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Post by rsmith627 on Apr 26, 2017 4:38:28 GMT -6
Inspired by my thread about what makes you a rage in our game, and the funny things we see in the classroom thread, what makes you rage in the classroom?
I have 3 big ones:
1. Bottle flipping (if you don't know what it is it's a stupid game that kids play). 2. Hate speech of any kind, but especially the word retard. Not cool. 3. The kid who refuses to even try an assignment and is just cool with failure.
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Post by 50slantstrong on Apr 26, 2017 5:59:30 GMT -6
Kids that hide behind their parents. They're not enough of an adult to talk to me about their grade and they know why they're failing (pure laziness). instead of doing something about it it's more convenient to tell their parents they don't know why they're failing and I have to sit in a parent teacher conference and tell them to their face in front of their parents that they're lazy. And then the admin keeps the ball in my court and tells the parents I should've been making calls home. Screw that. If little johnny can't open his textbook and write the definition to five words in a 50 minute class period then it should be a serious academic intervention issue not a "the teachers aren't doing enough to help your son issue".
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Post by Defcord on Apr 26, 2017 6:18:30 GMT -6
I probably wouldn't say I rage about anything in the classroom anymore, but am annoyed by several things:
1. You are spot on with bottle flipping...strictly banned in my class. First flip and your bottle goes in the trash. 2. Kids getting out of their seats without permission for anything but turning in an assignment or sharpening their pencils. Bad things tend to happen when kids wonder. 3. Lining up at the door at the end of the period. My kids don't do it anymore. I have them conditioned that they can't leave their seats to leave class at the end of the period until I say "have a great day; you're all wonderful children." If for reason someone gets up early I make an obnoxious DA DA DA DAAAAA sound until till that kid sits then release them. 4. Unless it's after a test kids can't sleep in my class. I don't get mad about it but I let them know if their head goes down on their desk their butt goes to the dean's office. (For obvious illness I may, very seldomly, make an exception.) 5. Same goes for kids that won't work, you work or you leave. *When I send a kid out and it's only about 3-4 times a year, I am overly polite. Part of it is because I am smartass and part of it is because I am not going to fuel that kid's ego and let him think he got to me.
6. (I lied one thing kind of makes me rage). Our kids are allowed to have cell phones in between classes and a couple times kids have walked into class and taken a picture of me. I don't want to be floating around the internet.
7. Hate speech is definitely a major distraction. I use it as a means to create dialogue and hopefully make progress towards getting students to think about diverse populations in a new light. I tell my son everyday "you don't have to be like everyone, but you have to be nice to everyone." I have the same thing written on my backboard. On my front board I have the quote I saw, maybe on here, "If you want to be successful, work hard and be nice to people!"
It took me a long time learn to not take stuff personally as a coach or teacher. One of my buddies told me about five years ago when I was complaining about something, "Why get mad? They are gone in 48 minutes!"
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Post by StraightFlexin on Apr 26, 2017 6:38:57 GMT -6
No accountability here at all 1. I have kids that have over 40 tardies to class (can be no punishment from the teacher). I have a kid on my caseload that has missed about 140 different class periods because she doesn't feel like going that hour. 2. We have a no hat policy, but see at least 10 kids walking through the hall during each passing period with hats. 3. Kids do not attend practice (other sports). I had a very fast football kid that ran track for the first time this years. He is the fastest kid on the track team, but has only been to 3 practices and has ran in every meet. Sets a horrible example for others and has a negative impact on other sports teams.
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Post by fshamrock on Apr 26, 2017 7:38:24 GMT -6
Almost all of my classroom annoyances were about grades, I saw were past tense because I don't really worry about it anymore. This school has put in so many safeguards against kids failing that I'm done fighting the battle.
We have a thousand hoops to jump through just to fail a kid for the grading period, and now we have to get the kids a "credit recovery" week after report card grades go in where they can turn in missing work, and then I have to do a bunch more paperwork to process a grade change or to describe how the kids was given enough opportunities to pass and didn't meet the expectation.......I just waved the white flag, haven't failed a kid in two years and everybody's happy. I'll take any old thing for extra credit at the end of the term and everybody's good.
and you know what?...life is better..the high achieving kids are still high achieving, I don't deal with numbskull parents, and the administration doesn't hassle me ever call me a lazy teacher if you want, say that the kids aren't being prepared for the real world and I'll agree with you, but this is what the bosses want and I'm just a cog in the ol' wheel
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Post by Defcord on Apr 26, 2017 7:51:32 GMT -6
Almost all of my classroom annoyances were about grades, I saw were past tense because I don't really worry about it anymore. This school has put in so many safeguards against kids failing that I'm done fighting the battle. We have a thousand hoops to jump through just to fail a kid for the grading period, and now we have to get the kids a "credit recovery" week after report card grades go in where they can turn in missing work, and then I have to do a bunch more paperwork to process a grade change or to describe how the kids was given enough opportunities to pass and didn't meet the expectation.......I just waved the white flag, haven't failed a kid in two years and everybody's happy. I'll take any old thing for extra credit at the end of the term and everybody's good. and you know what?...life is better..the high achieving kids are still high achieving, I don't deal with numbskull parents, and the administration doesn't hassle me ever call me a lazy teacher if you want, say that the kids aren't being prepared for the real world and I'll agree with you, but this is what the bosses want and I'm just a cog in the ol' wheel A buddy of mine failed a kid. Went through all of the hoops. Documented everything. Admin asked him to change the grade. He said he didn't think he should have to. They said he could do what he want but student pass rate was an evaluation standard. He said okay. You win. He did the grade change and gave the kid an A+. The principal told him he couldn't do that. He said "if we are going to lie, let's lie big." It was a battle I wouldn't have fought but it was amusing to watch.
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Post by carookie on Apr 26, 2017 8:04:28 GMT -6
This is gonna sound weird, but 90% of any classroom annoyances I have are with other teachers. Particularly those who don't do a good job of engaging and educating. Students bottle flipping, texting in class, or not participating, at least in my view, is a sign of not engaging them enough. If it were just about delivering information to the kids then I would have them sit in a massive study hall and learn from an online lecturer; have a couple security guards walk around and call it school (save a lot of money that way). But thats not our job as teachers, our job is to engage these kids- and it can be difficult to make them want to be a part of something compulsory that on the surface is boring- so that they learn.
My number one issue is with "I am here to teach and you are here to learn" teacher. Not because the statement is factually incorrect, technically it is right, rather because said teacher usually doesnt actually teach, they just hand out assignments and drone on. Add on to that the- I can't control my classroom teacher, although usually I feel compelled to help them a bit more if they are trying.
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Post by coachfowler on Apr 26, 2017 8:06:12 GMT -6
Not so much rage but they bug the crap out of me
1. Fellow teachers that don't enforce the rules because they are either to lazy or don't want to bother with it. We don't allow students to have coffee or energy drinks in the building. But I watch them walk by teachers all the time and then I am the bad guy
2. Kid that does nothing all quarter then comes up the day before the quarter ends and wants all their missing work. You haven't done anything up to this point what makes me think you are going to do it all in one night?
3. Parents who think their kid is the most brilliant thing in the world when in fact they are a B student at best. Then I have to hear how their child was a straight A student in 5th and 6th grade so why are the struggling in 8th?
4. Kids asking about retakes for a test before the test is even out. I have now taken away retakes.
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Post by blb on Apr 26, 2017 8:20:32 GMT -6
If it were just about delivering information to the kids then I would have them sit in a massive study hall and learn from an online lecturer; have a couple security guards walk around and call it school (save a lot of money that way).
This is where Public Education is headed - "teachers" as we traditionally think of them will be obsolete and it won't be long.
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Post by raisingcanes on Apr 26, 2017 8:20:46 GMT -6
Bottle flipping is starting to die out in my school but every kid has a freaking fidget spinner now. Ready to take a sledgehammer to all of those things.
I'm the ISS monitor at my school. It really frustrates me that most of the kids I see would be alright if their parents even gave half a crap. Just care a little bit!
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Post by blb on Apr 26, 2017 8:23:34 GMT -6
Some kids are opting to fail classes (because it would be too "hard" to do the work) because they know they can make them up in a week or two on a computer in a "Credit Recovery class" during school - don't even have to go to Summer School unless they opt to take the CR class then.
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Post by fantom on Apr 26, 2017 8:26:02 GMT -6
Almost all of my classroom annoyances were about grades, I saw were past tense because I don't really worry about it anymore. This school has put in so many safeguards against kids failing that I'm done fighting the battle. We have a thousand hoops to jump through just to fail a kid for the grading period, and now we have to get the kids a "credit recovery" week after report card grades go in where they can turn in missing work, and then I have to do a bunch more paperwork to process a grade change or to describe how the kids was given enough opportunities to pass and didn't meet the expectation.......I just waved the white flag, haven't failed a kid in two years and everybody's happy. I'll take any old thing for extra credit at the end of the term and everybody's good. and you know what?...life is better..the high achieving kids are still high achieving, I don't deal with numbskull parents, and the administration doesn't hassle me ever call me a lazy teacher if you want, say that the kids aren't being prepared for the real world and I'll agree with you, but this is what the bosses want and I'm just a cog in the ol' wheel A buddy of mine failed a kid. Went through all of the hoops. Documented everything. Admin asked him to change the grade. He said he didn't think he should have to. They said he could do what he want but student pass rate was an evaluation standard. He said okay. You win. He did the grade change and gave the kid an A+. The principal told him he couldn't do that. He said "if we are going to lie, let's lie big." It was a battle I wouldn't have fought but it was amusing to watch. A buddy of mine (Who had enough years in to retire any time that he wanted) got called into a meeting with a parent and the principal. The parent was complaining about his kid's grade. Dan stayed cool, opened his grade book, took out a pen, and asked, "Well, what grade do you want me to give him?". Parent: "Well, I don't want you to GIVE him anything". Dan (Pen poised just above the grade book): "That's OK. What grade do you want?" After a little more stammering and stuttering the parent walked out and the kid still had the original grade. It was an AP class so it was probably a B.
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Post by **** on Apr 26, 2017 8:29:55 GMT -6
1. Talking without permission. I run my classroom like a prison.
2. Chity administration (lucky to have good ones at my current district)
All my students know that if they don't do the work, and get a bad grade, I do not care. I will let them fail.
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Post by carookie on Apr 26, 2017 9:21:24 GMT -6
If it were just about delivering information to the kids then I would have them sit in a massive study hall and learn from an online lecturer; have a couple security guards walk around and call it school (save a lot of money that way).
This is where Public Education is headed - "teachers" as we traditionally think of them will be obsolete and it won't be long.
Which sucks, a couple years ago we had someone come in and try to sell our school on 'online courses'. I RIPPED into them, I went over what I do lesson by lesson and explained how they could not get that level of engagement online. Kids don't learn best silently, on their own, looking at a screen. They learn best when they are active, engaged, and in social situations. Unfortunately, as you pointed out, thats not where we are going; most parents (and a lot of teachers) don't realize how good quality education can be and what it could look like. So we figure give 'em a tablet and headphones and let them watch quietly, they are going to be staring at a device most of the day anyways. Imagine if we accepted this from our coaching?
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Post by gccwolverine on Apr 26, 2017 9:21:54 GMT -6
F*cking kids shouting out obscure non relavant questions about Osama Bin Laden when you've got a lesson on WWI going on.... happened yesterday.... Snapped
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Post by coachcb on Apr 26, 2017 9:22:02 GMT -6
Some kids are opting to fail classes (because it would be too "hard" to do the work) because they know they can make them up in a week or two on a computer in a "Credit Recovery class" during school - don't even have to go to Summer School unless they opt to take the CR class then. This is the only thing that actually makes me angry anymore. Our education system does not hold kids academically accountable anymore. The IEPs that are being written now enable the kids to the umpteenth degree. I have a sophomore in my class right now that reads at the 4th grade level and can't do simple operations in math without a calculator (he can't tell me what 6x6 is without a calculator.. Seriously?). His IEP has allowed him to just be pushed along from class to class throughout the years and he has no business being in my Geometry class. He knows that his "accommodations" will allow him to squeak by math with a D. He has unlimited time to finish test and quizzes, he can retake them as many times as he wants so he inevitably ends up with a passing grade. My grading scale is weighted heavily on tests and quizzes so he basically has zeroes for all of his homework assignments. He puts forth no effort in class and is a constant behavioral problem. He was suspended from school for five days because of his crap in my class and missed all of the work. He had a test and a quiz to complete when he got back, he took each of them multiple times and finally got a D on them. And, to make it even more interesting, I get to deal with his parents constantly. They have accused me repeatedly of "not following his accommodations" because he doesn't get to retake the same test every time. I don't have to give him the same version every time and I'd fight it if I had to anyway. They finally backed off at the last conference when I told them that his behavior and his academic performance qualify him for two full hours of math in the resource room. They shut their traps and he just sits like a lump in class now because he knows that one more screw up lands him in the resource room for a quarter of his day. He has an F right now so he'll probably just take six weeks to knock out the course this summer (with accommodations of course) and be scooted along his merry way. However, I have talked to the administration and the school counselor about it and he's going to the resource room for a remedial math class next year; I won't put up with this chit in Algebra 2. This is my first year in the school and there was no way this kid should have even been in Geometry; my predecessor just shuffled him through Algebra 1. This situation has been a wake up call for the administration and the school counselor as they have realized that I will bounce a kid like that over to the resource room as quickly as I can if they can't toe the line. This isn't an isolated incident though. I have dealt with this crap every year since I started teaching. We have a senior in the school right now that has been failing classes left and right for almost four years. But, instead of telling him he won't graduate, they're letting him take online courses in the resource room for half the day (with accommodations) and he spends the other half as an "apprentice mechanic" at his father's auto garage. How the hell is this kid going to make it as a mechanic if he can't read or do math above the 3rd grade level? T
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Post by blb on Apr 26, 2017 9:28:10 GMT -6
There are some people out there making significant money off education these days and it isn't teachers, the ones on the "front lines."
But teachers are the only ones being held accountable, including kids-parents.
And that's how the people in charge want it.
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Post by newt21 on Apr 26, 2017 9:35:06 GMT -6
Defiance/Insubordination: we have kids that literally will not do ANYTHING you ask, pretty sure if I asked a few of them to breathe, they would pass out.
Administration with No Backbone: Had a kid tell my wife "F*** you B!***, I ain't gonna do a f***in' thing you say", there was a 5 minute conference with this student and she was back in her class the next day.
Parents: I'm a PE teacher, and they expect their kids to make an A because it's PE. Turns out breathing isn't enough to pass my class, and when little Suzie is killing grass (from not moving), she's not going to pass either.
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Post by Coach Vint on Apr 26, 2017 9:47:39 GMT -6
Some kids are opting to fail classes (because it would be too "hard" to do the work) because they know they can make them up in a week or two on a computer in a "Credit Recovery class" during school - don't even have to go to Summer School unless they opt to take the CR class then. This is the only thing that actually makes me angry anymore. Our education system does not hold kids academically accountable anymore. The IEPs that are being written now enable the kids to the umpteenth degree. I have a sophomore in my class right now that reads at the 4th grade level and can't do simple operations in math without a calculator (he can't tell me what 6x6 is without a calculator.. Seriously?). His IEP has allowed him to just be pushed along from class to class throughout the years and he has no business being in my Geometry class. He knows that his "accommodations" will allow him to squeak by math with a D. He has unlimited time to finish test and quizzes, he can retake them as many times as he wants so he inevitably ends up with a passing grade. My grading scale is weighted heavily on tests and quizzes so he basically has zeroes for all of his homework assignments. He puts forth no effort in class and is a constant behavioral problem. He was suspended from school for five days because of his crap in my class and missed all of the work. He had a test and a quiz to complete when he got back, he took each of them multiple times and finally got a D on them. And, to make it even more interesting, I get to deal with his parents constantly. They have accused me repeatedly of "not following his accommodations" because he doesn't get to retake the same test every time. I don't have to give him the same version every time and I'd fight it if I had to anyway. They finally backed off at the last conference when I told them that his behavior and his academic performance qualify him for two full hours of math in the resource room. They shut their traps and he just sits like a lump in class now because he knows that one more screw up lands him in the resource room for a quarter of his day. He has an F right now so he'll probably just take six weeks to knock out the course this summer (with accommodations of course) and be scooted along his merry way. However, I have talked to the administration and the school counselor about it and he's going to the resource room for a remedial math class next year; I won't put up with this chit in Algebra 2. This is my first year in the school and there was no way this kid should have even been in Geometry; my predecessor just shuffled him through Algebra 1. This situation has been a wake up call for the administration and the school counselor as they have realized that I will bounce a kid like that over to the resource room as quickly as I can if they can't toe the line. This isn't an isolated incident though. I have dealt with this crap every year since I started teaching. We have a senior in the school right now that has been failing classes left and right for almost four years. But, instead of telling him he won't graduate, they're letting him take online courses in the resource room for half the day (with accommodations) and he spends the other half as an "apprentice mechanic" at his father's auto garage. How the hell is this kid going to make it as a mechanic if he can't read or do math above the 3rd grade level? T This is where our system has failed. If a kid fails a class the teacher is questioned. Our system does not hold kids accountable anymore. Everything is justified. A kid who can't read and do basic math should not be in a geometry class, let alone Algebra 1. They shouldn't be in a 9th grade English class. But our system says they have to. There are very few options for those kids. When they can't do the work the teacher is asked to basically enable failure. It is one of the parts of teaching that makes me consider leaving the classroom. The problem is that discipline has left our system. I have been at one school that was exemplary. It is because the kids were held accountable for their work and their behavior. We had systems in place to identify at-risk students and find solutions to help them succeed. Many did, a few did not. But the principal and admin never wavered in holding students accountable behaviorally and academically. Most schools don't do this. They justify below average and ask us to lower standards. Then we inundate them with tests they cannot possibly pass, starting in the early grades. We have taken the education out of education. In my 20 years I have seen changes that are discouraging to say the least. I have spent most of my high school coaching career at schools with high poverty rates. We have kids that have no positive influences at home. They are apathetic because they have been raised in generational poverty and it is all they know. We are seeing more poverty and more parents not willing to hold their kids accountable. Our system is simply cover your tail and take the path of least resistance. Poverty or not, our system is failing.
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Post by StraightFlexin on Apr 26, 2017 9:48:02 GMT -6
Some kids are opting to fail classes (because it would be too "hard" to do the work) because they know they can make them up in a week or two on a computer in a "Credit Recovery class" during school - don't even have to go to Summer School unless they opt to take the CR class then. This is the only thing that actually makes me angry anymore. Our education system does not hold kids academically accountable anymore. The IEPs that are being written now enable the kids to the umpteenth degree. I have a sophomore in my class right now that reads at the 4th grade level and can't do simple operations in math without a calculator (he can't tell me what 6x6 is without a calculator.. Seriously?). His IEP has allowed him to just be pushed along from class to class throughout the years and he has no business being in my Geometry class. He knows that his "accommodations" will allow him to squeak by math with a D. He has unlimited time to finish test and quizzes, he can retake them as many times as he wants so he inevitably ends up with a passing grade. My grading scale is weighted heavily on tests and quizzes so he basically has zeroes for all of his homework assignments. He puts forth no effort in class and is a constant behavioral problem. He was suspended from school for five days because of his crap in my class and missed all of the work. He had a test and a quiz to complete when he got back, he took each of them multiple times and finally got a D on them. And, to make it even more interesting, I get to deal with his parents constantly. They have accused me repeatedly of "not following his accommodations" because he doesn't get to retake the same test every time. I don't have to give him the same version every time and I'd fight it if I had to anyway. They finally backed off at the last conference when I told them that his behavior and his academic performance qualify him for two full hours of math in the resource room. They shut their traps and he just sits like a lump in class now because he knows that one more screw up lands him in the resource room for a quarter of his day. He has an F right now so he'll probably just take six weeks to knock out the course this summer (with accommodations of course) and be scooted along his merry way. However, I have talked to the administration and the school counselor about it and he's going to the resource room for a remedial math class next year; I won't put up with this chit in Algebra 2. This is my first year in the school and there was no way this kid should have even been in Geometry; my predecessor just shuffled him through Algebra 1. This situation has been a wake up call for the administration and the school counselor as they have realized that I will bounce a kid like that over to the resource room as quickly as I can if they can't toe the line. This isn't an isolated incident though. I have dealt with this crap every year since I started teaching. We have a senior in the school right now that has been failing classes left and right for almost four years. But, instead of telling him he won't graduate, they're letting him take online courses in the resource room for half the day (with accommodations) and he spends the other half as an "apprentice mechanic" at his father's auto garage. How the hell is this kid going to make it as a mechanic if he can't read or do math above the 3rd grade level? T I have a parents of a kid on my caseload ask me why he doesn't do homework? How the hell should I know, he lives with you AT HOME
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Post by coachcb on Apr 26, 2017 9:58:40 GMT -6
There are some people out there making significant money off education these days and it isn't teachers, the ones on the "front lines." But teachers are the only ones being held accountable, including kids-parents. And that's how the people in charge want it. This is very true. And, it is also why I am lucky to be certified in mathematics. Schools in this state have a hard time filling math positions so I don't put up with much bullchit any more. I don't bow down to the parents like many other teachers do because I can land another job easily if people decide to screw with me. I already shipped two IEP kids down to the resource room for good this year because they couldn't keep up and I will absolutely do it again. I follow their accommodations but I teach the way I teach and I'm not going to spend my entire year trying to teach Geometry to a kid that can't tell me how to find the area of a square on Day 1. If people don't like it then tough chit; I'll go somewhere else. I don't like being this way because I feel like I am giving up on the kids. But, I'm not going to be held accountable for a kid's lack of learning in my room because no one held them accountable before they got to me.
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Post by bdm on Apr 26, 2017 10:13:43 GMT -6
1. Talking without permission. I run my classroom like a prison. 2. Chity administration (lucky to have good ones at my current district) All my students know that if they don't do the work, and get a bad grade, I do not care. I will let them fail. We are much alike.
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Post by coachcb on Apr 26, 2017 10:19:00 GMT -6
I have thought long and hard about going back to the private schools over the last few years. The pay was crap compared to what I make in the public schools but life was much simpler:
1. You don't do your work, you fail. You fail, you leave the school. There's plenty of public schools available that will treat you like a unique snowflake.
2. You act like a goon, you're kicked out of class. You're kicked out of class, you leave the school. Again, the public schools will come up with some way to tolerate your chit, we won't.
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Post by blb on Apr 26, 2017 10:24:01 GMT -6
I have thought long and hard about going back to the private schools over the last few years. The pay was crap compared to what I make in the public schools but life was much simpler: 1. You don't do your work, you fail. You fail, you leave the school. There's plenty of public schools available that will treat you like a unique snowflake. 2. You act like a goon, you're kicked out of class. You're kicked out of class, you leave the school. Again, the public schools will come up with some way to tolerate your chit, we won't.
Could you please call Betsy DeVos and explain this to her?
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Post by carookie on Apr 26, 2017 10:45:00 GMT -6
I got one, but its really more about education in general though. Whenever they update standards, or learning requirements, or teaching methods required, etc. and the committee that comes up with it is full of parents and members of the community.
I am a professional teacher, it is my profession; I studies hard to become a teacher. I develop lessons, I know how to manage a classroom, and increase rigor of learning. If you want to hire a bunch of "educationeers" to write policy then thats fine (they at least have a background, and are learned in methods); but to bring in moms and dads just because they are stakeholders is insulting.
When you are teaching doctors how to preform surgery you don't first get advice from auto mechanics; when building a skyscraper you aren't asking me about construction techniques. But for some reason everyone in the community gets a say in teaching? Asinine.
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Post by rosey65 on Apr 26, 2017 10:45:28 GMT -6
How about this one... kids who communicate through their friends.
2 kids come up to me Kid A: "Kid B needs to use the bathroom." Me: "Kid B is not a baby. He can ask me himself." Kid B: -drops head, slinks back to seat, stays until bell rings
This happens at least once EVERY day. "Kid forgot his clothes" "kid cant make practice" "kid needs a pencil" It drives me CRAZY!
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Post by coachcb on Apr 26, 2017 10:56:25 GMT -6
I have thought long and hard about going back to the private schools over the last few years. The pay was crap compared to what I make in the public schools but life was much simpler: 1. You don't do your work, you fail. You fail, you leave the school. There's plenty of public schools available that will treat you like a unique snowflake. 2. You act like a goon, you're kicked out of class. You're kicked out of class, you leave the school. Again, the public schools will come up with some way to tolerate your chit, we won't.
Could you please call Betsy DeVos and explain this to her?
Lol... Oh, she will figure it out soon enough. As will every politician that supports the public school voucher system. We have a state superintendent that's been pushing it and she's in for a rude awakening. Here's how I explain it to people that don't understand the private school system: "Lil Johnny is a screw up in school and is failing. Mommy and Daddy claim that it's the "Evil Public School System's" fault because we're "unionized and have poor teachers." Lil Johnny gets to bounce to St. Patrick's School For Talented Irish Teens and St. Patrick's School For Talented Irish Teens gets money from the state in the form of a voucher. St. Patrick's School For Talented Irish Teens knows that Lil Johnny isn't going to cut the mustard but takes him anyway because they get some free money out of the deal. Lil Johnny screws up even worse because they don't have to offer IEPs or any accommodations and ends up kicked out of St. Pat's, is another year behind in school and ends up right back at the "Evil Public School". Meanwhile, people that support the public schools are furious because not only do they vote for school levies but their tax dollars just went to St. Pat's as well." Charter schools fall along the same lines but tax payer dollars are going towards funding the schools AND funding the vouchers for the kids.
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Post by IronmanFootball on Apr 26, 2017 10:59:21 GMT -6
No accountability here at all 1. I have kids that have over 40 tardies to class (can be no punishment from the teacher). I have a kid on my caseload that has missed about 140 different class periods because she doesn't feel like going that hour. 2. We have a no hat policy, but see at least 10 kids walking through the hall during each passing period with hats. 3. Kids do not attend practice (other sports). I had a very fast football kid that ran track for the first time this years. He is the fastest kid on the track team, but has only been to 3 practices and has ran in every meet. Sets a horrible example for others and has a negative impact on other sports teams. #3 is the stuff that makes me leave schools. It's exhausting to overcome 8 months of half azzed coaching and right the ship with those kids (most schools I'm at share 90% of the roster w/ another sport) Luckily we get them in April and can condition them April-Nov but damn April and May can be rough when they stroll in from baseball where they showed up late for the first pitch bc they stopped for BK Broilers and got to jump in and play.
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Post by coachcb on Apr 26, 2017 11:01:32 GMT -6
I got one, but its really more about education in general though. Whenever they update standards, or learning requirements, or teaching methods required, etc. and the committee that comes up with it is full of parents and members of the community. I am a professional teacher, it is my profession; I studies hard to become a teacher. I develop lessons, I know how to manage a classroom, and increase rigor of learning. If you want to hire a bunch of "educationeers" to write policy then thats fine (they at least have a background, and are learned in methods); but to bring in moms and dads just because they are stakeholders is insulting. When you are teaching doctors how to preform surgery you don't first get advice from auto mechanics; when building a skyscraper you aren't asking me about construction techniques. But for some reason everyone in the community gets a say in teaching? Asinine. I wouldn't mind this, to be honest. Let them come up with the standards and curriculum and I'll teach it EXACTLY as they want. This will back them into a corner if they come to my room, b-tching about things. "Well, this is what the community wanted so this is what I am teaching... Maybe you folks need to revise the curriculum a bit more.."
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Post by blb on Apr 26, 2017 11:07:43 GMT -6
Unfortunately coachcb Betsy DeVos was the big mover and shaker behind vouchers and charter schools in our state, and has been doing so for over 20 years. Neither she, her husband, or her children attended a public school, ever.
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