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Post by k on Jan 12, 2014 11:52:48 GMT -6
This is certainly off topic but we've been off topic for a bit...
I have been leaning towards traditional PE being completely eliminated in schools. That PE should be an academic part of the Health classroom. This is what you need to do to be physically fit and healthy. Then force everyone to play sports to actually GET that physical activity.
There is an inner city magnet school near me that has done this. They don't have PE classes, students are required to play a sport each season and sports are scheduled like classes. The school day ends at 5 pm and the buses pick you up then, after sports period, to bring you home.
I'd go one step further and say that students shouldn't take Band, Art, Music, etc as classes in school either. They should be required to be in one "Art Club" and finish the year in that. Those club positions should be stipend positions just like coaching.
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 12, 2014 11:56:16 GMT -6
My favorite state to coach in is one of ignorance.
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Post by fballcoachg on Jan 12, 2014 12:15:29 GMT -6
k, no way that would fly.
However, 2 things I took from what you said. Maybe that last period you were talking about that was a sport period could be a sport OR health/PE where the kids are doing some sort of physical activity. That way you accomplish your goal but also have kids in sports.
Secondly, I have never understood and never will understand how band is a class, or choir for that matter. Unless you are willing to give the other extracurricular's a class period.
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Post by k on Jan 12, 2014 12:48:52 GMT -6
k, no way that would fly. However, 2 things I took from what you said. Maybe that last period you were talking about that was a sport period could be a sport OR health/PE where the kids are doing some sort of physical activity. That way you accomplish your goal but also have kids in sports. Secondly, I have never understood and never will understand how band is a class, or choir for that matter. Unless you are willing to give the other extracurricular's a class period. No. The last period is a sports period at that magnet school already. There are no PE classes and all students are required to play sports already. If you select that as a school you want to attend during the lottery you accept this system. It really is only an extension of how sports work in many schools in the state. Many schools already give PE credits for playing sports. The school I coach at caps it at 3.0 credits (you need 4.0 credits to graduate per school rules). This has gone on for decades here so this isn't a new thing. I don't know how the rest of the country works. As to Band/Choir being a class I totally understand why it is a class. I mean I want kids to do something artistic too. Musical or Visual... All that is great in my eyes. But when you factor in the budgetary concerns it seems that those roles could be stipend positions given to teachers whose main focus is a core subject area. Hell your "A" in art or gym doesn't matter for your GPA anyway here because it isn't factored in. Seems like we're already half there... If we refocused on Math/Science/English/Social Studies/Language we could reduce class sizes dramatically without greatly increasing payrolls and thus taxes. Your English teacher also runs Pottery; your Math teacher runs the Computer Club AND the Business Club; your Science teacher coaches Tennis AND runs the Science Olympiad; your Social Studies teacher runs Student Government AND coaches Golf. Teachers end up making more individually but have more hours to put in but as a whole the district reduces payroll allowing for the hiring of more core teachers. Make it contractual, hire with the system in mind, and provide the professional development needed to pull it off.
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Post by agjarrell on Jan 12, 2014 22:47:12 GMT -6
It is nice as a first year teacher to make 56k as an assistant coach and teacher with only 4 classes out of the 7 to teach, with my conference period and 2 athletic periods in Texas. Coach, if your HC is dismissed, or leaves to take another job and doesn't take you with him do you expect to still teach/coach there or is it more common that you will be dismissed as well? Honestly, as long as you take care of the classroom, you will still have a job. Most of the situations I've seen have been you can teach at the HS but not coach and take about a 10k pay cut or you may have the reassignment to a middle school option with about a 4-5k pay cut. In about half the cases, and in most cases where you are good at what you do, you will be retained in some role, whether in another position other than what you coach before if someone else is brought in to coach that position; or as a freshman coach where the stipends are the same.
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Post by Coach Huey on Jan 13, 2014 5:27:15 GMT -6
Coach, if your HC is dismissed, or leaves to take another job and doesn't take you with him do you expect to still teach/coach there or is it more common that you will be dismissed as well? Honestly, as long as you take care of the classroom, you will still have a job. Most of the situations I've seen have been you can teach at the HS but not coach and take about a 10k pay cut or you may have the reassignment to a middle school option with about a 4-5k pay cut. In about half the cases, and in most cases where you are good at what you do, you will be retained in some role, whether in another position other than what you coach before if someone else is brought in to coach that position; or as a freshman coach where the stipends are the same. Depends on: When the new hire happens What your current role is How the principal views the HC role in staffing Your relationship with the admin If the new guy is brought in before Spring Break, you have less chance of being retained. The school has plenty of time to replace you. If you are a coordinator you can bet with almost 100% certainty that you will be let go - you have held a position of authority so the new guy may few this as detrimental to him establishing himself as a leader. But, realistically, he will want to do things a different way so may very likely bring in people that have already worked with him to be his coordinators. You will be reassigned at best. If the principal feels one coach is pretty much as good a teacher as the next coach, then the principal is much more lenient in allowing the HC to simply tell the assistants "you're not needed anymore" and you're contract will not be renewed. However, if you are a seen as a top-notch teacher or have a great relationship with the admin, community, or boosters, you may be retained and, at the very worst, reassigned in your coaching duties. Now, if the new HC doesn't get to straight out fire you, he could very well make things very difficult for you in efforts to get people to resign. 6 am coaches meetings, reassignment or addition of coaching duties, other duties such as janitorial duties within the field house, painting the field house, inventory, etc. Basically make it be known that if you stay, you will not like it. Most people get the hint and move on. When this happened on a staff I was on I knew I was gone. I was a coordinator and was "in charge" during the time our HC was let go until the new HC began work. I knew I wasn't going to be the coordinator. All I was hoping for was to be a position coach. Most coaches were told they weren't going to be retained as varsity coaches. Well, we didn't want to take that hit on our resumes so we all quickly 'resigned'. Each situation is different... it isn't quite like the college situation where you can almost assure that you're let go, but it is much more likely than most other high school settings, I would assume.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 13, 2014 12:18:26 GMT -6
Coach Huey So does this mean that you have to find a new school to TEACH at too? Meaning you aren't just losing your stipend but your livelyhood?
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Post by Coach Huey on Jan 13, 2014 13:07:42 GMT -6
Coach Huey So does this mean that you have to find a new school to TEACH at too? Meaning you aren't just losing your stipend but your livelyhood? There could be 3 things here .... 1) they do not renew my contract which means i will no longer have a teaching job either. 2) they give me a new contract only as a teacher. I would have no coaching duties and lose that stipend. 3) they renew my current contract as a teacher/coach but give me a new teaching assignment and/or a new coaching assignment (i.e. varsity OC to JH coach or freshmen coach) (teaching 4 classes to teaching 6 classes) most understand that if you aren't wanted as a coach, then you're best bet is to move on regardless of what happens because your situation probably won't be all that fun.
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Post by fantom on Jan 13, 2014 13:31:42 GMT -6
Coach Huey So does this mean that you have to find a new school to TEACH at too? Meaning you aren't just losing your stipend but your livelyhood? There could be 3 things here .... 1) they do not renew my contract which means i will no longer have a teaching job either. 2) they give me a new contract only as a teacher. I would have no coaching duties and lose that stipend. 3) they renew my current contract as a teacher/coach but give me a new teaching assignment and/or a new coaching assignment (i.e. varsity OC to JH coach or freshmen coach) (teaching 4 classes to teaching 6 classes) most understand that if you aren't wanted as a coach, then you're best bet is to move on regardless of what happens because your situation probably won't be all that fun. Which is another reason why many of us do not consider Texas to be the coaching paradise that some think it is.
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Post by fugulookinat on Jan 15, 2014 9:20:57 GMT -6
I've coached in several states, currently in Texas. I live in a 2,200 sq. ft. 4 bedroom house in a very nice area (paid $152K). I'm a coordinator at a 5A school and teach 1 PE class a day. My salary is just over $70K and my coaching stipend is $13,000. My office sits in a $5 million dollar field house. HC teaches no classes, makes $120k plus camp and clinic money. Now that I'm here, I will never leave Texas.
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Post by rhscoachbh on Jan 16, 2014 13:20:40 GMT -6
If u like big time football sounds like a place to be. If u just want a nice teaching job and coaching up so kids then its not such a great place to be. Gotta set ur goals and priorities and pick a state that most closely matched them I completely agree with this. Sounds like I need to move to Texas.
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Post by huskerhoyahawk on Jan 16, 2014 17:08:10 GMT -6
I've coached in several states, currently in Texas. I live in a 2,200 sq. ft. 4 bedroom house in a very nice area (paid $152K). I'm a coordinator at a 5A school and teach 1 PE class a day. My salary is just over $70K and my coaching stipend is $13,000. My office sits in a $5 million dollar field house. HC teaches no classes, makes $120k plus camp and clinic money. Now that I'm here, I will never leave Texas. Man, I am really jealous. Is your school hiring? Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-N900A using proboards
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Post by blb on Jan 16, 2014 17:13:00 GMT -6
I've coached in several states, currently in Texas. I live in a 2,200 sq. ft. 4 bedroom house in a very nice area (paid $152K). I'm a coordinator at a 5A school and teach 1 PE class a day. My salary is just over $70K and my coaching stipend is $13,000. My office sits in a $5 million dollar field house. HC teaches no classes, makes $120k plus camp and clinic money. Now that I'm here, I will never leave Texas. Man, I am really jealous. Is your school hiring? Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-N900A using proboards
Yeah - but you'd better win.
A lot.
Or you'll be selling that house hoping one of the next guys in will buy it.
While you're looking for a landing spot for your family.
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Post by buckeye7525 on Jan 16, 2014 17:41:57 GMT -6
So would coaching in Texas be pretty similar to coaching at the collegiate level as far as when the HC is let go that you will probably also have to be looking elsewhere for work, both in coaching as well as in teaching?
Out of curiosity how hard is it to get various teaching jobs in the state from year to year? I know here in Ohio (at least where I am) that getting teaching jobs is a pretty tough gig and once you get one its tough to leave because seniority comes into play when cuts have to be made.
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Post by coachostreet on Jan 17, 2014 13:19:25 GMT -6
I haven't gotten all the way through this thread but I haven't seen any mention of Missouri. Probably mostly with good reason. The St. Louis Dispatch posts all public education figures online every year. You just have to search the last names. You can even see the difference in the Teacher and Extra Pay. Pretty Interesting to see who gets what. My HC has one of the higher Extra Pays (18,000) in the state that I have found while browsing, but the starting teacher pay here at Lebanon is really low for most, 31,000. Click the link and do some searching. www.stltoday.com/news/local/stl-info/updated---missouri-educators-salaries/html_4e9b0b24-598c-505d-95c5-9a5d5e90f8d3.htmlCost of Living is obviously low in MO. Patches have great support. We have well over 3500+ for every home game and had 9000-10000 @camdenton in 08-09. We have brand new Field Turf and a nice big Jumbotron. Facilities are in the process of a major reno. Good times with the Support. Other areas have little to no support. I would say LSW, Staley, Nixa, Ozark, Kirkwood, Waynesville coaches all make great money.
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Post by jmg999 on Jan 21, 2014 3:58:56 GMT -6
In the Los Angeles area, there are private schools that pay low six-figures. If you coach at a public school in LA, the stipends are pretty crappy, though. Lots of the population commutes from the outlying county areas, so there is affordable housing, not to mention all the other amenities that come w/ living in Southern California.
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