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Post by coachcalande on Jun 13, 2006 8:39:43 GMT -6
Coach on staff whos kid is in the program b$#ching about the coaching on another level...worried that his kid wont catch enough passes...crud like that. not saying it to the coach but to anyone who will listen. a real cancer.
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Post by knight9299 on Jun 13, 2006 9:21:49 GMT -6
Coach on staff whos kid is in the program b$#ching about the coaching on another level...worried that his kid wont catch enough passes...crud like that. not saying it to the coach but to anyone who will listen. a real cancer. I'll see your assistant coach and raise you an Athletic Director being the pain in the butt. My dad is a volunteer coach at my old high school and the AD (that has been there almost 8 months) has already questioned the varsity OCs play calling from last year. Why? Because he's worried that the poor play calling will be a detriment to his son's college prospects. Of course the son is just a sophomore this year.
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Post by coachcalande on Jun 13, 2006 10:08:26 GMT -6
eyes rolling...
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Post by chiefscoach on Jun 13, 2006 10:12:57 GMT -6
It has been interesting seeing these responses, but I'd like to just throw in my opinion. I'm a young coach but I am the Varsity Co-D-Coordinator and I believe that the most important things as far as football goes when coaching the kids at the middle school or Freshman team level is to teach them to properly tackle and second is to build a winning attitude. I tell our Freshman coach he doesnt have to run what I run, I think he has to teach how to tackle and then win even if that means running a 6-2 defense (not that we've run that but I wouldnt care if we did) I think it is very important to build that winning attitude at a very young age. Doesn't mean its a must, I've seen programs here where their freshman team goes 0-6 and their varsity goes 10-0 every year but in my opinion it is important to develop the winning early. Just my thoughts.
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Post by jjkuenzel on Jun 13, 2006 11:45:13 GMT -6
Had a player question and pop off to a coach. The player thought he knew how to do it better. This coach was a local coach who generously agreed to come over and help us put in the jet/rocket scheme. Oh and this coach was no fool either. He knew what he was talking about as evidenced by the state championship he just won. Needless to say the whole staff was embarassed and wanted to either kick his ass ourself or let someone else do it. The sad thing is the kid is a good athlete who is a state champion wrestler. Too bad he is a jerk.
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Post by phantom on Jun 13, 2006 14:01:33 GMT -6
one coach do to another, or a group of coaches? just something that someone needs to get their ass kicked for? At a clinic a few years ago the great Willie Jefferies, who was to speak the next day, came up to the hotel room where several of us were socializing. He brought his playbook and the transparancies for his presentations and had a few adult beverages with us while talking football. I guess one of the coaches had too many adult beverages because he stole Coach Jefferies's transparancies. Being a wily, crafty veteran, Coach Jefferies got his revenge. He started his clinic talk thusly: "Coaches, I'm sorry that I don't have any visuals but ___ ___ stole the transparancies I was going to show. ___ ___, a high-class individual". This was at the state association clinic so everybody knew who he meant.
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Post by coachcalande on Jun 13, 2006 14:10:09 GMT -6
you guys are gonna love this one..
Im at a clinic and the speakers arent showing up, the schedules a mess, the communication is poor as can be, lots of coaches are angry and disgruntled to say the least...in fact, several of us missed a big name speaker because there was no announcement of his early arrival...we were eating breakfast when his lecture began...anyhow you get the point. after this mess i figured "ok, i dont want to miss anyone else" so i ask the head hazza gazza "coach, would you mind giving us an updated schedule, these are really off" (meaning the ones we got on thursday night, this is sat am) and he pops off in a nasty tone "YOUR SCHEDULES FINE". In addition, during the door prize drawings hed grab a name from the box, read it to himself, then put it back in the box and grab another...I am sure some folks got ticked at that. yeah, that qualified. Ill not pay for another one of those clinics.
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Post by phantom on Jun 13, 2006 14:12:24 GMT -6
Wow. What clinic was that?
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Post by coachnichols on Jun 14, 2006 19:03:58 GMT -6
Half time of a JV game. One player steps on another player's foot accidentially and that pisses another kid off. Well a push and a a**hole follows. All this is going on while the JV coach is talking to the team. I tell them to shut up, and I get a "F*ck you" infront of the whole team. I amazingly kept my cool and told him "to get out of here". That's all I said.
After the game, this young man's mom and dad come up to me pissed off for kicking him out of the game. I explained the situation and that wasn't good enough so I told them they could talk to the head coach if the wanted to and I introduced them.
After their disscussion, the kid barely says sorry, never is punished, and I get a reprimand on losing my temper and am told I shouldn't have "kicked him off the team" without talking to him first.
Looking back, I realize the HC was in his first year of being in charge and handled it poorly, but a 16 year-old should never be allowed to tell his coach to F off!
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Post by sls on Jun 14, 2006 19:33:13 GMT -6
Our Varsity D is doing pushups every time the JV O scores on them. One of the seniors syas to my DC "This is stupid". I jump on the kid and before I know it he is taking off his equipment screaming at me and the other coaches "I am sick of you guys, you think you are so tough, I will show you tough, I am going to kick all of you guys asses" His "friends" pull him off the field. The next day he shows up and comes into the office wanting to know where his equipment is, couldn't believe I threw him off the team.
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Post by sls on Jun 14, 2006 19:33:53 GMT -6
you guys are gonna love this one.. Im at a clinic and the speakers arent showing up, the schedules a mess, the communication is poor as can be, lots of coaches are angry and disgruntled to say the least...in fact, several of us missed a big name speaker because there was no announcement of his early arrival...we were eating breakfast when his lecture began...anyhow you get the point. after this mess i figured "ok, i dont want to miss anyone else" so i ask the head hazza gazza "coach, would you mind giving us an updated schedule, these are really off" (meaning the ones we got on thursday night, this is sat am) and he pops off in a nasty tone "YOUR SCHEDULES FINE". In addition, during the door prize drawings hed grab a name from the box, read it to himself, then put it back in the box and grab another...I am sure some folks got ticked at that. yeah, that qualified. Ill not pay for another one of those clinics. I am alos curious, what clinic was this?
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Post by rathernot on Jun 14, 2006 21:28:19 GMT -6
Don't really want to go into details but I had criminal charges filed against me by an angry parent over a situation the player wanted to forget. I resigned (only from coaching) pending the outcome of the trial. Get no support from the school district but the HC is firmly behind me. Charges are dropped by the court after a trial and a hung jury (the one jurist holdout to aquit had an ax to grind against the school and wouldn't budge). Superintendent decides not to reinstate me after the dismissal. On the last day before the statute of limitations is up I find out they have filed a civil suit against me. After a few months of legal manuevering the insurance company decides it will be cheaper to settle than to pay the lawyer to defend it.
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Post by coachcb on Jun 15, 2006 13:48:36 GMT -6
Its great when the parents get the lawyers involved.... Several years ago, I had a a youth 6th grader with ADD along with a number of other behavioral disorders that required medication . Good kid, but his parents had been allowing him top use his condition as crutch his entire life. They found out it wasn't going to fly on the football field the hard way.
The kid bascially showed up to practice when he felt like it and screwed off while he was there. I sat down with him several times and told him he needed to get to practice and that he needed to start focusing if he wanted to see any playing time. His response- "I have ADD and my dad will take you to court if you don't play me- its against the law because I'm disabled". You can imagine what my response was..
Needless to say, he continued missing practice, so he didin't see a single down of playing time in the first game. His dad showed up, spouting out the same crap his son given me. I told him point blank that his kid wasn't going to play next week either, seeing as he'd made it to half of the practices. I told him that if he was going to get the lawyer involved he'd better do it soon. The guys lawyer saw our attendance policy(you have to make practice to play) and then saw the number of practices the kid had missed and refused to take the case.
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Post by coachcalande on Jun 16, 2006 6:24:06 GMT -6
this happened to me-
Parents complain at a board meeting that a coach told their sons that if they didnt lift weights they couldnt play football (their sons were wrestlers, baseball players etc)...this got back to the AD, the Ad approached the HC, the HC passed the blame TO THE FREAKING JR HIGH COACH!
The HC then told the Jr high coach " call me before you respond when the Ad contacts you"...(knowing full well that Id be infuriated)
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Post by coachcb on Jun 17, 2006 20:22:42 GMT -6
I can't believe I didn't post this one sooner...
Last season, I was coaching freshman football with an individual who had a "limited knowledge" of the game. He was our OC, which made things even worse.
We managed to force a three-and-out, and the other team punted to us. They're punt coverage was excellent and our punt blocking was atrocious. The other team is bearing down on our returner and I'm screaming "fair catch, fair catch". This coach tells me to shut up and then screams at the kid to return it. The kid gets smacked in the mouth just as he catches it, crushed and fumbles the ball- the other team scoops it up and runs it into the endzone.
This coach starts screaming at the officials to call a "halo violation" because our returner has to be "given an opportunity to return the punt." This is NCAA rules mind you, so there is no such rule unless the kid class a fair catch and the officials explain this to the coach. He keeps screaming and yelling at the officials about it until he gets us penalized and someone has to drag his pathetic butt off the field.
After the game, I pull out the NCAA manual, show him the rule and he replies "I don't care what the rule book or anyone else says, the kid has to be given the chance to return the ball and the officials are idiots....."
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Post by davecisar on Jun 18, 2006 8:17:30 GMT -6
Passing the blame to others is the classic response of the underachiever. Even when faced with cold hard facts, they dig in. This person will never be a good coach. I learned long ago from studying the very successful and those that consistently fail that the successful always critically look to themselves when something goes wrong, admit to the mistake, makes changes to make sure the mistake doesnt happen again, then move on. The loser looks everywhere but to himself, never changes and continues to lose. He thinks wins are all about "luck", getting the best players, favorable refereee calls, almost like a lottery LOL.
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Post by davecisar on Jun 18, 2006 8:29:08 GMT -6
Playing a Youth game vs a team that has consitently had some good success in the area. We score the first 5 times we have the ball, up 32-0 at half. We score on a hitch pass, sweep pass, wedge play and an off tackle play and a trap. The other guys didnt get a single first down in the half. We start to let up after the 3rd score, and the 5th score is with the 2nd teamers. The second half is all subs with the exceptin of a handfull of plays in the first drive. We do not blitz, I let 8-10 different kids touch the ball. They finaly get a first down or two. My 3rd team BB fumbles the ball they scoop it up and score, final is 32-6, Generous on my part right? This not so smart person couldt figure out the scrore could have been 64-0. We hand out pop to our opponent in the handshake line, they throw them all out in a trash can and coach tells me " maybe they camn learn to play real football when they are older" Yeah we outblock , out tackle them and are 60 points better than them and we arent playing football because we run a shotgun SW offense LOL. Sometimes it's very tempting to teach someone a lesson, but havent yet. It was so ridiculous, it was almost laughable.
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Post by coachcb on Jun 18, 2006 9:04:14 GMT -6
I've always been the first one to admit mistakes, but I have to also admit- I have layed some of the blame to other coaches in the past. But, its in situations you described above dave, somethings not working, but the coach refuses to make alterations because "the kids just suck".
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Post by coachcalande on Jun 18, 2006 9:41:25 GMT -6
I've always been the first one to admit mistakes, but I have to also admit- I have layed some of the blame to other coaches in the past. But, its in situations you described above dave, somethings not working, but the coach refuses to make alterations because "the kids just suck". best line I ever heard from my last boss "no bad players, only bad coaches".
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Post by coachcb on Jun 18, 2006 10:03:13 GMT -6
Thats the way I feel about the situation coachc. I have seen good coaches take a mediocre group of athletes and turn them into a good squad.
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Post by davecisar on Jun 18, 2006 12:25:30 GMT -6
Agreed, that is the most fun, not going out and getting all the best players, but taking whats given to you and shaping them into a team. I love getting a team no one wants or thinks can play. Even then when you win, the other guys have excuses it's'funny. Few years ago a team in our league said they couldnt compete because they lacked size, they wanted to amend some of the rules. The next year this team is the full of mastadons, their 11-12 team dwarfed my age 13-14 team. they had at least 4-5 kids over 200 pounds, same for their 13-14 kids, they were bigger than anyone in our league had ever seen. They must have recruited every huge kid in town. The 11-12s won I think 0 or 1 game,the QB could have started for us, the older team I think won 2. At the next meeting now the guy says his kids were "soft" and he had no speed. Just the year before he said he had the fastest kids he had had in 20 years, a 185 lb TB that had to lose 15 lbs to make RB weight. They won 1-2 that year too. So which is it? Size, speed, toughness ? Or POOR COACHING?
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Post by coachcb on Jun 18, 2006 12:41:52 GMT -6
Doesn't sound like a problem with size, speed, or toughness
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Post by coachcalande on Jun 18, 2006 14:26:51 GMT -6
Honestly, its rare that a well coached team wins only one or two games...wouldnt you agree?
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Post by coachcb on Jun 18, 2006 16:04:08 GMT -6
I would whole-heartedly agree with that statement coachc.
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Post by davecisar on Jun 18, 2006 17:17:26 GMT -6
I usually have 10-15 teams a year playing in various leagues. So thats 100s of seasons and 1000s of games. Ive only seen it happen twice where one of our teams was well coached but won just 1-2 games. The League did away with the "B" Division at age 13-14 and just put the teams that usually didnt do well into a seperate division. So our "B" kids had to play other teams that had all their best kids on the team, where ours were as they should have been, on the "A" team. In another case we had a "B" team that was very big but still rookies, we volunteered to move them to "A" to even out the "select" division.
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Post by coachcalande on Jun 18, 2006 17:25:35 GMT -6
sure i think when there are severe talent mismatches it happens...but thats probably more common with first year programs or expansion teams or C teams playing up in class etc. And of course there are those rare seasons when everything that can go wrong does go wrong and a team loses like 7 games by a point each or whatever.
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Post by davecisar on Jun 18, 2006 17:36:44 GMT -6
Golly I forgot about this one, in an age 8-10 year old game I heard a grandpa grumbling about one of our teams. He was going on and on about how this offense was old time stuff, stuff Nerbaska used to run in the 90s LOL. "Its not what they run in the NCAAs now" it's not goint to prepare my grandson for college, " Im a student of the game I know my stuff" raggin on our coach. LOL Talked to him asked why when we were begging for coaches he never showed up, "well um I work" ( dont we all LOL) more complaining, Turns out his grandson is the tiniest 8 year old on the team who as a favor is even on the team and allowed to see the field. We were ruining the career of his 8 year old grandson becuase we werent throwing the ball enough LOL. I gave him the telephone number of an opposing coach and dropped them from our mailing list, be someone elses problem.
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Post by groundchuck on Jun 18, 2006 17:37:42 GMT -6
Honestly, its rare that a well coached team wins only one or two games...wouldnt you agree? I agree with that statement but I would ammend it by saying even the best coach cannot make a 5.5 WR (yes you read that right 5.5 in the 40) run a 4.8. In other words you cannot make chicken salad out of chicken...you know what. But I do agree if things are close to competitive a well coached team should win more than 1-2 games.
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Post by davecisar on Jun 18, 2006 17:59:39 GMT -6
I rarely give coaches slack, the ones that lose with regularity, lose because they are not good coaches. If one of my guys that wins every year all of a sudden has a season where they dont do well, it's because they are playing up a class or something like that. If a coach has no speed or talent I might add he should make sure and select a system that makes sense for a minumim talent team. I wouldnt go shotgun spread with a 5.5 40 wideout, if thats all I had I would choose an offense without a wideout.
We have a local HS HC that is in Class A, largest class with over 1700 students. He only has 26 suited up for varsity games vs teams that suit 70-80-90+ kids. His freshman team had 13-15 kids on it vs teams suiting 40-70 kids. HE is a great X and O guy, little talent, but he wins 3-4 games every year incluidn g the #3 team in State last year. No size, no depth, incredible. Only problem is his main problem is getting numbers but he spends ZERO time recruiting kids to play LOL.
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Post by coachcb on Jun 18, 2006 18:09:16 GMT -6
I have been lucky that most of the guys I walk with are good guys and good coaches. They knew the game well enough to teach fundamentals and were great with the kids. There have been coaches that I didn't see eye to eye with, but if we were working together we put our differences aside or at least stayed out of each others way.
However, there has been one instance where I have been stuck under an individual who ran our team into the ground with his ego and stupidity. He was the very epitome of what we have been discussing in the last few posts. He didn't understand the game at all, wouldn't accept any input, and blamed the kids and their "lack of talent" for his ineptitude.
There are a lot of times when I have to step back, forget about the one idiot, and realize that I have worked with and under some really great guys. And, at the very least, the idiot taught me HOW NOT TO COACH. Thats what I love about coaching- everything is a learning experience.
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