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Post by coachd5085 on May 1, 2024 19:11:03 GMT -6
I think it’s important to realize that highschoolers considering those schools for the most part are not going to just”Focus on Ball”. a problem that we would have is a kid gets accepted to play, never shows up and decides it's not for him there is not a scholarship to take away Yep. When I was coaching 1AA ball up in the Southern North East (Or Northen Mid Atlantic lol) every once in a while Harvard, on the basis of its big name, would beat out a kid also being recruited by Stanford, Michigan, UCLA etc. Interestingly enough, coaching buddies that were in the Ivy League were never really that concerned because the prevailing wisdom was that if a kid chose Harvard over Michigan/Stanford/UCLA etc, then football wasn't really that important to him.
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Post by coachd5085 on May 1, 2024 6:37:12 GMT -6
How do you think the football staffs at Columbia and Yale are going to handle recruiting with all this protesting? Is it a situation where you can just say focus on BALL? I think it’s important to realize that highschoolers considering those schools for the most part are not going to just”Focus on Ball”.
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Post by coachd5085 on Apr 8, 2024 19:58:16 GMT -6
I’m not real sure what you’re complaining about? I don't know man, I pretty much spelled it out word for word and didn't beat around the bush haha But, to rehash: Ironman said: "you'd have to be good at coaching different for it to make e difference, no? Being different doesn't work without knowledge of the scheme and how to communicate it. I know guys that run single wing as a 'package' but sucked at teaching it which means it didn't work. But Darlington has made it work everywhere" Basically, that says Darlington is better at coaching the single wing than some other guys, that's not a controversial take. Pretty self-explanatory and evident, right? So then my question, and yes complaint is, if that's not a controversial take and is evident, why then do people (including on here before as well as other places) get their underwear in a knot and always gotta argue when someone says "Hey so and so is better at coaching this and knows better than some other people on this", or someone says "Hey this is a better way of doing it than this other way", I've literally seen people, including ON THIS BOARD, try to say that there are no better-than-other ways, and basically that all methods, tactics, techniques, schemes, etc are all created equal. I'm sorry man but it just annoys the fk out of me. Because those discussions are generally about schematics. What makes Someone like Darlington, JT Curtis, etc "better coaches" is not what lines they draw on the whiteboard, but how they go about teaching and implementing what THEY believe in. They go about teaching and implementing their ideas about football better than other coaches do.
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Post by coachd5085 on Apr 8, 2024 11:44:30 GMT -6
He’s just gonna argue with you and do it his way. Doesn’t really matter that your points are good. No, I'm looking for informed advice. I've never had a team where the play calls were done modular style -- except partly modular if you go by the digits of a 3-digit play call. But I've often thought they should have been modular, especially if we were flipping formation left and right. The pro is that modular allows the players to easily extract what they need for their assignment, and allows a complete range of the possible combinations. The con is that many of the possible combinations would never be used. But I'm thinking we'd want to use more combinations than you might think. For instance, I'd like to use motion away from the play as a diversion a lot. (For instance, rocket motion away from belly -- sacrifice the lead blocker for misdirection.) And since the default for most of the tags would be null, only a few possible play combinations would be lengthy. You want too many tools. Everyone keeps telling you this. pick a few tools and do it. And then see how it works. You can add more next year- But planning for all of this in year one of your first ever attempt at doing this is just stubborn to the detriment of the children Trust me, I think every coach here “gets it”. We would all love to be able to have vast tools to use. I am struggling with the same thing on my quest. SOOOO MANY fun possibilities. But I know if I try and execute- we will be less successful than if I keep it much smaller I have choices to make. One of the cruel irony of those that enjoy the schematics of football is that when you have the ability to be extremely multiple, most of the time your talent doesn’t require it and when your talent is such that you want to try to use many different tools, they usually are not good enough to execute.
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Post by coachd5085 on Apr 7, 2024 16:18:17 GMT -6
Because my aim is to implement a modular play call system, and it's just a matter of advice as to what's the maximum number of tags that could be expected to put on a play, so I can determine just how long to attempt. I'm not scuttling the idea of a modular play call system, since others have done it, just determining its limit. I'm not taking "0" for an answer! This is ultimately the problem. Rather than your aim being to coach 10 year olds to a successful football season, your aim is as stated above. That is the source of the pushback from all the coaches. They are trying to steer you on the right path. Let them. Instead of pursuing the limit of the modular system, explore a different approach.
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Post by coachd5085 on Mar 23, 2024 8:59:29 GMT -6
So the key here is determining if you are trying to teach him Defense, or Your Defense and then plan accordingly. For practical purposes- it seems obvious that the latter is the better choice, while slowly working towards the more general goal.
Have you read “Coaching team defense” by Fritz Shurmur? If not you two should both read.
Sit down and think about EXACTLY what you would want/need him to do- and then focus on that. If you try and teach everything-it will likely be a fruitless endeavor.
As far as your defensive scheme- I believe drawing scout cards is probably the best way to learn your scheme. Give him a sheet with your terms for offensive formations. Start with your base front and coverage Create a script : 1. 1st and 10 - left hash OFF- Deuce right split. DEF call Eagle field 5 2. 1st and 10 middle OFF - PRO Denver DEF Eagle field 5 3. 1st and 10 RT hash OFF - spread trips right. EAGLE field 5
Etc. This process will help you identify the base checks necessary- and will demonstrate why as he draws them up
The goal would be to work up to things like
1. 1st and 10 - Left Hash- Deuce Right split- zac motion 37 OZ. Defensive call “eagle field sizzle 5”. Then have him draw it all up. First draw up Deuce right split. Then have him draw the defense. Then have him draw the little sqiggly line showing the zac motion, then have him draw lines to show the defensive reaction to that. Then have him draw the 37 Oz blocking scheme.
This provides several benefits- 1 learning the scheme inside and out, 2 teaching how to perform an important task that will contribute to the program, 3 you have scout cards pre made if you ever need them (although I believe greatly in the value of drawing them by hand freshly based on the new scripts)
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Post by coachd5085 on Mar 20, 2024 12:23:38 GMT -6
Keep in mind that for almost the eternity of college football, a coach could do exactly this as well.
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Post by coachd5085 on Mar 19, 2024 19:04:08 GMT -6
Because he still has to be a student at the university ?? Right now, take away football, and this is no different than many students who start school one place, transfer to another, and then transfer back (for whatever reason). What I would want to know is if the player in question is attending classes at Iowa, and maintaining eligibility. When a player "enters the transfer portal" or announces a transfer, that doesn't mean he is packing up the apartment or dorm room and leaving that day.
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Post by coachd5085 on Mar 18, 2024 6:20:22 GMT -6
It sounds like coaches are doing a lot more in Off-Season and less In-Season. Our offense was pretty much installed before the first "two a days" practice. Not that we did a lot of stuff over the summer. We only installed stuff at our two 3-4 day camps (2 hrs a night for maybe a total of 12 hours- 6 for offense, 6 for D) and on Monday nights for an hour in the offseason. We didn't have that big of a playbook. It still seems like almost a week and a half of actual practice in the summertime correct?
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Post by coachd5085 on Mar 17, 2024 12:05:46 GMT -6
2010 was last time we had any two-a-days. Besides their being rules in Illinois about practice time, teachers and or students always go back at some point the first week of practice in our district. This year teachers are back on the first official day of practice. Also, we spend 25 days in summer practicing, mostly in shells. Gosh- 25 days in shells is essentially six weeks of in-season practice
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Post by coachd5085 on Mar 16, 2024 5:22:35 GMT -6
I think they died out in my area when the return to school date for teachers/coaches got within a few days of the official first practice. Last year I believe students had already returned to classes on the official first day of practice (which was August 7th)
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Post by coachd5085 on Mar 7, 2024 19:03:37 GMT -6
C'mon men. When you get right down to brass tacks there is only ONE common denominator that has created this entire F'ing mess. GREED! For the love of Mike it has come down to just that! Used to be it was about the team, the team, the team. Not anymore. Our sport is hemorrhaging because the word "WE" has been replaced by too much I, ME, MINE. The networks and their lure of money have contributed greatly to this whole picture because of THEIR OWN greed! Entertainment = GREED. Super Conferences = GREED. Playoffs = GREED. Transfer Portal = GREED. NIL = GREED. Coaches in today's world are dealing with a complete different kind of animal, and older coaches like Saban aren't willing to put up with it and are getting out because of it. I would venture to guess that guys like PJ would be included in that group. Longevity in being a college head football coach has always been tough, but now...likely aren't going to see many (if any) of those guys anymore. As long as you are preaching about greed...don't forget the coaches probably have had more greedy actions than others on your list.
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Post by coachd5085 on Mar 6, 2024 19:13:15 GMT -6
Football is dying from the ground up. Boxing died out and baseball has been dying because societal values change among generations. Increasingly, more and more kids could give two craps about football. It may not die in my lifetime, but eventually football will not be the #1 sport in America. The country is changing, and our tastes in sports will change with it. The television numbers don't support that but... I guess only time will tell. Keep in mind M4 that the television numbers are current. Many here are talking about what may happen in the future, should college football become football teams licensing college colors and mascots.
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Post by coachd5085 on Mar 6, 2024 18:35:39 GMT -6
No, there still will be college teams, but there is a possibility that it will be more of the FCS calliaber players at the Purdue's. While the top tier players go straight into minors (just like baseball is now type). I don't think college football will die, just what we think of when we think college football will change. If they can somehow keep the majority of people still perceiving it as college football, it will be fine or even better. This is the key right here. As I mentioned above... they have ALWAYS played "exhibition" games on January 1st. But once playoff games were made official, now those exhibition games are often referred to as meaningless. There is definitely a non zero chance that interest will wain if the players just become paid athletes that are part of a team licensing mascot and colors from a University.
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Post by coachd5085 on Mar 6, 2024 5:44:57 GMT -6
there's no way college football ever dies, all that will happen is instead of 3 divisions there will eventually be 4 or 5, just like how english soccer eventually had the premier league break off for the best teams, there will be division 3, 2 and 1 and premier more people will still watch premier league college football, some will watch D1 and D1AA (just like how people watching FCS today but not as much) and then fewer will watch D2 and D3 which are basically regionalized / local people initially won't like it because its different but eventually those people will tune in / buy tickets because people always do... But here is the difference- English soccer is a professional sports endeavor. “College” football is not. I believe there will be unintended and unforeseen consequences of 30 schools having a pro sports team affiliated with their university, while other schools dont.
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Post by coachd5085 on Mar 6, 2024 5:40:41 GMT -6
there's no way college football ever dies, all that will happen is instead of 3 divisions there will eventually be 4 or 5, just like how english soccer eventually had the premier league break off for the best teams, there will be division 3, 2 and 1 and premier more people will still watch premier league college football, some will watch D1 and D1AA (just like how people watching FCS today but not as much) and then fewer will watch D2 and D3 which are basically regionalized / local people initially won't like it because its different but eventually those people will tune in / buy tickets because people always do... I don't think that anyone is suggesting that it will die. But, as soon as fans think it is more minor league football than it is college football, it won't bring in the same money or have the same enthusiasm. AND as soon as the NFL realizes this and decides to play on SATURDAYS and Sundays... Uh oh The NFL may have to win a court case to play on Saturdays during the college season.
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Post by coachd5085 on Mar 5, 2024 20:10:26 GMT -6
I don’t know if I would consider roster management the definition of pure football. But it is the level apparently with the most cohesive roster management program. One of the purest forms of football is playing with the people you’re supposed to be playing with, and getting those players within the rules. By far that most commonly happens in the NFL compared to the other levels. I am not really sure what "supposed to" means relative to this. Are certain humans ordained to be football players at certain locations? I think one could make an argument that in some ways, college football is pure in this regard, as now athletes can choose to attend say University of Southern Mississippi for their freshman year, transfer to Memphis their Jr. Year, and then pursue graduate work at Florida, just like any other student. Obviously the purity might dwindle a bit if one examines the actual nature of their academic efforts...
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Post by coachd5085 on Mar 5, 2024 16:42:06 GMT -6
I don’t know if I would consider roster management the definition of pure football. But it is the level apparently with the most cohesive roster management program.
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Post by coachd5085 on Mar 5, 2024 10:58:56 GMT -6
I have said this before, but when it becomes the NFL lite, how is it different from the USFL or XFL? That nobody watches. As less and less, especially men are going to college and the big money donors are dying off, I believe interest will wane. I watched the least NFL football ever this year. Super Bowl was only game I watched all of. Watched a little of the AFC champ game, maybe a quarter. Honestly, kind of regretted the Super Bowl. Commercials stunk but at least it was a good game, down to the last play in OT. If you take away the rivalries, traditions, and the fact that the regular season matters and it becomes like other pro sports, I think they will surge with interest like silkyice said with the new playoff and eventually the new "league" but it will drop off after that. I love college football. My #1 hobby. I love it. Watched less this year and will continue to, because it is not college football anymore, and apparently will continue to decrease to be like it each year. I think they are mining for gold and digging their own grave at the same time. I agree. They are the business world equivalent of a company potentially sacrificing its long-term future for short term profits There is another side to this, that doesn’t get nearly the attention as the NIL or pay the players narrative: That if Joe Burrow, J’marr chase, Justin Jefferson etc all played for the Baton Rouge Rough Riders semi pro team on Saturday nights at a public park, and a bunch of other guys were wearing white and gold in Tiger stadium, the people would go watch the other guys.
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Post by coachd5085 on Mar 5, 2024 9:58:32 GMT -6
I think one of the biggest issues that no one really is discussing is “what is college football” going forward. If the employee model takes hold, is that “college football” anymore. Will college football lose its allure when it is officially not played by students who are “in class” like I am/was. If it’simply becomes a professional sports organization loosely affiliated to a university because the players are licensed to wear the school colors and apparel, does it keep its place? Look at the once majestic bowl system. They’ve always been exhibition games, just like many major college football players have always been “wink wink nudge nudge” students. But once they were officially declared exhibitions compared to the playoff games- the majesty is gone. What happens to college football when the “ Wink, wink nudge nudge” is gone? I am just being an old guy, but I really worry that college football could drop off big time because of this. The 12 team playoff is coming at just the right time to maybe generate some more excitement to "gloss" over what is happening. The moment college football becomes more like basketball's "G" league or baseball's minor leagues, it will never be the same. AND the MONEY will evaporate. I don’t know if you were being “the old guy” at all. I think it is absolutely a very pragmatic way to look at it. It really is heading towards an NFL structure but anyone who thinks the quality of play matches NFL games is kidding themselves.
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Post by coachd5085 on Mar 4, 2024 19:27:08 GMT -6
can we get a link please? great topic for general offense if whatever tier school wants to win, then option is the way if they really care about winning thesuperstations.com/the-bill-shanks-show-paul-johnson-interview-2-23-24/That is a link to the original interview that is referenced on the youtube channel that mugwump mentions. It has no place in the general offensive section, as it does not really talk about his offense other than a few minutes at the end. A brief synopsis : 1) a little talk about how he got out at the right time 2) talk about how his successor told lies about the program under PJ 3) a little bit about his start at Georgia State. 4) a little bit about misconceptions of his offense. (maybe 3 minutes)
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Post by coachd5085 on Mar 4, 2024 18:55:55 GMT -6
There are multiple instances of players already being engaged before the snap in the Liberty Hill video too. I think it is a little bush league to be honest. it is awesome push the boundaries and be different than all the cookie cutter stuff It's cheating. The same as "pushing the boundaries" by sending offensive lineman downfield on RPOs because the officials in HS can't keep up with the 3 yard rule.
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Post by coachd5085 on Mar 4, 2024 17:18:53 GMT -6
I think one of the biggest issues that no one really is discussing is “what is college football” going forward. If the employee model takes hold, is that “college football” anymore. Will college football lose its allure when it is officially not played by students who are “in class” like I am/was. If it’simply becomes a professional sports organization loosely affiliated to a university because the players are licensed to wear the school colors and apparel, does it keep its place?
Look at the once majestic bowl system. They’ve always been exhibition games, just like many major college football players have always been “wink wink nudge nudge” students. But once they were officially declared exhibitions compared to the playoff games- the majesty is gone.
What happens to college football when the “ Wink, wink nudge nudge” is gone?
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Post by coachd5085 on Mar 3, 2024 17:26:21 GMT -6
I still don’t think it’s the case that it’s necessarily any easier for other programs as “the big boys“ have had a 40 year head-start since the NCAA versus board of regents of Oklahoma University to build a foundation and cultivate a culture where groups of people are willing and excited to bankroll a sport that is associated with a university Also, the current landscape is very much like an industry, with weak antitrust laws in which the largest competitors will simply take the assets of smaller upstarts The 40 year head start is EXACTLY why it is easier now more than ever. I am not saying easy or doable. Easier. Just saying there is one factor that now outweighs all other factors by a mile. Factors like coaching, facilities, tradition, conference, being on tv, ability to compete for championships, etc. all still matter. But pale in comparison to just paying a kid more than another school will. If for some reason Elon Musk decides to be a Georgia Tech mega fam and spend 1 billion on the best players for them, they will be the greatest team of ALL TIME next year. I understand what you are saying, but I disagree, because that 40 year Headstart was to specifically develop the institutions and culture that exist right now that have them in the position that they are in. It ISN’T about the money. It is about having created a culture where those others are willing to bankroll a professional sports team that is loosely affiliated with a University. Saying that “Elon Musk could go bankroll GA Tech and they would be the greatest team ever” isn’t really a thing anymore than saying “if an alien with superhuman powers was secretly living among us and enrolled at GA tech they could have the best season in history”. Also, not really sure what this conversation/thread has to do with General Offensive football.
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Post by coachd5085 on Mar 3, 2024 10:27:09 GMT -6
Not quite. The schools can't pay a dime. The schools need to find others to pay. Correct. By school, I meant school, fan base, donors, etc. I still don’t think it’s the case that it’s necessarily any easier for other programs as “the big boys“ have had a 40 year head-start since the NCAA versus board of regents of Oklahoma University to build a foundation and cultivate a culture where groups of people are willing and excited to bankroll a sport that is associated with a university Also, the current landscape is very much like an industry, with weak antitrust laws in which the largest competitors will simply take the assets of smaller upstarts
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Post by coachd5085 on Mar 2, 2024 14:11:28 GMT -6
The question is how does GT (And a lot of other schools that presently belong to Power 5 conferences) fit into the emerging model of D.1 football? Here is my weird take. I think it is now EASIER for any team to fit. If they just decide to spend the money on the players. It was harder in the last 30 years for teams to fit because you couldn't keep up with all the factors. Now, it is just pay the players more. The question is if the school is willing to pay. Not quite. The schools can't pay a dime. The schools need to find others to pay.
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 27, 2024 7:02:52 GMT -6
The best program to ever do it really pushed the "set for 1 second" rule. DLS cadence is Down Set Hit But it is more like Down..... SetHIT The snap is on HIT but they move on Set When we coached against them, we had our DL go on Set haha In practice, the scout OL and DL were engaged before the ball was snapped constantly... It helped and neither team ever got called haha There are multiple instances of players already being engaged before the snap in the Liberty Hill video too. I think it is a little bush league to be honest.
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 18, 2024 12:29:52 GMT -6
Appears to me there was a mishandled fake. Ball was on the ground (or laying on the guard). FB was knocked to the ground (good coaching by Hutto). FB seeing the ball grabbed it and took off...snip.... Nah coach, that isn't what happens at all. FB gets the ball on a trap. Gets stuffed and brought to the ground. Refs, presumably concerned about stopping a play are slow to blow a whistle, and apparently loose track of the ball. FB doesn't hear a whistle, stands up and runs for a touchdown after being tackled behind the line of scrimmage.
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 18, 2024 12:04:49 GMT -6
Rather than quoting so much stuff, maybe I should start the story over and explain more about the circumstances. 2023 was a tough one for us. Tim hadn't coached football since his mid-season stroke (which he suffered at an unusually young age) in 2021. However, our 2022 HC (whose ideas were more in line with mine) had retired as his son graduated into high school, and we were able to put a "Varsity" division team together using an unusually large proportion who were either rookies or hadn't played in a few years. I had wanted to be HC that year, but I'd just had an atrial ablation procedure from which recovery took a long time, so I couldn't commit to coaching until the last minute, when the team and most of the rest of the staff had been formed. Tim last said he planned to go down a couple of years in age to coach another son of his. I don't see what this has to do with any of the discussion. Are you trying to provide context you feel explains the o-fer season? This seems sensible. I believe THIS is where you should be spending your time right now. What is your practice plan template? Have this down to the minute, including transition times, water breaks, etc. What skills will you teach? What will the scope and sequence of your instruction be? How will you teach the skills? What EXACTLY will the drills look like, meaning where will people be, what will everyone be doing (other coaches, kids, etc). Who will be doing the instruction? What are the key cues necessary? How do you plan to coach the coaches? Do you plan on demonstrating to the whole group? How will you ensure that the kids get reps against the most equivalent competition? How many reps do you feel will be necessary- How long will that take based on the other answers you have given here etc. etc. ? Last things first, I think that plan for 10 year olds on a team you have never led (you have never led any team have you) is likely trying to be cute for the sake of trying to be cute. So you want to be Wing T? Perfect. Pick a Series BUCK-- Bucksweep, Trap, Waggle, Crisscross (WB trap/counter) OR (not and) Belly - Belly weak/strong, HB Counter, Belly Keep/Pass - and I would probably add in Rocket OR Jet to this. On both passes, have 1 deep route 1 short route. Progression is deep, short, run. Add a simple drop back pass and QB Sneak. It will take you much longer than you think to actually get proficient at these. If your kids down block well, kickout well, protect the football- your offense will be fine. On defense rep "get off" and pad level, Violent contact (either forearm or hands), attacking down hill and maintaining leverage. Tackling. You will be fine.
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 18, 2024 10:27:12 GMT -6
If you want to see CFB played by real student-athletes, go to games at your local D-III school. What is a D-III school? And that is another underlying issue. The 28 girls on the UNC field hockey team actually aren't that different than the girls on the Middlebury women's team (had to look that up). That just isn't the case with Marvin Harrison Jr or Malik Neighbors compared to their Div III counterparts. I get it, programs like Ohio State, LSU etc are probably right in thinking that Louisiana Monroe (ULM) Warhawks or the New Mexico Lobos should not be considered the same as they are with regards to policy. The problem is that while all 4 have academic institutions, 2 of those 4 have professional sports organizations operating using monikers and colors adopted by the university. But those pro sports organizations REALLY only have to do with Football and mens basketball to a lesser extent. So it gets very chaotic, because the ULM Tennis team is probably not significantly different than the OSU tennis team, than the New Mexico Tennis team etc.
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