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Post by k on Dec 28, 2013 16:15:08 GMT -6
My comment isn't really a football one ... But how much you get paid is all well & good it's the other stuff ie: house price, cars, food costs that can take the glamorous 100k salary and make it peanuts VS the 60k salary in an area where homes are 150k look like Donald Trump. The next question when we throw around 100k salaries for coaches is how many coaches here either are paid that to coach or work for a HC who is paid that? I hear lots of guys win the lotto every year but I've never met anyone who won it.. Gotta factor in other things like labor protections, public support of the educational system, etc.
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Post by coachd5085 on Dec 29, 2013 10:00:43 GMT -6
Gotta factor in other things like labor protections, public support of the educational system, etc. I think this sort of veers off in a different (but important) direction. What exactly does one mean when they say the "best" state to coach high school football. Some of things described in this thread seem like great qualities... but there may be downsides.
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Post by irishdog on Dec 29, 2013 11:17:24 GMT -6
Hands down, without a doubt, coming from a guy who has taught, coached, and been an administrator on the west coast, east coast, upper midwest, midwest, and south…TEXAS is HS football heaven.
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Post by surgeongeneral on Dec 29, 2013 11:33:48 GMT -6
PA is tough to beat!!! $98K teaching salary $12K football stipend (varsity head coach) Very good football
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Post by coachvann on Dec 29, 2013 12:49:52 GMT -6
I have coached in Texas, Cali and now Florida...I guess I like the football states! But I do agree in many things said here is that there are pockets in florida and Cali. But as far as overall best state with the five criteria is definately Texas.
At the 8A championship game here in Orlandowe were bragging about 9000. That's the crowd you get at a big district game in Texas at the big high schools. Heck the 3A game in Texas had 30,000!
The community involvement can be a double edge sword though. If community is not happy with what ypu are doing you will be making phone calls to your buddies asking for another job. But that causes you to stay on top of your game.
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Post by coachbw on Dec 29, 2013 13:35:20 GMT -6
I guess I have a little bit different perspective than many of the other posts here. I don't have a strong desire to coach in a "pseudo-college" setting. If I wanted to do that, I would have stayed in college coaching. When I made the move from college ball to high school, it was because I wanted a better life balance. While football is definitely prioritized higher in other parts of the country, I love the value placed on teaching here in Minnesota. I feel like coaching is really a supplement to what I do here and that it fits naturally within several other core pieces of my life. I wasn't able to find this balance when I was coaching at the college level, and from the stories I have heard, I think I would quickly burn out in a Texas, Alabama, etc. setting. If I didn't get burned out, I think I would become bored with football being such a huge part of what I did with my time at work. I actually really enjoyed the time I spent coaching at a Wisconsin High School as well. They have some unique regulations over there where I think you can only have 4 or 5 days of football specific activities over the summer. Although it is minimal, nobody that you play is doing more than that to gain an advantage on you. Like I said, I can understand the appeal of some of the football states and a younger me would have loved it, but from a family perspective now, I really like this part of the country.
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Post by wingtol on Dec 29, 2013 16:16:38 GMT -6
PA is tough to beat!!! $98K teaching salary $12K football stipend (varsity head coach) Very good football Where the hell is that? ? And are they hiring??? I make about half that as a teacher in PA and get 2k to coach.
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Post by coachdawhip on Dec 29, 2013 18:03:13 GMT -6
There are some coaches is GA that make close to 100K and are teachers but haven't seen the inside of a classroom in years, most that make over 100K are the athletic director as well
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Post by emptybackfield on Dec 29, 2013 20:02:38 GMT -6
PA is tough to beat!!! $98K teaching salary $12K football stipend (varsity head coach) Very good football Where the hell is that? ? And are they hiring??? I make about half that as a teacher in PA and get 2k to coach. Penn St.
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Post by nhsehs on Dec 29, 2013 21:51:04 GMT -6
No limit in Florida, but salaries vary widely from county to county. Some places are serious about it and some aren't. Florida loses most coaches to Georgia where they do pay more overall. Some schools in the panhandle pay 80-90 with 0 teaching responsibilities. Agree with this here. Okaloosa County in the panhandle pays the best in Florida. Most HC's make high 80's-mid 90's. They are AD/HFC and do not teach as they are considered administrators. Athletic periods for freshmen, JV, and Varsity; all separate. In the panhandle, there is usually good community support as there are quite a few one horse towns. Generally speaking though, Florida is losing a bunch of coaches to Georgia. Like every state, Florida teacher pay varies from county to county, but on average it is not all that great. The cost of living is high in places along the coast, but the interior is pretty affordable. There are a lot of good programs in Florida, but it probably doesn't have the overall depth in terms of quality programs that states such as Georgia, South Carolina, and Texas have.
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Post by coachvann on Dec 29, 2013 22:27:24 GMT -6
No limit in Florida, but salaries vary widely from county to county. Some places are serious about it and some aren't. Florida loses most coaches to Georgia where they do pay more overall. Some schools in the panhandle pay 80-90 with 0 teaching responsibilities. Agree with this here. Okaloosa County in the panhandle pays the best in Florida. Most HC's make high 80's-mid 90's. They are AD/HFC and do not teach as they are considered administrators. Athletic periods for freshmen, JV, and Varsity; all separate. In the panhandle, there is usually good community support as there are quite a few one horse towns. Generally speaking though, Florida is losing a bunch of coaches to Georgia. Like every state, Florida teacher pay varies from county to county, but on average it is not all that great. The cost of living is high in places along the coast, but the interior is pretty affordable. There are a lot of good programs in Florida, but it probably doesn't have the overall depth in terms of quality programs that states such as Georgia, South Carolina, and Texas have.
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Post by coachvann on Dec 29, 2013 22:28:50 GMT -6
As for athletes...miami and south florida dominates!!!
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Post by irishdog on Dec 30, 2013 9:01:15 GMT -6
I guess I have a little bit different perspective than many of the other posts here. I don't have a strong desire to coach in a "pseudo-college" setting. If I wanted to do that, I would have stayed in college coaching. When I made the move from college ball to high school, it was because I wanted a better life balance. While football is definitely prioritized higher in other parts of the country, I love the value placed on teaching here in Minnesota. I feel like coaching is really a supplement to what I do here and that it fits naturally within several other core pieces of my life. I wasn't able to find this balance when I was coaching at the college level, and from the stories I have heard, I think I would quickly burn out in a Texas, Alabama, etc. setting. If I didn't get burned out, I think I would become bored with football being such a huge part of what I did with my time at work. I actually really enjoyed the time I spent coaching at a Wisconsin High School as well. They have some unique regulations over there where I think you can only have 4 or 5 days of football specific activities over the summer. Although it is minimal, nobody that you play is doing more than that to gain an advantage on you. Like I said, I can understand the appeal of some of the football states and a younger me would have loved it, but from a family perspective now, I really like this part of the country. Great point. And I agree with it 100%. I spent 7 (out of 40) of the most wonderful years of my coaching/teaching life in Minnesota.
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Post by buck42 on Dec 30, 2013 14:37:09 GMT -6
Criteria: 1. Teaching salary 2. Coaching supplement 3. Overall facilities (stadiums, fields) 4. Community involvement (attendance, booster club, etc.) 5. Quality of life in the state you coach (weather, cost of living, tax, etc.) Sorry but IMO the biggest thing is administration support...without it you can not be good for very long...
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Post by wingtol on Dec 30, 2013 20:47:15 GMT -6
When other states start building 60+ million dollar HS football stadiums then they can try and knock Texas off the top of the mountain.
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Post by coachd5085 on Dec 30, 2013 21:04:10 GMT -6
When other states start building 60+ million dollar HS football stadiums then they can try and knock Texas off the top of the mountain. But coach, as someone mentioned above, that doesn't necessarily make it the best place to coach HS football. While some might want that, not everyone is looking to coach in the pseudo college atmosphere (as it was put earlier). There is a difference between "best place to coach" and "most intense places to coach"
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Post by wingtol on Dec 30, 2013 22:12:27 GMT -6
My point was how important HS football is down there. Not all schools are in 60 million dollar stadiums, not every school down there has 3000 plus kids to choose from, not all their coaches are paid 100+, BUT the mind set of the entire state makes it different.
I stumbled on the Texas state title games on DISH one night and was watching. The announcer in the studio was talking about how they got 11,000 people at a six man state championship game and that was more than the attendance for the FLA 6A or whatever their highest class is. He was pretty much thumbing his nose at all the other "football states". And I thought it was great! LOL
There is no answer for where the best place to coach is because everyone is different. I love where I live and coach. Sure others would hate it since we are currently the snowiest city in the USA but I make a good living teaching and coaching here. Every ones answer will be different.
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Post by surgeongeneral on Dec 31, 2013 12:27:18 GMT -6
PA is tough to beat!!! $98K teaching salary $12K football stipend (varsity head coach) Very good football Where the hell is that? ? And are they hiring??? I make about half that as a teacher in PA and get 2k to coach. Western PA. Most high schools here teachers top of scale is between 70-100K...with a few over 100k...for teaching whatever...PE to English...doesn't matter. I'm at bigger high school...17 yrs. teaching...top of the scale.
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Post by wingtol on Dec 31, 2013 13:11:48 GMT -6
Where the hell is that? ? And are they hiring??? I make about half that as a teacher in PA and get 2k to coach. Western PA. Most high schools here teachers top of scale is between 70-100K...with a few over 100k...for teaching whatever...PE to English...doesn't matter. I'm at bigger high school...17 yrs. teaching...top of the scale. I live in Western PA and that aint the case here. You must be in the rich areas of the WPIAL.
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Post by aznando on Dec 31, 2013 13:25:53 GMT -6
yes. to be a coach at a public school here you must be a full-time employee of the school district. 99% are teaching classes. there are some that teach a reduced load or those few that have administrative duties rather than classroom duties. for example... at the school where I wasn't in the classroom my duty was to get a report of which students in ISS were in need of assignments for that day and go to those teachers and get work to bring back to the ISS room so students could do work. I also had "lunch duty" as a supervisor while students at lunch on campus. our dc was the academic adviser - he kept track of all athletes grades and notified the particular coaches so they would then schedule tutorial time or whatever for those students in need. Coach, Is there anyway around the full-time employee of the school district thing? I'm considering going back to school to get my Teaching Cert. in Texas. If you are student teaching can you coach or is there anyway you can volunteer doing anything within the program while you are going through a teaching certification program? Aznando
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Post by Coach Huey on Dec 31, 2013 13:54:15 GMT -6
yes. to be a coach at a public school here you must be a full-time employee of the school district. 99% are teaching classes. there are some that teach a reduced load or those few that have administrative duties rather than classroom duties. for example... at the school where I wasn't in the classroom my duty was to get a report of which students in ISS were in need of assignments for that day and go to those teachers and get work to bring back to the ISS room so students could do work. I also had "lunch duty" as a supervisor while students at lunch on campus. our dc was the academic adviser - he kept track of all athletes grades and notified the particular coaches so they would then schedule tutorial time or whatever for those students in need. Coach, Is there anyway around the full-time employee of the school district thing? I'm considering going back to school to get my Teaching Cert. in Texas. If you are student teaching can you coach or is there anyway you can volunteer doing anything within the program while you are going through a teaching certification program? Aznando If it is, it's rare. State Board of Education or Texas Education Agency makes those calls. Go through them or a regional educational learning center. "Student teaching" is a class you take. It goes through the university. It is for a semester - typically the last. Student teaching doesn't mean you teach/coach while you are taking college classes.
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Post by Coach V on Dec 31, 2013 17:18:06 GMT -6
Great thread here. Enjoy reading all these posts.
Im from Northern California, just moved down to So Cal, got a varsity position coaching for a school in the San Diego Section. California has great weather, right now its 73 degrees... Football is great here, especially in So Cal, so much talent... BUT I am thinking of moving to Texas once I get my degree & teaching credential. I spent some time there when I was in the military & have been there a few different times over the years for more training. The main reason why I want to move there is how much cheaper it is to live! The cost of living in So Cal is very expensive, plus I have heard, and now read about how BIG HS ball in Texas is.
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Post by rpetrie on Dec 31, 2013 20:57:30 GMT -6
District I work in (Long Island, NY)...small community of 6.5sq. miles/950 kids in HS. - Town Population = 12K - Median Home value = 400K in 2011
Teacher Salaries: (top of scale...MUST GET MASTERS DEGREE within 5 years)...at 25yrs of service you hit top MA = 111K MA+15 = 116K MA+30 = 120K MA+45 = 124K MA+60 = 129K PhD = 133K
FOOTBALL Coaching Salaries HC Football Coach per 2016 contract = 7.5K ASST Football Coaches (depending upon level) = 4K - 5.2K
Other coaching salaries: depending on position & level...these are different seasons than football WRESTLING, BASKETBALL, BASEBALL, LACROSSE = 4K - 6.9K SPRING TRACK = 3-5K WINTER TRACK = 3-4K TENNIS = 3-5K
- Our facilities are old but ok, but we are probably getting new turf & lights within 2 years - Weight room is not sufficient IMO...hopefully that will change soon as well. - Housing is high/taxes are high...but food is cheap, other utilities are equitable. - Support is good in general but we compete big time with LAX..overall football is not as high a priority as other areas/states I've been in..We average about 600-700 for home games. When I started we were lucky to get 200. For last playoff game we had about 2500. - I do my own fundraising independently of Booster Club because they aren't sport-specific. They help some, but I run/pay for our own banquet through fundraising. - It is a very nice place to live (North Shore of Long Island, NY), with great weather for 9 out of 12 months. Lots to do (beaches, NYC, wineries, boating, fishing, etc.).
It is certainly not the MECCA of football, but I enjoy it and I can't say I would leave strictly for a coaching position at a premiere state. Retirement is also 60% of FAS + health benefits in which I pay only 10%. That is a consideration not mentioned in the original list.
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Post by 42falcon on Jan 5, 2014 18:36:07 GMT -6
Not in the states here but in Canada (Alberta) and here is our state of affairs:
-Teaching salary tops out at $90K after 11 years with 6 years of education (Masters Degree) -If you are an admin then it jumps up based on the # of staff at the school
Here is the fun part... coaching stipend / salary for HC or any coach for that matter is a whopping $0,000,000.00
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Post by freezeoption on Jan 5, 2014 19:48:12 GMT -6
I think I need to talk my wife into moving after hearing these salaries. I don't think she would right now. I've been a head coach for many different sports, but have never seen that kind of money. I taught and coached in Idaho for four years. Loved the weather. Not known for high school football, but I liked it. Pay was decent. That was back in 1991-1994. I made about 26,000 plus 1800 for coaching each sport. I moved back to Missouri, where my wife is from, and been here ever since. Missouri schools pay according to property taxes. So NW Missouri, the pay is low, a lot of small rural schools. SW Missouri pays a lot better. I don't know about the rest of the state. I do know that cities like KC, St Louis, Springfield, etc. pay better. Stipends to coach vary again. I don't get paid very much, I lost money to come up here, but we are close to my wife's family and closer to my family in Iowa. Cost of living is not bad. I have learned a big lesson after these years which a coaching friend told me that I wish I would have followed. Don't take a job with more responsibility for less pay than what you are currently making. I wish I would have taken that advice a couple of times.
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Post by Chris Clement on Jan 5, 2014 21:23:37 GMT -6
In Quebec there are big schools with charters and small schools without.
Big school: two full-time guys paid as teachers. Decent money, not huge bucks, depending on qualifications. Assistants are mostly community people, stipends up to $1000/yr, maybe a bit more. Very long seasons, two full seasons a year, but you'll have money up the butt for the program. Objectively it has everything to be a great place.
Small school: the big school in your area will steal all the best athletes and the money. You will have no money for your program or for your assistants, who will probably be any warm bodies you can scrounge up. Then you have to play the school that stole your kids. No stipend, teachers make decent money. Awful place if football is serious business for you.
Ontario HS: no stipends, no money, often no film and no assistants. No drama, pretty much pure football on a shoestring.
Ontario Club: better talent (way better talent) but quickly gets dramatic. Less control over teams because kids have all day free in the summer and you only practice 3x/wk. you might get an honorarium but you're sure not in it for the money.
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Post by scotdaking on Jan 6, 2014 17:04:30 GMT -6
Six figure salaries for football coaches is pretty common in Texas. Low cost of living. Performing Arts and Sciences not lost in the shuffle. Food is out of this world. Lots of govt aid for struggling families. HS stadiums rival many college venues. I believe the cost of the stadium at Allen HS was $60 million. Local HS has an indoor 60 yard turf field. Stadium seats 30,000. State of the art weight room with huge bay window and view of the football field. Most all fields are turf including middle schools. Huge baseball and soccer fields. HS coaches have nice offices. Freshman, JV and Varsity football teams have separate locker rooms and auditoriums for game film review. HC does not teach and has his own budget. Average year round temp is 77 degrees. Support from NFL and College players and coaches who actually attend clinics they sponsor (forget your representative). HS receives approximately, 1000 visits from college scouts per year. Youth programs play both a spring and fall season (4 months each). HS championships played at NFL stadiums (Reliant or Jerry's world). Glazier, Nike, QB Next have multiple annual clinics in Dallas. Officiating crew is big on seminars, on-field clinics, classrooms and testing. NFL sending ex-players to the officiating association here as a first step to get more ex-players on NFL officiating crews. Alpha Moms heavily involved in Booster clubs and youth programs. General population football IQ is very high. Not much more to be done. I saw a bumper sticker that read "I wasn't born in Texas but I got here as fast as I could."
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Post by gibbs72 on Jan 6, 2014 17:09:35 GMT -6
If u like big time football sounds like a place to be. If u just want a nice teaching job and coaching up so kids then its not such a great place to be. Gotta set ur goals and priorities and pick a state that most closely matched them
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Post by coachwoodall on Jan 6, 2014 22:43:35 GMT -6
I've got a FOIA article on the salaries in SC. There are about a dozen that are getting 6 figures, some teaching nothing but the football class, some are tied to the AD position. Those mostly are your big time schools.
Most HCs are getting salary plus 5-10,000 plus maybe a lighter load in the classroom. ACs are getting 3500-7000 while teaching full time. VERY few OC/DCs get more than an extra planning or a little more cabbage.
SC has some great programs, and some of the HCs get some great perks. There some schools with full time S&S coaches. There are some districts that realize that athletics can be parlayed into a bigger school presence and invest in facilities. Most coaches are still making less than most by the time you add both teaching pay and supplements. Cost of living is good and the overall culture is great. Don't get me wrong, I don't think any school even in TX could make it worth my move. Overall considering the cost of living I've got made.
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Post by kmiller716 on Jan 6, 2014 23:21:47 GMT -6
I've got a FOIA article on the salaries in SC. There are about a dozen that are getting 6 figures, some teaching nothing but the football class, some are tied to the AD position. Those mostly are your big time schools. Most HCs are getting salary plus 5-10,000 plus maybe a lighter load in the classroom. ACs are getting 3500-7000 while teaching full time. VERY few OC/DCs get more than an extra planning or a little more cabbage. SC has some great programs, and some of the HCs get some great perks. There some schools with full time S&S coaches. There are some districts that realize that athletics can be parlayed into a bigger school presence and invest in facilities. Most coaches are still making less than most by the time you add both teaching pay and supplements. Cost of living is good and the overall culture is great. Don't get me wrong, I don't think any school even in TX could make it worth my move. Overall considering the cost of living I've got made. I know there are a large number of NC coaches around the Charlotte area jumping or planning on jumping the border to SC due to terrible pay and lack of administrative support in the investment of the programs and lack of backbones to appease parents at all costs, leaving coaches hanging out to dry. Sent from my VS980 4G using proboards
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