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Post by 3rdandlong on Aug 16, 2016 22:03:47 GMT -6
It's obvious the boys love Ms Wagner because it's obvious she loves them. It goes to show though that masculine dudes can easily be taken down a peg by a loving woman.
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Post by fantom on Aug 16, 2016 22:14:00 GMT -6
It's obvious the boys love Ms Wagner because it's obvious she loves them. It goes to show though that is masculine dudes can be easily taken down a peg by a loving woman. If you've done this long enough you know that kids will do anything for women who love them. My marriage proposal stands. |
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Post by craines10 on Aug 18, 2016 12:10:28 GMT -6
Loved that sign. The players and Coach Arians are all very quotable as well. I am using the "excuses will always be there opportunity won't" quote this year I Already have! lol |
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Post by agame on Aug 18, 2016 12:57:21 GMT -6
Season 2 confirmed.. Should be a good watch!
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Post by coachgrob on Aug 18, 2016 13:01:48 GMT -6
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Post by leighty on Aug 18, 2016 13:59:45 GMT -6
Little late to the party, but Buddy Stephens is a piece of {censored}.
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Post by sweep26 on Aug 18, 2016 15:18:06 GMT -6
I am curious...Of the coaches that have responded on this thread, are any of you current, or former JUCO coaches?
I was a JUCO head coach for 10 years, loved every minute of it. We certainly did not have the facilities, funds, etc. that EMCC obviously has.
99% of the kids that we had were great kids, on and off of the field. Like most JUCO's, we had a mix of kids...some were late maturing physically, some were from smaller HS's (thus they were under exposed), and of course there were those that were under-prepared academically. Regardless of where they came from or why they came there, the one thing that they all had in common was that they were all highly motivated...they all wanted to play at the next level. Many of those kids ended up going on to D-I schools..a couple even ended up eventually becoming NFL All-Pro selections. Those that didn't go to D-I schools still got scholarship offers to continue their education at smaller schools. We had a lot of very talented athletes, and we won a lot of games (even won one NJCAA National Championship).
What we didn't have was any of the prima donna types, like a couple of those EMCC kids apparently were...one of the main reasons was probably the fact that we were a minimally funded program, thus we were not an attractive landing place for those types (being poor is not all bad).
Junior College football is awesome!! It provides a tremendous need, both academically and athletically, for many, many youngsters!!
Needles to say, all JUCO football programs are not the same. Like nearly every other phase of education...it is a people business.
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Post by 19delta on Aug 18, 2016 19:51:04 GMT -6
It's obvious the boys love Ms Wagner because it's obvious she loves them. It goes to show though that masculine dudes can easily be taken down a peg by a loving woman. The fact that she is smoking hot can't hurt. |
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Post by rsmith627 on Aug 18, 2016 19:55:40 GMT -6
It's obvious the boys love Ms Wagner because it's obvious she loves them. It goes to show though that masculine dudes can easily be taken down a peg by a loving woman. The fact that she is smoking hot can't hurt. We all know the P is undefeated, even if it isn't obtainable. These guys (most of them) come from bad backgrounds. I think anytime any woman shows them that they care, they will strive to please. Always exceptions, but that's my 2 pesos. |
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Post by groundchuck on Aug 18, 2016 20:54:41 GMT -6
Wow.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2016 19:39:37 GMT -6
I just started this.
Was it just me, or did Buddy Stephens seem like the inspiration for Kenny Powers?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2016 8:31:50 GMT -6
I'm not really sure where the disconnect is coming from what I'm writing and how you're taking it, but I'll try again here. If there was a non-school avenue and all I see about this kid is that he's talented, plays his butt off, works hard at practice, weight room, coaches and teammates have good things to say about him, etc. why wouldn't I "risk millions on him"? I'm not saying that kids at colleges shouldn't have to do the work, I'm saying that in pretty much every other sport in the world there's a path to professional play that doesn't involve being required to get a higher education. Yeah. Totally agreed. Under the current system, the way it works is that a kid can exchange his skill as a football player for a free college education. Well, that's great if what the kid is interested in is a free college education. But for kids who don't want a college education but still want to pursue a professional football career, there is no avenue. For those kids, there should be some kind of competitive track they can take that is parallel to the traditional NCAA route. For those kids, any kind of college track makes no sense. That would require an NFL farm system, similar to what MLB has, that would pay 18+ year olds $25k a year or something to go play minor league football, whether it's here or in other countries. However, there's not. Why? Because the NFL has found that it's not economically viable. World League Football, NFL Europe, etc. have all failed because people won't pay to see that. In the USA, the NCAA and even the NAIA offers a better product that fills the same niche, but it is still nominally an organization to govern college affiliated teams of college student-athletes who theoretically participate in athletics as extra-curricular activities in addition to their college education. In foreign countries, there just isn't enough interest in football to keep those leagues afloat. So... the idea of an NFL farm system for kids who can't hack it in athletics is not viable. These kids need to face the reality that if they want to get to that level, they need to play college football. If they want to play college football, they need to play by the NCAA rules, which include academic regulations to make sure they're able to be marginal students at their chosen schools and not just "ringers" the schools bring in to win games and make money via sports. If you want to make the argument that the NCAA isn't really about academics and it should be ok for colleges to just hire people to play football for them without academic pressures, that's a separate issue, but the organization itself has created its own rules about those things. Just because guys want to play football for a career doesn't mean they should be given a football career. |
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Post by wiscoach on Aug 20, 2016 20:34:27 GMT -6
I'm on the third episode.
Do these guys even do Indy drills?
All you see is team o team d
Maybe at this level you are just expected to know how to execute.
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Post by coachd5085 on Aug 20, 2016 20:43:46 GMT -6
I'm on the third episode. Do these guys even do Indy drills? All you see is team o team d Maybe at this level you are just expected to know how to execute. But at the SEC, PAC 12, Big 12, Big 10, ACC etc you are not? Because they do Indy It probably is just not how it was edited. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2016 20:46:29 GMT -6
I'm on the third episode. Do these guys even do Indy drills? All you see is team o team d Maybe at this level you are just expected to know how to execute. But at the SEC, PAC 12, Big 12, Big 10, ACC etc you are not? Because they do Indy It probably is just not how it was edited. Duck walking does not make for compelling television. |
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Post by wolverine55 on Apr 15, 2017 10:57:51 GMT -6
I'm on the last episode now as I finally started watching it just earlier this week. Maybe my opinion will change once I get through this last one, but the players have a right to be pissed at the HC. He blamed their lack of control for costing them a shot at the championship when he does very little to model composure and mental toughness himself. The show and series as a whole is good and well-done. Makes me glad I don't coach college football...
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Post by wolverine55 on Apr 16, 2017 6:28:17 GMT -6
I couldn't find the exact post I was looking for to quote, but someone earlier in this thread had a good point on the editing. You do get the impression that John Franklin III rarely played before the last game...yet if you google his stats for the season, you'll see that in 8.5 games he attempted 110 passes and had 43 rush attempts for 16 total TDs. I'll watch the youtube versions at some point to see if it changes my impressions at all.
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Post by benloe on Apr 16, 2017 8:55:39 GMT -6
I also wondered if the HC's approach was due to the fact that he had a lot of tough kids on the team and that was the style that ithose kids best responded to. Or maybe the HC is just kind of an a$$hole. I'm sure the coach coaches in the way that he believes gets the most out of his players athletically. Not too sure he's all that concerned with developing young (troubled?) men. |
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Post by benloe on Apr 16, 2017 9:08:03 GMT -6
I don't think that is necessarily a bad thing. There is an agreement between the coaching staff at a place like EMCC and the players...win championships for the school and the school will do everything it can to get kids a scholarship. As long as that happens, there aren't going to be any issues. ------------------------------- I do think that there should be a parallel route to the NFL for some of these kids. Clearly, a lot of them were simply not motivated to get a free education. For these kids, it was the NFL, boom or bust. And again...I don't think that is necessarily a bad thing. There should be some kind of NFL "minor league" in which kids who are not motivated academically can still compete at a high level and have a chance to move on to play professionally. Of course, the NCAA would resist that effort as it would deprive them of the monopoly on talented athletes. "I get what I want, and you get what you want." - Coach Kilmer (Varsity Blues) Ugh, I have no idea how how people end up as "transaction coaches". You have to invest too many hours of work to get the opportunity to coach at a relatively high level. What's your motivation if you don't really care about your players? ------------------------------- Not all people are capable of attaining a degree - it's supposed to be hard. I agree that not being academically gifted shouldn't keep you from getting the opportunity to play football at a high level. |
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Post by Spread 'em out on Apr 17, 2017 18:12:22 GMT -6
I read a whole lot of posts that criticized Buddy's language and approach with the players, and rightfully so. Fun fact, His oldest daughter is a close friend of my little sister (She went to EMCC) and was actually one of my sister's bridesmaids about a year ago. At the wedding I met Coach Stephens for the first time, and he was nice enough to me but we didn't talk for long. Since the show was released my sister told me that Buddy's daughters and wife watched the show and sat down with him and expressed their concern over his language and treatment of players along with the hypocrissy of a lot of his actions. I have heard from friends that are currently enrolled at EMCC (I'm from starkville, EMCC is the regional JUCO for us) and fans that Buddy toned it down significantly this past season. Season 2 might not have quite the "shock value" that the first one did.
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Post by 19delta on Jul 21, 2017 7:44:54 GMT -6
Season 2 was just released.
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Post by dubber on Jul 21, 2017 8:25:27 GMT -6
But at the SEC, PAC 12, Big 12, Big 10, ACC etc you are not? Because they do Indy It probably is just not how it was edited. Duck walking does not make for compelling television. Speak for yourself |
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Post by 19delta on Jul 21, 2017 9:41:10 GMT -6
I read a whole lot of posts that criticized Buddy's language and approach with the players, and rightfully so. Fun fact, His oldest daughter is a close friend of my little sister (She went to EMCC) and was actually one of my sister's bridesmaids about a year ago. At the wedding I met Coach Stephens for the first time, and he was nice enough to me but we didn't talk for long. Since the show was released my sister told me that Buddy's daughters and wife watched the show and sat down with him and expressed their concern over his language and treatment of players along with the hypocrissy of a lot of his actions. I have heard from friends that are currently enrolled at EMCC (I'm from starkville, EMCC is the regional JUCO for us) and fans that Buddy toned it down significantly this past season. Season 2 might not have quite the "shock value" that the first one did. Just watched Episode 1 of Season 2. Buddy is trying but, at the end of the day, he is who he is. |
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Post by option1 on Jul 22, 2017 5:21:08 GMT -6
I'm wondering if some posters here think heaven is unobtainable bc of foul language.
It's a no win situation in many aspects. The entire system enables all of the players and coaches actions. I'd like to see a permanent ban from the NCAA for specific and multiple violations. Attitudes would change from the top down in all phases.
Maybe there should be an alternative means to conceive the desired product. Education is the last thing on many of the players and coaches minds so why continuously dangle that carrot? An IMG Academy format on a trade level could work (see IMG Academy, Florida). What a farse to our HS education system. Anyway, The NFL could easily sponsor it and actually give back to society. Your not good enough to play in the NFL and not qualified or care about school, great, finish here and go be a fireman, electrician, serve in the military, etc.
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Post by fantom on Jul 22, 2017 5:46:01 GMT -6
I'm wondering if some posters here think heaven is unobtainable bc of foul language. It's a no win situation in many aspects. The entire system enables all of the players and coaches actions. I'd like to see a permanent ban from the NCAA for specific and multiple violations. Attitudes would change from the top down in all phases. Maybe there should be an alternative means to conceive the desired product. Education is the last thing on many of the players and coaches minds so why continuously dangle that carrot? An IMG Academy format on a trade level could work (see IMG Academy, Florida). What a farse to our HS education system. Anyway, The NFL could easily sponsor it and actually give back to society. Your not good enough to play in the NFL and not qualified or care about school, great, finish here and go be a fireman, electrician, serve in the military, etc. 1. I'm not in Heaven's Admissions Department so I won't comment. 2. What violations? 3. The NFL is a private enterprise. Why would they sponsor anything like that? |
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Post by option1 on Jul 22, 2017 6:38:20 GMT -6
I'm wondering if some posters here think heaven is unobtainable bc of foul language. It's a no win situation in many aspects. The entire system enables all of the players and coaches actions. I'd like to see a permanent ban from the NCAA for specific and multiple violations. Attitudes would change from the top down in all phases. Maybe there should be an alternative means to conceive the desired product. Education is the last thing on many of the players and coaches minds so why continuously dangle that carrot? An IMG Academy format on a trade level could work (see IMG Academy, Florida). What a farse to our HS education system. Anyway, The NFL could easily sponsor it and actually give back to society. Your not good enough to play in the NFL and not qualified or care about school, great, finish here and go be a fireman, electrician, serve in the military, etc. 1. I'm not in Heaven's Admissions Department so I won't comment. 2. What violations? 3. The NFL is a private enterprise. Why would they sponsor anything like that? 1. Just saying, there are several post citing hypocrisy. Many of them were referencing dropping F-bombs one mment and waiving a bible the next. 2. (1.) Any 3 strike violation (UGA player - Marijuana), (2.) Specific title 9 infractions. These types of things. I'm sorry but punching a female is not a "stupid mistake". Oh, it was alcohol related, and your under age? Well there's 3 violations right there, you're done anyway! 3. This could be a long answer, but in short, because the NFL is a private enterprise. Aren't private enterprises profit seeking by way of the best product possible? I think we can all agree that there are MANY, MANY athletes that are not legitimate students. Why do they exist? Because the NCAA is looking for the best product also. For historical reasons and the draft rules the NCAA (college sports) is the NFL's R&D department. If college sports ceased to exist, do you think the NFL would close shop? No. Are they going to put 18 year old kids on the field? Not for the most part. I could go on but hopefully you see the point. The part of my original post about alternatives was in reference to other post suggesting something similar. By en large I believe everyone's "product" would be just fine without the few that tarnish the system. But that just begs the question of why bother with them to begin with. Does a kid who can't read on a HS level deserve paper from North Carolina, or anywhere for that matter? Why in the heck is there a sliding scale for athletes, among so many other exceptions? The answer is easily traceable and for the most part has nothing to do with "saving lives", or opportunity. IMO, there is a trickle down effect all the way to small ball parents and coaches. Last Chance U puts making the sausage on display and magnifies the inherent problems of the entire system. |
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Post by groundchuck on Jul 22, 2017 11:17:32 GMT -6
Watching Season 2 now.
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Post by agame on Jul 22, 2017 14:58:37 GMT -6
Season 2 was very good!
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Post by fantom on Jul 22, 2017 16:03:28 GMT -6
1. I'm not in Heaven's Admissions Department so I won't comment. 2. What violations? 3. The NFL is a private enterprise. Why would they sponsor anything like that? 1. Just saying, there are several post citing hypocrisy. Many of them were referencing dropping F-bombs one mment and waiving a bible the next. 2. (1.) Any 3 strike violation (UGA player - Marijuana), (2.) Specific title 9 infractions. These types of things. I'm sorry but punching a female is not a "stupid mistake". Oh, it was alcohol related, and your under age? Well there's 3 violations right there, you're done anyway! 3. This could be a long answer, but in short, because the NFL is a private enterprise. Aren't private enterprises profit seeking by way of the best product possible? I think we can all agree that there are MANY, MANY athletes that are not legitimate students. Why do they exist? Because the NCAA is looking for the best product also. For historical reasons and the draft rules the NCAA (college sports) is the NFL's R&D department. If college sports ceased to exist, do you think the NFL would close shop? No. Are they going to put 18 year old kids on the field? Not for the most part. I could go on but hopefully you see the point. The part of my original post about alternatives was in reference to other post suggesting something similar. By en large I believe everyone's "product" would be just fine without the few that tarnish the system. But that just begs the question of why bother with them to begin with. Does a kid who can't read on a HS level deserve paper from North Carolina, or anywhere for that matter? Why in the heck is there a sliding scale for athletes, among so many other exceptions? The answer is easily traceable and for the most part has nothing to do with "saving lives", or opportunity. IMO, there is a trickle down effect all the way to small ball parents and coaches. Last Chance U puts making the sausage on display and magnifies the inherent problems of the entire system. What kinds of violations should count against the three-strike rule? I still don't understand why NFL trams should spend their money for something that they get for free. |
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Post by option1 on Jul 22, 2017 16:38:51 GMT -6
If you break any rule 3 times in what I consider a privileged community, you're out.
The NFL shouldn't spend their money as long as they get it for free. It was all hypothetical.
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