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Post by Coach Huey on Jul 26, 2007 18:58:37 GMT -6
just so i "get it" ...
cover 0 is played ...
if cover 0 is having trouble stopping some of the bunch/mesh stuff go to cover 1 and let FS help over to bunch side...
if cover 1 is getting hurt weakside with run game (option probably or qb run game) you will ... go back to cover 0 or 2 deep man under?
talk shop and help me understand your adjustments from man when the offense has placed you in a tough situation ... what adjustments in coverage do you make? what adjustments in the front/forcing unit do you make?
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Post by phantom on Jul 26, 2007 19:58:45 GMT -6
agreed. this makes a lot of sense running against 12 year olds. right, because no one would dare run man to man at the pro level Nobody runs it every play.
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Post by airraider on Jul 26, 2007 20:05:12 GMT -6
If you went 10-0 for 30 years youd still fall short of Markhams career victory totals...double wing offense, (not balanced, which you swear you must be, and all man to man, which you swear will not work because a career jr high coach thinks it will) think about it,....maybe YOU are wrong. Calande, do you have a huge poster of Don Markham hanging over your bed?
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Post by spread22 on Jul 26, 2007 20:32:29 GMT -6
Who knows why I'm jumping into the sharkpool.
No pro or college team runs exclusively press man coverage. None.
I believe at some point there has to be a ceiling on man coverage ability regardless of how many thousands of hours of reps. Man coverage is far more "athleticism" oriented than most other football skills. A gangly kid who runs a 5.0 forty will top out eventually despite ten billion hours of reps. It is a fallacy to think that more practice ALWAYS leads to better play for all skills. My golf game proves this. ;D Would you not be better served at taking a little practice time and installing some sort of basic zone coverage. This IN MY OPINION will put kids in a better position to be successful which is what coaching is about.
I love to face people who stay in one coverage. It does not matter if it is zone or man. Now a really good man team who mixes in blitzes well and at the drop of a hat may show a heavy blitz look and drop 8 into a zone...that sucks.
Any multiple passing offense will have ways to create favorable matchups with man defenders. Even if we concede that bunching receivers creates rubs and is therefore illegal and irrelevant,(by this logic we should not worry about illicit drug use, it's illegal after all), offenses can easily create matchups between your inside linebacker and their best receiver(s).
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Post by coachcb on Jul 26, 2007 20:54:47 GMT -6
You are a terrible, terrible person, brophy.....
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Post by mojoben on Jul 26, 2007 21:37:00 GMT -6
3ydsandacloud the thing about that Smith Center vs. St. Francis State semi game that is intriging is the fact they BOTH ran the Barta Bone. Coach Lambert, at St. Francis, is a Barta disciple from Smith Center. Also Rogers son, Brooks, runs the same offense at Holton to perfection. Very simple, but very deadly.
I wish I could have seen the game. Both teams had great defenses, but there offenses were shut down. Remember that Smith Center team was putting up 60-70 points a game in the playoffs before that game. WOW!
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Post by airraider on Jul 26, 2007 22:21:43 GMT -6
Steve you say Picks are illegal.. and I might be wrong.. but I think anything other than holding is fair game as long as the ball is not in the air.. but dont quote me on that..
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Post by CVBears on Jul 26, 2007 22:43:24 GMT -6
So is this thread called, "One coverage is all you need to win state?"
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Post by coachjd on Jul 27, 2007 5:25:13 GMT -6
Calande Wrote:
I know some dude in Virginia may want to buy one.
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Post by coachcalande on Jul 27, 2007 5:37:21 GMT -6
He's won 5 CIF titles. 65% is obviously subject to situation, were they all turds before he arrived? Maybe so, like I said, I'm sure he's a good coach and has turned around teams. Believe it or not, there are GREAT coaches that have losing career records. My point of bringing up the comparisons wasn't to attack Markham or put Dodge in the spotlight, it was to point out that numbers, records, etc are all subjective and in reality have no meaning when discussing X's or O's or philosophies. Just because coach so and so did something doesn't mean its feasible for me to do it, their circumstances and talent structure might be completely different. So for you or I to refer to such and such coach's record or accomplishment to justify our position really doesn't do the discussion any justice, their situation and circumstances were and are different. I, as you, can only base my opinion on my personal experiences and observations. My opinion of press 46 is that its GREAT vs ONE dimensional run teams, particuliarly "I" formation teams. IMO, it loses its luster when the offensive formation widens, especially if the TE is split. I have seen first hand our defense in college (pure 46, almost total cov 0,1) get torched by one back spread teams. Our defense had 4 future NFL guys on it, so it wasn't a lack of talent, in fact they were loaded talent wise, however, the defense has structural weaknesses that are much more exposed against one back teams than two back teams. It is also, IMO, very suspect against the option..... so, and I have seen a whole bunch of multiple defenses get torched by spread teams too...whats your point? you cant play man vs a team with no tight end? high school qbs will pick apart a man defense no matter what? hs qbs will throw accurately under a heavy rush every time? the hs wrs will catch every ball thrown to them? every pick, slant, rub, screen, fade, post, dig blah blah will work because my defense is unsound because one man covers one man most of the time? geeze, amazing we have any discussions on man to man defense on this site ever, it obviously doesnt work
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Post by coachcalande on Jul 27, 2007 5:40:32 GMT -6
just so i "get it" ... cover 0 is played ... if cover 0 is having trouble stopping some of the bunch/mesh stuff go to cover 1 and let FS help over to bunch side... if cover 1 is getting hurt weakside with run game (option probably or qb run game) you will ... go back to cover 0 or 2 deep man under? talk shop and help me understand your adjustments from man when the offense has placed you in a tough situation ... what adjustments in coverage do you make? what adjustments in the front/forcing unit do you make? talk shop? no Huey, its much more fun to belittle others opinions and sling insults dont you think? Seriously, dont pretend you dont get it, I have shared this enough before to know you understand my philosophy. simple is where it all starts 1) dont get beat by the run game, MAKE THEM THROW 2) GIVE THE FADE but nothing over the middle 3) pressure the qb, beat him senseless 4) use cover 0, 1 and man under cover 2 or variations that appear to be man under cover two with double coverage on key players or blitzes from man under cover two look that end up as cover 0 or cover 1. its really not that hard is it?
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Post by coachcalande on Jul 27, 2007 5:41:52 GMT -6
Nobody runs it every play. BUT DOES IT GET TORCHED EVERY TIME THE OFFENSE KNOWS ITS MAN? NOPE.
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Post by coachcalande on Jul 27, 2007 5:44:04 GMT -6
Who knows why I'm jumping into the sharkpool. No pro or college team runs exclusively press man coverage. None. I believe at some point there has to be a ceiling on man coverage ability regardless of how many thousands of hours of reps. Man coverage is far more "athleticism" oriented than most other football skills. A gangly kid who runs a 5.0 forty will top out eventually despite ten billion hours of reps. It is a fallacy to think that more practice ALWAYS leads to better play for all skills. My golf game proves this. ;D Would you not be better served at taking a little practice time and installing some sort of basic zone coverage. This IN MY OPINION will put kids in a better position to be successful which is what coaching is about. I love to face people who stay in one coverage. It does not matter if it is zone or man. Now a really good man team who mixes in blitzes well and at the drop of a hat may show a heavy blitz look and drop 8 into a zone...that sucks. Any multiple passing offense will have ways to create favorable matchups with man defenders. Even if we concede that bunching receivers creates rubs and is therefore illegal and irrelevant,(by this logic we should not worry about illicit drug use, it's illegal after all), offenses can easily create matchups between your inside linebacker and their best receiver(s). THERE ARE HIGH SCHOOL TEAMS THAT DO PLAY MAN TO MAN EVERY DOWN AND HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL WITH IT. I DONT COACH COLLEGE OR PRO SO I DONT REALLY CARE IF THEY DONT STAY IN MAN, NOR DO I SAY "ONE COVERAGE" MEANING THAT ITS ALWAYS COVER O...I SAY ALWAYS MAN, CAN BE COVER 2 MAN UNDER, CAN BE COVER 1, CAN BE COVER 0 FROM COVER TWO LOOK, CAN BE "SPY COVERAGE' WITH RUSH ENDS TAKING THE BACKS ETC. STILL, MAN TO MAN AT THE HS LEVEL MAKES GOOD SENSE. GET GREAT AT IT, DONT BEAT YOURSELF WITH BLOWN COVERAGES AND MISCOMMUNICATION.
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Post by coachcalande on Jul 27, 2007 5:46:55 GMT -6
COMON, BRING IT FELLAS, THERE HAVE TO BE MORE GUYS OUT THERE WHOS SPREAD ATTACKS ARE UNSTOPPABLE VS MAN COVERAGE!! WHERE YA AT?!
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Post by airraider on Jul 27, 2007 6:39:33 GMT -6
Who knows why I'm jumping into the sharkpool. No pro or college team runs exclusively press man coverage. None. I believe at some point there has to be a ceiling on man coverage ability regardless of how many thousands of hours of reps. Man coverage is far more "athleticism" oriented than most other football skills. A gangly kid who runs a 5.0 forty will top out eventually despite ten billion hours of reps. It is a fallacy to think that more practice ALWAYS leads to better play for all skills. My golf game proves this. ;D Would you not be better served at taking a little practice time and installing some sort of basic zone coverage. This IN MY OPINION will put kids in a better position to be successful which is what coaching is about. I love to face people who stay in one coverage. It does not matter if it is zone or man. Now a really good man team who mixes in blitzes well and at the drop of a hat may show a heavy blitz look and drop 8 into a zone...that sucks. Any multiple passing offense will have ways to create favorable matchups with man defenders. Even if we concede that bunching receivers creates rubs and is therefore illegal and irrelevant,(by this logic we should not worry about illicit drug use, it's illegal after all), offenses can easily create matchups between your inside linebacker and their best receiver(s). THERE ARE HIGH SCHOOL TEAMS THAT DO PLAY MAN TO MAN EVERY DOWN AND HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL WITH IT. [glow=red,2,300]I DONT COACH COLLEGE OR PRO [/glow]SO I DONT REALLY CARE IF THEY DONT STAY IN MAN, NOR DO I SAY "ONE COVERAGE" MEANING THAT ITS ALWAYS COVER O...I SAY ALWAYS MAN, CAN BE COVER 2 MAN UNDER, CAN BE COVER 1, CAN BE COVER 0 FROM COVER TWO LOOK, CAN BE "SPY COVERAGE' WITH RUSH ENDS TAKING THE BACKS ETC. STILL, MAN TO MAN AT THE HS LEVEL MAKES GOOD SENSE. GET GREAT AT IT, DONT BEAT YOURSELF WITH BLOWN COVERAGES AND MISCOMMUNICATION. And you also dont coordinate a high school defense. But when you do, and you play man all night vs a good passing offense, let us know.. ok?? thanks..
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Post by coachcalande on Jul 27, 2007 6:54:50 GMT -6
Ill do that airraider, nothing I post here carries any weight or validity because
a) I have coached frosh and middle school ball all of my life b) I have coached below the AAAA level c) I have coached in Pa but not in the mighty WPIAL d) I dont coach in Texas e) I dont run a "tv offense" or believe I should be running "tampa 2" with frosh and high schoolers who cant remember what to do from down to down on each call.
look folks, when you get frustrated by my hard headedness "live and die with man, long live the double wing" you can just bring up the level or location of my coaching experience and totally negate anything factual that I might provide to support my philosophies. Look no further than Madden 2007 and youll find that I dont have a clue because youll not find the double wing offense in that playbook...sigh...
Anyhow, tell me one more time why playing man to man is a terrible thing? Im still not sure I really get it.
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Post by ex-centralcoach on Jul 27, 2007 6:55:00 GMT -6
You can continue to do this................ or you can...................
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Post by coachcalande on Jul 27, 2007 6:58:04 GMT -6
btw, it wasnt all that long ago that I had to listen to the know it all naysayers say that the single wing would never work at the high school level - the Pistol is on tv, then Forida runs some single wing plays and WOW Maybe there is a chance it would work at the high school level?! I have heard so much bs on this site over the last year "wont work in our league" "wont work in Texas" etc. Im sure when the spread guys first unleashed their plans that they had to hear "thatll never work" from many ...but they made it work. Air Raider, you of all people should understand needing to keep an open mind. Im sure every time you threw the ball 3 times from the 1 yard line and came away without a td that you get second guessed.
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Post by coachcalande on Jul 27, 2007 7:00:22 GMT -6
This is like a frickin' soap opera...a cat fight. Please lock this thread. Arent you enjoying it? I am thinking of running a white board clinic on playing man to man vs the mighty spread and just letting these guys tear into it. they can fantasize about how every receiver they have will be running free unmolested to the endzone while their qb enjoys 8 seconds of pass protection.
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Post by coachcalande on Jul 27, 2007 7:01:32 GMT -6
On Markham's Double Wing website it shows that he's gone 303-105-1 over a 34 year span in high school coaching.....While noteworthy for longevity, its not astonishing by any means as a winning percentage, a 65% career winning percentage usually will get you fired in most places.... 303 wins out of 409 total games is a 74% winning percentage, which probably won't get you fired. Not taking sides...its just that a math teacher will notice thigs like this! thanks for sharing that. I figured the math was off but I was too busy trying to figure out how to get the caps lock off.
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Post by coachcalande on Jul 27, 2007 7:10:52 GMT -6
You can continue to do this................ or you can................... Notice, he didnt use "hands technique"....next debate, hands vs shoulders.
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Post by ex-centralcoach on Jul 27, 2007 7:22:33 GMT -6
The thing is Calande, i really believe in having more then one coverage. Some OC's are very good at making halftime adjustmentsand i would hope reading coverages, and when it gets to nut-cutting time I had better have another coverage. Not saying that playing Cover 0 is wrong, but playing it every down for me that is just not going to happen. When you talk about a 'heavy rush' are you bring 6 and playing 0 or are you bring 7,8, gun in mouth 9, and man/man with whos left? How in world is that sound? How is teaching Cover 2 or my base zone coverage any more difficult then teaching man to man vs spread teams? I hope i didnt bother you at your shrine this morning........... ;D
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Post by brophy on Jul 27, 2007 7:22:45 GMT -6
I'd agree with coachd5058 about John Curtis (veer) and add (didn't see it) De La Salle, who I believe just run veer and thats it. [gvid]4424794028920750455[/gvid]
Some would argue that these programs COULD run anything and beat you because of the athletes.....but like all things it becomes a chicken-before-the-egg argument, because those "private" schools (& the Catholic Dynasties in Chicago suburbs) are built from the ground-up on doing it "right". Winning begets winning.
John Curtis is a great program, despite how some people would argue against their 'practices'. I am sure no stone is unturned in coaching the veer in the practices that the Curtis family runs. So what do you do, then, to stop it? If all things aren't equal who is "coaching" harder? The Curtis family (here) teaching the same stuff over and over with their athletes for 8 years, or the upstart program trying to play catch-up with them? How does the opposition gain an upper hand? You can't conceiveably put more time into your players.....you can't out 'spend' them in resources....you likely won't be able to "out-athlete" them because they HAVE the best athletes in the Southern part of the State.....So, what do you do? The common answer is to try to at least contain them, or give them enough wild looks to keep them from getting a bead on you and teeing off.
Now, veer itself is a tricky beast to begin with (for a defense)....kinda like how Nebraska dominated the early 90's with just option, toss, & trap. It was what they do. A scheme designed to put defenses out of position only gets more deadly when you add better and better athletes.
There is a general misnomer, however, to this ideology.
"Doing what you do" and "winning" don't go hand-in-hand. The programs mentioned aren't dominating and winning because of the play-calls or the scheme. They prepared their players, parents, boosters, administration.............THAT is what the TEAM is.
Focussing on TEAM just being the 50 some players you have is short-sighted. Have a system, believe in it, and constantly improve to adapt to beat your competition.
NO MATTER what you run, it will work.....given your opponent lets it work.
Are there "issues" that become obstacles to a successful scheme / series-of-plays? Absolutely.
To lose sight of those known deficiencies, is tantamount to burying your head in the sand.
Hang your hat on running the GAM on the college level....be my guest. Run the 2-8-1 defense for the jr high level, go for it. But in any event, it won't work just because "it is"..........it will work if you have a sober perspective of where the offense/defense inherent weakness is and adjust accordingly.
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Post by coachcalande on Jul 27, 2007 7:47:33 GMT -6
The thing is Calande, i really believe in having more then one coverage. Some OC's are very good at making halftime adjustmentsand i would hope reading coverages, and when it gets to nut-cutting time I had better have another coverage. Not saying that playing Cover 0 is wrong, but playing it every down for me that is just not going to happen. When you talk about a 'heavy rush' are you bring 6 and playing 0 or are you bring 7,8, gun in mouth 9, and man/man with whos left? How in world is that sound? How is teaching Cover 2 or my base zone coverage any more difficult then teaching man to man vs spread teams? I hope i didnt bother you at your shrine this morning........... ;D very cute, thanks, ill get that blown up for a new poster. Im not sure how much of the thread you read, but I didnt say play cover 0 every snap. I say play press man every snap, big difference. Playing press and manning up can be "multiple coverage" in that a) we can have 0, 1, 2 or gasp even 3 "safeties" behind that man coverage. Those safeties can be doing several things, 1) covering for a blitzer, 2) free 3) double covering someone so its not really "one coverage" other than the part about one on one or two on one and the receiver having to face a jam on every single down. now when we double cover someone we can jam the crap out of them if we feel we want to. playing press man without a pass rush is suicidal. the key is to find out what the base protection schemes on the other side are and to call stunts and blitzes wisely to exploit those protections. how many protections do most hs teams have? my research tells me that most have 3. half slide, full slide and bob. as a dc I should be able to devise some stunts and attacks to bring a man free at the qb in less than 3 seconds on occasion, i dont want my kids having to run around for 4-5-6 seconds if I can help it. There are other "games" one can play and still be in press man, for example spy coverage, our lbers are free while the des take backout, the free backer can then be used to double cover a rec or blitz while the fs is still free. man to man every down doesnt have to mean cover 0 and blitz 6. but THAT WOULD BE my first choice...sack happy I guess. the very basis of pass defense for me: if we cant cover em, rush em, cant rush em cover em if we cant do either, dont let them have the ball. the nice thing is that im allowing the kids to do what they have been trained to do, press and cover that one man, no difficult reads, pattern reading, closing windows, communication errors etc. Just man up and play with the idea "youre not going to catch the rock"...100% concentration on your man. try it, your kids will thank you for it. NO more pretending that they know what to do on "cloud" or "sky" or "rainbow" or cover 1, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 ( and some of you gripe that you lose? the kids are freaking confused!!!)
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Post by Coach Huey on Jul 27, 2007 7:59:05 GMT -6
just so i "get it" ... cover 0 is played ... if cover 0 is having trouble stopping some of the bunch/mesh stuff go to cover 1 and let FS help over to bunch side... if cover 1 is getting hurt weakside with run game (option probably or qb run game) you will ... go back to cover 0 or 2 deep man under? talk shop and help me understand your adjustments from man when the offense has placed you in a tough situation ... what adjustments in coverage do you make? what adjustments in the front/forcing unit do you make? talk shop? no Huey, its much more fun to belittle others opinions and sling insults dont you think? Seriously, dont pretend you dont get it, I have shared this enough before to know you understand my philosophy. simple is where it all starts 1) dont get beat by the run game, MAKE THEM THROW 2) GIVE THE FADE but nothing over the middle 3) pressure the qb, beat him senseless 4) use cover 0, 1 and man under cover 2 or variations that appear to be man under cover two with double coverage on key players or blitzes from man under cover two look that end up as cover 0 or cover 1. its really not that hard is it? clarify, please ... talking about adjustments to getting "hurt" on some things here --- we all "get hurt" and have to adjust what we are doing ... what are yours? 1) you have made them throw so they are getting into bunch sets and meshing the heck out of you on short/quick throws but since the rubbing is occuring and defenders are trying to chase their man through traffic there is significant separation to allow for gains of 6-7 yds easily and the occassional 15+ ---- what adjustment do you make? 1a) with above adjustment -- does it leave you more vulnerable somewhere else (what did your weakness now become) and what are some things you do to either help offset that weakness or do to keep the overall philosophy the same or close (blitz/heat, etc) while adjusting to the bunch stuff. 2) what do you do out of 2-man that helps get heat on the qb or is it used as the "passing down" defense? 3) what blitz schemes do you use to continually heat up the qb and get pressure? what types of stunts are you using vs BOB protection? how do you adjust these for slide protection? how do you handle things such as speed option from these blitz schemes (adjustments) i'm through "playing" the silliness game --- no more "cliches" (heat 'em up, make 'em throw, bring 1 more than they can block) -- tell me how you move those chess pieces around and end all of the speculation ... (while, yes, it is likely to bring on another round of questions -- at least this time they will need to be more specific since you have shown a schematic, no more "i'll kill man" ... lol i enjoy debates, however i think it needs to be open enough to say ... "fine, but how do you adjust if this ....?" "ah, that helps with that but it does leave something here ...". those things are much more understandable than "well, i'll just chunk it to my guy" ... or "no way you can get that off because i've won x games" ... so, my point is that i'm seeing the man defense all the time thing. however, i'm looking at it's soundness and relative use with what i'm doing .... and by that i mean ADJUSTMENTS to specific problems you are facing. that is all i'm looking for is what adjustments you make once a team is having some success with some things ...
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Post by brophy on Jul 27, 2007 8:06:02 GMT -6
Im not sure how much of the thread you read, but I didnt say play cover 0 every snap. I say play press man every snap, big difference.
Who are the force players when you are in C0 or C2 man under?
Same guys aren't they? You haven't changed anything in terms of defense, then.
All Man or All Zone is like going into a game and playing ALL run or ALL pass.
It is a great philosophy, but it is not flexible and invariably paints you in a corner.
Our job as coaches is to provide our kids an opportunity to be successful for the school (not push our personal agenda)
Coach Calande, run what you want to run. No one can stop you. The folks in this entire thread are not laughing or jeering you......I guess it has turned into an INTERVENTION because they are bringing up some issues where you will need to have an answer for.
The "plays" are nothing more than tools in your tool box. You want to put nothing but a 5lb sledge in your box, and get your kids mastering swinging the sledge......well, what are you going to do when you need a screwdriver?
You sure haven't given the kids the tools needed to be successful in that endeavor but selling out to just one "play"
You can line up in wide-tackle-6 or Bear or Under....but you are still playing man coverage with your ends as force - NOTHING has changed, alignments have changed but it is the SAME defense (same tool)
If I go into a game with nothing but 7-step drop patterns and protections.........that's it..........how does that help the kids if we need to go short? I haven't equiped them - I can't make any adjustments besides "try harder,guys"
no difficult reads, pattern reading, closing windows, communication errors etc.
honestly........this is a serious question.
WHAT IS D-I-F-F-I-C-U-L-T ABOUT PLAYING ZONE OR PATTERN READING?
is it that you don't think the kids can comprehend it, or that you don't have a comfort level with it yet, because you never took the time to understand it?
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Post by airraider on Jul 27, 2007 8:07:49 GMT -6
Ill do that airraider, nothing I post here carries any weight or validity because a) I have coached frosh and middle school ball all of my life b) I have coached below the AAAA level c) I have coached in Pa but not in the mighty WPIAL d) I dont coach in Texas e) I dont run a "tv offense" or believe I should be running "tampa 2" with frosh and high schoolers who cant remember what to do from down to down on each call. look folks, when you get frustrated by my hard headedness "live and die with man, long live the double wing" you can just bring up the level or location of my coaching experience and totally negate anything factual that I might provide to support my philosophies. Look no further than Madden 2007 and youll find that I dont have a clue because youll not find the double wing offense in that playbook...sigh... Anyhow, tell me one more time why playing man to man is a terrible thing? Im still not sure I really get it. Calande, you dont get the point!! You CANNOT play man every down vs a team who likes to spread it out. Here is a little video for you.. Who covers the #3 receiver on the 3 side of a 3x2 empty set for you? If #1 and #2 run slants.. and #3 runs a bubble.. what path does the defender over #3 take to cover? If he goes to him now, then what happens when the Bubble turns into a Wheel? If he goes over top, what happens if the ball is thrown to him now.. what happens if #1 blocks 2nd defender.. #2 blocks 3rd defender? As in Bubble Screen.. Now 1st defender has to recognize it and then make the play? Then I show you a bunch where #3 runs a Slant and Out behind two slants.. how is your 3rd defender going to get through that traffic to buzz down on that route?? And you say cover 2 man under.. well whats your adjustment to Empty? Do you vacate the middle of the field completely?? What about QB Draw??
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Post by coachcalande on Jul 27, 2007 8:08:35 GMT -6
first why assume that we cant defend bunch? If we practice our reactions to bunch and mesh/rub every day we dont necessarily need to do anything different. The kids are taught to decide if and when they need to banjo a receiver for example. Why assume that just because the offense schemes to beat man with its bunch rub package that it will indeed beat the man defense?
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Post by jcarbon2 on Jul 27, 2007 8:16:45 GMT -6
Steve, I love ya man but you hijacked my thread....LOL.
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Post by coachcalande on Jul 27, 2007 8:23:44 GMT -6
Im not sure how much of the thread you read, but I didnt say play cover 0 every snap. I say play press man every snap, big difference.
Who are the force players when you are in C0 or C2 man under?
Same guys aren't they? You haven't changed anything in terms of defense, then.
All Man or All Zone is like going into a game and playing ALL run or ALL pass.
It is a great philosophy, but it is not flexible and invariably paints you in a corner.
Our job as coaches is to provide our kids an opportunity to be successful for the school (not push our personal agenda)
Coach Calande, run what you want to run. No one can stop you. The folks in this entire thread are not laughing or jeering you......I guess it has turned into an INTERVENTION because they are bringing up some issues where you will need to have an answer for.
The "plays" are nothing more than tools in your tool box. You want to put nothing but a 5lb sledge in your box, and get your kids mastering swinging the sledge......well, what are you going to do when you need a screwdriver?
You sure haven't given the kids the tools needed to be successful in that endeavor but selling out to just one "play"
You can line up in wide-tackle-6 or Bear or Under....but you are still playing man coverage with your ends as force - NOTHING has changed, alignments have changed but it is the SAME defense (same tool)
If I go into a game with nothing but 7-step drop patterns and protections.........that's it..........how does that help the kids if we need to go short? I haven't equiped them - I can't make any adjustments besides "try harder,guys"
no difficult reads, pattern reading, closing windows, communication errors etc.
honestly........this is a serious question.
WHAT IS D-I-F-F-I-C-U-L-T ABOUT PLAYING ZONE OR PATTERN READING?
is it that you don't think the kids can comprehend it, or that you don't have a comfort level with it yet, because you never took the time to understand it?
I dont think your argument holds up, playing man to man every down isnt "unsound", yet it might be "less popular" than playing a multiple defense. By teaching my kids man press, Im relying on execution and mastery of a few skills rather than a bunch of skills, communication and trying to decieve the offense. Not much different in theory than saying we can use one formation on offense every single down, havea small playbook and work on executing our plays to perfection. Sometimes IM not sure your posts are meant to do anything other than argue really.
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