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Post by fantom on Jun 14, 2017 10:11:57 GMT -6
I'm of the belief it is best to avoid contact with admin by any means necessary. Directly telling a parent to contact them because a student is uncomfortable with your class is a pretty good way to get on admin's radar
Understood but after FOUR emails from these parents problem isn't going away-you are not going to resolve it by yourself unless you cave.
If not for support, you should at least bring it to administrator's attention. They hate getting Pearl Harbor'd.
. And make sure to talk to admin before the parent does.
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Post by Defcord on Jun 14, 2017 10:56:11 GMT -6
I empathize with those kids in some ways. I hate public speaking. Last year I was told I had to present a lesson to our staff at PD because our principal loved it when she observed me. I told her I wasn't comfortable and shrugged it off and said don't worry about it. I said ok and a month later when the PD day came up I called in sick. I know it's an irrational fear but it still causes anxiety. I tell my kids in class they are free to opt out of speeches or presentations, but them and their parents have to sign a paper saying they know they will receive a zero and there will be no make up assignment. I am polite about it and tell them it's best to fight through it to overcome the anxiety. If they still don't want to do it, we all move on. I have never had any parent or student issues with this policy. If someone went to the admin, I would be frustrated. I do understand the value of public speaking and wish I was better at it because I think I am terrible at job interviews. But I am at least good enough to keep a job. I hear you and I'm uncomfortable speaking in front of an audience at times too. But the way we're doing summer school is the students have to demonstrate mastery of one content standard in the form of a five minute presentation and that's their grade for an entire semester. Basically they're earning five credits (five months worth of work) in five minutes. That's a pretty sweet deal if you ask me. Barring a note from a medical professional or an IEP which explicitly states the student cannot perform this sort of assingment, I do not feel I should have to make a single accommodation... If I were in that situation, I would suck it up and give the presentation. It would ruin my day, but one day beats five months of retaking the class.
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 14, 2017 15:44:40 GMT -6
Ah, the you don't know me defense. So, it's 4th and 1 and the game's on the line. Kid says he wants out because he's anxious. You gotta let him out because that's you. Anxiety is a part of life. How you deal with it defines you. Nervousness is part of life. Anxiety is a different animal altogether. I don't know if @defcord actually suffers from anxiety but to infer, like you have, that it is common and just part of life is not accurate. You know, I see you you talk big with your rude and condescending dribble on a forum behind a keyboard but I bet you're a little b!tch in person. Nope, not the case.
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 14, 2017 15:48:29 GMT -6
Ah, the you don't know me defense. So, it's 4th and 1 and the game's on the line. Kid says he wants out because he's anxious. You gotta let him out because that's you. Anxiety is a part of life. How you deal with it defines you. I wasn't defending myself by saying you don't know me; just saying you don't have to be sorry for your opinion. It's based on a limited amount of information so feel free to call the shot as you see it. And it's definitely a trait that I wish I could overcome, so I guess I would agree it's a weakness. Well, life's not all 4th and 1. If the player's performance struggled under pressure, then I would consider taking him out. My PD situation was involuntary with no financial or professional rewards. It's more like the "athlete" coaches talk into playing football and he under performs because he doesn't want to be there. I get the job done in the classroom and on the field so I think there's a difference. There are only a few ways to get rid of weaknesses and running from them is not the way to go about doing it. I don't know how you can coach a player in overcoming the or shortcomings when you yourself run from yours.
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 14, 2017 20:11:14 GMT -6
Just saw this on Twitter-
I think a lot of times you have to face your fears. I think everybody has to face their fears.- Nick Saban
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Post by fantom on Jun 14, 2017 20:16:50 GMT -6
Just saw this on Twitter- I think a lot of times you have to face your fears. I think everybody has to face their fears.- Nick Saban Maybe but not always. If the fear doesn't affect your life, who cares if you face it or not. I do have to say, though, that fear of public speaking probably is something to get over if you're going to have a long career as a teacher and coach.
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Post by Defcord on Jun 15, 2017 6:49:12 GMT -6
I wasn't defending myself by saying you don't know me; just saying you don't have to be sorry for your opinion. It's based on a limited amount of information so feel free to call the shot as you see it. And it's definitely a trait that I wish I could overcome, so I guess I would agree it's a weakness. Well, life's not all 4th and 1. If the player's performance struggled under pressure, then I would consider taking him out. My PD situation was involuntary with no financial or professional rewards. It's more like the "athlete" coaches talk into playing football and he under performs because he doesn't want to be there. I get the job done in the classroom and on the field so I think there's a difference. There are only a few ways to get rid of weaknesses and running from them is not the way to go about doing it. I don't know how you can coach a player in overcoming the or shortcomings when you yourself run from yours. If you have overcame all of your fears and weaknesses, you are an impressive human. I haven't. I am still a good coach and teacher so in the mean time I will continue to serve young people to the best of my ability, but I still probably won't give speeches at PD sessions. (Maybe I will think twice about it next time though.)
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Post by Defcord on Jun 15, 2017 6:55:37 GMT -6
Just saw this on Twitter- I think a lot of times you have to face your fears. I think everybody has to face their fears.- Nick Saban Maybe but not always. If the fear doesn't affect your life, who cares if you face it or not. I do have to say, though, that fear of public speaking probably is something to get over if you're going to have a long career as a teacher and coach. I have been teaching and coaching for thirteen years. Have never had a problem in my classroom or on the field. I am a highly effective teacher on every evaluation since my first couple years teaching and I think a pretty good coach. For whatever reason in front of my peers or colleagues it's different. I would never want to speak at staff meeting or a clinic. When I was a head coach I did the parent meetings and banquets because they were mandatory, but if it isn't required I don't do it. I bet there are quite a bit of teachers and coaches that have a fear of public speaking.
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Post by 3rdandlong on Jun 15, 2017 13:22:00 GMT -6
This happens ALL THE TIME to me:
The lesson is explained thoroughly. I go through the whole I do, we do, you do process. I check for understanding. I then ask if there are any questions. It's now time for the you do portion and it's time for the kids to get to work. Inevitable, I hear at least 3-4 kids ask someone near them, "wait, what are we doing?"
Drives me absolutely crazy! I suck at teaching.
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Post by jgordon1 on Jun 15, 2017 16:40:51 GMT -6
This happens ALL THE TIME to me: The lesson is explained thoroughly. I go through the whole I do, we do, you do process. I check for understanding. I then ask if there are any questions. It's now time for the you do portion and it's time for the kids to get to work. Inevitable, I hear at least 3-4 kids ask someone near them, "wait, what are we doing?" Drives me absolutely crazy! I suck at teaching. Sounds like a regular teachers staff meeting to me
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Post by CS on Jun 15, 2017 17:30:26 GMT -6
This happens ALL THE TIME to me: The lesson is explained thoroughly. I go through the whole I do, we do, you do process. I check for understanding. I then ask if there are any questions. It's now time for the you do portion and it's time for the kids to get to work. Inevitable, I hear at least 3-4 kids ask someone near them, "wait, what are we doing?" Drives me absolutely crazy! I suck at teaching. What age group? If its middle school you can cut yourself some slack. There are a million things that they are thinking about at that age and what you're saying is at about 999,999 on the list
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Post by rsmith627 on Jun 15, 2017 19:00:58 GMT -6
Had a girl pretty much skip school all week. Now she wants all of her teachers to move heaven and earth to make sure she has a chance to do her finals.
Yeah...no.
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Post by 3rdandlong on Jun 15, 2017 23:47:34 GMT -6
This happens ALL THE TIME to me: The lesson is explained thoroughly. I go through the whole I do, we do, you do process. I check for understanding. I then ask if there are any questions. It's now time for the you do portion and it's time for the kids to get to work. Inevitable, I hear at least 3-4 kids ask someone near them, "wait, what are we doing?" Drives me absolutely crazy! I suck at teaching. What age group? If its middle school you can cut yourself some slack. There are a million things that they are thinking about at that age and what you're saying is at about 999,999 on the list High school. And it doesn't matter what level. It can be make up English or AP English and Inget the same response. No wonder our guys can't remember to skip pull on power and trap pull on counter.
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Post by natenator on Jun 16, 2017 7:08:51 GMT -6
When I hear about HS teachers who continuously just show movies in class to get out of actually having to teach
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Post by blb on Jun 16, 2017 7:35:52 GMT -6
When I hear about HS teachers who continuously just show movies in class to get out of actually having to teach
That's where Public Education is going - classes being taught by online "streaming" lessons, evaluated by common assessments.
Teachers will no longer exist as we know them. They will be technology facilitators - show the lessons, run test answer sheets through GradeOMatic machine, record on the computer. Check off the boxes on state objectives and submit.
Will also decrease the number of "teachers" necessary and thus lower cost of salaries-benefits.
Follow the money.
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Post by rsmith627 on Jun 16, 2017 7:44:55 GMT -6
When I hear about HS teachers who continuously just show movies in class to get out of actually having to teach
That's where Public Education is going - classes being taught by online "streaming" lessons, evaluated by common assessments.
Teachers will no longer exist as we know them. They will be technology facilitators - show the lessons, run test answer sheets through GradeOMatic machine, record on the computer. Check off the boxes on state objectives and submit.
Will also decrease the number of "teachers" necessary and thus lower cost of salaries-benefits.
Follow the money.
Not being argumentative but our super loathes where education is going. He's actually talking about removing scantron machines because that kind of test doesn't align with his vision for our school district. He also is very actively seeking waivers on things like M-Step testing because he believes that one size fits all testing is nonsense. I doubt he will get anywhere like that but there are still some great minds in education fighting to save it.
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Post by blb on Jun 16, 2017 7:50:09 GMT -6
Not being argumentative but our super loathes where education is going. He's actually talking about removing scantron machines because that kind of test doesn't align with his vision for our school district. He also is very actively seeking waivers on things like M-Step testing because he believes that one size fits all testing is nonsense. I doubt he will get anywhere like that but there are still some great minds in education fighting to save it.
I wish him luck but there are a whole lot of politicians and people making money off education (not teachers or even administrators) that will be pushing back against him and those like him.
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Post by lilbuck1103 on Jun 16, 2017 8:05:34 GMT -6
As long as funding is tied to a certain amount of compliance- education will continue to be driven by $$ and lawmakers. Comply or lose your funding. Not many districts going to buck that trend.
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Post by coachwoodall on Jun 16, 2017 9:08:51 GMT -6
When I hear about HS teachers who continuously just show movies in class to get out of actually having to teach
That's where Public Education is going - classes being taught by online "streaming" lessons, evaluated by common assessments.
Teachers will no longer exist as we know them. They will be technology facilitators - show the lessons, run test answer sheets through GradeOMatic machine, record on the computer. Check off the boxes on state objectives and submit.
Will also decrease the number of "teachers" necessary and thus lower cost of salaries-benefits.
Follow the money.
I don't even run the test through the scantron anymore, the program I use gives the kids and me the feed back immediately, and the grade is automatically added to the grade book.
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Post by utchuckd on Jun 16, 2017 17:13:41 GMT -6
I don't even run the test through the scantron anymore, the program I use gives the kids and me the feed back immediately, and the grade is automatically added to the grade book. One of my buddies holds the answer sheet up in front of the camera mounted on the computer in his classroom to grade his tests. is that how scantron works now?
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Post by poundtherock1 on Jun 16, 2017 17:51:07 GMT -6
I don't even run the test through the scantron anymore, the program I use gives the kids and me the feed back immediately, and the grade is automatically added to the grade book. One of my buddies holds the answer sheet up in front of the camera mounted on the computer in his classroom to grade his tests. is that how scantron works now? We have a program called grade cam that does this. Pretty awesome.
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Post by coachwoodall on Jun 16, 2017 18:56:57 GMT -6
I don't even run the test through the scantron anymore, the program I use gives the kids and me the feed back immediately, and the grade is automatically added to the grade book. One of my buddies holds the answer sheet up in front of the camera mounted on the computer in his classroom to grade his tests. is that how scantron works now? Our district pays for Schoology, which has a testing function. The only time I have to 'grade' is for open response type questions. I love it, I only touch paper on the first 2 weeks of school while the MacBooks are being handed out/kids are conjolled into paying their fees or if they do something stupid to lose the privilege. I make out the test once and it's saved. I push out assignments on it and they turn it in that way. They can ask questions based on the assignment, but it comes as a chat feature so most often the question gets answered by another classmate. I don't have to read sloppy hand writing and I can fact check/cheat check every assignment. I have set up folders for each unit, so now all I have to do is update/add to each one. When they come in and ask, 'What did I miss?" I just point to the board that has the weekly assignment; I don't have to chase down a work sheet, quiz, test, hand out, etc..... It's tied to the PowerSchool program so my classes are automatically loaded and prepped. The only set up I have to do is set up my department and share the tests, assignments, quizzes, hand outs, etc... In fact the only reason I need a printer in my room is for the knuckle heads that are on lock down.
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