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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 3, 2020 21:09:10 GMT -6
While it may be the highest revenue sport, it is also the highest expense sport. Many if not most colleges (and one could probably say HS too) LOOSE money on football. Depends entirely on the school. I know my school only makes money off football and basketball, then a whopping $0 off every other sport. Football and basketball is our only profitable sport. Revenue, or brand wise. Everyone knows football is king when it comes to sports. At every level. If the world would survive without football, we’d all be closed down right now. If Tennis was our states money maker we would’ve already closed football down for the fall due to the potential close contact health risks. It’s not about ‘football’, it’s all about money. And football = big money in every aspect of 99% of schools. Again, football = LOOSING MONEY for many if not most schools. Revenue does NOT equal profit. Bringing in "big money" but having bigger expenses does not equal big money. And really? "If the world would survive without football..." You do realize American Football is not that big a deal for the vast majority of humans on the planet right? I haven't hear of any associations saying "we aren't doing cross country in the fall". No high school has a Stock Car racing team that i know of, yet NASCAR is still running. Anyway, this thread has really taken some twists and turns. My point was just to comment and question on the idea that if school buildings were open for in seat learning, but state associations or districts didn't allow for extra curriculars, that community schools would shutter their doors... |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2020 21:19:52 GMT -6
Depends entirely on the school. I know my school only makes money off football and basketball, then a whopping $0 off every other sport. Football and basketball is our only profitable sport. Revenue, or brand wise. Everyone knows football is king when it comes to sports. At every level. If the world would survive without football, we’d all be closed down right now. If Tennis was our states money maker we would’ve already closed football down for the fall due to the potential close contact health risks. It’s not about ‘football’, it’s all about money. And football = big money in every aspect of 99% of schools. Again, football = LOOSING MONEY for many if not most schools. Revenue does NOT equal profit. Bringing in "big money" but having bigger expenses does not equal big money. And really? "If the world would survive without football..." You do realize American Football is not that big a deal for the vast majority of humans on the planet right? I haven't hear of any associations saying "we aren't doing cross country in the fall". No high school has a Stock Car racing team that i know of, yet NASCAR is still running. Anyway, this thread has really taken some twists and turns. My point was just to comment and question on the idea that if school buildings were open for in seat learning, but state associations or districts didn't allow for extra curriculars, that community schools would shutter their doors... nobody care about cross country. If they did, you would hear it. Understand that most amateur athletic only exist by law. Because they cannot pull their own financial weight. Football makes money, The drain is not football. It is all the other non revenue producing sports that are killing athletic programs. So when 4 star says some schools would shut down without football, i can absoulutely see it. Baseball, swimming, track, soccer, cross country make nothing. So you shut down football but you have those Other non revenue producing sports, you have to take money from elsewhere. Donors that want winning football aren’t paying for soccer. That money has to come from somewhere. Football without crowds is not doable. Its one of the reasons we wont have football this fall. they have to have those people. |
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Post by 90rocket on Jul 3, 2020 21:35:39 GMT -6
Again, football = LOOSING MONEY for many if not most schools. Revenue does NOT equal profit. Bringing in "big money" but having bigger expenses does not equal big money. And really? "If the world would survive without football..." You do realize American Football is not that big a deal for the vast majority of humans on the planet right? I haven't hear of any associations saying "we aren't doing cross country in the fall". No high school has a Stock Car racing team that i know of, yet NASCAR is still running. Anyway, this thread has really taken some twists and turns. My point was just to comment and question on the idea that if school buildings were open for in seat learning, but state associations or districts didn't allow for extra curriculars, that community schools would shutter their doors... nobody care about cross country. If they did, you would hear it. Understand that most amateur athletic only exist by law. Because they cannot pull their own financial weight. Football makes money, The drain is not football. It is all the other non revenue producing sports that are killing athletic programs. So when 4 star says some schools would shut down without football, i can absoulutely see it. Baseball, swimming, track, soccer, cross country make nothing. So you shut down football but you have those Other non revenue producing sports, you have to take money from elsewhere. Donors that want winning football aren’t paying for soccer. That money has to come from somewhere. Football without crowds is not doable. Its one of the reasons we wont have football this fall. they have to have those people. At least in NY I don’t think there are ANY HS football programs that bring in a profit for their schools. Yes, they make the most money in concessions and ticket sales that often gets distributed to other teams but coaching salaries and equipment costs far outweighs any revenue. |
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Post by **** on Jul 3, 2020 21:43:33 GMT -6
Depends entirely on the school. I know my school only makes money off football and basketball, then a whopping $0 off every other sport. Football and basketball is our only profitable sport. Revenue, or brand wise. Everyone knows football is king when it comes to sports. At every level. If the world would survive without football, we’d all be closed down right now. If Tennis was our states money maker we would’ve already closed football down for the fall due to the potential close contact health risks. It’s not about ‘football’, it’s all about money. And football = big money in every aspect of 99% of schools. Again, football = LOOSING MONEY for many if not most schools. Revenue does NOT equal profit. Bringing in "big money" but having bigger expenses does not equal big money. And really? "If the world would survive without football..." You do realize American Football is not that big a deal for the vast majority of humans on the planet right? I haven't hear of any associations saying "we aren't doing cross country in the fall". No high school has a Stock Car racing team that i know of, yet NASCAR is still running. Anyway, this thread has really taken some twists and turns. My point was just to comment and question on the idea that if school buildings were open for in seat learning, but state associations or districts didn't allow for extra curriculars, that community schools would shutter their doors... Good call, forgot about all that. You've been right this whole time. I apologize for wasting your time. Others should continue to look to you for great wisdom. Thank you for your input. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2020 21:44:32 GMT -6
nobody care about cross country. If they did, you would hear it. Understand that most amateur athletic only exist by law. Because they cannot pull their own financial weight. Football makes money, The drain is not football. It is all the other non revenue producing sports that are killing athletic programs. So when 4 star says some schools would shut down without football, i can absoulutely see it. Baseball, swimming, track, soccer, cross country make nothing. So you shut down football but you have those Other non revenue producing sports, you have to take money from elsewhere. Donors that want winning football aren’t paying for soccer. That money has to come from somewhere. Football without crowds is not doable. Its one of the reasons we wont have football this fall. they have to have those people. At least in NY I don’t think there are ANY HS football programs that bring in a profit for their schools. Yes, they make the most money in concessions and ticket sales that often gets distributed to other teams but coaching salaries and equipment costs far outweighs any revenue. Here in GA, the good jobs have pockets that are not from the state. Here in the south, my state, 100k nothing for a head coach. At least one of the coaches I think is making 25000 a year stipen. And in this town, i kid you not, there is no money. The good program have old money and new money backing it. I would suggest if football were left alone, it would do just fine. |
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Post by carookie on Jul 3, 2020 22:31:05 GMT -6
Because the student is still enrolled in the school. That is why they get whatever the per pupil funding amount is. The school is still providing the distance learning (if allowed by the state DOE). Now, I am not as familiar with how homeschool would work, and if these families chose homeschool I would imagine then no funding. But if a family is choosing homeschool, that is different than a school not opening its doors and providing distance learning options, and logically a family choosing homeschool would do that regardless of sports being offered. My Aunt & Uncle only sent their children that participated in extracurriculars to public high school. The two that didn’t participate continued to homeschool. I know of at least 1 student we have that is only in our school to participate in band & I think one sport. Is it a lot? Probably not. Does every student & especially an entire family of 3 or more count in smaller district? Absolutely. FWIW, i have worked at multiple private schools that offer homeschool programs, where students who are in the homeschool can play on the sports teams. This may become a popular option for some, as it allows for a dedicated homeschool program (in lieu of a poorly run distance learning experience) and athletics |
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Post by larrymoe on Jul 4, 2020 6:12:45 GMT -6
If football isn't played, they will still gather for other reasons. To think football is a driving force of the majority, or even half of America is only trying to justify self interest. Less than 1/3 of Americans even watched the Super Bowl. 30.4% to be exact. 30 pct is a 100 million people that, is significant. I am not suggesting that people wont survive without it. I am not that naive. 100 million people that maybe 1/3 of actually watch the football. |
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Post by coachklee on Jul 4, 2020 7:11:09 GMT -6
At least 1 school district nearby us that my HC’s wife works at conducted a survey from parents that a significant percentage of parents indicated they would straight up home school their students if school didn’t resume as normal (I think 20%). They could easily find online curriculum to follow and the school would be out the $8000 per pupil in state funding for those students if they are not enrolled. Yes law mandates students are in school, but that doesn’t mean they have to be attending public school. I could understand parents with the means to do so to decide that traditional brick & mortar public schools aren’t worth it unless the full school culture was there for the student. Can you clarify "resume as normal" I can absolutely see that type of response compared to some various mix of distance and in seat learning, modified or platooned schedule etc. But that those same 1/5 parents would home school (at the HS level mind you) if they had daily open school buildings but not extra curriculars? I don't know if that is what the parents were indicating. Meaning kids were showing up everyday from 8-3 or whatever school hours are (and implied that all extracurriculars were full go). |
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 4, 2020 7:20:07 GMT -6
Everyone thinks 'football' is saving football. Couldn't be farther from the truth. We are talking about a meaningless game in the grand scheme of things. We don't really 'need' to play football but there is a reason everyone in this nation is trying to make it happen. Money. Capitalism is saving football. It's all about money. It is by far the most profitable sport in America. If it wasn't then we wouldn't be playing this fall. We're talking about the economic impact of not playing, not 'we have to play because football saves kids lives by teaching them how to work hard'. The NFL is playing, FBS is playing and in turn, HS will play too. The only thing preventing any of that from happening is Trump shutting everything dow, and I don't see that happening again. How do I know NFL and FBS is playing? I know several coaches at both levels and there is zero sign of them slowing down. The only thing they might do differently is play with limited to no fans. No fans means a 10% revenue cut. No games? Over 50% due to TV contracts. They are playing this fall. Even the media has figured it out already. A couple of points- Coach, right now Capitalism is struggling to save CAPITALISM! The Cruise industry (46 Billion dollar industry), Hotel Industry (216 Billion dollar industry) Restaurant Industry (836 Billion dollar industry) are all facing major challenges. Trump didn't shut anything down. Those were all Local level declarations. Just a point of fact. Of course the coaches you speak of are not slowing down. They have jobs. They are doing their jobs. And as far as not slowing down, the NFL hasn't really started up have they? And there are numerous examples of college athletic programs halting their workouts (football and other sports). I even know more than a handful of HS programs who started Offseason workouts June 8th and already suspended them due to infections. No fans is a MUCH greater than 10% rev cut for college programs. Their TV deals are substantially different than the NFL. Most importantly, why introduce this in a discussion about HS sports? How does "The NFL will play, maybe without fans, because of the money" impact HS districts and state organizations regarding play? And along those lines, how does that have anything to do with "If these schools open up but the state association cancels a sports season, they will close down because none of the students will go to school anyway" argument? |
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 4, 2020 7:22:36 GMT -6
Can you clarify "resume as normal" I can absolutely see that type of response compared to some various mix of distance and in seat learning, modified or platooned schedule etc. But that those same 1/5 parents would home school (at the HS level mind you) if they had daily open school buildings but not extra curriculars? I don't know if that is what the parents were indicating. Meaning kids were showing up everyday from 8-3 or whatever school hours are (and implied that all extracurriculars were full go). I just don't feel the extracurriculars where what the parents were referring to. Meaning If kids showed up everyday from 8-3 but then all went home at 3pm because state association cancelled football or cross country that those 20% of parents would not choose to homeschool. |
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Post by coachklee on Jul 4, 2020 7:26:46 GMT -6
Meaning kids were showing up everyday from 8-3 or whatever school hours are (and implied that all extracurriculars were full go). I just don't feel the extracurriculars where what the parents were referring to. Meaning If kids showed up everyday from 8-3 but then all went home at 3pm because state association cancelled football or cross country that those 20% of parents would not choose to homeschool. Perhaps. I’d argue they are going to go hand-in-hand. Either we are in reopening phases that says school is a go or we aren’t. If school is and kids are already interacting at that level, most extracurriculars are good to go & doing little to increase risks further. Again, maybe you are right & I’m extrapolating the survey because of my biases. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 4, 2020 7:33:25 GMT -6
I just don't feel the extracurriculars where what the parents were referring to. Meaning If kids showed up everyday from 8-3 but then all went home at 3pm because state association cancelled football or cross country that those 20% of parents would not choose to homeschool. Perhaps. I’d argue they are going to hand-in-hand. Either we are in reopening phases that says school is a go or we aren’t. If school is and kids are already interacting at that level, most extracurriculars are good to go & doing little to increase risks further. Again, maybe you are right & I’m extrapolating the survey because of my biases. I am basing my thoughts on tens of thousands of parent interactions during my career, and the fact that I don't believe they would be that detailed oriented in including sports/extracurriculars in their response to the question "open as usual". Nor do I believe the school district would have that in mind either when creating the survey. Basically, I don't think sports or clubs were even in mind when the question was asked. "As usual" or "as normal" was in comparison to various other options such as full remote learning, partial remote learning, split day schedules to reduce campus numbers (Some students in morning, some in afternoon), every other week schedules to reduce campus numbers, etc. |
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Post by wingtol on Jul 4, 2020 8:51:18 GMT -6
Look it's the internet and of course things go off the rails and in a million directions. I 100% that if there are no sports in the fall schools will feel the effects. Will they close? No. Can it hurt them in state funding? For sure. Will we loose kids to the streets with out sports? 100% yes.
It all goes back to your experiences and your point of reference. Will a school where you have 90% proficiency on state scores, small special ed populations, low poverty rates etc. feel it? Most likely not. Will my schools that are like 35% proficient, 100% free lunch, 100% Title I, 27% special ed etc feel it? With out a doubt yes. I know there are kids right now trying to decide if it's worth them coming back in the fall or keep working 40 hours a week. I know there are kids where I teach and where I coach that if there aren't sports or something for them to look forward to in fall their attendance is gonna fall dramatically, if they keep attending.
You can't lump this all into one basket and say 'You're foolish for thinking this will effect schools in the fall" it's not gonna shut em down but it will hurt already struggling schools. And if those are small schools well they will feel it much more than your huge mega highest classification schools.
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Post by **** on Jul 4, 2020 8:51:20 GMT -6
Everyone thinks 'football' is saving football. Couldn't be farther from the truth. We are talking about a meaningless game in the grand scheme of things. We don't really 'need' to play football but there is a reason everyone in this nation is trying to make it happen. Money. Capitalism is saving football. It's all about money. It is by far the most profitable sport in America. If it wasn't then we wouldn't be playing this fall. We're talking about the economic impact of not playing, not 'we have to play because football saves kids lives by teaching them how to work hard'. The NFL is playing, FBS is playing and in turn, HS will play too. The only thing preventing any of that from happening is Trump shutting everything dow, and I don't see that happening again. How do I know NFL and FBS is playing? I know several coaches at both levels and there is zero sign of them slowing down. The only thing they might do differently is play with limited to no fans. No fans means a 10% revenue cut. No games? Over 50% due to TV contracts. They are playing this fall. Even the media has figured it out already. A couple of points- Coach, right now Capitalism is struggling to save CAPITALISM! The Cruise industry (46 Billion dollar industry), Hotel Industry (216 Billion dollar industry) Restaurant Industry (836 Billion dollar industry) are all facing major challenges. Trump didn't shut anything down. Those were all Local level declarations. Just a point of fact. Of course the coaches you speak of are not slowing down. They have jobs. They are doing their jobs. And as far as not slowing down, the NFL hasn't really started up have they? And there are numerous examples of college athletic programs halting their workouts (football and other sports). I even know more than a handful of HS programs who started Offseason workouts June 8th and already suspended them due to infections. No fans is a MUCH greater than 10% rev cut for college programs. Their TV deals are substantially different than the NFL. Most importantly, why introduce this in a discussion about HS sports? How does "The NFL will play, maybe without fans, because of the money" impact HS districts and state organizations regarding play? And along those lines, how does that have anything to do with "If these schools open up but the state association cancels a sports season, they will close down because none of the students will go to school anyway" argument? Crushed it again. Amazing you don't miss on any of this. Thank you again for helping me see the light. Please continue. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2020 8:51:58 GMT -6
Perhaps. I’d argue they are going to hand-in-hand. Either we are in reopening phases that says school is a go or we aren’t. If school is and kids are already interacting at that level, most extracurriculars are good to go & doing little to increase risks further. Again, maybe you are right & I’m extrapolating the survey because of my biases. I am basing my thoughts on tens of thousands of parent interactions during my career, and the fact that I don't believe they would be that detailed oriented in including sports/extracurriculars in their response to the question "open as usual". Nor do I believe the school district would have that in mind either when creating the survey. Basically, I don't think sports or clubs were even in mind when the question was asked. "As usual" or "as normal" was in comparison to various other options such as full remote learning, partial remote learning, split day schedules to reduce campus numbers (Some students in morning, some in afternoon), every other week schedules to reduce campus numbers, etc. knowing what goes in as usual, not sure how you or anybody else could say that doesn’t include sports. One cannot say as usual then start making exceptions. It is no longer as usual. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 4, 2020 9:03:53 GMT -6
A couple of points- Coach, right now Capitalism is struggling to save CAPITALISM! The Cruise industry (46 Billion dollar industry), Hotel Industry (216 Billion dollar industry) Restaurant Industry (836 Billion dollar industry) are all facing major challenges. Trump didn't shut anything down. Those were all Local level declarations. Just a point of fact. Of course the coaches you speak of are not slowing down. They have jobs. They are doing their jobs. And as far as not slowing down, the NFL hasn't really started up have they? And there are numerous examples of college athletic programs halting their workouts (football and other sports). I even know more than a handful of HS programs who started Offseason workouts June 8th and already suspended them due to infections. No fans is a MUCH greater than 10% rev cut for college programs. Their TV deals are substantially different than the NFL. Most importantly, why introduce this in a discussion about HS sports? How does "The NFL will play, maybe without fans, because of the money" impact HS districts and state organizations regarding play? And along those lines, how does that have anything to do with "If these schools open up but the state association cancels a sports season, they will close down because none of the students will go to school anyway" argument? Crushed it again. Amazing you don't miss on any of this. Thank you again for helping me see the light. Please continue. Seriously? You get all pi$$y because someone calls out your inaccuracies, false statements, overgeneralizations without any actual data or evidence, and points out the illogical leaps from NFL to HS? |
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Post by oldman61 on Jul 4, 2020 10:16:35 GMT -6
Everyone thinks 'football' is saving football. Couldn't be farther from the truth. We are talking about a meaningless game in the grand scheme of things. We don't really 'need' to play football but there is a reason everyone in this nation is trying to make it happen. Money. Capitalism is saving football. It's all about money. It is by far the most profitable sport in America. If it wasn't then we wouldn't be playing this fall. We're talking about the economic impact of not playing, not 'we have to play because football saves kids lives by teaching them how to work hard'. The NFL is playing, FBS is playing and in turn, HS will play too. The only thing preventing any of that from happening is Trump shutting everything dow, and I don't see that happening again. How do I know NFL and FBS is playing? I know several coaches at both levels and there is zero sign of them slowing down. The only thing they might do differently is play with limited to no fans. No fans means a 10% revenue cut. No games? Over 50% due to TV contracts. They are playing this fall. Even the media has figured it out already. Coach you’re 100% correct and what most people don’t seem to understand is any “rainy day fund” State athletic depts had was washed away when They didn’t get the basketball revenue at the end of last winter. Money has been the primary force in people opening states back up too. Nothing has changed, there is no cure as of now. It is all money driven and people willing to put a risk reward equation into place to ovoid a huge depression to the extend of food lines etc like we had pre FDR |
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Post by **** on Jul 4, 2020 10:31:47 GMT -6
Crushed it again. Amazing you don't miss on any of this. Thank you again for helping me see the light. Please continue. Seriously? You get all pi$$y because someone calls out your inaccuracies, false statements, overgeneralizations without any actual data or evidence, and points out the illogical leaps from NFL to HS? I am simply stating you have change my mind. Keep up the good work coach. Look forward to hearing more of your opinions on this. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2020 16:28:57 GMT -6
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Post by wingtol on Jul 7, 2020 18:58:32 GMT -6
Ohio state association also fired their director the day before this came out.
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Post by CS on Jul 7, 2020 19:14:51 GMT -6
Our state association just came out and said we’re playing as planned
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 7, 2020 19:38:18 GMT -6
Our state association just came out and said we’re playing as planned I think politically, that is the smart (and obvious) choice. Right now, "WE PLAY AS PLANNED"... and then if things happen later they can say "we tried everything, but this just won't work. Plus, it is much easier to say "we are a go" and then cancel at the last minute then the other alternatives. |
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Post by 44dlcoach on Jul 7, 2020 20:49:06 GMT -6
Our school suspended all athletic practice for a week. We had a couple members of the same family show some symptoms (fatigue, vomiting) and school decided it was best to shut campus down for the week until we get results back from their tests. Obviously that wouldn't be a viable option in the fall, but for now it's not the end of the world. Hopefully the family involved gets good news here in the next day or so.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 7, 2020 20:52:27 GMT -6
Our school suspended all athletic practice for a week. We had a couple members of the same family show some symptoms (fatigue, vomiting) and school decided it was best to shut campus down for the week until we get results back from their tests. Obviously that wouldn't be a viable option in the fall, but for now it's not the end of the world. Hopefully the family involved gets good news here in the next day or so. That is what I think will be the biggest obstacle to overcome. The idea of "that wouldn't be the viable option" in 4 more weeks. If something is the "right" decision now, shouldn't it be the right decision in October? |
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Post by 44dlcoach on Jul 7, 2020 20:57:50 GMT -6
Our school suspended all athletic practice for a week. We had a couple members of the same family show some symptoms (fatigue, vomiting) and school decided it was best to shut campus down for the week until we get results back from their tests. Obviously that wouldn't be a viable option in the fall, but for now it's not the end of the world. Hopefully the family involved gets good news here in the next day or so. That is what I think will be the biggest obstacle to overcome. The idea of "that wouldn't be the viable option" in 4 more weeks. If something is the "right" decision now, shouldn't it be the right decision in October? Agreed, if one kid getting sick (with or without it being diagnosed as covid) shuts things down for a week, then there's really no point to start. Because every team will have a kid sick at some point in the season, most will have that multiple times. I don't know if this exact same scenario would have shut things down for a week when school is in session or not, because as far as I know (not a teacher) no guidelines or protocols have been established or communicated yet. |
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Post by jg78 on Jul 7, 2020 21:09:55 GMT -6
Our school suspended all athletic practice for a week. We had a couple members of the same family show some symptoms (fatigue, vomiting) and school decided it was best to shut campus down for the week until we get results back from their tests. Obviously that wouldn't be a viable option in the fall, but for now it's not the end of the world. Hopefully the family involved gets good news here in the next day or so. That is what I think will be the biggest obstacle to overcome. The idea of "that wouldn't be the viable option" in 4 more weeks. If something is the "right" decision now, shouldn't it be the right decision in October? Yes, because nothing is going to change between now and then. My question is what's going to happen when one of our players (or even one of us) contracts COVID? That's the burning question and you know it's going to happen with a lot of teams. Will he have to quarantine even if he feels okay? Will the whole team have to quarantine? Will the team have to forfeit the game Friday night? |
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Post by 44dlcoach on Jul 7, 2020 21:26:59 GMT -6
Will all his classmates have to quarantine?
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Post by CS on Jul 8, 2020 3:32:47 GMT -6
That is what I think will be the biggest obstacle to overcome. The idea of "that wouldn't be the viable option" in 4 more weeks. If something is the "right" decision now, shouldn't it be the right decision in October? Yes, because nothing is going to change between now and then. My question is what's going to happen when one of our players (or even one of us) contracts COVID? That's the burning question and you know it's going to happen with a lot of teams. Will he have to quarantine even if he feels okay? Will the whole team have to quarantine? Will the team have to forfeit the game Friday night? I’m not sure if we had this discussion here or in the office at my school. But yeah if someone came back positive everyone including the team you played would have to get tested. That of course takes like 4 or 5 days so you would have a couple of teams have to possibly forfeit |
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Post by wingtol on Jul 8, 2020 6:44:55 GMT -6
What would the costs be to test an entire team?
I keep hearing we need a vaccine! for things to be normal. I'm just wondering....we have a flu shot that millions of people get a year, yet millions of people get the flu every year, people die from flu and flu related problems even with a "shot". If we didn't have the flu shot what would the casualties be? So if there is a corona vaccine will it wipe it out completely? If it doesn't are people still going to act this way? At what point do we have to accept its here and we can live with it? All death is tragic and I know there are side effects as well but when .0005% of the US population has succumbed to this are we going a bit crazy ( I know hospitalization has spiked in some areas)?
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