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Post by silkyice on Mar 9, 2018 9:22:08 GMT -6
Its always the football coach not telling his players to lift weights and go out for winter and spring sports. Did you mean the "not"?
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Post by silkyice on Mar 8, 2018 12:59:18 GMT -6
AD didn't want to choose sides. The baseball coach basically made out multi-sport athletes to choose This is a hill worth dying on if an AD.
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Post by silkyice on Mar 8, 2018 12:41:52 GMT -6
There is more than one way to skin a cat, but the cat still needs skinned. Love it
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Post by silkyice on Mar 8, 2018 11:16:18 GMT -6
I would ask about @kurtbryan, but I have to go to clinic.
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Post by silkyice on Mar 8, 2018 10:02:25 GMT -6
We drug test here. If a kid is caught with drugs he out of athletics for 1 year. And yes everyone runs track. Every athlete is required to participate in 2 sports. It's in the Athletic Handbook. If they don't they are removed from athletics. You didn't answer the question. If a kid gets suspended for a game, do you suspend everyone? Of course not. But that is the logical conclusion of you have to run because Johnny forgot his butt pad and if one runs, we all run. Sorry for being a jerk there. If group punishment works, fine. Just not a hill I want to die on. I understand that you are trying to teach real life responsibility, but if one of teachers is late to school, you don't get a reprimand also do you? Public or private school. Just doesn't seem like requiring two sports would fly at a public. If private, I actually like the rule. But everyone of our kids play two or more sports anyways by choice.
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Post by silkyice on Mar 8, 2018 9:44:04 GMT -6
Again...I don't get this. What specific action do you hope the other kids (the kids who are on time) will take to remedy this situation? The team wins and loses games together. One of the goals of athletics is to prepare your players to become responsible men. Responsibility is one of the most important. You become a team member then you are responsible for your actions and the actions and the actions of the team. Same as winning or losing a game. Not one person wins or loses. It belongs to a team. You're not going to punish one person for a loss. The team owns it. The same is true for attendance. It's a team issue. Your leaders will make sure that everyone is there and on time. I use this as example. Track is an extension of offseason. Every football player is required to participate. If someone misses practice without permission, then the whole team, except the one that missed, pushes towels on the gym floor. Funny how it only takes one time and they learn to be at practice on time. Our team leaders make sure that the person that missed is on time each practice. You make every football player run track? Kids hate group punishment. If a kid gets caught drinking/drugs/fighting/cheating/whatever and his punishment is a game suspension, does the whole team get suspended?
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Post by silkyice on Mar 8, 2018 9:33:06 GMT -6
It's been my experience that some people don't trust that you have their best interest at heart when training athletes from your sport. From your post, I believe you do & I think your AD needs to see that. However, I know alot of coaches that are against the weight room for their sport. IDK why lol but its true. You're correct...it is true. Our JV basketball coach told his players that they couldn't lift because it would "throw off your shot". True story. In 2018, someone still says that lifting will "throw off your shot" in basketball.......stunning. And as another example of why our coaches are awful: When asked if players can lift in the mornings, the same coach said "You don't need to take up my season lifting. I don't ask players to take shots during your season." My reply, "and that's why your record sucks." What do these coaches say when presented with fact that NBA and college basketball teams ALL have strength programs? That they lift during the season. That Michael Jordan gives some of the credit of getting over the hump and beating Detroit to weight lifting. The problem is there is a touch of truth to what they are saying. If I have never lifted and do 3 sets of 10 on bench press and burnout, I can't even wash my back much less shoot straight for a couple of days. LOL. If I do all that right before practice and haven't been lifting, I will shoot poorly for a little while. But once they have been lifting for a few weeks, lifting will do nothing but improve their shot. Had a guy score 29 in the state championship basketball game. Won MVP of the tournament. Can shoot the lights out from way deep and is super explosive. Won his weight class in powerlifting literally the very next week. His head coach ENCOURAGES his kids to lift. Bball banquet was this Sunday night. He challenged two freshman to get stronger and work harder in the weight room in front of the whole crowd. But he has only coached in the ACC and SEC for two decades. I can hear the conversation he would have with your basketball coach right now. "You don't want your guys to be stronger? To be faster and jump higher? You are an idiot."
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Post by silkyice on Mar 8, 2018 8:46:44 GMT -6
I can agree with this, unless this is the ONLY problem there is with this kid. Not saying that means it is ok or that you shouldn't resolve it, just that there very well could be more to the story.
I have read OP's (unc31) posts on here for years. He is an experienced, highly successful coach.
I believe if there was more to the story he would've dealt with it by now or included it in his post.
I always felt part of my responsibility as a HS coach was to teach kids the importance of punctuality as a part of self-discipline, that "90% of success in life is being where you're supposed to be when you're supposed to be there."
If a kid refused to GWTP in something like that which was completely within his control, at some point we would have a parting of the ways.
Fair enough.
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Post by silkyice on Mar 8, 2018 8:44:49 GMT -6
So here's my issue....stay with me as long as possible. I start structured weight room every year on the first week of December and it runs throughout the school year and summer, as most programs do. I invite ALL (girls and boys) athletic programs to lift with us and offer to tailor their workouts to what ever the coach might want, specifically the in-season teams so that it might take some burden off of the head coach in concerning him/her self with training. I do this for 2 reasons: 1. I think that EVERY kid in our athletics program should be in the weight room and lifting properly with a structured program suited to their needs. 2. I want to take some burden off of our head coaches who are in-season or pre-season, as it's not that hard for me to work with their athletes when I'm off-season. All of that being said, I only have a few programs that take me up on the offer (girls soccer, girls softball, and girls basketball). None of the other sports lift on their own regardless of the time of year. That brings me to the first question: Why the crap wouldn't you want someone to train your athletes with absolutely NO extra effort, responsibility, or time required of you? I'm asking this because many of those in-season kids are MY football players. I want them to train, but their coaches won't let them train in-season (even if it's only twice a week.) ISSUE NUMBER 2. The varsity track coaches (boys and girls.. they co-coach both teams). Don't spend ONE SECOND with their athletes outside of their scheduled season until about 3 weeks before their first meet. At that point they approach the AD and tell him they want the weight room for themselves after school (3:00) until 4:45. Despite the fact that I fill out a yearly calendar and reserve the WR for after school lifting (for all sports) in advance. The AD has caved to this for the past 3 years (including this year) and told us that we're out. Here's my problem... I've been training my athletes (many of which are THEIR athletes) since November and now they want to demand the weight room to themselves 3 weeks before their season? To be clear, they're not doing this because they don't understand or because they're simply unaware...they're D-bags. Believe me, I have a million examples of how I know this, but I won't kill you with them here. So my next question is: Am I missing something and just not getting it? I think I may have been a little hasty when discussing this with our AD last week in stating that we have awful coaches who don't put any time or consideration into our school's athletics. I continued by telling him that they are paycheck hounds who have no idea how to approach athletics of any kind and that we'll always have mediocre to bad athletics as long as we have guys like this on staff. I don't want to come off whiny, but I'm sick of busting my pickle to put together a great program for our boys only to have other coaches pee on it with their garbage effort and habits. What to do? Opinions? Tell me I'm wrong. You are 100% correct. If admin won't back you, nothing you can really do. Try some type of education. I would email articles about programs that all lift year round. About baseball players, bball players, golfers, etc lifting to be better and safer. Who knows, maybe one will change their mind? Then maybe that one has success and someone else changes their mind then. I find it funny that the track guys want to lift three weeks before the season but not at other times. I am a huge believer in the weight room, but that sounds counter productive. I think that is only asking for over-training, injury, and detrimental results. Just funny. I also find it ironic that girls softball, soccer, and basketball take you up on the offer. Sounds like there will be some girls that train year round. Have the girls been having success? That could be a selling point.
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Post by silkyice on Mar 8, 2018 8:33:10 GMT -6
Tell him at start of season the first two times he is late there will be after-practice "makeup."
The third time he will sit out half a game.
The fourth time he will be suspended for a game.
The fifth time he will be dropped from the program.
His attitude as indicated by his actions says he is a "me first" kid who thinks his time is more important than yours or the other players'. It sounds as if he is being willfully insubordinate.
That can be contagious or cancerous, the kind of thing that can cause a team to fall apart from within. I can agree with this, unless this is the ONLY problem there is with this kid. Not saying that means it is ok or that you shouldn't resolve it, just that there very well could be more to the story.
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Post by silkyice on Mar 6, 2018 21:33:50 GMT -6
Why is he late? Are his parents around? Does he have trouble getting rides or getting mom or dad out the door on time? Does he have little brothers and sisters he is responsible for? If the kid is just being lazy, then punishment is warranted. It sounds like he is a hard worker who wants to be involved with the team. There might be something else going on. This is what I was going to ask. Why is he late? Ride, parents, girlfriend? Is he embarrassed about something? Is he using the bathroom? Does he not like getting dressed in front of others? There just might be some reason that is greater than the punishment in his mind. 100% just making up an example. Kid has to change shirts to go workout. That means someone might see his weird looking birthmark on his chest that someone made fun of years ago. So he waits until everyone leaves and no one can see him change shirts, so he is always late. He would rather do bear crawls than someone see that birthmark.
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Post by silkyice on Mar 6, 2018 14:05:42 GMT -6
Wasn't saying football is a right. I was saying that over the course of history, rights/issues usually erode or get resolved slowly instead of all at once. Change is usually slow instead of abrupt. Not always, but usually. If someone would have tried to ban peewee football 20 years ago, it would have been dismissed without further discussion. And football is SAFER now!!! More awareness, better protocols, better rules, better helmets, better techniques, etc. You start with pw football and then move on to the next thing. There are a million examples of these types of things. Freedoms slowly disappear until you aren't free anymore.
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Post by silkyice on Mar 5, 2018 22:39:02 GMT -6
Posted something similar in the "admin won't let us max" thread. It applies here. Gasp. My daughter maxes and she played peewee football in 6th grade. LOL at all these adults trying to outlaw it. And anyone who doesn't think there are some using this as a way to get their foot in the door to later outlaw middle school football and then high school football, is naive. Just to be curious, what do you think is the motivation for this conspiracy you believe is true? Conspiracy makes it sounds like it is hidden and that I think there are aliens or the Illumnati is behind it. Or maybe even TacoBell. Lol It isn’t hidden. There is literally a legislative body trying to outlaw peewee football. There are doctors and sjw calling for football to be banned. Look at any social/political issue. Rights and issues don’t just suddenly disappear or get resolved all at once. There is always a “slippery slope”. Give an inch now and take a mile later. I do not want to bring up examples because I don’t want to turn this into a political debate. Not the place. But that is just how politics works. Ban football for 12 and under. Then in two years 14 and under. Then in 2-4 years, high school, etc. I don’t think this going to happen, but I do believe there are people who would like for this happen. As for their motivation? I don’t know. Political gain, control, sjw, maybe they really believe this is best, maybe they really believe football is evil, maybe they really believe football causes irreparable brain damage to everyone who plays it, maybe the football players didn't ask them on dates in high school, maybe they think all football players are bullies, maybe they were jealous of football players? I don’t know. Don’t care.
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Post by silkyice on Mar 5, 2018 13:06:55 GMT -6
Posted something similar in the "admin won't let us max" thread. It applies here.
Gasp. My daughter maxes and she played peewee football in 6th grade. LOL at all these adults trying to outlaw it.
And anyone who doesn't think there are some using this as a way to get their foot in the door to later outlaw middle school football and then high school football, is naive.
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Post by silkyice on Feb 27, 2018 10:15:29 GMT -6
Fortunately we have always had multiple retired NYPD on staff... they don't even go to Shoprite without packing Also the local Archdiocese has put together a fund to hire a private security company to every Catholic school in the city... the same rule applies to them (even though they are paid as "unarmed"). Wasn't it the NYPD who was only hitting what they were shooting at like 18% of the time? That stat actually sounds pretty good. We fire 5-6 times and hit the shooter once. Also, if he is being shot at, he will be taking cover instead of just picking off defenseless students. If he isn't taking cover, then our hit rate goes way up.
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Post by silkyice on Feb 23, 2018 19:58:03 GMT -6
Having cans of hornet/wasp spray in your room and spraying at the face of the intruder is decent idea if you do not have better alternatives. Maybe keep a bucket of baseballs in your room. Give each kid a few. Someone asked a sherif deputy about the hornet spray idea during a drill a few years ago. He said that the spray from a fire extinguisher to the face would be just as disorienting, would require less accuracy, and the fire exteinguisher could double as a blunt object for self defense. I don’t disagree. But you could have 5 people all from the back of a room or in corners shooting wasp spray. And have a fire extinguisher.
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Post by silkyice on Feb 23, 2018 9:15:57 GMT -6
Having cans of hornet/wasp spray in your room and spraying at the face of the intruder is decent idea if you do not have better alternatives.
Maybe keep a bucket of baseballs in your room. Give each kid a few.
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Post by silkyice on Feb 20, 2018 6:45:21 GMT -6
I agree with a good amount of your sentiments in this thread and in general. But with all due respect, your statement here is basically just a wild ass guess, there's no way to discuss or debate a wild ass guess. Probably. My point is that the amount of people we actually touch as coaches is probably pretty small. It seems like the ones who are to save people usually do less than others. When my high school head coach had terminal cancer, over 100 of his former players from all over the country got together with him to honor him. People had to stand outside the church at his funeral. Special man who used the vehicle of football to touch and influence thousands. Just don’t think he would have had the same impact as an insurance salesman.
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Post by silkyice on Feb 15, 2018 16:07:01 GMT -6
We have had these discussions before.
Obviously football is not some national disaster. Just look at us, our friends, dads, coaches, teammates, etc. The media makes it sound like anyone who played football is now mentally disabled for life.
Football is now safer than ever.
Tremendously better helmets. Better and safer rules. Much improved techniques - heck, we were taught to use our heads, now it is not only don't use your head, don't even hit the other guy in the head. More awareness. Better safety protocols. All for the better.
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Post by silkyice on Feb 15, 2018 10:22:41 GMT -6
I think something being lost (or at least not brought up) in this thread is that it underscores the very debate. It is easy for everyone to identify the acute injuries and causes. My knee is jacked up because ______ my shoulder gives me problems because ________. However when it comes to the mental faculties, it is simply "ah..that is just old age.." or even worse unaware. I played ball for just 4 years...had a few "stingers" (that pain in the trap where you can't move your neck) and a few concussions in my life (caught a flyball with my forehead when I was 8, slammed into a park truck riding a bike looking at the speedometer when I was like 12, and maybe a couple during football) No lasting injuries from any of that, BUT: I do find myself forgetting names more regularly. They just kind of flitter away in the head. Students who I have taught for 3 and 4 years, and more alarmingly the other day. Teacher who I have worked with for 5 years. Just couldn't pull the name. And that is the issue. No clue if any of that is related to any head trauma or not. The problem is that there's no way of knowing if we forget things because of football or because of old age. Agreed. I believe there was a study recently comparing 60 (70?) year olds who played football and didn't in Iowa (?). Found no difference. My grandmother had dementia. She never played football. But wait, her four sons did. Maybe it isn't playing football that causes problems. I think it is watching it. And two of them played college football which is even rougher when you watch it. Sounds like a great lawsuit.
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Post by silkyice on Feb 14, 2018 10:51:17 GMT -6
Where in the hell do you work? JK I used to work in corrections...that was worded poorly.. I am 46 and have been hospitalized 4 times. I knew what you meant. Just having fun. Thanks for your time working in corrections.
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Post by silkyice on Feb 14, 2018 10:40:12 GMT -6
46 all hospital visits were work related Where in the hell do you work? JK
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Post by silkyice on Feb 14, 2018 10:19:10 GMT -6
I started a ketogenic diet about 18 months, high fat/low carb, and it has changed my life! Morning tendon/joint pain is gone, muscle stiffness is gone. Aches that I didn't know I coped with every day are gone. Weight is dropping, but thats about the 11th thing on the list of positives. BP is down (115/72), cholesterol is thru the floor (TOTAL chol 97), I have more energy than Ive ever had all day and still have more than enough to play with the kids when I get home, stretching and flexibility are both improved just thru diet, and I eat a platter of chicken wings at least once a week. My workouts went from killing myself on cardio and being in pain all day, to now I just lift heavy-@$$ weight, feel nothing, and I've dropped 35 pounds. Im 260, wear the pant size I wore when I was 240. Where does that pizza picture fit in?
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Post by silkyice on Feb 14, 2018 10:08:00 GMT -6
Only person Belichick owes an explanation to is his boss. The notion of him owing something to the fans smacks of entitlement. You are not owed anything as a fan. I don't care what BB does in this situation. And you are correct, BB only owes something to his boss. And you are correct, fans aren't owed anything. But, fans don't have to attend and watch either. Best practice is to keep them happy within reason. Thus the reason there are interviews and press conferences in the first place. Otherwise, BB wouldn't even do those. I know that they are mandated by the NFL. And the reason is the fans.
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Post by silkyice on Feb 14, 2018 8:42:35 GMT -6
47. Fine. Just played two hours of intense full court basketball Monday night. Lift heavy (heavy for me) weights once a week.
Played from 4th grade until 12th minus my 8th grade year when I got cut. Late bloomer. LOL
Probably two concussions in my life. Or what we call them now. Fell off something and blacked out when younger. Got slammed on back of head during a tackling drill. Super flash of colored light and might have blacked out for a sec. Don't remember any short-term problems from either time.
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Let me add that we blocked and tackled with our face. How we were taught. We don't teach it that way anymore and we shouldn't. I played o and d line, so I have to have 10,000 (no real idea) of those sub-concussive hits.
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Post by silkyice on Feb 13, 2018 14:28:32 GMT -6
Actually, he is brand new since September. But helps that he has coached in the SEC and ACC for twenty years and that his dad is a legend. Also helps that he is on the guys about getting stronger. Our baseball coach is the same way. Played in minors for 9 years and knows the importance of weight lifting. Funny how the guys that have actually been there and done that, want the kids to get stronger and the "wanna be" bball and baseball coaches don't like it. That being said, I am flexible with these guys and we do workouts, not wearouts! Huh, Wimp's kid is your basketball coach. I had no idea... Congrats to you guys! Wish we could play AISA schools, we still need a week 10 game for next year! Pretty cool when you have Barry Sanderson and John Copeland as boys coaches and Wimp and Scott in the corner cheering on the team. Plus we had the Alabama women coaches, Kristy Curry and her husband Kelly, there and Alabama assistant John Pelphrey cheering us on also because their daughters play with my daughter on the girls team. Saban’s daughter went here along with a lot of Bama assistant coaches’ kids. Hoping whoever they hire as d line coach has a teenage son or two!! Pretty special place. I am very fortunate.
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Post by silkyice on Feb 13, 2018 14:20:29 GMT -6
Actually, he is brand new since September. But helps that he has coached in the SEC and ACC for twenty years and that his dad is a legend. Also helps that he is on the guys about getting stronger. Our baseball coach is the same way. Played in minors for 9 years and knows the importance of weight lifting. Funny how the guys that have actually been there and done that, want the kids to get stronger and the "wanna be" bball and baseball coaches don't like it. That being said, I am flexible with these guys and we do workouts, not wearouts! Huh, Wimp's kid is your basketball coach. I had no idea... Congrats to you guys! Wish we could play AISA schools, we still need a week 10 game for next year! Would be fun! It would help us with scheduling.
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Post by silkyice on Feb 13, 2018 11:35:35 GMT -6
AD here.
Last year we had a girl play softball and soccer. I don't even know how they made that work. LOL. But both coaches and the family all agreed.
This year some tennis players wanted to play soccer. Tennis coach said they couldn't miss practice. I talked with both soccer and tennis coaches and players. Tennis coach didn't want to give in and I was not about to force him to change his policy. He was won 6 straight girls championships and 5 out of 6 boys. He did not want to turn tennis into a "come when you want" type program like it was before he took over. He truly believes in high school tennis as a team sport and that everyone needs to be at practice to help each other.
The two kids (his number 1 and 2 players) both decided to do soccer then. They are both seniors and playing soccer for the first time since elementary. While this didn't work out great for tennis this year, I do believe it is what is best for our tennis program in the future.
We do have a lot of kids who do another sport and track.
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Post by silkyice on Feb 13, 2018 10:10:44 GMT -6
Sounds like that basketball coach has built one hell of a culture there Actually, he is brand new since September. But helps that he has coached in the SEC and ACC for twenty years and that his dad is a legend. Also helps that he is on the guys about getting stronger. Our baseball coach is the same way. Played in minors for 9 years and knows the importance of weight lifting. Funny how the guys that have actually been there and done that, want the kids to get stronger and the "wanna be" bball and baseball coaches don't like it. That being said, I am flexible with these guys and we do workouts, not wearouts!
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Post by silkyice on Feb 12, 2018 18:31:01 GMT -6
Damn. They would have been even better if their weight lifting wouldn't have messed with their shot all year. Y’all are going to love this and I am going to post this in a new thread. The state boys basketball final mvp just won his weight class powerlifting state championship! He won all three lifts and won his weight class by 110 pounds! This kid can really play basketball. He can really shoot, but is the quickest bball player I have ever seen in high school and is explosive. There was a guy we played 13 years ago at a different school. Unreal athlete and quickest kid I had ever seen. He is still playing cornerback in the NFL. Do you know what kind of athlete you have to be a starting corner in the NFL? Anyways, our kid is quicker and more explosive than him in basketball. He scored 47 in a game, and over 30 three more times and scored 29 in state championship game. Here is the best part. We go weigh-in this morning and go to breakfast before the weight meet starts. He says, “those sophomores got to start working harder in the weight room and getting stronger if we are going to be good in basketball next year.” Wow. Give that to your bball players and coaches!
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