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Post by airraider on Jul 31, 2007 5:48:29 GMT -6
anyone else notice the dog up top?? lol
for a minute I was thinking.. SICK MOFO!!
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Post by gmccown on Jul 31, 2007 6:51:01 GMT -6
Not to get into the whole "my offense is better than yours" arguement. But in my opinion there is one factor that everyone misses about DW that limits what a defense can do with those 11 guys in tight. The defense still has to cover 10 areas of attack. These areas are not really "gaps" like you see in offense with splits, but they are literally areas of the defense that we choose to attack. Most DW's who are easily defended are not taking full advantage of the offense and attacking all 10 available areas and occasionally redirecting those areas using an unbalanced attack.
Note that this is in reference to the running attack only from only DTDW or Unbalanced Tight DW. The passing game is a different animal.
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Post by CoachJ on Jul 31, 2007 7:20:33 GMT -6
After reading this whole thread it seems to come back to the same argument that has happened 10 times on this board lately.
I think the attitude of "we are coming at you one way all night" will get beat. I think coming into a game with that attitude takes someone of tremendous ego to think the other side can't adjust.
I would respect my opponent more than that. I don't have to much respect for an opponent that thinks he is such a great coach that he can beat me with one thing over and over again. He better have great athletic talent.
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Post by airraider on Jul 31, 2007 8:24:00 GMT -6
And all the people said.. AMEN!!!!!!
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Post by justwingit on Jul 31, 2007 8:31:30 GMT -6
To go back to the topic -- when we were our best - our running game was 80% four plays -- buck sweep, fullback trap, belly and tackle trap. I did film study of four of our different teams that made the playoffs (from three different schools) and the percentages stayed the same--
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Post by CVBears on Jul 31, 2007 8:43:04 GMT -6
what I can't wrap my head around are the "exceptions to the rule." Furthermore, how many people think that they are exceptions (wanting to be a pro athlete vs. being a pro athlete; wanting to be a phenom coach vs. being a phenom coach).
As an OC, would you like to know for certain what TYPE of coverage you are going to get each down? Or see only one front?
As a DC, would you like to only have to prepare for four plays?
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Post by shs06 on Sept 20, 2007 9:48:52 GMT -6
I can not believe that I read all of that and never stopped.
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Post by gacoach on Sept 20, 2007 13:11:00 GMT -6
I can not believe that I read all of that and never stopped. Very carwreckish, huh?
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Post by Coach Goodnight on Sept 20, 2007 13:23:06 GMT -6
A well coached DW team only needs two plays 88 and 99 super power.....lol... throw in a criss cross and you are dead!
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Post by bigdog2003 on Dec 2, 2008 17:02:48 GMT -6
Cheraw, SC runs the double tight wishbone. They run a lot of dives, power sweeps, and leads. They made state in 04, 05, 06, 07, winning it in 06 and 07. Lost in the quarters this year.
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Post by touchdownmaker on Dec 2, 2008 17:09:11 GMT -6
Remember Tecmo Bowl I? 4 plays I think.
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Post by morris on Dec 2, 2008 20:45:03 GMT -6
Tecmo Bowl had 4 plays 2 run and 2 pass. Super Tecmo Bowl had 4 pass plays 4 runs. I would like to see more on the true topic of this thread. Boone Co HS, KY use to say we have 3 plays and if we run them well we will win St. They never did win St but they made the finals a ton. Highlands HS KY runs a ton of GT and QB draw and have won 18 titles.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2008 21:43:41 GMT -6
Jim Unruh won his fifth state title this past weekend in IL. Illini West (formerly Carthage) ran double dive (both first and second back through), a QB keep off the double dive, trap, bucksweep, waggle pass, and that was about it!!
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Post by silkyice on Dec 3, 2008 8:30:29 GMT -6
To go back to the topic -- when we were our best - our running game was 80% four plays -- buck sweep, fullback trap, belly and tackle trap. I did film study of four of our different teams that made the playoffs (from three different schools) and the percentages stayed the same-- I think that is really what the 4 plays thing is about. I seriously doubt that any school has only 4 plays. It is just that they have 4 base plays that they run around 80% of the time, and if you can't stop them you are dead. But, I bet, if you can slow those 4 plays down, they have a few wrinkles, pa passes, counter, screens, formations, blocking schemes, etc. or whatever to take advantage of what you are doing. Plus, I bet that 1 play is never 1 play. What I mean is that if power is one of the plays, they probably have 3 diffferent ways of blocking it or adjustments. So the defnse might not really count it as one play, but the offensive team might say it is one play. If GT is one of the plays, they probably have 3 different ways of running it. The back might run it, the QB might run it, the slot might run a counter with it. Again the offense might say it is one play, but the defense would say it is 3.
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Post by airitout616 on Dec 4, 2008 18:33:20 GMT -6
one of the main reasons a team, especially a spread team employs a bunch formation is to either force teams to "zone it up" or run mesh/rub stuff all day long against their man defense as they rub defenders off as they try to stay locked on man. "RUB" IS JUST A FANCY WORD FOR "PICK" WHICH IS ILLEGAL. NEXT ISSUE. Tell that to the 100,000,000 spread teams that use bunch and compressed formations.
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Post by airman on Dec 4, 2008 19:07:12 GMT -6
go down to the buick and turn left, right or back if the db beats you to the buick. If you beat the db to the buick then keep on running.
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Post by 1coachhansen on Oct 1, 2014 11:03:22 GMT -6
Wedge Trap Power Counter Sweep
DW Fab 5.
Now if I could just get my kids to remember to pull on a trap... ugh.
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Post by joelee on Oct 1, 2014 11:10:02 GMT -6
We have a saying on our staff "hard to prepare for easy to block, easy to prepare for hard to block" Its referring to defense but is true of offense as well. Teams that do less seem to do it a lot better.
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Post by joelee on Oct 1, 2014 11:11:46 GMT -6
My 4 at a previous school was counter gap, smash, stick, Dash
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Post by osceola on Oct 15, 2014 20:28:33 GMT -6
Inside Zone tagged with backside routes, Jet Sweep with QB power look, PAP off of jet, 4 vert with comeback options
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Post by 42falcon on Oct 15, 2014 21:35:14 GMT -6
I think this comes back down to what is affecting so many of us:
1) talent vs scheme -player development always wins over scheme (unless scheme is unsound)
2) to what extent can your kids do what you are asking of them? -this is the coaching piece, these dudes that are running 4 plays are coaching the crap out of these plays and understand what they need in each of the key areas to make it go, they are not asking some of those guys to be "superman"
3) often coaches will attempt to compensate scheme for talent -what is that saying, Friday nights are won and lost in Jan something to to that degree?? I am as guilty as anyone for at times trying to "out fox" the other guys and in turn making a simple game into a more complex one...
IZ JET Sweep Quick game Screen game
We suck this year... & it has very little to do with the above 4 plays...
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Post by dubber on Oct 16, 2014 8:48:11 GMT -6
4 plays to win state?
How about
1.) Bench
2.) Power Clean
3.) Squat
4.) Speed Training
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Post by veerman on Oct 17, 2014 11:34:45 GMT -6
1. Run Play 2. Pass Play 3. KO return 4. KO play
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Post by joelee on Oct 17, 2014 12:22:04 GMT -6
There is a coach about 40 miles from me who runs the power I and has been to the finals twice running about 4 plays. He has a cool saying. "Make them put all 11 of their guys in the box with you, I guarantee a couple of them don't want to be there".
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Post by morris on Oct 17, 2014 17:13:21 GMT -6
There is a coach about 40 miles from me who runs the power I and has been to the finals twice running about 4 plays. He has a cool saying. "Make them put all 11 of their guys in the box with you, I guarantee a couple of them don't want to be there". That is a great qoute! I love that line of thinking.
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Post by veerman on Oct 17, 2014 23:25:59 GMT -6
That's a great line.......and very true for most cases.
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Post by coach2013 on Oct 18, 2014 4:19:15 GMT -6
sweep power trap play action
Those four plays can take you far
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Post by jg78 on Oct 18, 2014 4:38:58 GMT -6
There is a coach about 40 miles from me who runs the power I and has been to the finals twice running about 4 plays. He has a cool saying. "Make them put all 11 of their guys in the box with you, I guarantee a couple of them don't want to be there". Ha! As a guy who loves the running game, this is a great quote. As for the question, I don't know what the optimum number of plays is, but I do know there is something to be said for running a simple, sound scheme that the players know inside-out and can execute with virtually no mental mistakes.
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Post by coachklee on Oct 18, 2014 7:43:40 GMT -6
Any of the succesful fullouse T teams in Michigan, trap, lead, keep out pass off of keep out, I hate playing some of those guys...They do a great job.. We've got one of those in week 9. Plus they have some big dudes up front!
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Post by hback41 on Oct 18, 2014 10:56:04 GMT -6
I'm coaching JV. We have lost all of our explosive athletes. We have gone to about 5 plays. Power, power pass, boot/naked, trap, wedge and a few pass routes. We have played our best games offensively. There is something to be said for simplicity.
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