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Post by fshamrock on Dec 8, 2016 12:58:10 GMT -6
also tried that...gets tricky because most of them are not on any special teams, the starters on O and D make up the bulk of those units So they don't really play at all? What incentive do they have to come out the following year if they aren't getting in any games and are just standing around? I like the thinking of drills but are they going to associate those with being time wasters or are the starters going to do them when the backups are in to give them more weight? I like the two scout huddle idea even if some lineman need to work both huddles. Quite frankly if you don't want them on the team (taken from your last line in the original post) cut them and deal with the fallout of that. sorry if I was misunderstood, they play, they just rotate in at their spots...so whenever a guy rotates out so somebody else can come in..he typically just joins the grabass in progress....I think the two huddle idea is solid, there will just be some guys work both..not a big deal, thanks fellas
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Post by fshamrock on Dec 8, 2016 9:43:05 GMT -6
We have the backups run the following during Special Teams: Ladder & step-over footwork drills Simple blocking drills Simple tackling drills Simple catching drills Emphasis on technique and development of fundamental skills. ya!...that's the kind of stuff i'm talking about..maybe a circuit of something like that would be cool
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Post by fshamrock on Dec 8, 2016 9:33:37 GMT -6
Our JV is our scout team for the varsity. You can use that time to teach the opposing teams O&D so that you can get a better look from them. That helped us tremendously during the playoffs. man it must be nice to have some players like that we tried that a couple of times and those kids looked as us like we were asking for a kidney each...they are pissed enough about doing scout team to begin with....let alone practicing doing scout team
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Post by fshamrock on Dec 8, 2016 9:31:28 GMT -6
Pick an element from the special teams play. Use a different element each day. also tried that...gets tricky because most of them are not on any special teams, the starters on O and D make up the bulk of those units
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Post by fshamrock on Dec 8, 2016 9:30:31 GMT -6
You have 15-20, can you run 2 huddles? not really...as per the laws of football..of the 15-25 kids that don't have a starting position on the JV.....12 of them are WR's,
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Post by fshamrock on Dec 5, 2016 14:55:47 GMT -6
twitter.com/Massilloncom?ref_src=twsrc%5EtfwThe whole community is kind of a joke. They ran the last coach out, blamed him for everything. Now DCOhio is the target. They haven't won or been relevant in 30 years, however football is the only thing the community has. hate to see that..but it is the other side of coaching somewhere that takes it really seriously, the kids work their butts off and care a lot, but the problem is that the idiot adults also care a lot. Though I'd be surprised to find that the guy who runs that twitter account is an adult, sounds more like a backup safety that didn't get into the game much with sour grapes. At any rate, that's life in the big city. Luckily for me nobody is going to hire me to some big name job, but if they did I'm not sure anybody could trace this account back to me, not sure if that would matter anyway other than the idiocy of some of my football questions.
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Post by fshamrock on Dec 1, 2016 9:48:25 GMT -6
www.theplayerstribune.com/pj-fleck-western-michigan-keep-rowing/this type of crap is what disgusts me the most I mean the guy has had success, no arguing that..he's about to be a mult-millionare and I'm pulling down a smooth 55k so what the hell do I know? but do you think that Saban, Rockne, Switzer, Bear, Hayes, Wilkinson, etc ever WROTE an article for the local paper about how THEY gave a halftime speech that turned the season around? I tried to count the amount of times this guy referenced himself in this article about his team but got a headache and quit I don't know that it's just in football either, the entire archetype of manhood has changed I think, we have gone from appreciating the strong silent type and the virtue of humility to the shameless self promoter and his "brand". You think Lincoln could get elected president today? A man of few words who wouldn't look good on TV?..forget about it, the idiocracy would laugh him off the stage. My dad used to always say that empty can rattles the loudest, I liked that, but I guess the world has moved on from that idea...so now being a successful football coach in major college football has a lot to with how many tweets get liked, videos of you doing "coachey" things posted everywhere...and writing articles about what an unbelievable motivator you are. not sure how this ties in with what you guys are talking about...sorry..but damn I wish that Saban would use his platform to come out publicly one day and tell all these guys to just shut the f*ck up and coach.......but I don't imagine that would be his style.
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Post by fshamrock on Dec 1, 2016 9:11:56 GMT -6
Mostly for the HC's out there, has there ever been a time that made you think that you might be pushing your staff too much and you took a step back? no sour grapes from me...I really like where I work and we get after it but stay within the bounds of human reason...but I keep hearing more stories about some the HC's around my state and crazy stuff that is required of the team. Some examples: knew a guy who had a Saturday morning practice during fall camp...part of the practice was spent practicing how to run out of the big blowup before the game...they spent a good chunk of time...practicing this........ Of course pictures were taken and tweets transpired. A guy who has a off-season meeting every morning an hour before school....they have been doing the same off season for a while, there is really nothing to meet about, but it's on the schedule so the meeting happens regardless another group was required to stay after school for an hour or so every day and that they were no longer allowed to be on the internet in the field house computers, when he walked into the office, he wanted to see the coaches around the big table coming up with way to make them better.....which led to them sitting and staring at each other after school every day for an hour there are lots of examples...pretty much any situation where the staff is treated like high school kids, I once talked to a guy who was coming around to interview and he had a coordinator position as his previous stop and was applying for a regular position job...when I asked him why he was leaving...he said he loved being a coordinator but he was sick of getting screamed at in front of the kids, working every waking hour, and then being told on more than a few random days that he was going to be up against another coach in a dance competition before practice that day as a "team building" exercise you guys who made the jump from Assistants to HC and maybe went a little crazy...when did the crazy set in? was is driven by outside pressure?...was there a moment where you realized "holy crap i'm working these guys to death" and changed up?....the subject is fascinating to me My personal favorite was one that I read on this board: A HC in Texas (Where else?): A guy who required his assistants to leave their cars parked at the field house all night after a loss. That way anybody driving by could see that the staff was "Working to get it fixed". Either I put that one here or somebody else who was in that area at that time but I knew that guy...crazy thing is he continue'd to parley himself into new HFC jobs every few years despite not winning much and having to hire a new staff every season......he is now the AD at a fairly large affluent district in Central TX a-holes finish first I suppose
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Post by fshamrock on Dec 1, 2016 8:56:32 GMT -6
Well, I guess not everybody is fortunate enough to have a 'Life Champion' coach who runs HUNH (sort of) and goes out and pays $1 mil for a DC who gives up OVER A MILE of offense to the worst teams on the schedule while pissing away a Sugar Bowl bid. I dig "Life Champion coach" my new go to describer for twitter coaches who can't shut up about all the character they are changing
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Post by fshamrock on Dec 1, 2016 8:52:20 GMT -6
Law of diminishing returns We just finished a really good playoff run....lost in the third round to team that we were better than, practiced flat all week, came out of the game flat when it was over, there were some kids obviously torn up about the season ending, but there were a few who seemed kind of relieved, like it was finally over...which seems selfish, but then I think about what we ask of these kids off-season program starts in december (which is pretty brutal) and they are expected to be at after school additional workout unless they are in another sport 7on7 starts in the early spring which means they will have one (student led) practice a week followed by tournaments usually all day saturdays all spring spring football after school for a month which is mostly just drills since there is nobody to play so it gets pretty tedious after the spring game we begin qualifying for state 7on7 if they make it to state (we always do) they will spend an entire weekend playing 7on7 in july starting in june we have summer workouts from 6-8am, this lasts until the first day of two-a-days in august now couple that with practicing and playing into late November.......it's a lot man
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Post by fshamrock on Nov 30, 2016 14:52:28 GMT -6
Mostly for the HC's out there, has there ever been a time that made you think that you might be pushing your staff too much and you took a step back?
no sour grapes from me...I really like where I work and we get after it but stay within the bounds of human reason...but I keep hearing more stories about some the HC's around my state and crazy stuff that is required of the team.
Some examples: knew a guy who had a Saturday morning practice during fall camp...part of the practice was spent practicing how to run out of the big blowup before the game...they spent a good chunk of time...practicing this........ Of course pictures were taken and tweets transpired.
A guy who has a off-season meeting every morning an hour before school....they have been doing the same off season for a while, there is really nothing to meet about, but it's on the schedule so the meeting happens regardless
another group was required to stay after school for an hour or so every day and that they were no longer allowed to be on the internet in the field house computers, when he walked into the office, he wanted to see the coaches around the big table coming up with way to make them better.....which led to them sitting and staring at each other after school every day for an hour
there are lots of examples...pretty much any situation where the staff is treated like high school kids, I once talked to a guy who was coming around to interview and he had a coordinator position as his previous stop and was applying for a regular position job...when I asked him why he was leaving...he said he loved being a coordinator but he was sick of getting screamed at in front of the kids, working every waking hour, and then being told on more than a few random days that he was going to be up against another coach in a dance competition before practice that day as a "team building" exercise
you guys who made the jump from Assistants to HC and maybe went a little crazy...when did the crazy set in? was is driven by outside pressure?...was there a moment where you realized "holy crap i'm working these guys to death" and changed up?....the subject is fascinating to me
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Post by fshamrock on Nov 30, 2016 10:55:41 GMT -6
anybody ever been so one of the seminars?...or have a "insider" login they want to share?...the questions on the website asks
"Could BT be the most accurate science of human understanding on earth?"
after the looking at the webpage, the answer in my mind is definitely yes!
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Post by fshamrock on Nov 16, 2016 13:00:11 GMT -6
I always thought if we were thick-skinned enough to do it we'd get a lot more out of a personality test about you done by the people around you....most of us take those dumb tests with an idea about ourselves that is the fantasy we believe in our heads. Lots of guys believe that they are inspiring leaders but according to everybody around them they are just a plain ol' a***ole
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Post by fshamrock on Nov 16, 2016 8:41:30 GMT -6
The points thing is cool, but a lot of work to keep up with.
I think you have to be really careful though depending on your student population. You don't want to unwittingly stigmatize the poor kids in your program as "not committed" because they are likely to not get many points, or lose a lot. Single moms with drug habits have a hard time dropping their kids off on time, or getting them to the soup kitchen for the community service part, you see what I mean. What those type of kids need more than anything else is acceptance, when they start to feel alienated from the group they will distance themselves further. Tread lightly
now if you have a bunch of rich kids with two parents....rock on
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Post by fshamrock on Nov 9, 2016 10:53:26 GMT -6
heck ya man you could lick up all the syrup you wanted and you'd be covered, plausible deniability whole thing boils down to professionalism for me...I hate to sound like an old guy that just complains, i'm not even that old, but I really don't remember seeing that many coaches getting all "lit" in the locker room with the players after a big win when I was playing. I once was coaching a middle school game and lost on the last play. As the clock ticked zero we lined up so shake hands the coach from the other team was in a full blown dog pile with the kids in the middle of the end zone....we just kinda stood around and waited for dude to get done gesticulating....I'm all for passion but dang man....it did lead to one of my favorite post game exchanges once things calmed down dude: "hey bro great game" me: "thanks you too, good luck rest of the way" dude"hey broseph how do we match up to (other good team in the district that we played the week before and they had next week) me: "they are way better than you" dude: ".........."..at any rate...we're supposed to be the grown men in the situation, I think acceptable celebrations include: fist pumps double fist pumps triple claps squat claps walking down the sideline in the bottom of a fist pump bear hug a guy who is a great kid that did something awesome unacceptable: the bottom of a dog pile the jumping hip bump thing (this is becoming more and more common, maybe some of you can pull it off, but most look silly) running back and forth in front of the stands to "pump the crowd" dramatic faint just my list...yours may vary This was highly amusing! I do have a few questions, though. 1) This is the 2nd time I have read about a coach addressing another coach as a "bro" or anything related to "bro." Do the grown men that you coach against actually talk like that?? 2) What the he!! are squat claps? That guy did say bro if I remember correctly.... Squat clap is when you say like "attaboy jo" and you start sinking down to a quarter squat while clapping...usually ends with a full bent over hands on your knees position, while you stare intently at the next play
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Post by fshamrock on Nov 4, 2016 7:39:46 GMT -6
there is a big difference with shower surfing, which is what we called it, and it was just us high school kids, and a coach licking syrup from a kids belly button allegedly licking syrup from a kids bellybutton, feels like the whole thing hinges on whether or not the lick actually happened #lickgate16 #lickpancackesnotplayers
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Post by fshamrock on Nov 4, 2016 7:36:59 GMT -6
If it's the 3-3 stack blitz every down defense then call it the "one of us is about to score a TD" defense
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Post by fshamrock on Nov 3, 2016 13:31:47 GMT -6
here's how I assume it went down
big win...everybody pumped, kids getting rowdy in the locker room...some kid goes and grabs a bottle of syrup from the pancake breakfast that moms did that morning and some funny fat lineman kid goes Farley with it and decides to pour it on his belly so the other kids find this to be the height of humor and start taking pictures of themselves looking like they are licking the syrup..everybody laughing
..bout this time coach comes in to run the little bastardos out of the field house so him and the staff can go celebrate in the adult way..he finds billy bob slathered in syrup and kids start saying "coach take the picture like we did...take the picture like we did!!"
it's a big win and he's happy so coach says what the heck i'll do a little something and they'll get a kick out of it
any other scenario than that is hard to defend, but I bet it was something like that, not necessarily smart, but not Sandusky status either...but then the 2nd string QB (it's always the 2nd string QB) shows his picture to his 2nd string daddy Todd who sees his opportunity to get coach fired and piss off first string daddy Mark who thinks he's so great with his cooler car and still hot wife so he decides to get his wife the 2nd string mommy to make a big fuss about it
and here we are
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Post by fshamrock on Nov 3, 2016 8:16:46 GMT -6
I miss the days when NOBODY had a camera on their phone.... heck ya man you could lick up all the syrup you wanted and you'd be covered, plausible deniability whole thing boils down to professionalism for me...I hate to sound like an old guy that just complains, i'm not even that old, but I really don't remember seeing that many coaches getting all "lit" in the locker room with the players after a big win when I was playing. I once was coaching a middle school game and lost on the last play. As the clock ticked zero we lined up so shake hands the coach from the other team was in a full blown dog pile with the kids in the middle of the end zone....we just kinda stood around and waited for dude to get done gesticulating....I'm all for passion but dang man....it did lead to one of my favorite post game exchanges once things calmed down dude: "hey bro great game" me: "thanks you too, good luck rest of the way" dude"hey broseph how do we match up to (other good team in the district that we played the week before and they had next week) me: "they are way better than you" dude: ".........."..at any rate...we're supposed to be the grown men in the situation, I think acceptable celebrations include: fist pumps double fist pumps triple claps squat claps walking down the sideline in the bottom of a fist pump bear hug a guy who is a great kid that did something awesome unacceptable: the bottom of a dog pile the jumping hip bump thing (this is becoming more and more common, maybe some of you can pull it off, but most look silly) running back and forth in front of the stands to "pump the crowd" dramatic faint just my list...yours may vary also add, licking stuff of kids bodies to the unacceptable list
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Post by fshamrock on Nov 3, 2016 8:04:58 GMT -6
I miss the days when NOBODY had a camera on their phone.... heck ya man you could lick up all the syrup you wanted and you'd be covered, plausible deniability whole thing boils down to professionalism for me...I hate to sound like an old guy that just complains, i'm not even that old, but I really don't remember seeing that many coaches getting all "lit" in the locker room with the players after a big win when I was playing. I once was coaching a middle school game and lost on the last play. As the clock ticked zero we lined up so shake hands the coach from the other team was in a full blown dog pile with the kids in the middle of the end zone....we just kinda stood around and waited for dude to get done gesticulating....I'm all for passion but dang man....it did lead to one of my favorite post game exchanges once things calmed down dude: "hey bro great game" me: "thanks you too, good luck rest of the way" dude"hey broseph how do we match up to (other good team in the district that we played the week before and they had next week) me: "they are way better than you" dude: ".........."..at any rate...we're supposed to be the grown men in the situation, I think acceptable celebrations include: fist pumps double fist pumps triple claps squat claps walking down the sideline in the bottom of a fist pump bear hug a guy who is a great kid that did something awesome unacceptable: the bottom of a dog pile the jumping hip bump thing (this is becoming more and more common, maybe some of you can pull it off, but most look silly) running back and forth in front of the stands to "pump the crowd" dramatic faint just my list...yours may vary
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Post by fshamrock on Nov 2, 2016 13:44:42 GMT -6
c'mon now fellas..boys will be boys...they get that syrup in 'em, they get all antsy in the pantsy
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Post by fshamrock on Nov 2, 2016 10:06:19 GMT -6
...get it...New jersey..
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Post by fshamrock on Nov 2, 2016 10:06:04 GMT -6
thought this was going to be a thread about wearing sweatpants, Journey lyrics, and going "down the shore" "
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Post by fshamrock on Oct 26, 2016 10:36:35 GMT -6
Can't tell if Reefer Madness schtick is serious... Wasn't meant to be, get a sense it's taking on a life of its own, bit I really have known a few coaches that made excuses not to drive so they would't get tested..never mattered to me until i was driving JV soccer two hours one way to their game during my offseason because the JV soccer coach didn't have his license
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Post by fshamrock on Oct 25, 2016 19:46:28 GMT -6
That's why I said 90% Why you stickin' up for em? You a pothead focker? No, I have epilepsy and have never been able to drive a bus. I would be more than happy to trade off. Granted I don't have full blown Gran Mal seizures I still have to take medication daily. Was diagnosed when I was 13. Played HS and college FB and have been coaching for 25 years, but just like anyone with diabetes, if I don't take my meds I have problems. Sorry to hear that man, thats awesome that you have been able to play and coach, don't worry about the not driving part though..it sucks anyway Also be glad you are one of the lucky 10% who aren't over at the flop house puffing the magic dragon on the reg
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Post by fshamrock on Oct 25, 2016 14:15:44 GMT -6
You also can't get a CDL if you have a prior DWI, diabetes, epilepsy, etc. You can't assume that just because they don't get their CDL that they are potheads. That's why I said 90% Why you stickin' up for em? You a pothead focker?
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Post by fshamrock on Oct 25, 2016 13:46:55 GMT -6
Kinda random, just curious In most districts in Texas coaches of any sport are required to obtain a valid CDL and be able to drive a school bus. We typically drive our own teams everywhere we go
now..I saw "required" very loosely...there are many coaches who have a variety of very valid (weed) reasons for not ever getting around to getting the CDL (weed) many of them have physical ailments (weed) that prevent them from passing the physical (weed) and other coaches who do have the CLD (no weed) end up having to drive them around (because they like weed)*
*being a bus driver automatically subjects us to random drug testing...so I assume that everybody who has a excuse for not getting it is a pothead........they probably aren't all but 90% of them are regularly puffing the devil's lettuce
so how about you guys in the civilized world...ya'll have to drive a bus?
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Post by fshamrock on Oct 25, 2016 7:59:25 GMT -6
I think it would be easier to know who the "best minds" were if we had a more universal terminology. Most of the time I think I'm reading some kinda unbelievable new trend in the game then 45 minutes later I figure out that it's something else I've already heard of just called something completely different. What other field does this? Brain surgeon: "yeah i'm just gonna wollymuch around in the bloofer and after that i'll reduct the pluplek until is renoves around" Medical student "what are you talking about?" BS: "oh I just have my own terminology for everything in the brain" gimmie a break.... unfortunately it'll never change..we can bog down what we do into jargon to make it seem more complicated, this helps us sell our latest ebook and seem smart to the ladies at the VFW hall. No sport uses universal terminology to my knowledge. You can't compare sport terminology to medical field terminology. Even if there was universal football terminology....how would that help compare coaches? The point I'm making is that very little is new in the game, often times things that are considered cutting edge are just old ideas repackaged with new jargon to make them seem shiny (the scorched earth offense baby!!!!)Polished turds if you like that analogy better. Seems like if we accepted a more universal language, it would be a lot easier to separate the wheat from the chaff, but I could be way off base. You do make a good point about there being no universal terminology in any game, not sure why that is but it's interesting to think about anyways, got off topic my bad the DC for UofH seems like a pretty smart guy
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Post by fshamrock on Oct 24, 2016 13:24:27 GMT -6
I think it would be easier to know who the "best minds" were if we had a more universal terminology. Most of the time I think I'm reading some kinda unbelievable new trend in the game then 45 minutes later I figure out that it's something else I've already heard of just called something completely different. What other field does this?
Brain surgeon: "yeah i'm just gonna wollymuch around in the bloofer and after that i'll reduct the pluplek until is renoves around"
Medical student "what are you talking about?"
BS: "oh I just have my own terminology for everything in the brain"
gimmie a break.... unfortunately it'll never change..we can bog down what we do into jargon to make it seem more complicated, this helps us sell our latest ebook and seem smart to the ladies at the VFW hall.
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Post by fshamrock on Oct 6, 2016 12:12:49 GMT -6
Those dudes in the picture definitely look like NFL type guys
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