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Post by fshamrock on Nov 30, 2016 14:52:28 GMT -6
Mostly for the HC's out there, has there ever been a time that made you think that you might be pushing your staff too much and you took a step back?
no sour grapes from me...I really like where I work and we get after it but stay within the bounds of human reason...but I keep hearing more stories about some the HC's around my state and crazy stuff that is required of the team.
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knew a guy who had a Saturday morning practice during fall camp...part of the practice was spent practicing how to run out of the big blowup before the game...they spent a good chunk of time...practicing this........ Of course pictures were taken and tweets transpired.
A guy who has a off-season meeting every morning an hour before school....they have been doing the same off season for a while, there is really nothing to meet about, but it's on the schedule so the meeting happens regardless
another group was required to stay after school for an hour or so every day and that they were no longer allowed to be on the internet in the field house computers, when he walked into the office, he wanted to see the coaches around the big table coming up with way to make them better.....which led to them sitting and staring at each other after school every day for an hour
there are lots of examples...pretty much any situation where the staff is treated like high school kids, I once talked to a guy who was coming around to interview and he had a coordinator position as his previous stop and was applying for a regular position job...when I asked him why he was leaving...he said he loved being a coordinator but he was sick of getting screamed at in front of the kids, working every waking hour, and then being told on more than a few random days that he was going to be up against another coach in a dance competition before practice that day as a "team building" exercise
you guys who made the jump from Assistants to HC and maybe went a little crazy...when did the crazy set in? was is driven by outside pressure?...was there a moment where you realized "holy crap i'm working these guys to death" and changed up?....the subject is fascinating to me
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Post by 3rdandlong on Nov 30, 2016 15:40:35 GMT -6
Most of your examples sounds like ego. The helmet one sounds like stupidity.
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Post by 3rdandlong on Nov 30, 2016 15:42:44 GMT -6
Btw, one of the most productive meetings we ever had was when I had our staff read through the "best practice ideas" thread on this very board and coaches wrote down a few they liked best. It was great discussion for our staff meeting.
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Post by carookie on Nov 30, 2016 16:24:35 GMT -6
HAHA, I worked for a guy similar to a lot of what the OP mentions. He was never a jerk, and didnt berate his coaches, but he had bonkers schedule requests, mismanaged priorities, and wholeheartedly felt that more hours would equal better play.
Players were required to practice 24+ hours a week in the summer (coaches would be expected to be there 30+). Meet after every practice, absolutely; and yeah it was basically just an hour long session of football talk that had no impact on anything the team did.
Just remember the HC coaches crap first, and most know no other way than to outwork someone; I am slowly trying to convince as many as I can that there is a level of negative returns.
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Post by lions23 on Nov 30, 2016 21:22:57 GMT -6
We got really good a few years and we started asking less of everyone at that time.
I wholeheartedly believe that you can get negative returns. Kids get tired. Coaches get tired. Families get tired. Avoid tired playing and coaching as much as possible.
Do you have to have a meeting or can you start a group me chat that allows everyone to contribute when they are available. Morning off season meetings before school? I'm a grinder and I would effing quit. Those months I can spend a little time with the kids in the morning are important to me and the wife.
We don't practice or meet on Saturday anymore. Kids sleep and we hang out with family. Assign hudl columns to be done by Sunday meeting.
We workout 3 times a week for an hour and a half in off season and never on Friday. We have intramural flag league on Sunday's. Coaches take turns running. Kids have fun. Works just as well as speed agility training.
Figure out ways to build relationships and teams. It's more important than scheme.
It's supposed to be fun fellas.
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Post by fantom on Nov 30, 2016 21:24:20 GMT -6
Mostly for the HC's out there, has there ever been a time that made you think that you might be pushing your staff too much and you took a step back? no sour grapes from me...I really like where I work and we get after it but stay within the bounds of human reason...but I keep hearing more stories about some the HC's around my state and crazy stuff that is required of the team. Some examples: knew a guy who had a Saturday morning practice during fall camp...part of the practice was spent practicing how to run out of the big blowup before the game...they spent a good chunk of time...practicing this........ Of course pictures were taken and tweets transpired. A guy who has a off-season meeting every morning an hour before school....they have been doing the same off season for a while, there is really nothing to meet about, but it's on the schedule so the meeting happens regardless another group was required to stay after school for an hour or so every day and that they were no longer allowed to be on the internet in the field house computers, when he walked into the office, he wanted to see the coaches around the big table coming up with way to make them better.....which led to them sitting and staring at each other after school every day for an hour there are lots of examples...pretty much any situation where the staff is treated like high school kids, I once talked to a guy who was coming around to interview and he had a coordinator position as his previous stop and was applying for a regular position job...when I asked him why he was leaving...he said he loved being a coordinator but he was sick of getting screamed at in front of the kids, working every waking hour, and then being told on more than a few random days that he was going to be up against another coach in a dance competition before practice that day as a "team building" exercise you guys who made the jump from Assistants to HC and maybe went a little crazy...when did the crazy set in? was is driven by outside pressure?...was there a moment where you realized "holy crap i'm working these guys to death" and changed up?....the subject is fascinating to me My personal favorite was one that I read on this board: A HC in Texas (Where else?): A guy who required his assistants to leave their cars parked at the field house all night after a loss. That way anybody driving by could see that the staff was "Working to get it fixed". |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2016 21:53:44 GMT -6
My personal favorite was one that I read on this board: A HC in Texas (Where else?): A guy who required his assistants to leave their cars parked at the field house all night after a loss. That way anybody driving by could see that the staff was "Working to get it fixed". Legit LOL |
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Post by somecoach on Nov 30, 2016 22:03:52 GMT -6
It's supposed to be fun fellas. ^^^ A LOT of people forget this |
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Post by PSS on Dec 1, 2016 8:29:47 GMT -6
Yes it is suppose to be fun. We have a blast in the office, on the field, and working on the weekends.
We're always trying to lighten things up. While working last weekend the defensive staff hid the OC's truck. The OC put the DC's front wheeled drive car on stands so he couldn't drive home.
When you're 4 weeks into the playoffs and have been going since August 1st you have to do things to have fun or you will go freaking crazy working football all the time. We are away from our families quite a bit but the HC makes sure to include them in as much as possible.
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Post by **** on Dec 1, 2016 8:33:06 GMT -6
Law of diminishing returns
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Post by PSS on Dec 1, 2016 8:46:13 GMT -6
What about the HC that requires you to be in the office 8 hours on Saturday and 10-12 hours on Sunday, even though the work was done in much less time? I've been apart of several coaching staffs like that. Thank God I've wised up and learn to ask questions when interviewing.
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Post by wiscohscoach on Dec 1, 2016 8:47:17 GMT -6
I've never understood the coaches that can't get stuff done within a reasonable manner. If it takes you hours upon hours to do simple tasks, then you aren't efficient or you need to learn time management. Football isn't some new innovative game, get what you need to done and get moving.
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Post by fshamrock on Dec 1, 2016 8:52:20 GMT -6
Law of diminishing returns We just finished a really good playoff run....lost in the third round to team that we were better than, practiced flat all week, came out of the game flat when it was over, there were some kids obviously torn up about the season ending, but there were a few who seemed kind of relieved, like it was finally over...which seems selfish, but then I think about what we ask of these kids off-season program starts in december (which is pretty brutal) and they are expected to be at after school additional workout unless they are in another sport 7on7 starts in the early spring which means they will have one (student led) practice a week followed by tournaments usually all day saturdays all spring spring football after school for a month which is mostly just drills since there is nobody to play so it gets pretty tedious after the spring game we begin qualifying for state 7on7  if they make it to state (we always do) they will spend an entire weekend playing 7on7 in july starting in june we have summer workouts from 6-8am, this lasts until the first day of two-a-days in august now couple that with practicing and playing into late November.......it's a lot man |
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Post by fshamrock on Dec 1, 2016 9:11:56 GMT -6
Mostly for the HC's out there, has there ever been a time that made you think that you might be pushing your staff too much and you took a step back? no sour grapes from me...I really like where I work and we get after it but stay within the bounds of human reason...but I keep hearing more stories about some the HC's around my state and crazy stuff that is required of the team. Some examples: knew a guy who had a Saturday morning practice during fall camp...part of the practice was spent practicing how to run out of the big blowup before the game...they spent a good chunk of time...practicing this........ Of course pictures were taken and tweets transpired. A guy who has a off-season meeting every morning an hour before school....they have been doing the same off season for a while, there is really nothing to meet about, but it's on the schedule so the meeting happens regardless another group was required to stay after school for an hour or so every day and that they were no longer allowed to be on the internet in the field house computers, when he walked into the office, he wanted to see the coaches around the big table coming up with way to make them better.....which led to them sitting and staring at each other after school every day for an hour there are lots of examples...pretty much any situation where the staff is treated like high school kids, I once talked to a guy who was coming around to interview and he had a coordinator position as his previous stop and was applying for a regular position job...when I asked him why he was leaving...he said he loved being a coordinator but he was sick of getting screamed at in front of the kids, working every waking hour, and then being told on more than a few random days that he was going to be up against another coach in a dance competition before practice that day as a "team building" exercise you guys who made the jump from Assistants to HC and maybe went a little crazy...when did the crazy set in? was is driven by outside pressure?...was there a moment where you realized "holy crap i'm working these guys to death" and changed up?....the subject is fascinating to me My personal favorite was one that I read on this board: A HC in Texas (Where else?): A guy who required his assistants to leave their cars parked at the field house all night after a loss. That way anybody driving by could see that the staff was "Working to get it fixed". Either I put that one here or somebody else who was in that area at that time but I knew that guy...crazy thing is he continue'd to parley himself into new HFC jobs every few years despite not winning much and having to hire a new staff every season......he is now the AD at a fairly large affluent district in Central TX a-holes finish first I suppose |
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Post by fantom on Dec 1, 2016 10:07:40 GMT -6
My personal favorite was one that I read on this board: A HC in Texas (Where else?): A guy who required his assistants to leave their cars parked at the field house all night after a loss. That way anybody driving by could see that the staff was "Working to get it fixed". Either I put that one here or somebody else who was in that area at that time but I knew that guy...crazy thing is he continue'd to parley himself into new HFC jobs every few years despite not winning much and having to hire a new staff every season......he is now the AD at a fairly large affluent district in Central TX a-holes finish first I suppose Guess he just figured out how to play the game. He didn't say that the staff had to actually STAY at the field house all night, just make it look like they did. |
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Post by jbutch17 on Dec 1, 2016 10:18:04 GMT -6
Mostly for the HC's out there, has there ever been a time that made you think that you might be pushing your staff too much and you took a step back? no sour grapes from me...I really like where I work and we get after it but stay within the bounds of human reason...but I keep hearing more stories about some the HC's around my state and crazy stuff that is required of the team. Some examples: knew a guy who had a Saturday morning practice during fall camp...part of the practice was spent practicing how to run out of the big blowup before the game...they spent a good chunk of time...practicing this........ Of course pictures were taken and tweets transpired. A guy who has a off-season meeting every morning an hour before school....they have been doing the same off season for a while, there is really nothing to meet about, but it's on the schedule so the meeting happens regardless another group was required to stay after school for an hour or so every day and that they were no longer allowed to be on the internet in the field house computers, when he walked into the office, he wanted to see the coaches around the big table coming up with way to make them better.....which led to them sitting and staring at each other after school every day for an hour there are lots of examples...pretty much any situation where the staff is treated like high school kids, I once talked to a guy who was coming around to interview and he had a coordinator position as his previous stop and was applying for a regular position job...when I asked him why he was leaving...he said he loved being a coordinator but he was sick of getting screamed at in front of the kids, working every waking hour, and then being told on more than a few random days that he was going to be up against another coach in a dance competition before practice that day as a "team building" exercise you guys who made the jump from Assistants to HC and maybe went a little crazy...when did the crazy set in? was is driven by outside pressure?...was there a moment where you realized "holy crap i'm working these guys to death" and changed up?....the subject is fascinating to me I got my 1st HC job really, really young (24) and there are certain types of schools that hire 24 yr olds to run the program, awful ones. Given my relative youth, I had a pretty good pedigree in football and obviously some plain old good fortune. Some of the things mentioned here makes my skin crawl. What I see as I bang around the HS game is multifold: A- pettiness everywhere B-You all term this things as ego but it's infantile control C- A messed up vision of what coaching is D- ignorance to the fact that ASSISTANTS are professionals and E- NFL salaries command NFL work schedules, HS salaries command lesser schedules. Points D & E are lost on many, many coaches in the HS game. If your assistants are teachers they are definitely PROFESSIONALS, and should be treated as such. Time domination or the mythical "hours arms race" is another joke, and usually is wasting time. I worked for a somewhat successful guy, who "scrubbed" the trade film, because as he was arguing a call and hot dogging he slipped and fell during his little cry session. A small minded human being would do this. He also had like 15 screaming matches with assistants during the games. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2016 13:31:56 GMT -6
Mostly for the HC's out there, has there ever been a time that made you think that you might be pushing your staff too much and you took a step back? no sour grapes from me...I really like where I work and we get after it but stay within the bounds of human reason...but I keep hearing more stories about some the HC's around my state and crazy stuff that is required of the team. Some examples: knew a guy who had a Saturday morning practice during fall camp...part of the practice was spent practicing how to run out of the big blowup before the game...they spent a good chunk of time...practicing this........ Of course pictures were taken and tweets transpired. A guy who has a off-season meeting every morning an hour before school....they have been doing the same off season for a while, there is really nothing to meet about, but it's on the schedule so the meeting happens regardless another group was required to stay after school for an hour or so every day and that they were no longer allowed to be on the internet in the field house computers, when he walked into the office, he wanted to see the coaches around the big table coming up with way to make them better.....which led to them sitting and staring at each other after school every day for an hour there are lots of examples...pretty much any situation where the staff is treated like high school kids, I once talked to a guy who was coming around to interview and he had a coordinator position as his previous stop and was applying for a regular position job...when I asked him why he was leaving...he said he loved being a coordinator but he was sick of getting screamed at in front of the kids, working every waking hour, and then being told on more than a few random days that he was going to be up against another coach in a dance competition before practice that day as a "team building" exercise you guys who made the jump from Assistants to HC and maybe went a little crazy...when did the crazy set in? was is driven by outside pressure?...was there a moment where you realized "holy crap i'm working these guys to death" and changed up?....the subject is fascinating to me I'm a volunteer coach, coaching doesn't put steaks in my freezer (in fact, it takes a LOT out of it) so it's easy for me to say this - I wouldn't work for a jackass HC that requires stupid stuff like that. I work hard at improving my coaching game, I don't need busy work. For all the differences I have with my HC, he's a great guy and is not demanding at all, he actually really respects our Sundays. In fact, probably one of my biggest gripes is that he won't have weekly coaches meetings on Sunday afternoons or evenings. He just says, "No, Sunday is for church and spending with your family." I'm very fortunate to have him running the program. |
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Post by dytmook on Dec 1, 2016 16:21:00 GMT -6
Law of diminishing returns after the spring game we begin qualifying for state 7on7 if they make it to state (we always do) they will spend an entire weekend playing 7on7 in july That sounds TERRIBLE!!!! |
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