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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2020 6:50:49 GMT -6
What would the costs be to test an entire team? I keep hearing we need a vaccine! for things to be normal. I'm just wondering....we have a flu shot that millions of people get a year, yet millions of people get the flu every year, people die from flu and flu related problems even with a "shot". If we didn't have the flu shot what would the casualties be? So if there is a corona vaccine will it wipe it out completely? If it doesn't are people still going to act this way? At what point do we have to accept its here and we can live with it? All death is tragic and I know there are side effects as well but when .0005% of the US population has succumbed to this are we going a bit crazy ( I know hospitalization has spiked in some areas)? at some point we have to get with it. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 8, 2020 8:13:51 GMT -6
What would the costs be to test an entire team? What would be the purpose of testing the entire team? From Harvard med : The lack of quality information is probably the #1 issue regarding this virus. This is leading many of the headscratching policies or logical holes in much of what we are seeing. The "what about...." movements. |
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Post by planck on Jul 8, 2020 8:25:55 GMT -6
Yes, because nothing is going to change between now and then. My question is what's going to happen when one of our players (or even one of us) contracts COVID? That's the burning question and you know it's going to happen with a lot of teams. Will he have to quarantine even if he feels okay? Will the whole team have to quarantine? Will the team have to forfeit the game Friday night? I’m not sure if we had this discussion here or in the office at my school. But yeah if someone came back positive everyone including the team you played would have to get tested. That of course takes like 4 or 5 days so you would have a couple of teams have to possibly forfeit I anticipate this situation, and I hope for everyone's sake they don't call it a forfeit. That's only going to encourage some loose cannon coach yo keep the team playing when they shouldn't be. Just "cancel" the game. Not like any championships are going to mean much this year anyway... |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2020 9:56:09 GMT -6
Just to update this thread:
Our state association was supposed to announce their chosen plan yesterday but they punted. They said they’re going to keep talking with the governor’s office and will decide at the end of the month. The governor has issued exemptions allowing college and pro sports to practice and play, which is what many in our state association are hoping will be extended to high school.
The big issue to trying to determine how sports will work comes down to the piecemeal, district by district plans each school is using to determine when it’s safe to open. It’s hard to justify football if schools are closed and it’s considered unsafe to group them together on campus. That could also potentially make any season a scheduling nightmare of forfeits as some schools shut down
Most of the schools near me are using a “community spread” model that averages new cases in the county over a 14 day span. Less than 5 new cases per 100k people per day and it’s business as usual. Over 10 and it’s “consider distance learning,” the specifics of which are almost undefined but it does signal they will consider closing schools. Between 6-10 new cases per day is where it gets weird, with complex “social distancing measures” being instituted that appear unworkable for just about any school.
Even if we hold games in a reduced season, will they be in front of an empty stadium? Football is expensive and without the gate money to recoup those expenses, it’s going to be hard for most schools to afford a season.
Our association wants to play. It depends on football playoff money for its livelihood, especially after canceling the basketball tournaments in the spring. However, there might just be too many logistical and safety issues to have any kind of season this year.
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Post by 53 on Jul 9, 2020 10:13:30 GMT -6
Just to update this thread: Our state association was supposed to announce their chosen plan yesterday but they punted. They said they’re going to keep talking with the governor’s office and will decide at the end of the month. The governor has issued exemptions allowing college and pro sports to practice and play, which is what many in our state association are hoping will be extended to high school. The big issue to trying to determine how sports will work comes down to the piecemeal, district by district plans each school is using to determine when it’s safe to open. It’s hard to justify football if schools are closed and it’s considered unsafe to group them together on campus. That could also potentially make any season a scheduling nightmare of forfeits as some schools shut down Most of the schools near me are using a “community spread” model that averages new cases in the county over a 14 day span. Less than 5 new cases per day and it’s business as usual. Over 10 and it’s “consider distance learning,” the specifics of which are almost undefined but it does signal they will consider closing schools. Between 6-10 new cases per day is where it gets weird, with complex “social distancing measures” being instituted that appear unworkable for just about any school. Even if we hold games in a reduced season, will they be in front of an empty stadium? Football is expensive and without the gate money to recoup those expenses, it’s going to be hard for most schools to afford a season. Our association wants to play. It depends on football playoff money for its livelihood, especially after canceling the basketball tournaments in the spring. However, there might just be too many logistical and safety issues to have any kind of season this year. Not a good day considering we set a state record for cases yesterday too. I think a normal regular season is already off the table but they're keeping everyone in limbo |
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Post by fadepattern on Jul 9, 2020 11:53:11 GMT -6
This is something that no one ever wants to hear but it's in the hands of the Governor's lawyers and the TSSAA lawyers now.
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Post by wingtol on Jul 9, 2020 17:46:46 GMT -6
Down goes New Mexico.
Other sadly will now follow.
I said this today at workouts that it would be a state with a woman in charge since no man wants to be remembered as the man who killed high school football this year. I know that's not PC but...
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Post by carookie on Jul 9, 2020 17:54:26 GMT -6
Down goes New Mexico. Other sadly will now follow. I said this today at workouts that it would be a state with a woman in charge since no man wants to be remembered as the man who killed high school football this year. I know that's not PC but... Are they moving spring sports up to fall? Sorry if it read so in the briefing i couldnt see it all. I figure baseball, softball, track & field, and golf can go a bit more safely. |
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Post by carookie on Jul 10, 2020 10:44:36 GMT -6
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Post by stilltryin on Jul 10, 2020 12:52:13 GMT -6
As of today, New Jersey Is pushing the start of games back to Oct. 2, ending Thanksgiving weekend, with no championship playoff "post-season."
Teams may hold "summer workouts" ... highly restricted, basically conditioning and conditioning through football-related drills without balls ... from July 16 to Aug. 28.
Aug. 29-Sept. 13 will be a hiatus period, with virtual meetings only. as schools re-open.
Regular practice to begin Sept. 14.
Essentially, they're looking to get kids back to school, and see how that works, before injecting football back into the picture.
Could be a lot worse ... and will be, if the numbers spike again with the start of school.
Like a few guys have said on here, do your best for the kids, then hope for the best.
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Post by morris on Jul 10, 2020 13:03:40 GMT -6
As of today, New Jersey Is pushing the start of games back to Oct. 2, ending Thanksgiving weekend, with no championship playoff "post-season." Teams may hold "summer workouts" ... highly restricted, basically conditioning and conditioning through football-related drills without balls ... from July 16 to Aug. 28. Aug. 29-Sept. 13 will be a hiatus period, with virtual meetings only. as schools re-open. Regular practice to begin Sept. 14. Essentially, they're looking to get kids back to school, and see how that works, before injecting football back into the picture. Could be a lot worse ... and will be, if the numbers spike again with the start of school. Like a few guys have said on here, do your best for the kids, then hope for the best. If everything goes as planned for you guys how many games would you get to play? |
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Post by wingtol on Jul 10, 2020 14:15:56 GMT -6
As of today, New Jersey Is pushing the start of games back to Oct. 2, ending Thanksgiving weekend, with no championship playoff "post-season." Teams may hold "summer workouts" ... highly restricted, basically conditioning and conditioning through football-related drills without balls ... from July 16 to Aug. 28. Aug. 29-Sept. 13 will be a hiatus period, with virtual meetings only. as schools re-open. Regular practice to begin Sept. 14. Essentially, they're looking to get kids back to school, and see how that works, before injecting football back into the picture. Could be a lot worse ... and will be, if the numbers spike again with the start of school. Like a few guys have said on here, do your best for the kids, then hope for the best. Let's hurry up and get them back in shape then shut it all down and start back up again... I know I know it's a crazy situation but sometimes ya gotta shake your head at the decision makers... |
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 10, 2020 14:19:22 GMT -6
As of today, New Jersey Is pushing the start of games back to Oct. 2, ending Thanksgiving weekend, with no championship playoff "post-season." Teams may hold "summer workouts" ... highly restricted, basically conditioning and conditioning through football-related drills without balls ... from July 16 to Aug. 28. Aug. 29-Sept. 13 will be a hiatus period, with virtual meetings only. as schools re-open. Regular practice to begin Sept. 14. Essentially, they're looking to get kids back to school, and see how that works, before injecting football back into the picture. Could be a lot worse ... and will be, if the numbers spike again with the start of school. Like a few guys have said on here, do your best for the kids, then hope for the best. Let's hurry up and get them back in shape then shut it all down and start back up again... I know I know it's a crazy situation but sometimes ya gotta shake your head at the decision makers... To be honest though, I think that the purpose of those activities July 16-Aug 28 is to be doing SOMETHING than it is actual prep for the upcoming season. |
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Post by larrymoe on Jul 10, 2020 14:52:36 GMT -6
As of today, New Jersey Is pushing the start of games back to Oct. 2, ending Thanksgiving weekend, with no championship playoff "post-season." Teams may hold "summer workouts" ... highly restricted, basically conditioning and conditioning through football-related drills without balls ... from July 16 to Aug. 28. Aug. 29-Sept. 13 will be a hiatus period, with virtual meetings only. as schools re-open. Regular practice to begin Sept. 14. Essentially, they're looking to get kids back to school, and see how that works, before injecting football back into the picture. Could be a lot worse ... and will be, if the numbers spike again with the start of school. Like a few guys have said on here, do your best for the kids, then hope for the best. Let's hurry up and get them back in shape then shut it all down and start back up again... I know I know it's a crazy situation but sometimes ya gotta shake your head at the decision makers... Rule 1 of modern decision making- CYA at all times. |
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Post by wingtol on Jul 10, 2020 15:03:47 GMT -6
Let's hurry up and get them back in shape then shut it all down and start back up again... I know I know it's a crazy situation but sometimes ya gotta shake your head at the decision makers... Rule 1 of modern decision making- CYA at all times. 100% accurate |
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Post by 44dlcoach on Jul 10, 2020 16:53:56 GMT -6
A little off topic but we have goofy rules like that under normal circumstances too.
In a normal year we can have 5 days of padded camp any time we choose in the summer, like we could do it the first week after school gets out.
Then we would have a full summer program, every single team in our area has one and has for 15 years.
Then, in the first week of August we would have to do 2 days of non-pads, and then 3 days of helmets only for "heat acclimation". Which I'm not really opposed to but juxtaposed with the fact that they'll let us put full pads on for literally any week of our choosing in the summer, seems a little dumb.
Then, if you're fortunate enough for your football season to last into the beginning of basketball season, the football players who join basketball late can't play right away because they have to get 10 practices in to make sure they are safely conditioned to play a sport.
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Post by stilltryin on Jul 11, 2020 6:43:48 GMT -6
As of today, New Jersey Is pushing the start of games back to Oct. 2, ending Thanksgiving weekend, with no championship playoff "post-season." Teams may hold "summer workouts" ... highly restricted, basically conditioning and conditioning through football-related drills without balls ... from July 16 to Aug. 28. Aug. 29-Sept. 13 will be a hiatus period, with virtual meetings only. as schools re-open. Regular practice to begin Sept. 14. Essentially, they're looking to get kids back to school, and see how that works, before injecting football back into the picture. Could be a lot worse ... and will be, if the numbers spike again with the start of school. Like a few guys have said on here, do your best for the kids, then hope for the best. If everything goes as planned for you guys how many games would you get to play? |
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Post by stilltryin on Jul 11, 2020 6:46:53 GMT -6
Unless we can add a game during what would've been the playoff season here, we'd have 8 games.
As it stands now, we'd have a full month between our last regular season game Oct. 23 and our Thanksgiving rivalry game.
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Post by fadepattern on Jul 11, 2020 9:04:39 GMT -6
I think that by Friday of July 17th the governor will make a decision about letting football start on time according to the TSSSA calendar. If he says go ahead and start then it will be up to the individual school districts to make the decision if they want to start or not.
If the governor's office decided against letting football start now and holds to the Aug. 31st start date of practice then the TSSAA will vote on one of three proposed options with the first games on Sept. 18th. Again it will then be up to the individual school districts to decide if they want to start or not.
If the situation has not improved by Aug. 31st then the TSSAA may look at at what Virginia has talked about with winter sports starting mid December, fall sports starting mid February and spring sports starting mid April.
Of course it is also possible that the schedule for Tennessee stays exactly the same and "contact sports" (FB, soccer, basketball, wrestling) are simply cancelled.
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Post by 53 on Jul 11, 2020 9:41:10 GMT -6
I think that by Friday of July 17th the governor will make a decision about letting football start on time according to the TSSSA calendar. If he says go ahead and start then it will be up to the individual school districts to make the decision if they want to start or not. If the governor's office decided against letting football start now and holds to the Aug. 31st start date of practice then the TSSAA will vote on one of three proposed options with the first games on Sept. 18th. Again it will then be up to the individual school districts to decide if they want to start or not. If the situation has not improved by Aug. 31st then the TSSAA may look at at what Virginia has talked about with winter sports starting mid December, fall sports starting mid February and spring sports starting mid April. Of course it is also possible that the schedule for Tennessee stays exactly the same and "contact sports" (FB, soccer, basketball, wrestling) are simply cancelled. With Knoxville being considered a national hot spot now and numbers increasing across the states and P5 and colleges around the country delaying and making changes. I see see no way that the governor changes course on this. |
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Post by fadepattern on Jul 11, 2020 11:58:06 GMT -6
I think that by Friday of July 17th the governor will make a decision about letting football start on time according to the TSSSA calendar. If he says go ahead and start then it will be up to the individual school districts to make the decision if they want to start or not. If the governor's office decided against letting football start now and holds to the Aug. 31st start date of practice then the TSSAA will vote on one of three proposed options with the first games on Sept. 18th. Again it will then be up to the individual school districts to decide if they want to start or not. If the situation has not improved by Aug. 31st then the TSSAA may look at at what Virginia has talked about with winter sports starting mid December, fall sports starting mid February and spring sports starting mid April. Of course it is also possible that the schedule for Tennessee stays exactly the same and "contact sports" (FB, soccer, basketball, wrestling) are simply cancelled. With Knoxville being considered a national hot spot now and numbers increasing across the states and P5 and colleges around the country delaying and making changes. I see see no way that the governor changes course on this. Nor do I. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2020 7:24:19 GMT -6
I think that by Friday of July 17th the governor will make a decision about letting football start on time according to the TSSSA calendar. If he says go ahead and start then it will be up to the individual school districts to make the decision if they want to start or not. If the governor's office decided against letting football start now and holds to the Aug. 31st start date of practice then the TSSAA will vote on one of three proposed options with the first games on Sept. 18th. Again it will then be up to the individual school districts to decide if they want to start or not. If the situation has not improved by Aug. 31st then the TSSAA may look at at what Virginia has talked about with winter sports starting mid December, fall sports starting mid February and spring sports starting mid April. Of course it is also possible that the schedule for Tennessee stays exactly the same and "contact sports" (FB, soccer, basketball, wrestling) are simply cancelled. With Knoxville being considered a national hot spot now and numbers increasing across the states and P5 and colleges around the country delaying and making changes. I see see no way that the governor changes course on this. I agree. The Nashville area has been hit pretty hard all along as well. I’m not sure what their numbers look like, but statewide things are trending towards most schools doing some kind of distance learning. I will honestly be surprised if there is a season this year. There is just too much to sort out even if the state OKs an abbreviated season. Basketball might not even happen. |
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Post by kylem56 on Jul 12, 2020 11:07:39 GMT -6
Just to update this thread: Our state association was supposed to announce their chosen plan yesterday but they punted. They said they’re going to keep talking with the governor’s office and will decide at the end of the month. The governor has issued exemptions allowing college and pro sports to practice and play, which is what many in our state association are hoping will be extended to high school. The big issue to trying to determine how sports will work comes down to the piecemeal, district by district plans each school is using to determine when it’s safe to open. It’s hard to justify football if schools are closed and it’s considered unsafe to group them together on campus. That could also potentially make any season a scheduling nightmare of forfeits as some schools shut down Most of the schools near me are using a “community spread” model that averages new cases in the county over a 14 day span. Less than 5 new cases per 100k people per day and it’s business as usual. Over 10 and it’s “consider distance learning,” the specifics of which are almost undefined but it does signal they will consider closing schools. Between 6-10 new cases per day is where it gets weird, with complex “social distancing measures” being instituted that appear unworkable for just about any school. Even if we hold games in a reduced season, will they be in front of an empty stadium? Football is expensive and without the gate money to recoup those expenses, it’s going to be hard for most schools to afford a season. Our association wants to play. It depends on football playoff money for its livelihood, especially after canceling the basketball tournaments in the spring. However, there might just be too many logistical and safety issues to have any kind of season this year. Coach- just my opinion but I would say the longer your state association takes to make a decision the better. I don't know where you are located but unless you are one in the few northern states that is in real good shape, its probaly a good thing. As far as gate money, I agree its tough but its a sacrifice that may have to be made. With facebook live and youtube live and all that, I am sure there is a cheap way to stream games for a fee if need be. Might be a nice project for one of your computer or media classes. Best of luck, hope for the best, prepare for the worst |
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 12, 2020 12:31:10 GMT -6
Just to update this thread: Our state association was supposed to announce their chosen plan yesterday but they punted. They said they’re going to keep talking with the governor’s office and will decide at the end of the month. The governor has issued exemptions allowing college and pro sports to practice and play, which is what many in our state association are hoping will be extended to high school. The big issue to trying to determine how sports will work comes down to the piecemeal, district by district plans each school is using to determine when it’s safe to open. It’s hard to justify football if schools are closed and it’s considered unsafe to group them together on campus. That could also potentially make any season a scheduling nightmare of forfeits as some schools shut down Most of the schools near me are using a “community spread” model that averages new cases in the county over a 14 day span. Less than 5 new cases per 100k people per day and it’s business as usual. Over 10 and it’s “consider distance learning,” the specifics of which are almost undefined but it does signal they will consider closing schools. Between 6-10 new cases per day is where it gets weird, with complex “social distancing measures” being instituted that appear unworkable for just about any school. Even if we hold games in a reduced season, will they be in front of an empty stadium? Football is expensive and without the gate money to recoup those expenses, it’s going to be hard for most schools to afford a season. Our association wants to play. It depends on football playoff money for its livelihood, especially after canceling the basketball tournaments in the spring. However, there might just be too many logistical and safety issues to have any kind of season this year. Coach- just my opinion but I would say the longer your state association takes to make a decision the better. I don't know where you are located but unless you are one in the few northern states that is in real good shape, its probaly a good thing. As far as gate money, I agree its tough but its a sacrifice that may have to be made. With facebook live and youtube live and all that, I am sure there is a cheap way to stream games for a fee if need be. Might be a nice project for one of your computer or media classes. Best of luck, hope for the best, prepare for the worst Agreed. Nobody is going to make an irrevocable decision that "we are playing, nothing will change that" so any definitive announcement right now will be a negative one. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2020 12:39:33 GMT -6
The longer nothing is said, might as well just cancel season for 20/21 season. To suggest we are playing spring and then play again in august! Please, just cancel the Season already.
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Post by Defcord on Jul 12, 2020 16:25:20 GMT -6
The longer nothing is said, might as well just cancel season for 20/21 season. To suggest we are playing spring and then play again in august! Please, just cancel the Season already. Many states already have spring football. Wouldn’t it be feasible for those states, and others that choose to, to have a spring season that is more than the normal spring but way scaled back from fall? Maybe 2-4 games with some kind of “playoff/bowl” game. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 12, 2020 16:45:01 GMT -6
The longer nothing is said, might as well just cancel season for 20/21 season. To suggest we are playing spring and then play again in august! Please, just cancel the Season already. Many states already have spring football. Wouldn’t it be feasible for those states, and others that choose to, to have a spring season that is more than the normal spring but way scaled back from fall? Maybe 2-4 games with some kind of “playoff/bowl” game. That might interfere with baseball/track in the spring. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2020 18:46:46 GMT -6
The longer nothing is said, might as well just cancel season for 20/21 season. To suggest we are playing spring and then play again in august! Please, just cancel the Season already. Many states already have spring football. Wouldn’t it be feasible for those states, and others that choose to, to have a spring season that is more than the normal spring but way scaled back from fall? Maybe 2-4 games with some kind of “playoff/bowl” game. Just double up the spring for the states. If you dont have, have one, if you have one have 2. Give em 10-20 days on the field or whatever. Loosen the rules up. |
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Post by Defcord on Jul 12, 2020 19:00:03 GMT -6
Many states already have spring football. Wouldn’t it be feasible for those states, and others that choose to, to have a spring season that is more than the normal spring but way scaled back from fall? Maybe 2-4 games with some kind of “playoff/bowl” game. That might interfere with baseball/track in the spring. In my mind all sports may have to make adjustments to spring schedules. It certainly would interfere with their normal schedules. I just am holding out hope. |
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Post by fkaboneyard on Jul 13, 2020 8:51:21 GMT -6
The move to spring is going to be hard on a lot of small schools and may end up being the death knell of a lot of football programs. Programs that already struggle to get kids are now going to have to compete with track and baseball. On top of that, kids are looking at abbreviated seasons. I know a lot of kids that I coached in both football and baseball would choose baseball if for no other reason than the number of games they get to play vs the amount of practice they are required to do.
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