That would be sweet!
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Post by gccwolverine on Dec 4, 2020 14:26:57 GMT -6
My wife and I make the same money. I have 6 years on her, same education level. Her COVID bonus was just x10 mine (glad I got one, but still). She works from home every day. She sets her own hours. She can take off whenever she likes. She can drink a glass of wine and work on TPS reports at noon. Most importantly- she can not only go to the bathroom whenever she feels, but has home bowl advantage. I'm in the wrong field. Not to completely side track this thing...But how many coaches/teachers on here get holiday bonuses? I have worked in 4 different districts and only one of them has given a holiday bonus. I've spent 7 years total in 2 different districts in 2 different states over the last 9 years (spent 2 in there as a GA) I've been fortunate to have a bonus 6/7 years. This is year 8 and I think they just called a meeting after school to give us our bonus which would be a surprise this year we all figured there was no way they'd give us one this year, and that would make it 7/8. They've ranged from $300 to $1,000 each time.
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Post by fantom on Dec 4, 2020 15:10:56 GMT -6
My wife and I make the same money. I have 6 years on her, same education level. Her COVID bonus was just x10 mine (glad I got one, but still). She works from home every day. She sets her own hours. She can take off whenever she likes. She can drink a glass of wine and work on TPS reports at noon. Most importantly- she can not only go to the bathroom whenever she feels, but has home bowl advantage. I'm in the wrong field. Not to completely side track this thing...But how many coaches/teachers on here get holiday bonuses? I have worked in 4 different districts and only one of them has given a holiday bonus. Teaching in public schools it never occurred to me that I might get a bonus. Do other public servants- firefighters, sanitation workers, etc- get a bonus?
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Post by wolverine55 on Dec 4, 2020 15:20:02 GMT -6
Not to completely side track this thing...But how many coaches/teachers on here get holiday bonuses? I have worked in 4 different districts and only one of them has given a holiday bonus. Teaching in public schools it never occurred to me that I might get a bonus. Do other public servants- firefighters, sanitation workers, etc- get a bonus? Don't get me wrong, I would not turn down free money...but the concept seems a bit odd to me, honestly.
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Post by blb on Dec 4, 2020 15:20:03 GMT -6
Not only did I never get a "bonus" for teaching I never got more money for the years we made the playoffs and worked-coached more because of our success!
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Post by cfoott on Dec 4, 2020 16:05:44 GMT -6
My wife and I make the same money. I have 6 years on her, same education level. Her COVID bonus was just x10 mine (glad I got one, but still). She works from home every day. She sets her own hours. She can take off whenever she likes. She can drink a glass of wine and work on TPS reports at noon. Most importantly- she can not only go to the bathroom whenever she feels, but has home bowl advantage. I'm in the wrong field. Not to completely side track this thing...But how many coaches/teachers on here get holiday bonuses? I have worked in 4 different districts and only one of them has given a holiday bonus. About 5 years back we got our stipend at the end of the season. We made playoffs and won the first playoff game in school history and got second check after that. Thinking back on it now, I dont think it was a bonus. I just think the didnt expect us to make playoff, let alone win, so they were initially paying us for 10 games. I think they had to pay us for the extended season. Still not sure.
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Post by mrjvi on Dec 4, 2020 17:33:21 GMT -6
I feel longevity and post season pay are necessary to get most coaches to do their best. At my present (small) school there is no post season or longevity. Hard to get good coaches and some (PE) even coach the sport that get's done earliest. I'm retired and love coaching and am doing OK success-wise so I guess they are getting motivated me just because I am. Bonuses? Never heard of it from anyone in upstate, NY. My old school did give post season and when we got to states it was a pretty penny-almost double of the normal season. I needed it then.
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Post by larrymoe on Dec 4, 2020 18:57:28 GMT -6
Not only did I never get a "bonus" for teaching I never got more money for the years we made the playoffs and worked-coached more because of our success! I always made sure my staff got free playoff gear along with some other free stuff. That was our playoff "bonus". The school made out like a bandit off our success though.
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Post by 44dlcoach on Dec 4, 2020 20:12:26 GMT -6
We never got paid a penny more for playoff games. And all playoff gate goes to our state athletic association so maybe the school didn't do much better based on that success either, I don't really know.
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Post by bleefb on Dec 5, 2020 1:34:34 GMT -6
Never got any kind of bonus in 33 years of teaching but never expected one. I don't think it's done around here in public school (Northern California) We also never got any kind of extra pay for the play-offs. We went to the playoffs a lot so I figure I coached a few years for free. Our stipends also didn't go up for almost twenty years in spite of inflation so I definitely didn't coach for the money. State Association takes all of the gate money now so the schools don't get anything either. When I first started coaching, the schools got a small percentage of the gate but those days are gone.
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