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Post by tog on Jun 9, 2006 9:35:25 GMT -6
one coach do to another, or a group of coaches?
just something that someone needs to get their ass kicked for?
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Post by coachcalande on Jun 9, 2006 9:53:04 GMT -6
WHILE ID NEVER SUGGEST THAT ANYONE HAVE THEIR A$$ KICKED, ID SURELY LIKE TO SEE THEM "MOVE ON" FROM THEIR JOB FOR THE GOOD OF THE PROGRAM AND THE KIDS...
Any "coach" who resorts to: telling lies about his assistants/laying blame on his assistants/criticizing his players/ criticizing the administration/deliberately undermines the other staff members- lying to anyone whod listen to cover up for his own incompetence and foolishness should simply resign and let someone better prepared take the helm. I am fully aware of some coaches who manufacture all kinds of things to try and make themselves look "less guilty" of being lame.
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Post by tog on Jun 9, 2006 9:55:50 GMT -6
obviously, kicking someone's ass is not a very viable answer
doesn't mean that they don't need it though
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Post by coachcalande on Jun 9, 2006 9:59:32 GMT -6
Im sure anyone whos had a boss tell malicious lies about his staff to take the focus off themselves had thoughts about opening a can of whuparse. paranoia in a leadership role is not a pleasant thing, nor is jealousy, envy and wild ego.
I think its just lame to blame your own lack of success on someone else. If youre the boss, be the darn boss and lead someone! no one can follow if you wont lead. I have never blamed any kid or any coach on my staff when we lost. I knew darn well it was my fault for failure to prepare my staff and team properly. period. I would never dream of blaming the pee wee coaches or our cheerleaders for not being loud enough or whatever.
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Post by coachcalande on Jun 9, 2006 10:05:11 GMT -6
Oh, just thought of another one...Its lame for a head coach not to support his assistants in their career goals complaining about "loyalty concerns"...a HC should do everything in his power to promote and defend his assistants.... giving false/poor reviews in references is pretty bad...real bad....again, arse whuppin? no, but step down and let a leader take over, yes.
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Post by coachcb on Jun 9, 2006 10:07:47 GMT -6
Had a coach lie to me once about what the HC wanted on a certain technique. We were at the MS, and I asked him why he wasn't teaching the offensive line to cut block on our three step drop series(passes kept getting batted down on us) He replied that the HC of the HS told him that he thought the cut block was a "dirty piece of sh*t block, he agreed with it and wouldn't teach it". I went to watch the HS play the next day- low and behold the OL was cut blocking on three step drops. I was tempted to go to the HC and ask him if he had said that, but I didn't feel like getting into it with my OL coach, so I just asked the HS OL coach what was being taught. He said that of course the HS HC wanted us to cut block and that they had been teaching it from day one. The '"fairness" of the block even came into question earlier in the season and the HS HC had replied that if it wasn't against the rules that it was fair.
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Post by coachcalande on Jun 9, 2006 10:26:00 GMT -6
ooooooooooooooooh, heres a good one. This happened to me once...a youth coach didnt like me because i wouldnt baby his superduper star son so basically he told a bunch of kids not to play for me because i would do this that and the other thing, lose every game etc etc....course it all got back to me. that was pretty lame. that guys not coaching any more and of course his own kids are a complete mess. I feel bad for the kids.
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Post by coachjoe3 on Jun 9, 2006 10:31:41 GMT -6
So and So "is the only player I'll allow to be babied."
Heard that from my HC last fall during two-a-days after I got on the player for lack of effort.
A$$ whuppin' offense? Probably not. It's not as bad as what some other coaches have heard, but it got my goat just the same . . .
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Post by seagull73 on Jun 9, 2006 10:41:34 GMT -6
Middle school coach's response to getting a bad end of year evaluation because he wouldn't run the program's systems.
"If I knew I was going to be judged on that I would have done it"
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Post by coachcalande on Jun 9, 2006 11:15:24 GMT -6
Middle school coach's response to getting a bad end of year evaluation because he wouldn't run the program's systems. "If I knew I was going to be judged on that I would have done it" DID HE KNOW HE WAS SUPPOSSED TO RUN THE VARSITY SYSTEM? DONT ASSUME IT. MY FIRST HEAD COACHING GIG WAS JR HIGH AND NO ONE TOLD ME WHAT TO RUN,...I RAN WISHBONE, POWER I AND PRO I AND FLEX BONE STUFF TOO (ALL POORLY) NOBODY CARED THEN... BUT 2 YEARS LATER WHEN WE WERE ROLLING OVER EVERYONE RUNNING DW/SW IT SURE SEEMED TO MATTER. DONT ASSUME ANYTHING, SPELL IT OUT. NOT EVERY COACH KNOWS THAT ITS THE EXPECTED THING...AT LEAST I DIDNT.
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Post by senatorblutarsky on Jun 9, 2006 14:09:19 GMT -6
All of mine aren't real serious (though I'm sure a lot of stupid stuff happened that I forgot or ignored)... one of the best was in an overtime game (first year at a school that had never played overtime)- we scored first- missed the PAT, their series went: no gain, loss of 8, inc... so 4th and goal at the 18, an assistant (good guy/great coach... just a little confused) came up to me and screamed "What if they kick a field goal?!" I almost called time-out... when I thought about it a bit, turned to him and said "then we win by 3".
Anyway, we got a sack and won 20-14.
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Post by brophy on Jun 9, 2006 15:58:12 GMT -6
One night I remarked to one of my player's grandmothers, that our defense was probably the greatest thing ever created.
She didn't agree with me.
So I kicked her A**
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Post by groundchuck on Jun 9, 2006 16:05:31 GMT -6
I had a player break his leg the 5th game of the season. In January an assistant coach who wanted my job told this player's dad that the reason he broke his leg was because I called a trap play instead of the play he suggested. HE said if he were the head coach he would not have called this play and his son would be out of the basketball court right now. This has to be the sorriest thing I have ever heard.
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Post by poweriguy on Jun 9, 2006 19:30:32 GMT -6
Middle school coach's response to getting a bad end of year evaluation because he wouldn't run the program's systems. "If I knew I was going to be judged on that I would have done it" DID HE KNOW HE WAS SUPPOSSED TO RUN THE VARSITY SYSTEM? DONT ASSUME IT. MY FIRST HEAD COACHING GIG WAS JR HIGH AND NO ONE TOLD ME WHAT TO RUN,...I RAN WISHBONE, POWER I AND PRO I AND FLEX BONE STUFF TOO (ALL POORLY) NOBODY CARED THEN... BUT 2 YEARS LATER WHEN WE WERE ROLLING OVER EVERYONE RUNNING DW/SW IT SURE SEEMED TO MATTER. DONT ASSUME ANYTHING, SPELL IT OUT. NOT EVERY COACH KNOWS THAT ITS THE EXPECTED THING...AT LEAST I DIDNT. This happened to me this last year. I asked the varsity OC to get me a playbook so I could run the same stuff and have the termonology all the same. He acted as if us JV coaches were pee-ons ans he couldn't be bothered with our requests. So I had to take time from our JV practice to go over to the varsity practice and try to pick up what they were doing. The head coach asked me what I was doing over at the varsity practice, and I just said "Oh there are a few plays I want to see how you guys run so we can do them the same." Insted of a few plays it was the whole playbook. So I did the best I could and did alright i think. But if I had some direction from the varsity coaches it would have given me more time to teach insted of reinventing the wheel.
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Post by los on Jun 10, 2006 4:43:26 GMT -6
Dang Togster, you expecting a revolution this season lol! Pissed off coaches talking offensive trash in the office and sorry comments from the sidelines and stands. Saturday morning quarterbacks! Asses getting kicked lol! Don't worry buddy we're with you! You da man! But if you'd have just called the play I told you about we'd have won, and johnny would still have the use of both legs and billy would have gotten his scholarship and jimmy wouldn't have gotten his girlfriend pregnant and our team wouldn't suck! Down with the lying scoundrels, power to the proleteriat! My post could be the sorriest thing you ever heard! Let's kick some ass!!!!!
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Post by pegleg on Jun 10, 2006 8:51:59 GMT -6
tog here's another good hutch story.
i worked across the hall from a kinda weird guy. he was about 45, divorced and just kinda squirrelly. put it this way, his 70 year old parents came and help him set up his class room before school started. anyway, he was clueless always asking dumb questions. i started to try and avoid him and finally just said go read the f-ing memo and figure it out. he quit talking to me which i thought was great. then a couple of weeks later, i'm setting up for a buddy who was going to be gone that day and all of the sudden the door slams behind me. i turn around and there is weirdo standing in the doorway. he looks at me and says "i wanna know why your a {censored} {censored}." of course this make all the hairs on my neck stand up, and i asked him what his problem was and you know all the back and forth stuff. then he came at me and i kicked his ass. got 3 days paid vacation for that one.
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Post by seagull73 on Jun 10, 2006 9:09:26 GMT -6
Middle school coach's response to getting a bad end of year evaluation because he wouldn't run the program's systems. "If I knew I was going to be judged on that I would have done it" DID HE KNOW HE WAS SUPPOSSED TO RUN THE VARSITY SYSTEM? DONT ASSUME IT. MY FIRST HEAD COACHING GIG WAS JR HIGH AND NO ONE TOLD ME WHAT TO RUN,...I RAN WISHBONE, POWER I AND PRO I AND FLEX BONE STUFF TOO (ALL POORLY) NOBODY CARED THEN... BUT 2 YEARS LATER WHEN WE WERE ROLLING OVER EVERYONE RUNNING DW/SW IT SURE SEEMED TO MATTER. DONT ASSUME ANYTHING, SPELL IT OUT. NOT EVERY COACH KNOWS THAT ITS THE EXPECTED THING...AT LEAST I DIDNT. He knew he was just wouldn't do it. I was not the HC of that program but at the coaches meeting we had pre-season everything was made very clear. The guy had been around a while at the Middle school & won a lot of games at that level. He didn't see the big picture of a total program.
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Post by coachcalande on Jun 10, 2006 10:25:02 GMT -6
THAT DOESNT SOUND LIKE THERE WAS A PROGRAM. TO ME, ONE PRE SEASON COACHES MEETING ISNT GOING TO LEAD TO ANY OF THE LOWER FEEDER TEAMS RUNNING THE SAME STUFF AS VARSITY. SURE, COULD BE SIMILAR...EVEN SAME BACK AND HOLE NUMBERING...BUT I LEARNED ALOT FROM TWO POOR EXPERIENCES...ALOT ABOUT WHAT NOT TO DO TO BE SUCCESSFUL.
ONE THING I KNOW I WILL DO AS A VARSITY HEAD COACH IS TO ACTUALLY CLINIC MY YOUTH AND MS AND JR HIGH AND FROSH AND JV STAFFS...GIVE THEM VIDEOS OF OUR DRILLS BEING RUN, GIVE THEM POSITION COACHING MANUALS SO THEY KNOW WHAT DRILLS AND TECHNIQUES THEY ARE TO TEACH ,..MUCH MORE TO TEACHING MY SYSTEMS THAN JUST A PLAYBOOK. NO ONE COULD POSSIBLY RUN MY STUFF FROM JUST BEING AT A MEETING AND BEING TOLD "RUN OUR STUFF" FOR EXAMPLE...ID WALK THEM THRU IT ALL, PHILOSOPHY, PLAY CALLING STRATEGY, PERSONNEL PLACEMENT, FOOTWORK , TIMING, TECHNIQUES, DRILLS FOR SUCCESS, EVERY DETAIL WOULD HAVE TO BE COVERED...WAY TOO MUCH LEFT TO INTERPRET FROM A PLAYBOOK...EH, JUST MY EXPERIENCES.
SOUNDS LIKE THE GUY DIDNT RESPECT THAT THE VARSITY COACH OR EVEN THE IDEA THAT THE VARSITY STUFF MIGHT WORK FOR HIM? IS THE VARSITY WINNING? IM GUESSING THAT HE WAS AS YOU SAID, "SUCCESSFUL" SO WHY CHANGE?. ITS EGO ....I HAD THAT ATTITUDE TOO....NOW I KNOW THAT IM A GOOD ENOUGH COACH THAT I CAN EVEN RUN SOMEONE ELSES STUFF AND WIN SOME GAMES WHILE TEACHING A WHOLE LOT MORE THAN JUST FOOTBALL. ONCE EVERY STAFF MEMBER (MEANING FROM YOUTH THRU VARSITY) REALIZES THAT NO PLAYER IS BIGGER THAN THE TEAM AND NO TEAM IS BIGGER THAN THE PROGRAM...WOW, ALOT CAN HAPPEN.
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Post by bulldogoption on Jun 10, 2006 13:32:23 GMT -6
I was a newbie coach. About 1/3 thru the season I noticed the HC not wearing headsets and none of our coaches in the box. I asked him why. He said, "Look around, who is going to tell me what to do." That explained a lot real quickly.
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Post by coachcalande on Jun 10, 2006 13:57:15 GMT -6
I was a newbie coach. About 1/3 thru the season I noticed the HC not wearing headsets and none of our coaches in the box. I asked him why. He said, "Look around, who is going to tell me what to do." That explained a lot real quickly. lol.....been there.
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Post by phantom on Jun 10, 2006 14:46:07 GMT -6
I was a newbie coach. About 1/3 thru the season I noticed the HC not wearing headsets and none of our coaches in the box. I asked him why. He said, "Look around, who is going to tell me what to do." That explained a lot real quickly. Saw something similar. I quit my last job as a DC when the new HC called a meeting at which he passed out our new defensive playbooks. It was obvious that they were from his old school because he didn't even change the team name. I'm no prima donna but the guy never even discussed it with me. Just plopped our new defensive playbook on each of our desks. I joined a new staff and my first impression was confirmed. While scouting my old team I noticed that, although they had coaches in the box, nobody on the sideline was wearing headsets.
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Post by seagull73 on Jun 10, 2006 20:46:52 GMT -6
THAT DOESNT SOUND LIKE THERE WAS A PROGRAM. SOUNDS LIKE THE GUY DIDNT RESPECT THAT THE VARSITY COACH OR EVEN THE IDEA THAT THE VARSITY STUFF MIGHT WORK FOR HIM? IS THE VARSITY WINNING? IM GUESSING THAT HE WAS AS YOU SAID, "SUCCESSFUL" SO WHY CHANGE?. ITS EGO ....I HAD THAT ATTITUDE TOO....NOW I KNOW THAT IM A GOOD ENOUGH COACH THAT I CAN EVEN RUN SOMEONE ELSES STUFF AND WIN SOME GAMES WHILE TEACHING A WHOLE LOT MORE THAN JUST FOOTBALL. Never said there was just one meeting & the Varsity was not winning at the time. It was a new HC coming into the program. You can win a lot of games at the Junior high level by doing things that won't get player ready to win as a varsity player.
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Post by bigdaddyd on Jun 10, 2006 23:49:22 GMT -6
Not quite coach to coach, more like coach to playerWhen a player from the opposing team tells me ( a few months after the season), that one of my linemen told him , " To take it easy, its just a game."
I couldn't believe it. So, I confronted all the starting 'O' Linemen and ask them... sure enough, my sophomore starting guard had said it. Thats what I get for bringing him up to Varsity Sorry for jumping the topic...
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Post by coachcalande on Jun 11, 2006 3:29:49 GMT -6
THAT DOESNT SOUND LIKE THERE WAS A PROGRAM. SOUNDS LIKE THE GUY DIDNT RESPECT THAT THE VARSITY COACH OR EVEN THE IDEA THAT THE VARSITY STUFF MIGHT WORK FOR HIM? IS THE VARSITY WINNING? IM GUESSING THAT HE WAS AS YOU SAID, "SUCCESSFUL" SO WHY CHANGE?. ITS EGO ....I HAD THAT ATTITUDE TOO....NOW I KNOW THAT IM A GOOD ENOUGH COACH THAT I CAN EVEN RUN SOMEONE ELSES STUFF AND WIN SOME GAMES WHILE TEACHING A WHOLE LOT MORE THAN JUST FOOTBALL. Never said there was just one meeting & the Varsity was not winning at the time. It was a new HC coming into the program. You can win a lot of games at the Junior high level by doing things that won't get player ready to win as a varsity player. YEAH AND YOU CAN DO ALOT OF THINGS TO WIN GAMES AT THE VARSITY LEVEL THAT YOU CANT DO AT THE YOUTH LEVELS VERY WELL. NO DOUBT ABOUT IT, JR HIGH BALL IS A DIFFERENT BEAST THAN VARSITY BALL. THE KIDS HAVENT ALL HIT PUBERTY, GOTTEN JOBS, GIRLS, CARS, INTO DRINKING AND DRUGS(WELL, SOME), THEY HAVENT HAD OPPORTUNITY TO HIT THE WEIGHTS ETC ETC...AS I SAID A FEW OTHER TIMES ON THIS BOARD, WHAT THEY DO IN 8TH AND 9TH GRADE REALLY IS NOT INDICATIVE OF WHAT THEY CAN AND WILL DO AS VARSITY PLAYERS. THE VARSITY COACH WHO BLAMES THE JR HIGH/FROSH/YOUTH STAFFS FOR HIS LACK OF SUCCESS IS JUST A SORRY LOSER THOUGH. HES GOT 4 YEARS WITH THE BOYS TO INSTALL HIS OFFENSE, DEFENSE, PROPER TECHNIQUES, BULK EM UP, MAKE EM FASTER, MENTOR THEM AND MAKE FINE YOUNG MEN AND SOLID PLAYERS OUT OF THEM. HES GOT TO PUT IN THE TIME TO MAKE SURE THAT THE LOWERS ARE ALL PART OF HIS STAFF, THAT MEANS TRAINING THEM. CANT LEAVE ANYTHING TO BE ASSUMED. WHEN YOU CONSIDER THAT THERE ARE MANY FINE FOOTBALL TEAMS THAT DONT EVEN HAVE FEEDER PROGRAMS BLAMING THE LOWER LEVELS IS JUST LAME. IF THE VARSITY COACH HIRED THIS GUY AND SAID "HERES MY PLAYBOOK , HERES HOW TO INSTALL IT, HERES THE DRILLS, HERE ARE MY EXPECTATIONS, HERES THE COACHING CONTRACT, HERES THE CLINIC DATE AND TIME AND PLACE, HERES OUR VARSITY CAMP DATES, BE THERE ETC ETC" AND THE GUY DIDNT CONFORM THEN HE WAS ASKING TO BE LET GO...ON THE OTHER HAND, IF THE VARSITY GUY A) DIDNT HAVE A PLAN, DIDNT KNOW WHAT HIS OFFENSE AND DEFENSE WAS GOING TO LOOK LIKE COME AUGUST, DIDNT HAVE HIS DATES SETTLED ON, DIDNT KNOW WHEN EQUIPMENT HANDOUTS WOULD BE YET, DIDNT KNOW WHO HIS VARSITY STAFF WAS OR WHO WOULD END UP AS THE ASSISTANTS ON THE LOWER LEVEL, CHANGED HIS TERMINOLOGY EVERY WEEK, SAID THERE WOULD BE MEETINGS AND THERE WERENT ETC...THEN I CANT BLAME THE LOWER LEVEL COACH. YOU CANNOT FOLLOW IF YOU ARE NOT LED. SEE MY POINT? IF THE VARSITY GUY B) DIDNT TEACH HIS STAFF HIS METHODS...CAN HE EXPECT ANYONE TO KNOW WHAT THEY ARE? WAS HE AVAILABLE? ALWAYS TWO SIDES TO A STORY. SORRY IF THE TONE OF THIS SEEMS HARSH, IM JUST PUMPED ABOUT FOOTBALL. I JUST DO DESPISE COACHES THAT BLAME OTHERS FOR THEIR TEAMS LACK OF SUCCESS (NOT SAYING ITS YOU)...ANYHOW, GOOD DISCUSSION.
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Post by colts on Jun 11, 2006 6:24:01 GMT -6
What pisses me off is when you are talking to somone who "knows" more than you and they talk down to you. That pisses me off.
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Post by slydaddy on Jun 11, 2006 9:10:19 GMT -6
Told the offensive coordinator how I thought he could block one of his precious wing-t plays a little better, he told me "you are just the freshman coach, I got it covered." With just a few choice four-letter words, I conveyed my feelings to him. It's hard to work with someone who thinks he knows it all.
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Post by coachcalande on Jun 11, 2006 9:40:34 GMT -6
WOW, THAT ONE IS A GOOD ONE..."JUST A YOUTH COACH", "JUST A FROSH COACH"..ITS MEANT TO BE A SHOT AT YOU. KIND OF LIKE PLAYING CHESS IN THE PARK...SOME GUYS NEVER PLAY IN TOURNAMENTS BUT WOULD WHUP SOME ARSE IF THEY DID.
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Post by airman on Jun 11, 2006 17:28:10 GMT -6
i hate it when a coach labels a coach as just the freshman coach or just the jv coach or just the middle school coach.
i had that my first year. I caught some varisty kids screwing around and gave them a lecture. the dc talked to me in the office about lecturing my own kids and not the varsity kids. never mind this was in the hall way during school hours.
needless to say, I got my revenge. varsity went 0-9 , my team, 9-0.
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Post by carson101 on Jun 11, 2006 17:29:52 GMT -6
Here is a good one for those HC's that don't think much of their asst's. I was with a program that had very little coaching support much less community,school support. I was the JV HC and Var Ast D Coord, anyhow my last game with the JV we were 8th gr kids playing 9,10 regular JV teams well this last game we were down by 27 - 7 after the half we start pounding the crap out of this team "musta been sumthin in the gatorade or sumthin" anyhow 2:00 left they have the ball they are in a d wing set which was new from what they did the whole game well i told defense to get in a base 50 well something went wrong and all the db's were on the right side away from the play doing what I don't know the HC of the varsity comes over and starts chewing my butt why are those guys over there, I say I don't know we don't practice that, what ever it is he says fix it I say ok shut up so I can, he walks off, the play hasn't even started I'm going ape nuts for the dbs to get in position when the ball gets snapped the nose creates a fumble scores we are down by 10 at this point. My guys come to side I ask why they were all over there where ther were well coach we were thinking if your the coach why did the Var HC tell us that they were gonna line up in a trip formation" I turn and look at the Var HC then tell the kids do you know what trips are and they replied simply yes coach we thought it meant were going home" needless to say that when that game was over we lost by three. After the game I simply told the Var HC never reprimand me in front of my team during a game second don't talk to my players during a game since you don't know what the hell you are talking about. That friday duirng his game i was chatting with the DC during pre game to find out what they were doing stunt wise he said the HC said that we arn't go do anything but a base d toinight I said ok so what do you want to do then he says well lets just tell jokes until he wants to play football then If he ask what we are doing we could just tell him we were just getting ready to tell the defense we were gonna line up in trips and go to McDonalds for a shake cause you shure as hell don't know what your doing. He ran the same play 59x with little success two other variations of the same play 29x's we lost 49 -12. Neeedless to say a coach that knows it all deserves to have his a_ _ kicked. This is really a true story.
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Post by poweriguy on Jun 11, 2006 18:51:05 GMT -6
i hate it when a coach labels a coach as just the freshman coach or just the jv coach or just the middle school coach. i had that my first year. I caught some varisty kids screwing around and gave them a lecture. the dc talked to me in the office about lecturing my own kids and not the varsity kids. never mind this was in the hall way during school hours. needless to say, I got my revenge. varsity went 0-9 , my team, 9-0. Uggghh. Going through that cr*p right now.
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