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Post by wolverine55 on May 6, 2017 18:42:35 GMT -6
I have to say no, I don't think a ton of parents will scheme the school for a $1.50 a day free lunch if they find out a kid forgot his lunch money and got a free lunch. Maybe a few will but those kids probably need a lot more help than the free lunches their parents are sneaking for them. We must be talking about two different things then. Agree, if a kid gets one free lunch, parents aren't going to scheme that. I was talking about a kid who never pays and says his parents didn't give him money and got free lunch everyday. Which brings up another problem. I am a kid and my parents give me $10 for lunch that week. But I know that if I tell the lunch lady that I have no money that she will give me lunch anyways. Hmmm. Maybe I just keep that $10 every week. I know 5 kids in my 7th hour class alone that would pull that off...
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Post by Defcord on May 6, 2017 19:16:54 GMT -6
I have to say no, I don't think a ton of parents will scheme the school for a $1.50 a day free lunch if they find out a kid forgot his lunch money and got a free lunch. Maybe a few will but those kids probably need a lot more help than the free lunches their parents are sneaking for them. We must be talking about two different things then. Agree, if a kid gets one free lunch, parents aren't going to scheme that. I was talking about a kid who never pays and says his parents didn't give him money and got free lunch everyday. Which brings up another problem. I am a kid and my parents give me $10 for lunch that week. But I know that if I tell the lunch lady that I have no money that she will give me lunch anyways. Hmmm. Maybe I just keep that $10 every week. I guess, I just think that in the grand scheme of things that kid doesn't out weigh the benefits of helping kids in need.
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Post by silkyice on May 6, 2017 19:19:09 GMT -6
We must be talking about two different things then. Agree, if a kid gets one free lunch, parents aren't going to scheme that. I was talking about a kid who never pays and says his parents didn't give him money and got free lunch everyday. Which brings up another problem. I am a kid and my parents give me $10 for lunch that week. But I know that if I tell the lunch lady that I have no money that she will give me lunch anyways. Hmmm. Maybe I just keep that $10 every week. I guess, I just think that in the grand scheme of things that kid doesn't out weigh the benefits of helping kids in need. We already have free and reduced lunch programs!!
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Post by Defcord on May 6, 2017 19:25:00 GMT -6
We must be talking about two different things then. Agree, if a kid gets one free lunch, parents aren't going to scheme that. I was talking about a kid who never pays and says his parents didn't give him money and got free lunch everyday. Which brings up another problem. I am a kid and my parents give me $10 for lunch that week. But I know that if I tell the lunch lady that I have no money that she will give me lunch anyways. Hmmm. Maybe I just keep that $10 every week. I know 5 kids in my 7th hour class alone that would pull that off... I was a poor bastard growing up. On free lunches from kindergarten on. I also was first one in lunch line everyday. Somewhere around second grade a rich kid said he would but my lunch a dollar a day. I did that till 11th grade til my mom married a rich dude. Maybe those 5 kids have a life that dictates they need the free lunch. Or maybe not. I don't know, but in my mind if you are scheming for free lunch it's better than not being at school.
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Post by Defcord on May 6, 2017 19:34:58 GMT -6
I guess, I just think that in the grand scheme of things that kid doesn't out weigh the benefits of helping kids in need. We already have free and reduced lunch programs!! So what percentage of the population not in free and reduced lunch programs do you think are taking advantage of the system? I just don't believe that number is statistically relevant enough to warrant a problem. Maybe I am wrong.
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Post by silkyice on May 6, 2017 21:00:53 GMT -6
We already have free and reduced lunch programs!! So what percentage of the population not in free and reduced lunch programs do you think are taking advantage of the system? I just don't believe that number is statistically relevant enough to warrant a problem. Maybe I am wrong. What are you talking about? You are the one who side we should pay for kids lunches whose parents don't pay. I was merely pointing out flaws in that logic and possible things that could wrong or how it could be taken advantage of. While also noting that we already have a free and reduced lunch system in place to help those types of kids. And also while noting that I have helped kids with food before.
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Post by wildcatslbcoach24 on May 6, 2017 21:01:20 GMT -6
We already have free and reduced lunch programs!! So what percentage of the population not in free and reduced lunch programs do you think are taking advantage of the system? I just don't believe that number is statistically relevant enough to warrant a problem. Maybe I am wrong. The middle class mind set sadly is the greatest and worst aspect of American culture. It creates a strong sense of independence and work ethic, yet it blinds us to regional and generational poverty and the inequity of the system. Sadly, we all too often put racial blinders up to this issue as well and if affects, subconsciously, how many see this issue. What it comes down to is those kids will remember the small kindness of you letting them eat and they will usually work their a$$e$ off for you if you. On top of that if you coach in the community you teach in that hungry kid could become your starting Mike or QB in a few years, especially if you teach elementary or middle school.
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Post by Defcord on May 7, 2017 3:08:14 GMT -6
So what percentage of the population not in free and reduced lunch programs do you think are taking advantage of the system? I just don't believe that number is statistically relevant enough to warrant a problem. Maybe I am wrong. What are you talking about? You are the one who side we should pay for kids lunches whose parents don't pay. I was merely pointing out flaws in that logic and possible things that could wrong or how it could be taken advantage of. While also noting that we already have a free and reduced lunch system in place to help those types of kids. And also while noting that I have helped kids with food before. I was saying that even if a few kids take advantage of the system, it's still good to have a system in place to make sure every kid gets the opportunity to eat, whether they qualify for free/reduced lunch or not.
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Post by coachcb on May 8, 2017 8:37:42 GMT -6
Ha! I'm trying to convince our school board to completely ban all food and drinks (except for water) outside of the lunch room next year. I walk past another teacher's room and can actually hear the kids getting fatter and lazier with every crunch of the potato chips they're stuffing in their faces. Here is the only issue I have with food in school. We have an early morning lifting PE class, 6:30-7:30 AM each day and a Character Development and Leadership class that follows from 7:30-8:10 AM each day. I teach both, between those two classes, I encourage kids to eat food and we sell them Gatorade Protein bars and shakes for $1 each, some of these kids are in both classes and some don't bring $1 for Gatorade, but will bring Pop Tarts that they threw in their bag the night before, a PB&J sandwich, a couple yogurts, fruit, whatever, because, as a football coach I'm telling them to eat, get their three squares and as many snacks in as they can. Most of these kids have practice after school and might not eat supper until 7:30-8 PM. I understand we're probably not talking about the same students here, the kids I'm talking about aren't bringing in McDonald's ten minutes after class starts, but I think if you give them the opportunity and draw a line, it can be done. My #1 rule is, Don't do dumb things. I think most can agree showing up 10 minutes late with McDonalds is dumb, is eating a Gatorade Protein Bar and drinking a shake at 7:45 AM during class as breakfast a dumb thing to do? I understand it gets grey sometimes, but I am lenient so the kids that I want, get the food that I think they need. We're at nearly 100% free-reduced meals throughout the day and I know that the vast majority of our kids eat a solid breakfast and lunch. I would have fewer problems with the kids if they weren't sucking down junk food all day long. Hell, I'd probably let the kids bring food and drinks into the classroom if they weren't walking down the hallways with soda and potato chips all day long.
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Post by larrymoe on May 8, 2017 8:56:06 GMT -6
I think one thing to think about in this situation is what level of school do you work in? Grade school kids not getting to eat lunch is a little out of their control and I feel a far deal more empathy to them than most of the HSers I into that don't eat.
Because of this topic when I took lunch count this morning I asked kids why they weren't eating lunch (only 2 of 14 said they were eating it and on average only 3 do). The only one who responded he wasn't because of money had two of the USA Mt Dews on his desk, a piece of Casey's pizza and a new IPhone. I don't have a lot of empathy for that and if you change the lunch policy to no one has to pay, I can assure you there are scores of kids who will take advantage of it.
As stated numerous times- if there is a true need, there are already programs in place to deal with that. 80% of the time in most of these cases where people don't pay it isn't out of need. It's out of different priorities.
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Post by jgordon1 on May 8, 2017 9:25:35 GMT -6
I think one thing to think about in this situation is what level of school do you work in? Grade school kids not getting to eat lunch is a little out of their control and I feel a far deal more empathy to them than most of the HSers I into that don't eat. Because of this topic when I took lunch count this morning I asked kids why they weren't eating lunch (only 2 of 14 said they were eating it and on average only 3 do). The only one who responded he wasn't because of money had two of the USA Mt Dews on his desk, a piece of Casey's pizza and a new IPhone. I don't have a lot of empathy for that and if you change the lunch policy to no one has to pay, I can assure you there are scores of kids who will take advantage of it. As stated numerous times- if there is a true need, there are already programs in place to deal with that. 80% of the time in most of these cases where people don't pay it isn't out of need. It's out of different priorities. What is really interesting about this conversation w/ respect to priorities, is we spend less as a % of income for food than at any other time in the history of man. which i THINK a partial reason for misplaced priorities
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Post by silkyice on May 8, 2017 10:16:43 GMT -6
I think one thing to think about in this situation is what level of school do you work in? Grade school kids not getting to eat lunch is a little out of their control and I feel a far deal more empathy to them than most of the HSers I into that don't eat. Because of this topic when I took lunch count this morning I asked kids why they weren't eating lunch (only 2 of 14 said they were eating it and on average only 3 do). The only one who responded he wasn't because of money had two of the USA Mt Dews on his desk, a piece of Casey's pizza and a new IPhone. I don't have a lot of empathy for that and if you change the lunch policy to no one has to pay, I can assure you there are scores of kids who will take advantage of it. As stated numerous times- if there is a true need, there are already programs in place to deal with that. 80% of the time in most of these cases where people don't pay it isn't out of need. It's out of different priorities. THIS!
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Post by coachcb on May 8, 2017 10:54:27 GMT -6
I think one thing to think about in this situation is what level of school do you work in? Grade school kids not getting to eat lunch is a little out of their control and I feel a far deal more empathy to them than most of the HSers I into that don't eat. Because of this topic when I took lunch count this morning I asked kids why they weren't eating lunch (only 2 of 14 said they were eating it and on average only 3 do). The only one who responded he wasn't because of money had two of the USA Mt Dews on his desk, a piece of Casey's pizza and a new IPhone. I don't have a lot of empathy for that and if you change the lunch policy to no one has to pay, I can assure you there are scores of kids who will take advantage of it. As stated numerous times- if there is a true need, there are already programs in place to deal with that. 80% of the time in most of these cases where people don't pay it isn't out of need. It's out of different priorities. We've got a kid on reduced lunches that is well over three bills. He eats two servings of breakfast and lunch and wanders around the halls with a big bag of chips and a 64 oz cup of soda, all day long. His folks have been trying to get him to hit the weight room with me all year long because he's gained so much weight but he refuses. They're concerned about his weight and I told them that he really needs to lay off of the junk food. They looked at me like I was a friggin' fascistic for suggesting that the kid actually stop eating 10,000 calories worth of chit a day.
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Post by CS on May 9, 2017 6:12:57 GMT -6
Subs that don't do anything that you wanted them to
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Post by Defcord on May 9, 2017 6:30:03 GMT -6
Subs that don't do anything that you wanted them to I gave up on subs a long time ago. I leave my clock 4 minutes slow so kids don't start packing up early on me. My kids never notice it so they pack up with 1 minute to go...perfect timing. One day I had a sub change my clock. I really don't care what subs do when I am gone. Take your $104 a day; I will be back tomorrow. But for goodness sakes keep your hands of my shittt.
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Post by fantom on May 9, 2017 6:36:13 GMT -6
Subs that don't do anything that you wanted them to It drives you nuts. Here's the worst that I ever had: It was an Honors history class, a good group. It was later in the year so they were trained and knew that if I showed a video there would be a quiz when I got back. The sub watched a few minutes of the video, said that it was boring and, despite the protests of the kids, went home and brought in her own video, "Mahogany", a Diana Ross film about a fashion designer. The next day when I walked in they rushed me, begging and pleading that the'd told her that I'd give them a quiz. I believed them and, since the video was a good supplement but not critical, moved on.
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Post by fshamrock on May 9, 2017 7:18:34 GMT -6
I once had a sub bust out a cosmopolitan magazine and start reading the article "101 ways to please your man" and talking about it with the kids, they escorted her out 2nd period. Which was a bummer because she was one of the few good looking subs we got at that school. Worst part was after the fact the hens in the teachers lounge gave me hard looks like the whole thing was somehow my fault
things that make me rage in the classroom? the hens: the busybody old biddies and their younger cohorts who live desperate lives surrounded by cats and golden girls episodes, the ones who feel like how you do your job is somehow their business and all they do is sit in their circles and squawk
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Post by rosey65 on May 9, 2017 7:27:41 GMT -6
We have a big sub shortage in our area, as im sure most of you do as well. Whenever a job is not picked up by a sub, they send the class out to me. They sit in the bleachers while I try and run my class. It happens at least once a week. Its dumb, but I get the sub pay, so I really dont mind it at all. It can get fairly lucrative towards the end of each semester.
What gets me, tho, is when the teachers come back to school and ask why I didnt cover the material that was left in the sub folder. And it isn't that they ask, its the sighing, groaning, and rolling of the eyes to my face. They are the same hens and busybodies mentioned about, they live in their own little bubble, completely unaware of what goes on around them.
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Post by phinfan on May 9, 2017 7:29:01 GMT -6
I can't stand for subs to move stuff around in my room. Im not the neatest but I know this stack of papers on this corner is football stuff that stack on the other corner is make up work etc. I had a sub come in clean everything off my desk and put it in just one big stack. It took me 2 weeks to get back organized.
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Post by larrymoe on May 9, 2017 7:48:00 GMT -6
Subs that don't do anything that you wanted them to My wife, a 3rd grade teacher, had a sub have the kids color. All day. 8:10am-3pm. Coloring. She was super happy.
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Post by gccwolverine on May 9, 2017 7:53:47 GMT -6
Subs that don't do anything that you wanted them to My wife, a 3rd grade teacher, had a sub have the kids color. All day. 8:10am-3pm. Coloring. She was super happy. Some day I wish I could just color.......
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Post by larrymoe on May 9, 2017 8:02:17 GMT -6
My wife, a 3rd grade teacher, had a sub have the kids color. All day. 8:10am-3pm. Coloring. She was super happy. Some day I wish I could just color....... I'm to the point of time here I might just start coloring.
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Post by wolverine55 on May 9, 2017 8:05:50 GMT -6
This is making me feel very fortunate: our district has good subs. Most of them are actually retired teachers or other people who at some point in their adult lives worked for the district in some capacity.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2017 8:20:15 GMT -6
For me, it's not so much stuff the kids do as much as it is the stuff parents and admin lets them get away with. 1. Disrespect towards myself, students, school property, or teachers of any kind. 2. Kids who don't care enough to put forth any effort and are ok with failing, while admin goes off on me over it. 3. Parents who have the hookup with admin so their kids get to be royal turds in every class. 4. Lying and constant excuse making--especially when this comes from parents. The little annoying stuff, like tardiness, spinners, asking to go to the bathroom 3 times in every class, I can handle all that. Thankfully, I'm now at a school that doesn't put up with any of the stuff on this list. Life is good.
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Post by gccwolverine on May 9, 2017 8:20:26 GMT -6
I was just reminded of something which makes me rage in the classroom:
I have a class which is a problem class. Last class of the day, classic under achievers and unmotivated bunch, coupled with serious classroom management and behavioral issues. Because of such, It's a "Co-taught" class meaning I "have" a "co-teacher."
By "have" I mean he's assigned to be in here and in the room and working with me and the students. However about half the days of 1st semester he was nowhere to be found. Either driving a bus for the district at the end of the day so leaving early to get to the bus shop, get the bus, and get back. Or doing personal things like printing out {censored} for his "training and certification" program, or doing laundry (yes he was doing personal laundry one day), or trying to sell his truck, he had someone come up to the school to take a test drive one day around the school parking lot, so on and so forth. Never here and if he is or was hes about as useful as, I do the lesson and then we split the class up for them to do their work in smaller groups. Its just a mess. Absolutely makes me want to snap.
Those precious days he is here he becomes more a distraction and classroom management issue that the kids sometimes and gets them unfocused and off track more often than helping. 1 day last week the staff got ice cream from the principal during our 10 minute afternoon break. Normal people smashed the ice cream during the break then got back to work to finish the day. This guy, brings the damn thing into the classroom distracting the kids getting them all riled up over the ice cream and basically shooting the entire class period and killing it as a result. Or he'll sit in the back and be on his phone distracting me and the kids.
Worst part about it..... he's "on" our football staff. He's about as useful there as he is co teaching too.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2017 8:36:28 GMT -6
Much like the way 7 on 7 coaches and training "gurus" are making money on the backs of children, many districts are paying "consultants" an arm and a leg just to show up and meet with the teachers that are doing the real work. Consulting is where the real money's at in education. Get a PhD, write a book (even on the most asinine or common sense premise), and then market the crap out of it. You'll make several times more than you ever would as a teacher, especially if you can somehow tie a fancy iPad app into it. A few years back, my friend's district paid several thousand dollars for a consultant to come in and sell them copies of his book and lead workshops. His earth shattering plan to turn the school culture (and test scores) around? "Just never give zeroes. Don't let kids fail." That was it. Somehow he managed to write 100+ pages about this. Kid doesn't do the work? Just keep asking him for it. Call his parents if he doesn't cooperate. The idea was that if you tell kids enough times to do something, they would eventually do it, but kids figured out pretty quickly that "no zeroes" meant "I don't need to do anything." When the end of the year came, it turned out that about a third of their kids had literally just stopped doing any work for months because they thought it didn't matter. Admin at his school told teachers they could give no grade lower than a 50 on any assignment so as not to violate the policy put in place by the district, so the kids just got moved right along. At least the district dropped the program the next year.
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Post by newt21 on May 9, 2017 9:34:38 GMT -6
Much like the way 7 on 7 coaches and training "gurus" are making money on the backs of children, many districts are paying "consultants" an arm and a leg just to show up and meet with the teachers that are doing the real work. Consulting is where the real money's at in education. Get a PhD, write a book (even on the most asinine or common sense premise), and then market the crap out of it. You'll make several times more than you ever would as a teacher, especially if you can somehow tie a fancy iPad app into it. A few years back, my friend's district paid several thousand dollars for a consultant to come in and sell them copies of his book and lead workshops. His earth shattering plan to turn the school culture (and test scores) around? "Just never give zeroes. Don't let kids fail." That was it. Somehow he managed to write 100+ pages about this. Kid doesn't do the work? Just keep asking him for it. Call his parents if he doesn't cooperate. The idea was that if you tell kids enough times to do something, they would eventually do it, but kids figured out pretty quickly that "no zeroes" meant "I don't need to do anything." When the end of the year came, it turned out that about a third of their kids had literally just stopped doing any work for months because they thought it didn't matter. Admin at his school told teachers they could give no grade lower than a 50 on any assignment so as not to violate the policy put in place by the district, so the kids just got moved right along. At least the district dropped the program the next year. It's like you're talking about my school....minus the dropping of the program that is
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Post by coachcb on May 9, 2017 9:35:36 GMT -6
@coacharnold
We had a speaker come in during a PIR day once and he talked about "performance based grading". His lecture made sense initially; ditch the A-F grading scale and go with Pass or Fail. The kid either learns the material or they don't. Knowing 61% of the math in my class and passing is honestly a joke; they won't get away with doing less than two thirds of their job when they graduate..
But, he starts to tell stories about "applied knowledge" and how that "displays competency". He told us some sob story about a struggling kid who "passed" a quiz in American History by bringing a model B-17 to the guy after school and basically explaining the plot to "Memphis Belle". The kid couldn't finish a written quiz over the European Theater of WW2 but he got a "Pass" because he showed the teacher a toy after class.
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Post by newt21 on May 9, 2017 9:36:16 GMT -6
We have a big sub shortage in our area, as im sure most of you do as well. Whenever a job is not picked up by a sub, they send the class out to me. They sit in the bleachers while I try and run my class. It happens at least once a week. Its dumb, but I get the sub pay, so I really dont mind it at all. It can get fairly lucrative towards the end of each semester. What gets me, tho, is when the teachers come back to school and ask why I didnt cover the material that was left in the sub folder. And it isn't that they ask, its the sighing, groaning, and rolling of the eyes to my face. They are the same hens and busybodies mentioned about, they live in their own little bubble, completely unaware of what goes on around them. We have the big sub shortage too, but instead of doing what they do to you, they take away planning time from various teachers all day long to cover and the district pockets the sub pay. So we lose planning time, pick up an additional class to teach, and don't get a thing for it.
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Post by rosey65 on May 9, 2017 10:02:40 GMT -6
We have a big sub shortage in our area, as im sure most of you do as well. Whenever a job is not picked up by a sub, they send the class out to me. They sit in the bleachers while I try and run my class. It happens at least once a week. Its dumb, but I get the sub pay, so I really dont mind it at all. It can get fairly lucrative towards the end of each semester. What gets me, tho, is when the teachers come back to school and ask why I didnt cover the material that was left in the sub folder. And it isn't that they ask, its the sighing, groaning, and rolling of the eyes to my face. They are the same hens and busybodies mentioned about, they live in their own little bubble, completely unaware of what goes on around them. We have the big sub shortage too, but instead of doing what they do to you, they take away planning time from various teachers all day long to cover and the district pockets the sub pay. So we lose planning time, pick up an additional class to teach, and don't get a thing for it. That's brutal. We'll get 1/7th of the sub pay if we only take 1 period. We used to do it that way, but we had a REALLY bad shortage a few years ago, the AP talked with me, the secretary ran it thru payroll, and no one at the district said boo. It's now the way things are run, now. What sucks, tho, is testing season. Since mid-april, any teacher who had to proctor a test has been sending their other classes out to us, too. With 2-4 periods at a time, we've had over 200 periods of coverage thrown at us over the past month, often 5 classes at once. Coupled with the gym shut down for 2 weeks for AP testing...there's been a lot of sitting in the cafeteria and doing crossword puzzles for us. On the positive, my admin DEFINITELY knows what sort of chicken chit they've given us, and their expectations are pretty low for our "chicken salad."
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