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Post by wingtol on Jun 30, 2020 16:57:37 GMT -6
Saw on Twitter Tennessee just pushed back start of football season and looking at if regular season can be scheduled.
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Post by coachlit on Jun 30, 2020 18:10:59 GMT -6
Can you link the tweet?
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Post by 53 on Jun 30, 2020 18:20:15 GMT -6
Our governor passed new executive orders yesterday that prohibited contact sports, so TSSAA said no practice or games till the order expired.
Not much detail besides that till tomorrow when they officially meet
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Post by 53 on Jun 30, 2020 18:26:24 GMT -6
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Post by wingtol on Jun 30, 2020 19:03:10 GMT -6
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Post by utchuckd on Jun 30, 2020 19:11:36 GMT -6
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Post by realdawg on Jul 1, 2020 4:43:42 GMT -6
Its only a matter of time before this becomes more widespread. A better list will end up being, what states are going to play football on time?
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Post by jlenwood on Jul 1, 2020 5:21:31 GMT -6
Sorry fellas...no football this season. It is only a matter of time for the first state to say no, then every other coward of a Governor will jump in and say no. The concern will be the people in the stands. There is not a politician in this country with the stones to say that the games can go on, and the state school boards and athletic boards are more pathetic than the politicians.
Sorry for the anger, but I'm all jacked up on coffee this morning and just sick (no pun intended) of these jack a$$es who are in charge.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 1, 2020 9:10:43 GMT -6
There is not a politician in this country with the stones to say that the games can go on, and the state school boards and athletic boards are more pathetic than the politicians. What if they are right? Couldn't one argue that taking such measures knowing there will be pushback (like people openly carrying over the "oppression" of being asked to wear a mask...) requires stones? Don't get me wrong, I think when this is looked back upon there will be ample evidence to argue that the measures enacted were done so with questionable logic and on incorrect information. But that 20/20 hindsight is always nice. Right now, those "without stones" are being told by medical professionals and people who have spent their careers studying public health that 1 case creates 3 cases on day 2, which create 9 cases on day 3, which create 27 cases on day 4, which create 81 cases on day 5, which can create over 200 cases on day six etc. Sure you can argue that many if most of those 200 cases will be mild if not asymptomatic. But who has the stones to take that chance?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2020 9:59:45 GMT -6
Sorry fellas...no football this season. It is only a matter of time for the first state to say no, then every other coward of a Governor will jump in and say no. The concern will be the people in the stands. There is not a politician in this country with the stones to say that the games can go on, and the state school boards and athletic boards are more pathetic than the politicians. Sorry for the anger, but I'm all jacked up on coffee this morning and just sick (no pun intended) of these jack a$$es who are in charge. It will never be about the adults. It has always Been and always will be about the kids. Whether that is the truth or not is another story. How long will the government protection tolerance last? I saw a story where customers in a restaraunt were refusing to wear mask, and I dont think that story is going to be isolated. More and more people are going to say F-it in my opinion. i dont know how long devastating restrictions can last, before we have more demonstration along the lines of we cant breath, ironically.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2020 10:19:24 GMT -6
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Post by groundchuck on Jul 1, 2020 11:19:16 GMT -6
Last I heard and read ND and SD are having fall sports seasons on time. An AD I have known over the years out there says there is no talk of shutting down or delaying. So.....everyone pack your bags for the Dakotas!
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Post by coachcb on Jul 1, 2020 11:25:15 GMT -6
Last I heard and read ND and SD are having fall sports seasons on time. An AD I have known over the years out there says there is no talk of shutting down or delaying. So.....everyone pack your bags for the Dakotas! Montana is planning on moving forward as well.. As of now that is. Our high school sports association has several contingency plans in place but my money says that seasons end up cancelled if there's still a resurgence of cases a month from now.
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Post by **** on Jul 1, 2020 11:48:03 GMT -6
Several schools are looking at the covid data and beginning to weigh their options to return. Not just assume a position.
Many are figuring out that if they don’t go back now, they might never go back. Because they will not survive without sports. Their attendance will be awful and they will not receive enough funding from the state to survive. Along with the fact that a good chunk of teachers will leave the profession without sports, and they know there is already a shortage of people to hire.
Schools are starting to think about the financial and long term impact of closing down and weighing the risks. They’re considering more than ‘what’s best for the kids right now’
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 1, 2020 12:08:16 GMT -6
Several schools are looking at the covid data and beginning to weigh their options to return. Not just assume a position. Many are figuring out that if they don’t go back now, they might never go back. Because they will not survive without sports. Their attendance will be awful and they will not receive enough funding from the state to survive. Along with the fact that a good chunk of teachers will leave the profession without sports, and they know there is already a shortage of people to hire. Schools are starting to think about the financial and long term impact of closing down and weighing the risks. They’re considering more than ‘what’s best for the kids right now’ How do you figure that sports affects attendance to such a degree that it will financially impact a school regarding state attendance? Aren't students required to attend a school until a certain age in each state? If a school chooses not to open the buildings, won't they be required to provide distance learning alternatives (and therefore will have students and enrollment onwhich to base funding?) Or are you talking about a situation where there is no pre assigned attendance zones combined with overlapping or competing LEAs?
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Post by sweep26 on Jul 1, 2020 12:10:58 GMT -6
Several schools are looking at the covid data and beginning to weigh their options to return. Not just assume a position. Many are figuring out that if they don’t go back now, they might never go back. Because they will not survive without sports. Their attendance will be awful and they will not receive enough funding from the state to survive. Along with the fact that a good chunk of teachers will leave the profession without sports, and they know there is already a shortage of people to hire. Schools are starting to think about the financial and long term impact of closing down and weighing the risks. They’re considering more than ‘what’s best for the kids right now’ This observation presents some interesting, and realistic facts...certainly worth considering. Prior to this covid crisis...this would probably have been considered biased thinking. Now...not so much so.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2020 12:13:38 GMT -6
Several schools are looking at the covid data and beginning to weigh their options to return. Not just assume a position. Many are figuring out that if they don’t go back now, they might never go back. Because they will not survive without sports. Their attendance will be awful and they will not receive enough funding from the state to survive. Along with the fact that a good chunk of teachers will leave the profession without sports, and they know there is already a shortage of people to hire. Schools are starting to think about the financial and long term impact of closing down and weighing the risks. They’re considering more than ‘what’s best for the kids right now’ Its is a fascinating situation in that it has such broad ramification in ways that 3-5 Months ago would have been inconceivable.
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Post by CS on Jul 1, 2020 12:14:27 GMT -6
Several schools are looking at the covid data and beginning to weigh their options to return. Not just assume a position. Many are figuring out that if they don’t go back now, they might never go back. Because they will not survive without sports. Their attendance will be awful and they will not receive enough funding from the state to survive. Along with the fact that a good chunk of teachers will leave the profession without sports, and they know there is already a shortage of people to hire. Schools are starting to think about the financial and long term impact of closing down and weighing the risks. They’re considering more than ‘what’s best for the kids right now’ Rational thought from administrators? You're obviously lying
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 1, 2020 12:16:42 GMT -6
Several schools are looking at the covid data and beginning to weigh their options to return. Not just assume a position. Many are figuring out that if they don’t go back now, they might never go back. Because they will not survive without sports. Their attendance will be awful and they will not receive enough funding from the state to survive. Along with the fact that a good chunk of teachers will leave the profession without sports, and they know there is already a shortage of people to hire. Schools are starting to think about the financial and long term impact of closing down and weighing the risks. They’re considering more than ‘what’s best for the kids right now’ This observation presents some interesting, and realistic facts...certainly worth considering. Prior to this covid crisis...this would probably have been considered biased thinking. Now...not so much so. Other than potentially some sport factory private schools though, how many situations would find this a relevant situation? How commonplace nationwide is the set up that would make this a factor? In Louisiana, if both Lincoln high and Washington High are governed by the same LEA, they aren't going to have the flexibility to either be open or not. They will follow the LEAs decision. If they are governed by different LEAs then a student wouldn't (legally) be able to choose which one to attend. Are things structured that vastly differently everywhere? Also what % of students are athletes at schools?
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Post by CS on Jul 1, 2020 12:18:18 GMT -6
Several schools are looking at the covid data and beginning to weigh their options to return. Not just assume a position. Many are figuring out that if they don’t go back now, they might never go back. Because they will not survive without sports. Their attendance will be awful and they will not receive enough funding from the state to survive. Along with the fact that a good chunk of teachers will leave the profession without sports, and they know there is already a shortage of people to hire. Schools are starting to think about the financial and long term impact of closing down and weighing the risks. They’re considering more than ‘what’s best for the kids right now’ How do you figure that sports affects attendance to such a degree that it will financially impact a school regarding state attendance? Aren't students required to attend a school until a certain age in each state? If a school chooses not to open the buildings, won't they be required to provide distance learning alternatives (and therefore will have students and enrollment onwhich to base funding?) Or are you talking about a situation where there is no pre assigned attendance zones combined with overlapping or competing LEAs? If fewer kids are in schools then the state isn't going to provide as much money to said school. Why give the school $7,000(generic number) for a kid that's staying home? So you will have to lay people off because you can't afford to pay them and the ripple effect happens. I have worked a few places where the school was the largest employer in the area. Why keep a small school on the verge of consolidation open if there are no or fewer kids attending? Surely you can see that some schools will have problems keeping the door open.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 1, 2020 12:30:58 GMT -6
How do you figure that sports affects attendance to such a degree that it will financially impact a school regarding state attendance? Aren't students required to attend a school until a certain age in each state? If a school chooses not to open the buildings, won't they be required to provide distance learning alternatives (and therefore will have students and enrollment onwhich to base funding?) Or are you talking about a situation where there is no pre assigned attendance zones combined with overlapping or competing LEAs? If fewer kids are in schools then the state isn't going to provide as much money to said school. Why give the school $7,000(generic number) for a kid that's staying home? So you will have to lay people off because you can't afford to pay them and the ripple effect happens. I have worked a few places where the school was the largest employer in the area. Why keep a small school on the verge of consolidation open if there are no or fewer kids attending? Surely you can see that some schools will have problems keeping the door open. Because the student is still enrolled in the school. That is why they get whatever the per pupil funding amount is. The school is still providing the distance learning (if allowed by the state DOE). Now, I am not as familiar with how homeschool would work, and if these families chose homeschool I would imagine then no funding. But if a family is choosing homeschool, that is different than a school not opening its doors and providing distance learning options, and logically a family choosing homeschool would do that regardless of sports being offered.
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Post by bluboy on Jul 1, 2020 13:13:00 GMT -6
Isn't using "rational thought" in the same sentence with administrators an oxymoron? ?
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Post by wingtol on Jul 1, 2020 14:15:46 GMT -6
If fewer kids are in schools then the state isn't going to provide as much money to said school. Why give the school $7,000(generic number) for a kid that's staying home? So you will have to lay people off because you can't afford to pay them and the ripple effect happens. I have worked a few places where the school was the largest employer in the area. Why keep a small school on the verge of consolidation open if there are no or fewer kids attending? Surely you can see that some schools will have problems keeping the door open. Because the student is still enrolled in the school. That is why they get whatever the per pupil funding amount is. The school is still providing the distance learning (if allowed by the state DOE). Now, I am not as familiar with how homeschool would work, and if these families chose homeschool I would imagine then no funding. But if a family is choosing homeschool, that is different than a school not opening its doors and providing distance learning options, and logically a family choosing homeschool would do that regardless of sports being offered. People are saying if there aren't sports in some places that's what keeps kids coming to school each day. Shut down sports now those kids attendance is spotty and drives down the overall attendance % for the school which in some places will lead to the state withholding funding. Not to mention we have kids who are now working basically full time and have been since March so what is their major incentive to come back to school if there aren't sports for them? It's very relative to each situation and socio-economic situation. Schools where education isn't as valued will suffer more than those where it is. Not to hard to figure out.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 1, 2020 14:48:58 GMT -6
Because the student is still enrolled in the school. That is why they get whatever the per pupil funding amount is. The school is still providing the distance learning (if allowed by the state DOE). Now, I am not as familiar with how homeschool would work, and if these families chose homeschool I would imagine then no funding. But if a family is choosing homeschool, that is different than a school not opening its doors and providing distance learning options, and logically a family choosing homeschool would do that regardless of sports being offered. People are saying if there aren't sports in some places that's what keeps kids coming to school each day. Shut down sports now those kids attendance is spotty and drives down the overall attendance % for the school which in some places will lead to the state withholding funding. Not to mention we have kids who are now working basically full time and have been since March so what is their major incentive to come back to school if there aren't sports for them? It's very relative to each situation and socio-economic situation. Schools where education isn't as valued will suffer more than those where it is. Not to hard to figure out. I would challenge that notion, and say that the % of the student population that participates in sports is relatively small in the vast majority of schools...and the percentage of THAT small percentage that would quit going to school all together if there were no sports is smaller. Plus truancy laws would affect most underclassmen in that situation correct? You can't really scroll through 4 pages without running into a post with pleas for help about numbers. Trying to get numbers up, and complaining about the kids and all of their options other than football. But now somehow so many kids are just going to up and quit going to school (and be able to ) if sports aren't offered that the school will have to shut down?
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Post by utchuckd on Jul 1, 2020 14:50:31 GMT -6
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Post by wingtol on Jul 1, 2020 15:03:20 GMT -6
People are saying if there aren't sports in some places that's what keeps kids coming to school each day. Shut down sports now those kids attendance is spotty and drives down the overall attendance % for the school which in some places will lead to the state withholding funding. Not to mention we have kids who are now working basically full time and have been since March so what is their major incentive to come back to school if there aren't sports for them? It's very relative to each situation and socio-economic situation. Schools where education isn't as valued will suffer more than those where it is. Not to hard to figure out. I would challenge that notion, and say that the % of the student population that participates in sports is relatively small in the vast majority of schools...and the percentage of THAT small percentage that would quit going to school all together if there were no sports is smaller. Plus truancy laws would affect most underclassmen in that situation correct? You can't really scroll through 4 pages without running into a post with pleas for help about numbers. Trying to get numbers up, and complaining about the kids and all of their options other than football. But now somehow so many kids are just going to up and quit going to school (and be able to ) if sports aren't offered that the school will have to shut down? I didn't say schools would shut down but it could effect funding for daily attendance rate. Not saying kids will drop out totally but if they are deciding to come to school or not that day no sports sure could sway their decision. Not to mention the loss of sports motivating kids to stay up on academics and behavior. And yes the schools I work in and coach in these situations would arise.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 1, 2020 15:29:37 GMT -6
I would challenge that notion, and say that the % of the student population that participates in sports is relatively small in the vast majority of schools...and the percentage of THAT small percentage that would quit going to school all together if there were no sports is smaller. Plus truancy laws would affect most underclassmen in that situation correct? You can't really scroll through 4 pages without running into a post with pleas for help about numbers. Trying to get numbers up, and complaining about the kids and all of their options other than football. But now somehow so many kids are just going to up and quit going to school (and be able to ) if sports aren't offered that the school will have to shut down? I didn't say schools would shut down but it could effect funding for daily attendance rate. Not saying kids will drop out totally but if they are deciding to come to school or not that day no sports sure could sway their decision. Not to mention the loss of sports motivating kids to stay up on academics and behavior. And yes the schools I work in and coach in these situations would arise. Everyone who works in schools has students that fit this behavior model. Anders4 said that many schools are figuring out that they won't survive without sports. I just don't believe there is any evidence to that.
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Post by **** on Jul 1, 2020 15:45:53 GMT -6
I didn't say schools would shut down but it could effect funding for daily attendance rate. Not saying kids will drop out totally but if they are deciding to come to school or not that day no sports sure could sway their decision. Not to mention the loss of sports motivating kids to stay up on academics and behavior. And yes the schools I work in and coach in these situations would arise. Everyone who works in schools has students that fit this behavior model. Anders4 said that many schools are figuring out that they won't survive without sports. I just don't believe there is any evidence to that. You haven’t been retired that long. You know how the school system works man.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 1, 2020 16:00:31 GMT -6
Everyone who works in schools has students that fit this behavior model. Anders4 said that many schools are figuring out that they won't survive without sports. I just don't believe there is any evidence to that. You haven’t been retired that long. You know how the school system works man. I know how the systems I m associated with work. That is why I pointed out my issues with the statement. I don't see any of the nearby systems (including Orleans Parish Public Schools) having to board up doors because there were no sports
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Post by **** on Jul 1, 2020 16:10:35 GMT -6
You haven’t been retired that long. You know how the school system works man. I know how the systems I m associated with work. That is why I pointed out my issues with the statement. I don't see any of the nearby systems (including Orleans Parish Public Schools) having to board up doors because there were no sports I'm guessing you haven't been in a rural community. There's a reason schools are already giving students the option to choose between virtual learning or return in person for 'normal' learning. They're taking more into account than the idea of "what is best for kids now" They know without in person school there is no sports. We already had a test run for virtual learning in 4th quarter. First month we tried to make kids do work. The school figured out all our kids got blue collar jobs and worked instead of writing a paper on 'To Kill a Mockingbird'. Thus work was made optional and your grade could only improve or you'd stick with your final 3rd quarter grade.... Or we could fail 75% the school. Our kids are worried about supporting their families. Not finding slope and y-intercept of a line.
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