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Post by bigmoot on May 26, 2017 10:18:01 GMT -6
Teachers who wont keep their kids in class on the last day of school....
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Post by choprip on May 26, 2017 11:04:53 GMT -6
Some kids are opting to fail classes (because it would be too "hard" to do the work) because they know they can make them up in a week or two on a computer in a "Credit Recovery class" during school - don't even have to go to Summer School unless they opt to take the CR class then. This is the only thing that actually makes me angry anymore. Our education system does not hold kids academically accountable anymore. The IEPs that are being written now enable the kids to the umpteenth degree. I have a sophomore in my class right now that reads at the 4th grade level and can't do simple operations in math without a calculator (he can't tell me what 6x6 is without a calculator.. Seriously?). His IEP has allowed him to just be pushed along from class to class throughout the years and he has no business being in my Geometry class. He knows that his "accommodations" will allow him to squeak by math with a D. He has unlimited time to finish test and quizzes, he can retake them as many times as he wants so he inevitably ends up with a passing grade. My grading scale is weighted heavily on tests and quizzes so he basically has zeroes for all of his homework assignments. He puts forth no effort in class and is a constant behavioral problem. He was suspended from school for five days because of his crap in my class and missed all of the work. He had a test and a quiz to complete when he got back, he took each of them multiple times and finally got a D on them. And, to make it even more interesting, I get to deal with his parents constantly. They have accused me repeatedly of "not following his accommodations" because he doesn't get to retake the same test every time. I don't have to give him the same version every time and I'd fight it if I had to anyway. They finally backed off at the last conference when I told them that his behavior and his academic performance qualify him for two full hours of math in the resource room. They shut their traps and he just sits like a lump in class now because he knows that one more screw up lands him in the resource room for a quarter of his day. He has an F right now so he'll probably just take six weeks to knock out the course this summer (with accommodations of course) and be scooted along his merry way. However, I have talked to the administration and the school counselor about it and he's going to the resource room for a remedial math class next year; I won't put up with this chit in Algebra 2. This is my first year in the school and there was no way this kid should have even been in Geometry; my predecessor just shuffled him through Algebra 1. This situation has been a wake up call for the administration and the school counselor as they have realized that I will bounce a kid like that over to the resource room as quickly as I can if they can't toe the line. This isn't an isolated incident though. I have dealt with this crap every year since I started teaching. We have a senior in the school right now that has been failing classes left and right for almost four years. But, instead of telling him he won't graduate, they're letting him take online courses in the resource room for half the day (with accommodations) and he spends the other half as an "apprentice mechanic" at his father's auto garage. How the hell is this kid going to make it as a mechanic if he can't read or do math above the 3rd grade level? T As a special ed teacher, I agree 100% with you coach. The IEP process is becoming a joke. I am fortunate enough to work with parents that trust me and don't push for unreasonable accommodations, but in general, the entire special education system is failing kids in the long run. We are about to graduate a girl who doesn't know how to plot a point on a graph or find the average of 3 numbers. Diplomas are becoming participation ribbons. It's hard to envision me sticking around for 25 more years. At the same time, graphs are never going to help this kid become a productive member of society (finding an average is probably a skill that we should all have...). Call me barbaric, but we should be tracking kids for their own good.
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Post by choprip on May 26, 2017 12:00:56 GMT -6
I'm going to post again because it's late May and I am in serious vent-mode lol
I love it when kids don't accept responsibility, to a point where it dumbfounds me. I had a tervis water bottle on my desk with a broken lid. Kid comes up to MY desk, picks it up, and spills water all over. Says it is MY fault for having a broken water bottle on my desk. I asked, if someone came up to him and punched him in the face, was it his fault for having a face?
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Post by Coach Vint on May 26, 2017 19:05:57 GMT -6
The fact that kids and parents bear no responsibility for anything.
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Post by rsmith627 on Jun 9, 2017 3:59:52 GMT -6
When you give students a week to work on and submit a final project, repeatedly let them know that they are losing 20 points per day that it is submitted late, they then turn it in 2 days late, and when you finally get it it is a steaming pile of dogchit that could have been churned out in probably less than 5 minutes.
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Post by CS on Jun 9, 2017 6:29:05 GMT -6
When you give students a week to work on and submit a final project, repeatedly let them know that they are losing 20 points per day that it is submitted late, they then turn it in 2 days late, and when you finally get it it is a steaming pile of dogchit that could have been churned out in probably less than 5 minutes. Are you still in school?
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Post by rsmith627 on Jun 9, 2017 6:39:08 GMT -6
When you give students a week to work on and submit a final project, repeatedly let them know that they are losing 20 points per day that it is submitted late, they then turn it in 2 days late, and when you finally get it it is a steaming pile of dogchit that could have been churned out in probably less than 5 minutes. Are you still in school? For another week. Then we go back August 28 because we petitioned the state to start before Labor Day. In Michigan most schools go back the Tuesday after Labor Day.
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Post by jgordon1 on Jun 9, 2017 9:49:25 GMT -6
Glad this got restarted..here I go..This is not made up..I repeat NOT made up..we just got our new grading guidelines for next year. #1 all homework is to be graded as either completed or not done..there is no grading for accuracy. #2 There are no deadlines for assignments due. You are only to grade if they have reached mastery..late work is a behavioral problem so call home and report it to parents #3 any student receiving below a 60 on a test will be allowed remediation and a test retake #4 no zeroes on any assignment worth over 100 points (I actually agree on this one which is why I "chunk" things) #5 No grade lower than a 50 to be given for any quarter grade I SWEAR I AM NOT MAKING THIS UP
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Post by 19delta on Jun 9, 2017 10:01:05 GMT -6
This one is petty, but really pissed me off this spring. Had a kid who started wearing a Spartan Race Beast finisher shirt to school. Wore it every week for a month. For those of you who don't know the Spartan Beast is a 12-14 mile long rice through mud, hills, etc with 30+ obstacles thrown in. I did one last weekend and it took me 6 hours to do and yesterday was the first day I felt normal over it. This kid that wears it doesn't run in PE because he "had too many concussions in JFL and running makes him dizzy". So, I asked him about the shirt one day. He said he and his mom finished it in Ohio last spring. He hasn't participated in PE in three years. Personally I think he's lying on both ends- I think it's mom's shirt too. Why this irritates me is staff and students alike think I'm being a dick for questioning that the kid did the race. "Just let him be" is the response I keep getting. Well...I guess if boys can now claim that they are girls (and vice versa), I would say that a kid who can't make it through a PE class claiming that he finished the Spartan Race is pretty tame by comparison!
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Post by newt21 on Jun 9, 2017 10:40:39 GMT -6
Glad this got restarted..here I go..This is not made up..I repeat NOT made up..we just got our new grading guidelines for next year. #1 all homework is to be graded as either completed or not done..there is no grading for accuracy. #2 There are no deadlines for assignments due. You are only to grade if they have reached mastery..late work is a behavioral problem so call home and report it to parents #3 any student receiving below a 60 on a test will be allowed remediation and a test retake #4 no zeroes on any assignment worth over 100 points (I actually agree on this one which is why I "chunk" things) #5 No grade lower than a 50 to be given for any quarter grade I SWEAR I AM NOT MAKING THIS UPThat's how our school has been doing it for the past few years. Not to one up, but I'm a PE teacher and our former principal actually made us give out worksheets to kids not dressed out/able to participate so they could still earn full credit.....we had kids passing class w/o actually being physically active
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Post by cfoott on Jun 10, 2017 23:43:29 GMT -6
1. I hated bottle flipping until I tried it. True story. 2. Classroom-wise: Some days are boring, and some days are interesting. That's life. Kids need to learn the skill of "suck it up and do it. It ain't always fun." 3. I really rage when kids walk in and ask, "What are we doing today?" Seriously kid? I will tell you when the bell starts class. I hate #3. I absolutely hate #3.
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Post by carookie on Jun 11, 2017 13:03:16 GMT -6
1. I hated bottle flipping until I tried it. True story. 2. Classroom-wise: Some days are boring, and some days are interesting. That's life. Kids need to learn the skill of "suck it up and do it. It ain't always fun." 3. I really rage when kids walk in and ask, "What are we doing today?" Seriously kid? I will tell you when the bell starts class. I hate #3. I absolutely hate #3. Wow, I must be missing the connotation of how #3 is being delivered. I always try to have something new and engaging everyday in class, and when a kid is interested in what it is that makes me happy that they are excited and ready to learn. I usually tell them, "you gotta wait and see," but thats more a matter of me not wanting to give away the surprise.
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Post by jgordon1 on Jun 11, 2017 13:19:01 GMT -6
I hate #3. I absolutely hate #3. Wow, I must be missing the connotation of how #3 is being delivered. I always try to have something new and engaging everyday in class, and when a kid is interested in what it is that makes me happy that they are excited and ready to learn. I usually tell them, "you gotta wait and see," but thats more a matter of me not wanting to give away the surprise. i usually say we are watching a movie....
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Post by wolverine55 on Jun 11, 2017 13:33:10 GMT -6
Glad this got restarted..here I go..This is not made up..I repeat NOT made up..we just got our new grading guidelines for next year. #1 all homework is to be graded as either completed or not done..there is no grading for accuracy. #2 There are no deadlines for assignments due. You are only to grade if they have reached mastery..late work is a behavioral problem so call home and report it to parents #3 any student receiving below a 60 on a test will be allowed remediation and a test retake #4 no zeroes on any assignment worth over 100 points (I actually agree on this one which is why I "chunk" things) #5 No grade lower than a 50 to be given for any quarter grade I SWEAR I AM NOT MAKING THIS UPI've never l heard of number 1 happening anywhere, sadly our school kind of has number 2 as part of "No Zeros" policy but as a staff we're trying to get our administration to change that, number 4 I'm "meh" on but totally get your reasoning, I've worked for a school that number 5 as a policy and it was 12 years ago so may not be that new. Number 3 I actually agree with, because only the students that actually want to improve their learning and grades will take advantage of it--I'm assuming "remediation" means there will be some sort of extra practice they have to complete before given the re-take opportunity.
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Post by 50slantstrong on Jun 13, 2017 9:43:32 GMT -6
Teachers who wont keep their kids in class on the last day of school.... Haha there's a teacher (whom I have no idea how he has a teaching credential) on our campus who begs kids to get passes to hang out in his class at all random periods. The last day of school practically half the class asked if they could hang out in his class so I just let them. TBH, if he didn't act like a kid and try to be buddy buddy with students I'd have told the kids hell no...but he begs kids to be his friend and the admin hasn't done a single thing so screw it, go be his responsibility....
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Post by 50slantstrong on Jun 13, 2017 10:10:25 GMT -6
I think this is going to be the theme of the next school year: I've been in summer school for a week and a half now and I've already gotten this three times:
Parents emailing me telling me their kid can't present in front of the class because they have an anxiety issue and/or they don't like talking. No IEP, no doctor's note, and Little Johnny has no problem clowning around at his desk and trying to get his peers' attention, but he can't stand in front of the class and talk for 5 minutes about something related to academics.
Screw that, be a parent and tell your kid to sack up because whether you're flipping burgers or running a Fortune 500 company, you're going to have to learn to communicate with others
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Post by rsmith627 on Jun 13, 2017 10:49:34 GMT -6
I think this is going to be the theme of the next school year: I've been in summer school for a week and a half now and I've already gotten this three times: Parents emailing me telling me their kid can't present in front of the class because they have an anxiety issue and/or they don't like talking. No IEP, no doctor's note, and Little Johnny has no problem clowning around at his desk and trying to get his peers' attention, but he can't stand in front of the class and talk for 5 minutes about something related to academics. Screw that, be a parent and tell your kid to sack up because whether you're flipping burgers or running a Fortune 500 company, you're going to have to learn to communicate with others I get it in Spanish all of the time. I make those kids do it unless they have an IEP explicitly say they cannot (I have never had this), and you know what? The little babies survive. I can be introverted too so I understand it, but I also survived. I don't make them do the embarrassing chit other Spanish teachers do. The other 3 teachers who share Spanish 3 with me make their kids do a phucin live wax museum, the kind of thing you do in 4th grade. That phucin assignment makes me rage. Instead we do FlipGrid videos (which is a great app and great way to have kids present if they are anxious about being in front of the class).
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Post by rsmith627 on Jun 13, 2017 10:50:19 GMT -6
Fresh rage: I have had 2 kids (really really good kids) get suspended for doing stupid chit this week, which has caused me to have to do extra work to get them their finals.
Really? You can't just not act like a knucklehead for a few more days? C'mon Friday!
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Post by 50slantstrong on Jun 13, 2017 15:23:17 GMT -6
I think this is going to be the theme of the next school year: I've been in summer school for a week and a half now and I've already gotten this three times: Parents emailing me telling me their kid can't present in front of the class because they have an anxiety issue and/or they don't like talking. No IEP, no doctor's note, and Little Johnny has no problem clowning around at his desk and trying to get his peers' attention, but he can't stand in front of the class and talk for 5 minutes about something related to academics. Screw that, be a parent and tell your kid to sack up because whether you're flipping burgers or running a Fortune 500 company, you're going to have to learn to communicate with others Just got email number 4. Been in summer school for a grand total of 7 days.
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Post by blb on Jun 13, 2017 15:31:17 GMT -6
Just got email number 4. Been in summer school for a grand total of 7 days.
(For all the good it will do) - as professionally and politely as you can:
Tell them they need to meet with HS principal face-to-face
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Post by Defcord on Jun 13, 2017 15:49:16 GMT -6
I think this is going to be the theme of the next school year: I've been in summer school for a week and a half now and I've already gotten this three times: Parents emailing me telling me their kid can't present in front of the class because they have an anxiety issue and/or they don't like talking. No IEP, no doctor's note, and Little Johnny has no problem clowning around at his desk and trying to get his peers' attention, but he can't stand in front of the class and talk for 5 minutes about something related to academics. Screw that, be a parent and tell your kid to sack up because whether you're flipping burgers or running a Fortune 500 company, you're going to have to learn to communicate with others I empathize with those kids in some ways. I hate public speaking. Last year I was told I had to present a lesson to our staff at PD because our principal loved it when she observed me. I told her I wasn't comfortable and shrugged it off and said don't worry about it. I said ok and a month later when the PD day came up I called in sick. I know it's an irrational fear but it still causes anxiety. I tell my kids in class they are free to opt out of speeches or presentations, but them and their parents have to sign a paper saying they know they will receive a zero and there will be no make up assignment. I am polite about it and tell them it's best to fight through it to overcome the anxiety. If they still don't want to do it, we all move on. I have never had any parent or student issues with this policy. If someone went to the admin, I would be frustrated. I do understand the value of public speaking and wish I was better at it because I think I am terrible at job interviews. But I am at least good enough to keep a job.
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 13, 2017 17:19:52 GMT -6
I'm sorry, but you're an adult. That's weak as hell.
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Post by Defcord on Jun 13, 2017 17:57:06 GMT -6
I'm sorry, but you're an adult. That's weak as hell. You don't have to be sorry. You don't know me. Having an uncomfortableness in public speaking has it's benefits. It fosters relationship building in coaching and the classroom. Also forces me to really believe in something before I open my mouth about it. We all have our weaknesses. I would rather mine coming from keeping my mouth shut too often than opening it up more than I should.
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Post by rsmith627 on Jun 13, 2017 18:08:56 GMT -6
I'm sorry, but you're an adult. That's weak as hell. You don't have to be sorry. You don't know me. Having an uncomfortableness in public speaking has it's benefits. It fosters relationship building in coaching and the classroom. Also forces me to really believe in something before I open my mouth about it. We all have our weaknesses. I would rather mine coming from keeping my mouth shut too often than opening it up more than I should. Eh, I have the same issues myself. I can rise to the occasion and lead when needed (in my classroom, with my football team, etc.) but tend to stay quiet at other times (among peers at things like PLC meetings) unless I am really passionate and strongly opinionated on something.
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 13, 2017 19:57:13 GMT -6
Ah, the you don't know me defense.
So, it's 4th and 1 and the game's on the line. Kid says he wants out because he's anxious. You gotta let him out because that's you.
Anxiety is a part of life. How you deal with it defines you.
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Post by Defcord on Jun 13, 2017 22:10:42 GMT -6
Ah, the you don't know me defense. So, it's 4th and 1 and the game's on the line. Kid says he wants out because he's anxious. You gotta let him out because that's you. Anxiety is a part of life. How you deal with it defines you. I wasn't defending myself by saying you don't know me; just saying you don't have to be sorry for your opinion. It's based on a limited amount of information so feel free to call the shot as you see it. And it's definitely a trait that I wish I could overcome, so I guess I would agree it's a weakness. Well, life's not all 4th and 1. If the player's performance struggled under pressure, then I would consider taking him out. My PD situation was involuntary with no financial or professional rewards. It's more like the "athlete" coaches talk into playing football and he under performs because he doesn't want to be there. I get the job done in the classroom and on the field so I think there's a difference.
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Post by natenator on Jun 14, 2017 5:54:10 GMT -6
Ah, the you don't know me defense. So, it's 4th and 1 and the game's on the line. Kid says he wants out because he's anxious. You gotta let him out because that's you. Anxiety is a part of life. How you deal with it defines you. Nervousness is part of life. Anxiety is a different animal altogether. I don't know if @defcord actually suffers from anxiety but to infer, like you have, that it is common and just part of life is not accurate. You know, I see you you talk big with your rude and condescending dribble on a forum behind a keyboard but I bet you're a little b!tch in person.
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Post by 50slantstrong on Jun 14, 2017 9:53:17 GMT -6
I think this is going to be the theme of the next school year: I've been in summer school for a week and a half now and I've already gotten this three times: Parents emailing me telling me their kid can't present in front of the class because they have an anxiety issue and/or they don't like talking. No IEP, no doctor's note, and Little Johnny has no problem clowning around at his desk and trying to get his peers' attention, but he can't stand in front of the class and talk for 5 minutes about something related to academics. Screw that, be a parent and tell your kid to sack up because whether you're flipping burgers or running a Fortune 500 company, you're going to have to learn to communicate with others I empathize with those kids in some ways. I hate public speaking. Last year I was told I had to present a lesson to our staff at PD because our principal loved it when she observed me. I told her I wasn't comfortable and shrugged it off and said don't worry about it. I said ok and a month later when the PD day came up I called in sick. I know it's an irrational fear but it still causes anxiety. I tell my kids in class they are free to opt out of speeches or presentations, but them and their parents have to sign a paper saying they know they will receive a zero and there will be no make up assignment. I am polite about it and tell them it's best to fight through it to overcome the anxiety. If they still don't want to do it, we all move on. I have never had any parent or student issues with this policy. If someone went to the admin, I would be frustrated. I do understand the value of public speaking and wish I was better at it because I think I am terrible at job interviews. But I am at least good enough to keep a job. I hear you and I'm uncomfortable speaking in front of an audience at times too. But the way we're doing summer school is the students have to demonstrate mastery of one content standard in the form of a five minute presentation and that's their grade for an entire semester. Basically they're earning five credits (five months worth of work) in five minutes. That's a pretty sweet deal if you ask me. Barring a note from a medical professional or an IEP which explicitly states the student cannot perform this sort of assingment, I do not feel I should have to make a single accommodation...
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Post by 50slantstrong on Jun 14, 2017 9:59:06 GMT -6
Just got email number 4. Been in summer school for a grand total of 7 days.
(For all the good it will do) - as professionally and politely as you can:
Tell them they need to meet with HS principal face-to-face
I'm of the belief it is best to avoid contact with admin by any means necessary. Directly telling a parent to contact them because a student is uncomfortable with your class is a pretty good way to get on admin's radar
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Post by blb on Jun 14, 2017 10:05:28 GMT -6
(For all the good it will do) - as professionally and politely as you can:
Tell them they need to meet with HS principal face-to-face
I'm of the belief it is best to avoid contact with admin by any means necessary. Directly telling a parent to contact them because a student is uncomfortable with your class is a pretty good way to get on admin's radar
Understood but after FOUR emails from these parents problem isn't going away-you are not going to resolve it by yourself unless you cave.
If not for support, you should at least bring it to administrator's attention. They hate getting Pearl Harbor'd.
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