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Post by Down 'n Out on Nov 24, 2020 9:56:54 GMT -6
I'm not entirely sure what to do. I'm not losing money or anything, but its sort of a coach Klein / coach Beaulieu situation. Imagine him with a tiny baby head and make "goo goo goo" noises when you look at him j/k I'd be upset. If he was just printing it off and using it as "this is what I believe in" thats one thing (personally id still ask) but putting his name on it as though he created it is very different imo. Shared drive or not
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Post by Down 'n Out on Nov 10, 2020 7:59:40 GMT -6
What about having to meet your opponent in a non competitive situation and show respect, poise, and composure? You're right, the handshake line is when a lot of dust ups happen but its also a learning experience. line dust ups take shape long before that. Oh it builds for sure. Its a teaching and learning experience even if it goes South
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Post by Down 'n Out on Nov 10, 2020 7:55:39 GMT -6
No handshakes at the end of the games were nice. I’m all for sportsmanship, but the majority of the “brewhahas” I’ve seen between players or coaches has happened during the hand shake line. Not having to mess with this was actually pretty nice. What about having to meet your opponent in a non competitive situation and show respect, poise, and composure? You're right, the handshake line is when a lot of dust ups happen but its also a learning experience.
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Post by Down 'n Out on Nov 9, 2020 6:32:40 GMT -6
VA plays this Spring(does February count as Spring?) but im hoping the concept of a year round "grind" goes away. How much on field drills and 7 on 7 is really necessary? Hopefully things go well in a few months and we learn that a lot of that is unnecessary.
For the playoffs the VHSL did away with 1 round and went back to 4, but added a +1 game where teams that didnt make the playoffs can schedule a game with whoever they want as a bowl type game. So instead of traveling hours away and getting your brains bashed out in round one, some of those teams can play a competitive opponent close to home. Imo that's a MUCH better option.
It seems in some ways football has reverted back to just playing football and isnt so serious. Important yes(as it should be) but not life or death.
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Post by Down 'n Out on Oct 30, 2020 7:52:19 GMT -6
Never been a HC but id say Offense.
Defensively it doesn't matter too much if youre a 3-4, 4-3, 4-4, 5-2, 5-3, etc. I would start with Cover 3 and try to keep everything in front of us, expand and grow from there.
Offensively I would want to run the ball from 31 personnel and would want to run the plays I believe in.
Maybe its just me but a 3-4 that likes to rotate a Safety down into the box is very similar to a 4-4, as where 11 personnel based in the Buck Sweep series is dramatically different that 31 personnel running Buck Sweep.
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Post by Down 'n Out on Oct 20, 2020 9:30:08 GMT -6
SC did something similar I believe. However, in NC where I am, we are playing in Feb a 7 game season. No built in date for makeups, half the number of teams in the playoffs, and no plus 1 for teams that dont make the playoffs. Virginia will start in February also , 6 game season. Many teams are playing their 1st game on a Monday of opening week which will in effect allow some flexability later in the season as no bye week is built in.
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Post by Down 'n Out on Oct 20, 2020 4:51:04 GMT -6
I actually like the idea of letting almost everyone in the playoffs during this crazy season. Helps with teams that have had to forfeit that are still good teams, also gives kids a chance to play 1 more games during a shortened season. Instead generally we are cutting the number of teams in playoffs. Virginia cut the number of playoff teams in half, form 32 per division down to 16 but added a Plus One game for all non-playoff teams. We will see how it works out but I like the concept. Instead of a 1st round game where the low seed gets drilled they can play a game vs a non-conference rival or another team of similar ability. That last game can be competitive instead of a beat down. The other sid eif it is your playoff games should, more or less, all be competitive.
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Post by Down 'n Out on Oct 8, 2020 5:54:44 GMT -6
I played on a team in HS where our RB ran for 270 yards and broke the school rushing record and we got shut out. A few years ago we had a string of injuries that hit our backfield especially hard (QB and #1 RB lost for the season, #2 and #3 RBs out for big chunks of the year too) game 6 or 7 we have to play our Slot WR at RB. Kid was a wrestler and a hell of a fine blocker(we were "spread to run" *rolls eyes). Anyway, if you count yards to where he fumbled the ball the kid had over 300 yds on the night, but he had 4 fumbles. He had at least 5 or 6 runs over 40 yards with most ending in fumbles ending in fumbles. We also ran a lot of 2 back 3 wide and ran our HBack(TE - 6'4" 225) run the ball and he probably chipped in another 50-60 yds on 4-5 carries. We DOMINATED our opponent but our RB couldn't hold on to the ball. We lost something like 21-14 with 2 passing TDs.
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Post by Down 'n Out on Sept 24, 2020 5:09:29 GMT -6
He definitely lost me when he got to the part about running guys over with his car. Until that point I though it was insane but plausible to have really happened
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Post by Down 'n Out on Sept 23, 2020 10:42:46 GMT -6
One time in my playing days did I forget equipment. Sophomore year playing JV ball somehow I forgot my knee pads. The JV coach was not well prepared- we didn't even have a back up equipment bag for things like that or for equipment malfunctions. So I realize what happened, go to the coach to apologize for my mistake explain why I cant play. Coach says to me I'm still playing (I was starting OLB). He turned to a back up kid and told him, 'you ain't playing anyways' and made him give me his knee pads. I felt AWFUL! I also couldnt believe the coach did that, complete wrong move. I made sure after that to always double check my gear Been on staff twice when this has happened; once with cleats and once with pants. Both times the HC took equipment from a younger non starter to give to the starter. Its not ok. Our equipment bag is fully prepared and I stress to players to lay everything out in front of themselves then immediately put it in their bag. So far no issues(fingers crossed)
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Post by Down 'n Out on Sept 22, 2020 20:13:15 GMT -6
Wouldn't call it a meeting, more of a conversation with the HC.
Im 20 and am volunteering at my alma mater. JV OL/DL, just there to help. Were about 2 weeks into practice and a kid decides to come out to play, not the football type but whatever. We were a small rural school and all are welcome. Were doing warmups and he has absolutely no clue how to do any of this stuff. We were doing power skipping, karaokes,etc, just standard stuff. Moms watching from the edge of the practice field. One of my duties was to run warmups. The other 2 guys on staff didn't want to and I loved it (still do). Anyway kid gets maybe halfway through, takes his helmet off, comes over to me and says "coach, I appreciate the opportunity but im just not cut out for this", gives me his helmet and shoulder pads and walks to mom, then goes to the car.
Water break after warmups mom and HC get into a discussion about how I was too hard on junior. Mom is furious, HC can barely keep from busting out laughing. Kid made it maybe 10 minutes.
Mom was the secretary at a local elementary school and I was subbing while in college. The high school and other elementary school used me regularly but that elementary never did lol
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Post by Down 'n Out on Sept 6, 2020 19:38:32 GMT -6
Focus on improvement.
You're really good, get better. You're really bad, get better.
As a team and as individuals. Always try to get a little better.
My HC doesn't tell me "you try hard but you're just not a very good coach" or "you're a fantastic coach, just wanted you to know how great you are". He talks to me about things I can improve on and things we need to improve on as a staff
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Post by Down 'n Out on Sept 6, 2020 19:19:21 GMT -6
Went to a game this past Friday, they were using cups for reserve players, starters were getting water from the Gatorade squirt bottles but only the team manager touched the bottles. She went from player to player.
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Post by Down 'n Out on Mar 25, 2020 8:51:58 GMT -6
It has been mentioned previously...but look at what kids have to go through to play 10 games. 1. Weights/Conditioning 2. Spring Practice 3. Summer weights/Conditioning 4. Summer 7v7 5. Summer Padded Camps (in GA) 6. Preseason Practice...Scrimmage 7. 10 games Been out of it for two years. Miss being around the kids. Miss the competitiveness of a Friday night. Don’t miss this. With the spread of COVID-19 none of this is happening in a lot of states, I wonder how this Fall will go for those teams(fingers crossed this doesn't drag into Football season). Maybe we will realize that all of this isn't necessary to be good at football.
In my opinion weightlifting certainly is, conditioning in the summer certainly is, 7on7(debatable), padded camps nope, preseason and scrimmages yes.
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Post by Down 'n Out on Mar 24, 2020 4:59:49 GMT -6
I know this contradicts the "football is hard, I have a giant penis and those kids are pusses" vibe that most FB coaches like to present when they talk about kids not playing football, but some people- GASP!- don't like the sport or want to play it. And that's OK. I want every kid in the school to play football, but I also realize that football isn't for everyone (for a variety of reasons).
As far as kids not wanting to wait - I had a very frank discussion with a kid just the other day about this. He played for me in 8th grade(very good guard, not that fast, athletic, or strong but tough and liked contact). He played his freshmen year on the JV team and didn't play a lot(honestly that JV team was a little mishandled in terms of getting kids on the field) so he didn't play as a Soph or JR, then he decides a month ago that as a Senior he wants to play again and he ask me about his chances to start. I told him they were slim but that I thought he could play special teams and maybe rotate at DT. All he wanted to talk about was starting, so I eventually just broke it down for him - those other guys kept playin so they have 2 more years of experience, they lifted in the offseason so theyre 2 years stronger, they wrestled so theyre 2 years more conditioned and have skills he doesnt - that cant just be made up because he wants it. Tough conversation with a kid I really like, idk if he will play or not.
His older brother played for us, worked his butt off and was a solid starter as a SR. He paid the price and then some to only start for 10 games, but that's football.
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Post by Down 'n Out on Mar 24, 2020 4:42:22 GMT -6
Send the Linemen with the DB coach, send the Backs with the Line coach, its always fun. Backs like to put their hand on the ground and get physical, Linemen like to run routes.
We do competitions - WR v DB(linemen are included, found a TE this way, kid beat our best DB repeatedly)
40 yard dash or gasser races where kids can call each other out.
We play Duck Duck Goose. Seriously, you wanna see two kids run with 100% effort try this, but break up into small groups or it takes forever.
We play spot football - theres a thousand names for this, basically just passing only but whoever catches the ball is down where he catches it and is now the QB.
Not a game but get creative in your redzone part of practice, let a OL run the ball, put a WR on the line at Guard(let him pull) or TE and let him block), run some crazy formation, let kids make up plays.
Anything competitive will get the attention of teenage boys, that's why theyre playing football in the first place.
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Post by Down 'n Out on Feb 26, 2020 15:48:46 GMT -6
Lots of great info already posted: gear, 1,000 pound club is a big deal, make it fun - music is good, have those that do participate talk to the others, competition in the form of Worlds Strongest Man type events once a week is always good (tire flip races, medicine ball throw for distance, etc), no shaming for the weight theyre using(its all about getting stronger, break them up by age/ability so the weaker kids dont see the 275 Tackle deadlift a house while theyre still working of proper form). Something Ive always thought about is taking an after school field trip to a neighboring school(different classification, if youre a small school then take them to a big school) and visit theyre weight lifting program. Your kids can see how the successful teams do it and get a great visual of what hard work can do for them. Ive never done this or been a part of it but I always thought it would be a cool idea, obviously lots of parties involved. Something similar to what you described in the 2nd paragraph happened organically with me years ago. I was coaching at successful large class school. During spring work outs, the school was hosting a track meet, where a smaller school where I had coached about 3 years previously was competing. I had coached that school's upper classmen when they were jr high students. We were talking a bit in the weight room, and they were shocked when they saw a group of players all powercleaning 275. Jaws dropped when they found out the three players in question were DBs. When the DL and LBs all were squatting over 400 (and when my SS cleaned 345) they were just in awe. They had no clue that players lifted at that intensity. Having a 180lb Freshmen Guard to talk to a 230 pound Senior Guard that says "yeah, I was about your size before I started lifting" and then watch him decimate a 315 pound deadlift can make quite the impression. Small schools face the big fish in a small pond problem, take them to the lake and let them see how its done. I mentioned going to a larger classification, hell take them to a highly competitive school in the same classification and see how champions do it.
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Post by Down 'n Out on Feb 26, 2020 9:06:53 GMT -6
Lots of great info already posted: gear, 1,000 pound club is a big deal, make it fun - music is good, have those that do participate talk to the others, competition in the form of Worlds Strongest Man type events once a week is always good (tire flip races, medicine ball throw for distance, etc), no shaming for the weight theyre using(its all about getting stronger, break them up by age/ability so the weaker kids dont see the 275 Tackle deadlift a house while theyre still working of proper form).
Something Ive always thought about is taking an after school field trip to a neighboring school(different classification, if youre a small school then take them to a big school) and visit theyre weight lifting program. Your kids can see how the successful teams do it and get a great visual of what hard work can do for them. Ive never done this or been a part of it but I always thought it would be a cool idea, obviously lots of parties involved.
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Post by Down 'n Out on Feb 21, 2020 19:29:00 GMT -6
Theyre ok. Lunging is an issue. I used them some for reping kickout blocks and pullers adjusting to run throughs.
You need two wheels to get efficient reps.
Theyre not enough alone, you still need real man v man drills. They do cut down on contact. Run a tackling drill 5 times, make 3 ring drills and 2 live
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Post by Down 'n Out on Feb 13, 2020 15:43:55 GMT -6
Its a trash drill. Great for evaluating athletic potential but does nothing to evaluate either of them as football players
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Post by Down 'n Out on Feb 12, 2020 14:54:56 GMT -6
Rule #1 in life is dont take {censored} from anybody. Well done sir.
And can we get a hand for the administration
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Post by Down 'n Out on Feb 12, 2020 14:49:10 GMT -6
My question revolves around the direction that contemporary football is headed. Is this now the new normal? It seems to be at certain levels and in certain areas(CA, FL, TX seem to be way ahead, but of course they are). I think theres a lot to be said for telling players where were going to attack and attacking regardless of what the defense does(within reason). "were going to run Buck Sweep, I dont care how they react, THATS WHAT WERE GOING TO DO" and when it works the kids gain confidence. Thats very different than taking what the defense gives you every play. Not that a OC shouldnt try to confuse the defense and keep them off balance.
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Post by Down 'n Out on Feb 12, 2020 10:16:40 GMT -6
Played against a team in high school that didnt have a kid that could long snap, C snapped to the QB who turned and underhanded the ball back to the punter
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Post by Down 'n Out on Feb 11, 2020 10:29:48 GMT -6
I understand lack of resources. But do the kids (or are the kids allowed to) get something to eat for a pre-game meal or is granola and fruit it? For away games yeah that's all we provide pre-game. They get subs etc after away games. Most kids bring extra any ways. Home games we don't provide anything till after, boosters cook a variety of stuff or get pizza etc. Just curious, why dont the boosters cook before the game? It just seems backwards to me to have a snack before and a meal after. We have a group of parents(theyre truly blessings) that raise money(not exactly a booster club), they cook full meals before games and provide very nice snack bags for the players and coaches for away games(gatorade, a candy bar, fruit, beef jerkey, etc).
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Post by Down 'n Out on Feb 11, 2020 10:24:15 GMT -6
In my first year coaching I put a physically capable linemen against another linemen who was very similar physically, but WAY ahead mentally and technically. I had them repeat the drill hoping the less talented kid would have an "ah ha" moment, well he didnt. He had some anger issues and blew up. HC stepped in, kid is yelling and cussed some. He thought I was trying to embarrass him and he lashed out. I still do those type of drills but I make sure ive got a better relationship with the kid first, thats also when I learned that sometimes you gotta put your arm around them. Kid quit the next day and never played again.
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Post by Down 'n Out on Jan 30, 2020 10:05:36 GMT -6
To me, this begs the question of why we have so many different sets of rules for the same game. Wouldn't it be easier for the officials, players, coaches, fans, and everyone else involved to have a unified set of rules on all levels? I'm not a rules expert, so I don't know what all of the exact differences are, but it just seems logical to me to have everyone on the same page. I think we should play by college rules. The NFL can do their own thing, because they can't even figure out what is and is not a catch. One of three things happen on a passing play: an offensive player catches it, a defensive player catches it, or the ball hits the ground. How the NFL has complicated it so far beyond that is equally puzzling and frustrating to me. "Did the ball hit the ground?" "No" "So someone caught it?" "No" "Oh so it was out of bounds" "Also no"
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Post by Down 'n Out on Jan 13, 2020 14:24:32 GMT -6
Also, there can't be too many cooks in the kitchen. I am all for giving assistant coaches autonomy and letting them have a say in things. But when a pro-style team hires a split-back veer guy and a Tony Franklin guy, then it's not uncommon to see a bit of a grab bag mess with them rotating offenses every series. You have to get the buy-in from the coaches! I've been there as the AC with a HC who I was trying to teach about the game. He let me install my offense -- up to a point. I had in a partial installation of sidesaddle T, then he decided we'd add I. I explained to him we'd have to have completely different line splits, a different C-QB exchange, he's damn the torpedos, full speed ahead. But then he doesn't "get" the geometry of opening straight vs. reverse pivot, and so in addition to all the rest for the I package, he's got the QB, up back, and deep back doing some overly fancy footwork that doesn't add any deception but makes execution hard. Im confused as to why he would want an I formation set when you can run I formation plays from the Side Saddle T?
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Post by Down 'n Out on Jan 13, 2020 14:01:56 GMT -6
I love this thread. Sometimes it gets easy to forget in the offseason that there are (sadly) a number of coaches out there who don't go to clinics or make any effort to learn, and if they do go, they treat it like a frat party instead of a way to get better. Not to stick my nose up at anybody, I just feel bad for players that play for these types of guys. IMO the real "garbage" offenses are the ones that confuse the players. You can be multiple + simple. We won a playoff game against a team pretty loaded with good-looking athletes, but for whatever reason just could not get it together. One of their coaches accidentally left their call sheet/gameplan for us in the locker room. I picked it up, and thought "damn! that's a lot of calls!" and chalked it up to a "garbage" offense that confused the players. But after time settles in and I re-watch the film of that game in the offseason, they actually were trying to do some pretty good things. They were very pro-style/west coast identity-wise. They just didn't seem like they had players who were 100% confident in their assignments. They literally would run stretch and the only person running stretch was the RB/QB while every OL/WR/TE ran a boot opposite (OL reached away, TE ran an over away). Also, there can't be too many cooks in the kitchen. I am all for giving assistant coaches autonomy and letting them have a say in things. But when a pro-style team hires a split-back veer guy and a Tony Franklin guy, then it's not uncommon to see a bit of a grab bag mess with them rotating offenses every series. You have to get the buy-in from the coaches! keep it simple, start simple and then add things as you progress. If your players dont progress, then you dont add. My alma mater was VERY multiple. I, Split Backs, Offset I, Power I, Ace with TB, Ace with FB, and every gun set you can imagine but we ran a core set of plays from little league all the way up. To a certain extent Power is Power, doesnt matter if its Split backs, I, Offset I, 2 back Gun, or to the QB from the Gun. But again we came up that way so we were comfortable. Kids have to be confident to be successful. Too many cooks in the kitchen definitely presents some problems. As an offensive assistant ive always had a hand in putting the offense together, but we stick to the core of what were doing. Nothing crazy.
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Post by Down 'n Out on Nov 20, 2019 11:17:20 GMT -6
We have a non-con team only a couple miles away that was basically "sling that bish" with a bunch of WR screens added in. They were actually really good at running their tunnel screen (or we couldn't defend it) but it was the only thing they had. Their other screens weren't great and they'd drop back and try to chuck it deep the rest of the time, with no real run game to speak of. They couldn't control the ball so their defense's best games were like 23 and 27 points allowed, with a lot in the 30's/40's. They somehow won 2 games. Maybe contests of "sling that bish" vs "bish we sling it"?
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Post by Down 'n Out on Nov 20, 2019 9:29:47 GMT -6
Were nearing the end of the season now and im just wondering what garbage offenses have you seen this season? For us the worst imo was a team grab bag offense that ran DTDW Superpower and Counter, Power-I Blast and FB Dive, 'Gun 2x2 SE Post / SL Out. That was their offense Did they score any points this year? Did they win any games? No wins, maybe 150 points scored all season.
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