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Post by coach2013 on Jun 4, 2013 8:08:30 GMT -6
Even NFL guys get one day off a week. Players...not coaches. True, and those guys are getting the salary that my assistants are not. My guys get a small stipend. I think its silly to ask them to put in 6 days a week and expect them to stay married and be good dads too. They can watch the game on dvd or hudl, be with their family, we can email a few times or chat on facebook or the phone if need be. I dont need to have them with me while I chew through film. I watch the film, send them my notes, they either watch it or dont, but i pick what needs to be fixed and if they see something i didnt , great.
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Post by fantom on Jun 4, 2013 8:38:24 GMT -6
Even NFL guys get one day off a week. Players...not coaches. I do work seven days a week. It's just that instead of doing it in a dark office I do it in my recliner. If I watch six hours of film on Saturday does it make a difference that, instead of grinding out six straight hours at school, I break it up by watching college games, mowing the lawn, and going for a walk?
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Post by mattharris75 on Jun 4, 2013 8:44:02 GMT -6
The last thing I want to do right after the game Friday is watch the film. So no way am I ready to view it with kids Saturday morning in any kind of meaningful, productive manner. I always watch the game film 3 or 4 times on Friday night after games, and the header is doing the same. We email back and forth about it until about 2 AM. We bring our kids in at 8AM on Saturday mornings, both to watch film and to work out. For film, we break down into position groups and run through it in about half an hour. Their workout is a 'mobility and recovery' workout. They loosen up, use foam rollers, stretch, etc. Probably about 45 minutes, and then they're done. The funny thing is our header decided to quit having the kids come in on Saturday mornings this coming season, because he didn't like coming in that early after a long Friday night (And with HUDL now, we really didn't need to as a staff either). But the kids all begged him to keep the Saturday morning session. I don't care for coming in Saturday mornings either (But I do think it's beneficial for the kids, the film but in particular the workout) but it definitely makes you feel like the program is healthy and headed in a positive direction when you see that level of buy in and dedication from the kids.
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 4, 2013 8:44:13 GMT -6
IMO- Among the worst possible things you can do for your program is bring kids in on Saturday to watch film or run or lift or really, do anything football related.
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 4, 2013 8:47:07 GMT -6
The last thing I want to do right after the game Friday is watch the film. So no way am I ready to view it with kids Saturday morning in any kind of meaningful, productive manner. I always watch the game film 3 or 4 times on Friday night after games, and the header is doing the same. We email back and forth about it until about 2 AM. We bring our kids in at 8AM on Saturday mornings, both to watch film and to work out. For film, we break down into position groups and run through it in about half an hour. Their workout is a 'mobility and recovery' workout. They loosen up, use foam rollers, stretch, etc. Probably about 45 minutes, and then they're done. The funny thing is our header decided to quit having the kids come in on Saturday mornings this coming season, because he didn't like coming in that early after a long Friday night (And with HUDL now, we really didn't need to as a staff either). But the kids all begged him to keep the Saturday morning session. I don't care for coming in Saturday mornings either (But I do think it's beneficial for the kids, the film but in particular the workout) but it definitely makes you feel like the program is healthy and headed in a positive direction when you see that level of buy in and dedication from the kids. Different strokes I guess. I don't know if I watch our games 3 or 4 times ever after we've played them, let alone on Friday night.
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Post by fantom on Jun 4, 2013 8:58:36 GMT -6
I always watch the game film 3 or 4 times on Friday night after games, and the header is doing the same. We email back and forth about it until about 2 AM. We bring our kids in at 8AM on Saturday mornings, both to watch film and to work out. For film, we break down into position groups and run through it in about half an hour. Their workout is a 'mobility and recovery' workout. They loosen up, use foam rollers, stretch, etc. Probably about 45 minutes, and then they're done. The funny thing is our header decided to quit having the kids come in on Saturday mornings this coming season, because he didn't like coming in that early after a long Friday night (And with HUDL now, we really didn't need to as a staff either). But the kids all begged him to keep the Saturday morning session. I don't care for coming in Saturday mornings either (But I do think it's beneficial for the kids, the film but in particular the workout) but it definitely makes you feel like the program is healthy and headed in a positive direction when you see that level of buy in and dedication from the kids. Different strokes I guess. I don't know if I watch our games 3 or 4 times ever after we've played them, let alone on Friday night. We don't watch the film as a group Friday night but I usually do watch it at home. I'm usually wound up and can't sleep so if I get the email notification that the film's been uploaded I'll watch it. If it doesn't get uploaded that night, oh well.
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 4, 2013 9:16:26 GMT -6
I'm the guy who could probably go to sleep in the fourth quarter of most games.
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Post by 60zgo on Jun 4, 2013 9:36:46 GMT -6
The most successful coach I ever worked for(multiple state titles & many title appearances)never brought the kids in and the only film he showed them was of the opponent. I think we forget that we are dealing with kids for the most part. We want them to analyze and devour film the way we would and that's just not the case.
My point is I think you get more value out of that block of time on a Saturday by NOT bringing them in. That's a couple hours you can use to analyze yourself, breakdown the opponent, draw cards, whatever.
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Post by cqmiller on Jun 4, 2013 10:02:19 GMT -6
The most successful coach I ever worked for(multiple state titles & many title appearances)never brought the kids in and the only film he showed them was of the opponent. I think we forget that we are dealing with kids for the most part. We want them to analyze and devour film the way we would and that's just not the case. My point is I think you get more value out of that block of time on a Saturday by NOT bringing them in. That's a couple hours you can use to analyze yourself, breakdown the opponent, draw cards, whatever. In my opinion it is far less important for the kids to watch scout-film or film of opponents than it is to watch their own and correct their mistakes. If we handle our job, it shouldn't matter what the other team does. Coaches are the only ones who are 'forced' to watch opponent film, if the kids want to, it is available to them on HUDL anytime they want to watch. Plus HUDL tracks time spent watching film, so you can see who your kids that are trying to prepare are very quickly.
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Post by 60zgo on Jun 4, 2013 10:11:30 GMT -6
Different strokes.
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 4, 2013 10:23:40 GMT -6
Plus HUDL tracks time spent watching film, so you can see who your kids that are trying to prepare are very quickly. Or you can find out which ones put it on, minimize the tab and proceed to screw around on facebook, or twitter, or whatever.
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Post by cqmiller on Jun 4, 2013 10:25:17 GMT -6
It only tracks active time... if a kid isn't clicking between plays, it doesn't count it. Had 2-3 kids learn that one last year.
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Post by cqmiller on Jun 4, 2013 10:28:50 GMT -6
Same reason why kids are always wondering "why doesn't any colleges recruit our school?"... PREPARATION, PREPARATION, PREPARATION. Already had issues this offseason in the S&C program. We are gonna have a "Hillcrest Version" of what LSU does at their facilty:
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Post by bigm0073 on Jun 4, 2013 10:31:06 GMT -6
We have had HUDL since 2010 and it really revolutionized our program and how we meet/breakdown film. Our game ends on Friday Night at around 9:00 - 9:30 range. Our game is usually uploaded before midnight. Our trades (all 13 games last year we traded via HUDL. Had the film by 1-2:00 AM Saturday Morning). So here is what I have told our staff the past two years - 1. We meet Sundays at 4:30 PM At that meeting all players have been graded/evaluated by position coach and we review our 2 deep depth chart. Finalize any personnel issues we may have had. 2. Review/Identify Special Teams.
After this we break off offense/defense. Now from Friday Night until Sunday at 4:30 PM each coach is responsible for their work. Our defensive coordinator assigns responsibilities to his guys (HUDL cut ups, clips, grades, hit chart for run game... Pass routes/formations drawn, favorite routes). Over Friday Night into Sunday there are a lot of phone calls, text, emails. But everyone works at their own pace over the weekend. As long as they come in ready to roll Sunday we are good. This is usually the case 95% of the time. Some guys work at night, some guys work early in the AM.. others do it in the afternoon.. One coach watches film from 1:00 AM - 4:00 AM. Night owl.. I get emails and text from him at 3:00 in the AM often. Some guys have Saturday commitments, AM or PM or at night.. SOme guys have church Sunday.. BBQs...
I am a bottom line guy. As long as you come in at 4:30 PM with your work and responsibility done we are good. And that is something we have bought into as a staff. It works for us. We usually leave Sundays at 8:00 - 9:00 PM range.. On a few occasions a little later if needed. Not often. Our coaches are very, very good and reliable. Our DC has 10 years college coaching experience and has been with me for 4 years. He gets it. We have other coaches who are former head coaches or former coordinators. They get it too. We groom our young guys along and they eventually understand and learn our culture. This schedule has been very good to us. Over the last two years we have gone 10-3 and 11-2. Losing in the state semifinals on the last play of the game to the eventual state champ both years. For me the schedule is not as important as hiring and surrounding yourself with great people who love kids and love football. We all have that same trait.
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Post by gators1422 on Jun 4, 2013 10:37:44 GMT -6
I'm wondering do some of you guys like coaching or like the guys you coach with? ? I don't see how you wouldn't want to watch the game you just coached. Our entire staff gets together after the games on friday and watches our film and the news. I'm anxious to see all the work we have put in.
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Post by bigm0073 on Jun 4, 2013 10:37:50 GMT -6
HUDL Guys
See some of you have had problem with kids watching film. I have a question
DO YOU MAKE IT INTERACTIVE WITH THEM?
You can make clips and send it to your group. I did it with QBs last year. I would make 20 or so clips and put "What coverage is this? Why" "Who is # 3 ? WHat is his responsibility does he have".... Players within our group QB/WR respond and send the clips back to me. This is our interactive scouting report.
Our DC does the same thing with his Linebackers - He does all check with me's on defense. So he will say "What is our check to this" Check to this.... The players answer and forward their answers/responses back to the DC. By Wednesday Hay is in the barn and Thursday we are walking thru.
This interactive approach has helped us maximize our film sessions and get more productivity out of them. We use it like a classroom session - homework.
Again we have done this now for two years so it is just apart of our culture. It is just what they do....
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2013 10:41:11 GMT -6
Dam, Spencer Ware was on that list!!!!
Anyhoo, I agree, bringing in kids is pointless. I'm on the fence on some things though. I agree with cqmiller, "the eye in the sky doesn't lie" is ALWAYS a true statement. When kids can see themselves, and you can coach them through it, I think it's a great teaching tool. The problem is, it's already happened.
In an ideal world, and these programs do exist, I have a couple of buddies that work at programs such as this, you film practice. Last season I had the opportunity to visit these campuses to watch them practice. Practice was up tempo, fast paced and there was very little "on the field" coaching going on. The next day when I returned, my friend had me come early b/c he wanted me to see their film breakdown. Well, that's where the coaching came into play. There was coaching in INDY, but not during team whatsoever. The coaching came in pre-practice meetings the next day. This was where they were able to get mistakes ironed out BEFORE Friday night.
Now I coach at a cellar-dweller in terms of money and budget, so getting practiced filmed is much akin to finding Jimmy Hoffa, as I'm sure is the case with many, but my point here is that film of yourself is an unbelievable teaching tool.
As far as film of the opponent, I'm 50-50 on this one. I think if you're not very good, especially physically, then I wouldn't show them their opponent. Kids seeing a juggernaut on Monday, they may quit on Monday and you've lost a week's worth of work b/c Johnny thinks Goliath is going to kill him Friday night. Now if you compare well to your opponent, then yes, I'd say show them the film. I know that sounds cowardly but we actually did this when we were bad and it seemed to work. At least we'd come out knowing what to do b/c we'd had a decent week of practice. We may still have had guys lay down b/c of what they saw on the opposing s/l's, but at least we didn't have that starting Monday. Unfortunately some kids are that way these days (hell, it really hasn't changed, I played with some cowards just like that 100 years ago). Anyhow, I think you need to know the overall mental health of your players before your show them the opponent. That film can be a double edged sword.
Duece
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Post by cqmiller on Jun 4, 2013 11:20:11 GMT -6
I am in the process of recruiting 2 "Video Managers" who will film practice and put it into HUDL. Again, up to the kids to watch it, and coaches to put comments in.
There are a few programs in this area where "practice" is 4 hours each day during the week because they film everything, and after a 2.5 hour practice, they shower and go into the film room to watch.
One of the private schools has films on Sunday from like 1:00 PM - 9:00 PM with the entire team.
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 4, 2013 11:20:29 GMT -6
I'm wondering do some of you guys like coaching or like the guys you coach with? ? I don't see how you wouldn't want to watch the game you just coached. Our entire staff gets together after the games on friday and watches our film and the news. I'm anxious to see all the work we have put in. I really like them. Mostly. I don't want to watch the game I just coached, because, well, I just coached it. I know what happened. If it's a win I'd rather have a good time chatting or hanging out with the staff and their families. If it's a loss, I'd rather not want to shoot myself again by watching it. Fridays after the game, for me, is a time to decompress, relax and have a little fun. I'll go back to work on Saturday morning.
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Post by cqmiller on Jun 4, 2013 11:22:58 GMT -6
Dam, Spencer Ware was on that list!!!! Most of those guys left for NFL early (and got drafted 1-2 rounds lower than they could have been) because of their work ethic. LSU has started a Freshman RB each of the last 3 years because of their knuckleheadedness: Ware (busted with Honey Badger), Ford (obviously curls, but don't know much else), and Blue (injury). This last great freshman just got suspended for getting arrested too. Can't get out of their own way... LOL
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 4, 2013 11:34:10 GMT -6
It only tracks active time... if a kid isn't clicking between plays, it doesn't count it. Had 2-3 kids learn that one last year. I didn't know that.
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Post by fballcoachg on Jun 4, 2013 11:52:15 GMT -6
My experience in bringing them all in is that it often turns in to babysitting or highlight watching. I also appreciate the concept of giving them the weekend.
I would much rather make a cut up that pertains to each player/group and send that out with notes. A few positive plays, a few things they need to improve, and a few clips of what to expect from the next opponent.
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Post by bigm0073 on Jun 4, 2013 11:58:58 GMT -6
Filming practice is a MUST in our program. Being doing it for 10 years. We film it and load it to HUDL. By 6:00 it is up.
We film - 7 on 7, triangle drill, inside run/ 9 on 9 .. some team portions.. some special teams too...
It is outlined for the managers when they are to do it on the schedule.
On average we film 70 - 95 snaps a day of practice. All varsity position coaches comment at night on their own. Instant feedback for players. Been doing this on HUDL since 2010.
We film everything. We film minicamps without pads... We are filming our 6 day camp this week as well. It is not that hard. Just have to commit to it. It is the reason why we win games. It is not talent. We are the only team in our area that films practice too.
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Post by coachbw on Jun 4, 2013 12:01:03 GMT -6
Friday night, we get the game uploaded to hudl ASAP. When I wake up on Saturday, the first thing I usually do is go through and make voice over notes for the offense. Our DC will do the same Saturday morning for the defense. Kids can then watch our film with comments anytime on Saturday or Sunday. After that, we don't really have any deadlines or meetings. We will call who we need to on staff, and we will work in a facetime or skype call between coaches on Sunday night, but we get most of our game plan done through text, hudl, email, or phone calls. We have a small staff (5), but and live up to an hour and a half apart so we just don't feel like it is productive to spend 3 hours driving when we could spent that time doing other things. The skype/email attachments route has treated us surprisingly well.
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Post by s73 on Jun 4, 2013 12:01:12 GMT -6
I'm wondering do some of you guys like coaching or like the guys you coach with? ? I don't see how you wouldn't want to watch the game you just coached. Our entire staff gets together after the games on friday and watches our film and the news. I'm anxious to see all the work we have put in. I always have the guys come over after the game and watch the film on Fridays. We just don't remember it between beers.
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Post by realdawg on Jun 4, 2013 12:04:06 GMT -6
I agree that it is important for kids to watch film of themselves in the previous game. I cant tell you how many times a kid is making a mistake in practice and I cant convince him he is doing it wrong, but when I show it to him on film he gets it. I DO believe in showing your kids your opponents films however. I think that really helps us prepare especially defensively. It helps us teach them any major formational or D&D tendencies that are part of the game plan. We are very lucky however, to have all our kids in wt training during the school day. So on Mondays we lift during class, then watch the film before we go to practice. Mondays are a pretty short and light practice where we mostly install the game plan. Tuesdays the kids watch opponents film during the wt training class, and then we lift on Wed., and watch film again on Thursday during class.
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Post by rhscoachbh on Jun 4, 2013 12:18:38 GMT -6
Here's our weekend schedule for the defensive staff: Saturday 9am-1pm grade game film, type player notes and post grades for players 9pm-1am I would usually break down all opponent film (might have a younger coach doing that this year)
Sunday 9am-7/8pm Creating scouting report, D/D/H/FP charts, favorite pass cards, favorite run cards, watch the last 3 games as a defensive staff taking notes of anything that the Hudl reports wouldn't pick up, personnel groupings, special teams meetings with rest of staff, staff meeting with rest of staff, go over defensive personnel, and game plan On Sunday night we have a family that brings dinner for the staff. It has become a competition at times between parents to bring the best staff dinner, and we've had some all timers.
Monday After practice we go eat dinner as a staff, HC/Booster club pays. We then meet defensively for goalline situation and any last adjustments we feel need to be made. Usually home by 9 on Monday nights. This may change this season as we might be going to a 6-8:30 Monday night practice.
I'm hoping we'll be able to streamline our meetings on Sundays a little more next season, but doubt it will happen.
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Post by mattharris75 on Jun 4, 2013 12:23:38 GMT -6
As far as film of the opponent, I'm 50-50 on this one. I think if you're not very good, especially physically, then I wouldn't show them their opponent. Kids seeing a juggernaut on Monday, they may quit on Monday and you've lost a week's worth of work b/c Johnny thinks Goliath is going to kill him Friday night. Now if you compare well to your opponent, then yes, I'd say show them the film. We've done the same thing in the past when we were bad. We've also done the same thing for the opposite reason. When we've been pretty good and the other team is terrible we don't show the kids that either. Instead we build up the opposing team in practice, talk about who their best players are and how dangerous they are, etc. It's the same danger of kids checking out and not getting better because they think they'll destroy a team.
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Post by 60zgo on Jun 4, 2013 23:19:37 GMT -6
That is one of the great things about HUDL... We never show the kids an entire game film of the opponent. Our defensive coaches show them their top runs, passes, and favorite formations. Offensively we show them defensive alignment to our formations and perhaps their most frequent stunts/blitzes. We might only show them 20 opponent plays a day. If that.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2013 5:03:03 GMT -6
As far as film of the opponent, I'm 50-50 on this one. I think if you're not very good, especially physically, then I wouldn't show them their opponent. Kids seeing a juggernaut on Monday, they may quit on Monday and you've lost a week's worth of work b/c Johnny thinks Goliath is going to kill him Friday night. Now if you compare well to your opponent, then yes, I'd say show them the film. We've done the same thing in the past when we were bad. We've also done the same thing for the opposite reason. When we've been pretty good and the other team is terrible we don't show the kids that either. Instead we build up the opposing team in practice, talk about who their best players are and how dangerous they are, etc. It's the same danger of kids checking out and not getting better because they think they'll destroy a team. That's a very good point! Duece
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