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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2020 18:09:44 GMT -6
Follow the money Cliche is really more true than I would have ever imagined.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 15, 2020 18:54:19 GMT -6
Again, is that "passing the buck" or is that saying "Hey, we organization and oversee athletic events and championships, you guys are the health experts so we will defer to your judgement as to whether the activities we oversee are safe at this time?" Isn't that the same as a coach deferring to an athletic trainer or doctor with regards to an athlete being cleared/able to play? I haven't seen to many posts here with a HC thumping his chest and saying "The buck stops here, I say he is good to go!" It's neither. It's "we don't want to get sued if it goes bad, but we really want it to happen so we can continue to make $$$". Sounds like exactly the same thing as a HC and an athletic trainer/doctor regarding an injured player |
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Post by wingtol on Jul 15, 2020 19:15:12 GMT -6
But I am sure the governor could through the Dep of Ed shut down extracurricular activities if they wanted to. I am convinced that is what Ohio is doing, throwing it in the lap of the governor so they an throw can throw their hands up and say "WE DIDN'T DO IT" same thing happened here in PA, Secretary of Ed made a statement saying it was up to the individual school district if they would shut down way back in March. Like 3 hours later governor shut em all down. No one wants to be the persona with the proverbial blood on their hands. Again our association has nothing to do with state government and that includes Department of Education. It is a private, not-for-profit corporation that does not use government funds or tax dollars. Only way the governor could stop athletics and probably other extracurriculars would be by closing schools as was done in March. Or as our governor has done limit the number of people at events. They just went and released new guidelines for bars and restaurants today knocking them back to 25% capacity and limiting gathering inside to 25 people and 250 people outside. Our governor in PA has been setting mandate after mandate if the state government doesn't want something to happen it won't. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2020 19:39:02 GMT -6
It's neither. It's "we don't want to get sued if it goes bad, but we really want it to happen so we can continue to make $$$". Sounds like exactly the same thing as a HC and an athletic trainer/doctor regarding an injured player Or raising taxes while the city turns into a city, state, country turns into a {censored} hole...wonder where all those tax dollars went. |
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Post by planck on Jul 15, 2020 19:42:29 GMT -6
Probably paying settlements to the families of people the cops murdered.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2020 19:44:20 GMT -6
Probably paying settlements to the families of people the cops murdered. Doubt it. The world is more deviant than that. Even it were true, its .oooo... of what tax dollars are. |
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Post by larrymoe on Jul 15, 2020 20:20:08 GMT -6
It's neither. It's "we don't want to get sued if it goes bad, but we really want it to happen so we can continue to make $$$". Sounds like exactly the same thing as a HC and an athletic trainer/doctor regarding an injured player Did I ever say I liked that? |
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Post by larrymoe on Jul 15, 2020 20:20:49 GMT -6
Probably paying settlements to the families of people the cops murdered. Aaaaaaand there's our political turn. |
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Post by planck on Jul 16, 2020 7:43:27 GMT -6
You know what? I regret saying that. I've been having a hell of a bad week, and being an {censored} on the internet isn't going to solve anything. I'm sorry I said that and I'm sorry if I offended anybody.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 16, 2020 8:40:29 GMT -6
Sounds like exactly the same thing as a HC and an athletic trainer/doctor regarding an injured player Did I ever say I liked that? Liked what? I am saying that the state athletic associations deferring to other agencies as to whether participating in athletics is appropriate at this time is similar to HC deferring to athletic trainer/doctors regarding an injured player. That seems to be the way things go. |
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Post by larrymoe on Jul 16, 2020 8:53:24 GMT -6
Did I ever say I liked that? Liked what? I am saying that the state athletic associations deferring to other agencies as to whether participating in athletics is appropriate at this time is similar to HC deferring to athletic trainer/doctors regarding an injured player. That seems to be the way things go. That's what people do not like. The way things go. Some people are just fine with the way things go. Others are not. That is the issue here. Just because that's the way it is, doesn't mean we have to like or accept it. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 16, 2020 9:39:38 GMT -6
Liked what? I am saying that the state athletic associations deferring to other agencies as to whether participating in athletics is appropriate at this time is similar to HC deferring to athletic trainer/doctors regarding an injured player. That seems to be the way things go. That's what people do not like. The way things go. Some people are just fine with the way things go. Others are not. That is the issue here. Just because that's the way it is, doesn't mean we have to like or accept it. I don't follow. So you are saying you don't think that the football coach should defer an injured players clearance to medical staff? |
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Post by fadepattern on Jul 28, 2020 17:47:05 GMT -6
Tennessee just got the go ahead to start on time from the Governor. 1st games will be August 21st and the hope is to play a full slate of games. TSSAA covid-19 guidelines will be in effect. The only question now is will some school districts still not give the go ahead to start.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2020 18:46:38 GMT -6
The governor providing an exemption to his emergency order to allow HS football while cases rise dramatically and pretty much every school system in my area is either starting the year online or postponing the start of school just seems like a bad idea, to be honest. The Florida Marlins and Nashville SC situations should be cautionary tales. I don’t see this ending well.
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Post by utchuckd on Jul 31, 2020 17:19:08 GMT -6
3 weeks til kickoff!!!
We are literally making gladiators of 16 year old boys.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 31, 2020 17:23:42 GMT -6
3 weeks til kickoff!!! We are literally making gladiators of 16 year old boys. I would be surprised if there were any repercussions enforced (by the association) if a school decided to not play. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2020 7:31:48 GMT -6
3 weeks til kickoff!!! We are literally making gladiators of 16 year old boys. I would be surprised if there were any repercussions enforced (by the association) if a school decided to not play. As money hungry as our state association is, I was surprised that they agreed to a contingency plan allowing for an 8 game season with the playoffs cut in half. In the past, anything that could potentially reduce their playoff gate money was a non-starter. They even threatened to suspend a school near me from the postseason in all sports for 2 years after a bunch of players (on a 1-9 team) quit and they had to forfeit a 1st round game a couple of years ago due to a lack of players. With Covid-19 a reality, many school districts starting the year online, and teams already struggling with numbers, there will be schools who simply won’t have the numbers to play this year and a lot of forfeits/cancellations throughout the season. I just don’t see how you can justify trying to practice and play football when it’s too risky to have kids in a classroom . Oddly enough, some schools that are playing football are shutting down their marching bands this season due to social distancing concerns... |
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Post by coachd5085 on Aug 1, 2020 8:28:49 GMT -6
I would be surprised if there were any repercussions enforced (by the association) if a school decided to not play. As money hungry as our state association is, I was surprised that they agreed to a contingency plan allowing for an 8 game season with the playoffs cut in half. In the past, anything that could potentially reduce their playoff gate money was a non-starter. They even threatened to suspend a school near me from the postseason in all sports for 2 years after a bunch of players (on a 1-9 team) quit and they had to forfeit a 1st round game a couple of years ago due to a lack of players. With Covid-19 a reality, many school districts starting the year online, and teams already struggling with numbers, there will be schools who simply won’t have the numbers to play this year and a lot of forfeits/cancellations throughout the season. I just don’t see how you can justify trying to practice and play football when it’s too risky to have kids in a classroom . Oddly enough, some schools that are playing football are shutting down their marching bands this season due to social distancing concerns... Keep in mind that your state association is made up of the schools, and is represented by the principles of the schools. So while they may be “money hungry” , they also probably recognize that with regards to the virus their school might be in a situation where they as the principal are directed by the board or superintendent to make difficult choices. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Aug 12, 2020 7:11:02 GMT -6
Looking back at this thread – this may be one of the few times in inter-web history (especially on this site) where the back-and-forth arguments and bickering turns out to have subsequent actions clearly supporting one side .
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