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Post by coachsticks on Dec 27, 2013 11:53:09 GMT -6
Criteria:
1. Teaching salary
2. Coaching supplement
3. Overall facilities (stadiums, fields)
4. Community involvement (attendance, booster club, etc.)
5. Quality of life in the state you coach (weather, cost of living, tax, etc.)
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Post by spos21ram on Dec 27, 2013 12:23:23 GMT -6
Hard to fine a balance between all that. Up here in the northeast the teaching salaries are the highest in the country, but as far as football is concerned it's nothing like hs football down south.
The class L state champions from Connecticut is a very rich community. There's a lot of well off Connecticut towns. They have a great facility and have a jumbotron in their football facility, not sure I would call it a stadium though. Top step for teachers in most Connecticut district is $70k. Coaching stipends anywhere from $2500-6000.
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Post by larrymoe on Dec 27, 2013 12:35:43 GMT -6
I think I've brought this up before, but what does the quality of "facilities" matter?
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Post by calhoun44 on Dec 27, 2013 14:41:34 GMT -6
Texas, Florida, Georgia, Alabama....... Great football and some districts will pay a legit salary for a coach i.e. Rush Propst at Colquitt County, Ga makes 95,000 per year according to local sources I'm not sure if he has many in school responsibilities. They also have fanatical community support, and loads of talent. Also cost of living is most areas of these states is very affordable.
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Post by fballcoachg on Dec 27, 2013 15:32:34 GMT -6
If I'm not mistaken Florida has a limit on what coaches can make and they have lost quite a few coaches to surrounding states who don't have the same limitations.
Honestly, I think in most "football" states you can find pockets of everything a FB coach would want and in some of those same states you will find some jobs that don't quite seem to fit. A state I never thought of that someone just told me about was Arkansas, they went on and on about the football culture and the investment in athletics. Just never struck me as a football state but maybe I am biased growing up in Ohio and working in two different southern states (1 very much so a "football" state, the other very much so hit or miss).
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Post by gators1422 on Dec 27, 2013 15:53:46 GMT -6
No limit in Florida, but salaries vary widely from county to county. Some places are serious about it and some aren't. Florida loses most coaches to Georgia where they do pay more overall. Some schools in the panhandle pay 80-90 with 0 teaching responsibilities.
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Post by coachbdud on Dec 27, 2013 16:01:38 GMT -6
Coaching pay isn't great in CA and cost of living is high in most places but I do not think you can beat Living in CA
Literally anything you want
Or any weather you want and you can find somewhere in Ca to live with it
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Post by Coach Huey on Dec 27, 2013 18:10:08 GMT -6
54,000 at a state championship game
schools with 500 students will play a regular season game in front of 2,000+
athletic period for football in the school day
all coaches are on campus, assistants make $40-65 thousand for teaching & coaching.
over 1,400 public schools that play football. another several hundred private schools with football
state professional organization over 25,000 active members
dozens & dozens of coaching clinics available january through june.
play with ncaa rules and very closely mirror ncaa guidelines in year-round approach
could go on, but you probably get the point... it may or may not be "the best" but it will be in every conversation about "the best".
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Post by rsmith627 on Dec 27, 2013 18:46:53 GMT -6
54,000 at a state championship game schools with 500 students will play a regular season game in front of 2,000+ athletic period for football in the school day all coaches are on campus, assistants make $40-65 thousand for teaching & coaching. over 1,400 public schools that play football. another several hundred private schools with football state professional organization over 25,000 active members dozens & dozens of coaching clinics available january through june. play with ncaa rules and very closely mirror ncaa guidelines in year-round approach could go on, but you probably get the point... it may or may not be "the best" but it will be in every conversation about "the best". Texas is the dream, wife won't do it though. Here in Utah, you have some programs that have the perfect culture. Invest heavily in football, great socioeconomic situation, etc. I think our teaching pay scale tops out at around $65,000. I make around $2,000 to coach at the varsity level. Some programs pay more, some pay less. Cost of living is slightly above average but not bad. There is something to do for everybody here. If you like out doors we have awesome hiking, camping, skiing, mountain lakes, etc. If you are a city person, Salt Lake has some great restaurants, shopping, etc. Being from Michigan, I never envisioned myself here, but I absolutely love it, as does the boss of the house. |
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Post by emptybackfield on Dec 27, 2013 19:33:49 GMT -6
Those 5 qualities can very quite a bit within a state. And, it's pretty dang tough to get all of those in one place. If one of you guys find all of those somewhere, let me know.
I'm in the suburban Nashville area and it's a great place to live. Cost of living is not bad, very mild winters, good seasonality, etc. The district I am in pays teachers very well, but the coaching stipends are a complete joke (in my 9th year of coaching and a coordinator and cleared $1600 after taxes because they tax it as a "bonus"). Facilities aren't bad and the attendance/booster club involvement is pretty much up to how you do things/how successful you are.
If I just had football driving the decisions in my life and I was going to stay at the HS level, I'd pack up all my shyt and move to Texas.
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Post by emptybackfield on Dec 27, 2013 20:10:18 GMT -6
54,000 at a state championship game schools with 500 students will play a regular season game in front of 2,000+ athletic period for football in the school day all coaches are on campus, assistants make $40-65 thousand for teaching & coaching. over 1,400 public schools that play football. another several hundred private schools with football state professional organization over 25,000 active members dozens & dozens of coaching clinics available january through june. play with ncaa rules and very closely mirror ncaa guidelines in year-round approach could go on, but you probably get the point... it may or may not be "the best" but it will be in every conversation about "the best". Coach Huey- what do you teach? What subject and how many class periods a day? |
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Post by Coach Huey on Dec 27, 2013 20:42:54 GMT -6
my schedule has been varied in my years. I'm typically a biology teacher and have taught that most years. Class load has ranged from 2 classes a day to 4 classes a day. There have been a couple of years where I wasn't in the classroom (was at a large school). For 2 years at school I've been at for past 6 years I would teach 2 classes in the am then spend the afternoon down at the JH with their p.e. and athletics classes. We have the same number of "off periods" as any other teacher.
currently we are on a 7 period day. here is my schedule:
1st - freshmen athletics
2nd - biology
3rd - anatomy
4th - biology
5th - varsity/JV athletics
lunch
6th - biology
7th - conference
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Post by emptybackfield on Dec 27, 2013 20:46:02 GMT -6
my schedule has been varied in my years. I'm typically a biology teacher and have taught that most years. Class load has ranged from 2 classes a day to 4 classes a day. There have been a couple of years where I wasn't in the classroom (was at a large school). For 2 years at school I've been at for past 6 years I would teach 2 classes in the am then spend the afternoon down at the JH with their p.e. and athletics classes. We have the same number of "off periods" as any other teacher. currently we are on a 7 period day. here is my schedule: 1st - freshmen athletics 2nd - biology 3rd - anatomy 4th - biology 5th - varsity/JV athletics lunch 6th - biology 7th - conference Thanks. I was just curious what a TX HS coach's schedule was. That, and didn't know if you taught full time because of the income/responsibility of the site. |
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Post by Coach Huey on Dec 27, 2013 20:56:11 GMT -6
our head coach doesn't teach. there aren't too many head coaches here that do. like i mentioned, there are several places where even coordinators don't have to teach in the classroom.
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Post by rsmith627 on Dec 27, 2013 22:55:21 GMT -6
our head coach doesn't teach. there aren't too many head coaches here that do. like i mentioned, there are several places where even coordinators don't have to teach in the classroom. The ones who don't teach, are they still in the building full time? Benefited employees? Sent from my HTC One using proboards |
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Post by Coach Huey on Dec 27, 2013 23:29:55 GMT -6
yes. to be a coach at a public school here you must be a full-time employee of the school district. 99% are teaching classes. there are some that teach a reduced load or those few that have administrative duties rather than classroom duties.
for example... at the school where I wasn't in the classroom my duty was to get a report of which students in ISS were in need of assignments for that day and go to those teachers and get work to bring back to the ISS room so students could do work. I also had "lunch duty" as a supervisor while students at lunch on campus. our dc was the academic adviser - he kept track of all athletes grades and notified the particular coaches so they would then schedule tutorial time or whatever for those students in need.
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Post by rsmith627 on Dec 28, 2013 0:04:19 GMT -6
yes. to be a coach at a public school here you must be a full-time employee of the school district. 99% are teaching classes. there are some that teach a reduced load or those few that have administrative duties rather than classroom duties. for example... at the school where I wasn't in the classroom my duty was to get a report of which students in ISS were in need of assignments for that day and go to those teachers and get work to bring back to the ISS room so students could do work. I also had "lunch duty" as a supervisor while students at lunch on campus. our dc was the academic adviser - he kept track of all athletes grades and notified the particular coaches so they would then schedule tutorial time or whatever for those students in need. It was similar when I was in NC. The HC I coached under taught credit recovery for half the day (2 periods). He had lunch duty everyday, as well as bus duty (all coaches shared bus and lot duty; part of a deal for getting us all prep at the end of the day). He also had a football class last period. It wasn't officially his class, but he was there. Other guys we had were ISS teachers. |
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Post by realdawg on Dec 28, 2013 6:00:57 GMT -6
One state that is not mentioned is SC. Now not all of SC, but pockets, especially in the upstate and Columbia are pretty big time. HC salaries near $100,000, assistant supplements 5-7,000. Huge stadiums, jumbotrons, coaches dont teach, most schools have S&C coaches. This is the area where Byrnes HS is located, along with Gaffney, Dorman, Spartanburg, etc... great community support great place to coach (I think)
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Post by fballcoachg on Dec 28, 2013 9:40:07 GMT -6
Was in SC fresh out of college, in a poor rural part of the low country but even there you saw the investment and passion for football. Made more stipend wise there than I have since and I was a first year position coach at a school that to that point never had a winning season. HC was one of the few in the area that wasn't the ad but he had a very BS drivers ed schedule was a retire rehire and only did ed half the day. I saw a lot of salaries get supplemented quite a bit between coaching stipends weight room stipends to almost made up stipends like bus monitor! Had I not found a job in a very good part of My home state period but especially football wise my wife gave me the green light to go back (was just getting restless).
You also have the possibility of athletic periods and do have spring football so those are pluses.
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Post by davishfc on Dec 28, 2013 10:39:43 GMT -6
Hard to fine a balance between all that. Up here in the northeast the teaching salaries are the highest in the country, but as far as football is concerned it's nothing like hs football down south. The class L state champions from Connecticut is a very rich community. There's a lot of well off Connecticut towns. They have a great facility and have a jumbotron in their football facility, not sure I would call it a stadium though. Top step for teachers in most Connecticut district is $70k. Coaching stipends anywhere from $2500-6000. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I747 using pro boards Highest teaching salaries in the country? And the top step in Connecticut is only $70k? No offense, but the top step at the two different rural school districts I've taught at in Michigan were very close to that. Plus, I know there are many school districts that are much higher than that in the more urban areas of the state. |
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Post by davishfc on Dec 28, 2013 10:45:35 GMT -6
Those 5 qualities can very quite a bit within a state. And, it's pretty dang tough to get all of those in one place. If one of you guys find all of those somewhere, let me know. It is tough to find all 5 qualities, isn't it? |
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Post by coachbdud on Dec 28, 2013 11:29:48 GMT -6
Hard to fine a balance between all that. Up here in the northeast the teaching salaries are the highest in the country, but as far as football is concerned it's nothing like hs football down south. The class L state champions from Connecticut is a very rich community. There's a lot of well off Connecticut towns. They have a great facility and have a jumbotron in their football facility, not sure I would call it a stadium though. Top step for teachers in most Connecticut district is $70k. Coaching stipends anywhere from $2500-6000. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I747 using proboards Top step in our district is 77k Can actually get up to 82k with longevity pay bein in district for a really long time I know our district isn't even close to highest paying around NorCal |
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Post by rsmith627 on Dec 28, 2013 12:02:34 GMT -6
Hard to fine a balance between all that. Up here in the northeast the teaching salaries are the highest in the country, but as far as football is concerned it's nothing like hs football down south. The class L state champions from Connecticut is a very rich community. There's a lot of well off Connecticut towns. They have a great facility and have a jumbotron in their football facility, not sure I would call it a stadium though. Top step for teachers in most Connecticut district is $70k. Coaching stipends anywhere from $2500-6000. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I747 using pro boards Highest teaching salaries in the country? And the top step in Connecticut is only $70k? No offense, but the top step at the two different rural school districts I've taught at in Michigan were very close to that. Plus, I know there are many school districts that are much higher than that in the more urban areas of the state. The guy I played for and first started coaching for in Michigan was making close to 100k. He was topped out on the salary schedule with master's pay, HFC, coached varsity basketball and baseball. You are right, $70k isn't even close. |
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Post by k on Dec 28, 2013 12:05:08 GMT -6
Hard to fine a balance between all that. Up here in the northeast the teaching salaries are the highest in the country, but as far as football is concerned it's nothing like hs football down south. The class L state champions from Connecticut is a very rich community. There's a lot of well off Connecticut towns. They have a great facility and have a jumbotron in their football facility, not sure I would call it a stadium though. Top step for teachers in most Connecticut district is $70k. Coaching stipends anywhere from $2500-6000. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I747 using pro boards Highest teaching salaries in the country? And the top step in Connecticut is only $70k? No offense, but the top step at the two different rural school districts I've taught at in Michigan were very close to that. Plus, I know there are many school districts that are much higher than that in the more urban areas of the state. Some districts top out at ~$120,000 before stipends and every district I've ever seen tops out at over $80k. But the cost of living isn't cheap. A house that costs $150k in Texas will cost you five times that here. Or so HGTV has taught me. |
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Post by davishfc on Dec 28, 2013 12:13:06 GMT -6
Highest teaching salaries in the country? And the top step in Connecticut is only $70k? No offense, but the top step at the two different rural school districts I've taught at in Michigan were very close to that. Plus, I know there are many school districts that are much higher than that in the more urban areas of the state. Some districts top out at ~$120,000 before stipends and every district I've ever seen tops out at over $80k. But the cost of living isn't cheap. A house that costs $150k in Texas will cost you five times that here. Or so HGTV has taught me. Where is it that you're talking about? |
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Post by davishfc on Dec 28, 2013 12:19:21 GMT -6
Highest teaching salaries in the country? And the top step in Connecticut is only $70k? No offense, but the top step at the two different rural school districts I've taught at in Michigan were very close to that. Plus, I know there are many school districts that are much higher than that in the more urban areas of the state. The guy I played for and first started coaching for in Michigan was making close to 100k. He was topped out on the salary schedule with master's pay, HFC, coached varsity basketball and baseball. You are right, $70k isn't even close. Right. I think something worth mentioning is that I don't know of a single head coach is getting compensated in that way just to be a coach. If they are making that type of money from the school district, it's because they are a teacher or administrator within the district. It's crazy to think that there are head coaches in the south who are not a teacher or administrator and still collected that type of cash. Hard to think that the scrutiny a head coach could endure throughout the country could be taken at the same level by a coach collecting a stipend and a coach collecting 6 figures for doing it. Doesn't seem right. At a certain point, the crowd might have some legitimate complaints if being a high school head coach is your actual job and it's not performed well. Shouldn't necessarily be the same for someone who is also a teacher, administrator, or works a day job before coming to practice.
I think about the type of coach I could be if I had the school day back to work on football. That's insane to even think about what could happen with that additional time. Just some thoughts. |
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Post by spos21ram on Dec 28, 2013 13:07:15 GMT -6
Hard to fine a balance between all that. Up here in the northeast the teaching salaries are the highest in the country, but as far as football is concerned it's nothing like hs football down south. The class L state champions from Connecticut is a very rich community. There's a lot of well off Connecticut towns. They have a great facility and have a jumbotron in their football facility, not sure I would call it a stadium though. Top step for teachers in most Connecticut district is $70k. Coaching stipends anywhere from $2500-6000. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I747 using proboards Top step in our district is 77k Can actually get up to 82k with longevity pay bein in district for a really long time I know our district isn't even close to highest paying around NorCal It was 70K about 10 years ago when my mother was teaching. It's over 80K now in most districts. I was a little out of date. Top 5 states for high school are: 1. Illinois 2. New York 3. Connecticut 4. California 5. New Jersey |
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Post by fballcoachg on Dec 28, 2013 13:56:45 GMT -6
But what's the cost of living in those places you listed as top 5? Not to start an economics debate but I wonder how comparable those salaries are to other states when you tie in col and what states would be highest "paying" with that in mind.
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Post by k on Dec 28, 2013 14:09:59 GMT -6
Some districts top out at ~$120,000 before stipends and every district I've ever seen tops out at over $80k. But the cost of living isn't cheap. A house that costs $150k in Texas will cost you five times that here. Or so HGTV has taught me. Where is it that you're talking about? Connecticut, sorry it was mentioned in what I quoted. |
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Post by 42falcon on Dec 28, 2013 14:43:04 GMT -6
My comment isn't really a football one ... But how much you get paid is all well & good it's the other stuff ie: house price, cars, food costs that can take the glamorous 100k salary and make it peanuts VS the 60k salary in an area where homes are 150k look like Donald Trump.
The next question when we throw around 100k salaries for coaches is how many coaches here either are paid that to coach or work for a HC who is paid that? I hear lots of guys win the lotto every year but I've never met anyone who won it..
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