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Post by davishfc on Jul 8, 2013 9:58:01 GMT -6
So on Mondays we lift during class, then watch the film before we go to practice. Mondays are a pretty short and light practice where we mostly install the game plan. This is quite similar to how we handle our Mondays as well.
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Post by davishfc on Jul 8, 2013 10:07:43 GMT -6
Here's our weekend schedule for the defensive staff: Saturday 9am-1pm grade game film, type player notes and post grades for players 9pm-1am I would usually break down all opponent film (might have a younger coach doing that this year) Sunday 9am-7/8pm Creating scouting report, D/D/H/FP charts, favorite pass cards, favorite run cards, watch the last 3 games as a defensive staff taking notes of anything that the Hudl reports wouldn't pick up, personnel groupings, special teams meetings with rest of staff, staff meeting with rest of staff, go over defensive personnel, and game plan On Sunday night we have a family that brings dinner for the staff. It has become a competition at times between parents to bring the best staff dinner, and we've had some all timers. Monday After practice we go eat dinner as a staff, HC/Booster club pays. We then meet defensively for goalline situation and any last adjustments we feel need to be made. Usually home by 9 on Monday nights. This may change this season as we might be going to a 6-8:30 Monday night practice. I'm hoping we'll be able to streamline our meetings on Sundays a little more next season, but doubt it will happen. 4 hours together as a staff on Saturday... followed by another 10-11 hours on Sunday... and not home until 9 on Mondays? Is the staff going to be young and single forever? When do you see your families during the season? I've got to say, this is definitely one of the most absurd weekend schedules I've ever heard of. No offense, it's just a $hit ton. There has to be a way to win games and maintain responsibilities as husbands and fathers. This is certainly not it.
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Post by blb on Jul 8, 2013 10:09:02 GMT -6
I worked at one school where policy was no activities on Sundays.
So we had to watch film on Mondays after school (Saturday is assistants and kids' day off), get in a short (60-75 minute) practice, AND lift.
Made for a long Monday. Too long for me, especially after doing a lot of Football over weekend and teaching all day.
I want previous game to be history by Monday.
And I want to get a full practice in to start next game's preparation on Monday or I feel like we're behind.
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Post by davishfc on Jul 8, 2013 10:21:36 GMT -6
As far as film of the opponent, I'm 50-50 on this one. I think if you're not very good, especially physically, then I wouldn't show them their opponent. Kids seeing a juggernaut on Monday, they may quit on Monday and you've lost a week's worth of work b/c Johnny thinks Goliath is going to kill him Friday night. Now if you compare well to your opponent, then yes, I'd say show them the film. We've done the same thing in the past when we were bad. We've also done the same thing for the opposite reason. When we've been pretty good and the other team is terrible we don't show the kids that either. Instead we build up the opposing team in practice, talk about who their best players are and how dangerous they are, etc. It's the same danger of kids checking out and not getting better because they think they'll destroy a team. Good point. This does work both ways. I've been on both ends of this. If we weren't very good and our opponent was outstanding, I showed the bare essentials and no more in terms of film. I wanted our team to believe we had a chance and maybe we could knock off a team that didn't take us seriously. And vice versa... If we were pretty good and our opponent was terrible, I showed the bare essentials and no more in terms of film. I wanted our team to believe that our opponent was better than they were so they didn't take them lightly.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 8, 2013 10:25:57 GMT -6
One thing to consider here to is that there may be some VALUE in longer days, group discussion, even if it has some wasted BS time. Some valuable nuggets may be in that grizzled vet's war story rambling. Some value may come from longer yet inefficient group breakdown sessions and game planning, as opposed to the "you guys go home, I will do this myself" scenarios I read about. Much like the thread on trying to eliminate drawing up scout cards, I do think there is a great deal of value and learning that can come from longer ...yet inefficent..weekend sessions. True. But not knowing how much time you'll inefficiently invest and what the return on that investment of time will be is difficult to justify to your family. When I was single and didn't have anyone at home waiting on me, he11 I'd be there all night through thick and thin of football conversations. I can't lie, I still do but not nearly as frequently as I used to. So I know where your coming from because I've been there and benefited. However, this is not a practice that any man who values his family would continue to have throughout his coaching career. I understand that aspect. I just keep reading post after post about "I don't have any good coaches to turn over the (offense, defense, special teams) to. I have to run them all. Then I read post after post on ideas to eliminate things that I believe are ACTUALLY how someone learns to be a football coach.
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Post by davishfc on Jul 8, 2013 10:29:56 GMT -6
If a kid asked me to watch it, I'd probably let them. I can probably count on one hand the number of kids who have asked me to take home a film of someone other than our team before. I don't know that many of them really watch it or get much out of it when we watch it with them. I'd bet 60-70% of them are tuned out during it. If you had Hudl then the kids wouldn't have to ask you. If film was right at their fingertips on their computer or phone then they would watch it. Both your film and opponent film. In regards to kids not getting much out of the film when you watch it with them, that sounds like a problem with the coaching staff not using it as a teaching opportunity. That's really what watching film is all about, you're providing another avenue for your players to learn...bottom line. If 60-70% of them are tuned out during it...you're either coaching that to happen or allowing it to happen, one of the two.
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Post by mattharris75 on Jul 8, 2013 10:32:36 GMT -6
We've done the same thing in the past when we were bad. We've also done the same thing for the opposite reason. When we've been pretty good and the other team is terrible we don't show the kids that either. Instead we build up the opposing team in practice, talk about who their best players are and how dangerous they are, etc. It's the same danger of kids checking out and not getting better because they think they'll destroy a team. Good point. This does work both ways. I've been on both ends of this. If we weren't very good and our opponent was outstanding, I showed the bare essentials and no more in terms of film. I wanted our team to believe we had a chance and maybe we could knock off a team that didn't take us seriously. And vice versa... If we were pretty good and our opponent was terrible, I showed the bare essentials and no more in terms of film. I wanted our team to believe that our opponent was better than they were so they didn't take them lightly. It's probably a good rule in general, regardless of how closely matched two teams are, to keep the film to the bare essentials. It's not how much film you show them, it's about showing them the right things. Kids are only going to absorb a certain amount of information, and you're probably better erring on the side of 'less is more' than vice versa. HUDL is a great tool for being efficient with film, which is one of the reasons I love it. *Edit - This isn't directed at you, just a general point brought about by me seeing this conversation again.
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Post by rhscoachbh on Jul 8, 2013 10:51:52 GMT -6
Here's our weekend schedule for the defensive staff: Saturday 9am-1pm grade game film, type player notes and post grades for players 9pm-1am I would usually break down all opponent film (might have a younger coach doing that this year) Sunday 9am-7/8pm Creating scouting report, D/D/H/FP charts, favorite pass cards, favorite run cards, watch the last 3 games as a defensive staff taking notes of anything that the Hudl reports wouldn't pick up, personnel groupings, special teams meetings with rest of staff, staff meeting with rest of staff, go over defensive personnel, and game plan On Sunday night we have a family that brings dinner for the staff. It has become a competition at times between parents to bring the best staff dinner, and we've had some all timers. Monday After practice we go eat dinner as a staff, HC/Booster club pays. We then meet defensively for goalline situation and any last adjustments we feel need to be made. Usually home by 9 on Monday nights. This may change this season as we might be going to a 6-8:30 Monday night practice. I'm hoping we'll be able to streamline our meetings on Sundays a little more next season, but doubt it will happen. 4 hours together as a staff on Saturday... followed by another 10-11 hours on Sunday... and not home until 9 on Mondays? Is the staff going to be young and single forever? When do you see your families during the season? I've got to say, this is definitely one of the most absurd weekend schedules I've ever heard of. No offense, it's just a $hit ton. There has to be a way to win games and maintain responsibilities as husbands and fathers. This is certainly not it. 4 hours together as a staff on Saturday... Yes, around 4 hours grading the game film. followed by another 10-11 hours on Sunday... Yes, for film breakdown of opponents and building scouting report, scout cards, etc.and not home until 9 on Mondays? This will change this year. We use to have a staff dinner and meeting Monday night, but we are going to a night practice on Monday and Wednesday nights.Is the staff going to be young and single forever? Believe it or not, the majority of our staff is married with kids. The older guys on staff have their kids already out of the house. We have another with 2 kids in high school, and then me and another coach have younger kids.When do you see your families during the season? My wife will come usually twice a week and walk the track with our girls. My wife leaves early in the morning, so I'm in charge of getting our girls up, fed, dressed, and off to daycare. Tuesdays and Thursdays I'm home at a decent time, and then on Saturdays. I'm fortunate my wife and I dated a couple years before getting married, so she understood the schedule going into it. It helped that her dad was a high school coach when she was growing up. I've got to say, this is definitely one of the most absurd weekend schedules I've ever heard of. This is all I've ever known for the most part, so I don't know of any other way to do it. I played for the HC I work for and he still has a core part of his staff that he brought when he first got to the school in the early 90s. The rest of the assistants are like myself and all played for him. So our staff consists of guys who have either coached there 20+ years or played for the coaches that have been there 20+ years. This will be my 17th coaching there. No offense, it's just a $hit ton. Definitely a $hit tonThere has to be a way to win games and maintain responsibilities as husbands and fathers. I don't coach any other sports, so outside of football I get to spend a lot of time with my daughters and wife. I don't teach summer school so I have the whole summer with them before we start back up the grind. We play in one of the toughest divisions in So. Cal and in the nation, so the competition is very stiff and preparation is key, especially when you are normally not as talented as the other teams. This is certainly not it. I do think there are things we can do to streamline it. I could probably get most of my work done on Saturday night after my girls go to bed and spend a little more time at home on Sundays. I would probably still need to put in 6-7 hours in the office on Sunday doing the things we do together as a staff.
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Post by hammer66 on Jul 8, 2013 11:14:49 GMT -6
We have been pretty good. We play home games on Saturdays. So there isn't much time. We meet Sundays for about 4 hours. Its the coordinators job to have everything broken down before the meeting on Sunday and put in the gameplan. Mondays are lift watch film and install gameplan. As the DC I am doing most of the work on Saturday eve and Sunday early. So when we meet its a piece of cake. I do the Cards on Sunday night. This has worked for us. We still put in 7 days half the season. When we play Friday nights we take Saturday off.
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Post by larrymoe on Jul 8, 2013 11:28:56 GMT -6
If a kid asked me to watch it, I'd probably let them. I can probably count on one hand the number of kids who have asked me to take home a film of someone other than our team before. I don't know that many of them really watch it or get much out of it when we watch it with them. I'd bet 60-70% of them are tuned out during it. If you had Hudl then the kids wouldn't have to ask you. If film was right at their fingertips on their computer or phone then they would watch it. Both your film and opponent film. In regards to kids not getting much out of the film when you watch it with them, that sounds like a problem with the coaching staff not using it as a teaching opportunity. That's really what watching film is all about, you're providing another avenue for your players to learn...bottom line. If 60-70% of them are tuned out during it...you're either coaching that to happen or allowing it to happen, one of the two. Heck. You seem to have ALL the answers for all of us. Maybe you should just coach all of our teams.
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Post by davishfc on Jul 8, 2013 13:55:32 GMT -6
If you had Hudl then the kids wouldn't have to ask you. If film was right at their fingertips on their computer or phone then they would watch it. Both your film and opponent film. In regards to kids not getting much out of the film when you watch it with them, that sounds like a problem with the coaching staff not using it as a teaching opportunity. That's really what watching film is all about, you're providing another avenue for your players to learn...bottom line. If 60-70% of them are tuned out during it...you're either coaching that to happen or allowing it to happen, one of the two. Heck. You seem to have ALL the answers for all of us. Maybe you should just coach all of our teams. Not all of the answers. Just a couple suggestions for you mainly. No thanks...I like where I'm at. Besides, your program doesn't have Hudl I honestly believe there would be so many positives if you would commit to the resource rather than talking yourself out of it or talking it down. Just a thought.
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Post by newhope on Jul 9, 2013 7:38:01 GMT -6
Our players do not come in on Saturday or Sunday. The trade off is a long Monday for them with film and practice. The only issue I have with this is keeping them late on a school night to start the week. Our program priorities are Character, Family, Academics, Football. I feel like a sacrifice would be made academically in order to keep them from coming in for any amount of time over the weekend. If the late Mondays did not take their toll early on, I would certainly see them becoming an challenge for the kids as the season wore on. You wouldn't notice it but I think their classroom teachers would with their attention and focus. Especially their first hour teachers. I like to get them out at a decent time on Monday to start the week. Opponent film, defensive and offensive walk through, some individual and out of there. We have longer days on Tuesday and Wednesday then a shorter pre-game on Thursday. Game on Friday. I like bringing them in from 9-Noon on Saturday for film. I think it also helps as a deterrent of Friday night post game activities which reinforces our Character priority. They know they have to be up early on Saturday so some, I'm sure not all, are in bed at a decent hour. Coaches meet at 5 on Sunday to go over the game plan for the upcoming week. Assistants are expected to have watched opponent exchange films on Hudl. Coordinators bring the breakdown and their game plan that is completely solidified before we leave. I can't lie, it was pretty late a couple nights before we got out of there. The latest was against the team that ended up being our conference champion. We lost by 6 so all the work wasn't for not. All of those things are important in our program as well, and the same probably goes for most. When I say we're late on Monday, I mean we're finishing practice at 7:30 or 7:45 once school begins, which is later than normal and a longer day than normal. It's not asking them not to prepare for school, it's asking them to give up some tv or video time. We think it's a good trade off for giving both them and our staff time with their families, which is also important.
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Post by ndestefano on Jul 9, 2013 21:33:44 GMT -6
Usually, we play on Saturday mornings. Staff meeting Sunday morning 8-11 AM, then watch films with kids after lifting on Monday. Latest the staff has left on Monday is 7:30 PM.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2013 14:37:57 GMT -6
So nobody else hangs out to watch film until 3 or 4 AM as a staff on Friday night after the game? Lazy bums...
At my last school, the routine was:
11:30 PM Fri. night-3:00 AM Sat. morning. Wait for players to go home, then watch that game's film and make a tackle chart. This usually meant we were there until 3:00 AM or later. We'd get fast food. It was sort of like a post-game party/gripe session depending on whether we won or lost.
9 AM Saturday was film trade and position coaches grading film on their own time. We did not have HUDL and were on the far eastern end of our league, so whoever got drafted to make the trade for that week usually had to drive 1-2 hours each way. Otherwise we had no formal schedule for Saturday. This was a day with family.
1:00 PM to 10:00 PM Sunday. We meet as a staff to watch our previous game film again, then watch 2-3 opponents film and gameplan. Sometimes we'd leave at 8 or 9, depending on how confident we were in our upcoming game.
The super late night on Friday and the long meetings on Sunday made for exhausting days.
Players didn't come in at all on weekends. On Monday, they'd watch the previous film with us pointing things out for maybe 30 minutes and then we'd have a full practice. I liked the way we did this for them.
At the school I'm going to, the HC's eyes popped out when I described this routine to him. We don't have HUDL, either, but we'll go home on Friday, trade film Saturday morning, break things down on our own time over the weekend, then get together for 2-3 hours on Sunday. The players won't be in on the weekend, either.
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Post by blb on Jul 11, 2013 15:13:42 GMT -6
So nobody else hangs out to watch film until 3 or 4 AM as a staff on Friday night after the game? Lazy bums... At my last school, the routine was: 11:30 PM Fri. night-3:00 AM Sat. morning. Wait for players to go home, then watch that game's film and make a tackle chart. This usually meant we were there until 3:00 AM or later. We'd get fast food. It was sort of like a post-game party/gripe session depending on whether we won or lost. As a HS coach, header or assistant - you couldn't pay me enough to do that. And I love coaching and the sport as much as anybody. You've got to be intense enough to get the job done, but relaxed enough to enjoy it, too. That schedule is just going to make game nights even more stressful than they already are. Also, how effective can you be at 1, 2, 3 AM?
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Post by coach2013 on Jul 11, 2013 19:25:09 GMT -6
Morale is everything.
Keep that in the front of your mind as you set the demands on players and staff.
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Post by davishfc on Jul 11, 2013 20:14:41 GMT -6
I worked at one school where policy was no activities on Sundays. So we had to watch film on Mondays after school (Saturday is assistants and kids' day off), get in a short (60-75 minute) practice, AND lift. Made for a long Monday. Too long for me, especially after doing a lot of Football over weekend and teaching all day. I want previous game to be history by Monday. And I want to get a full practice in to start next game's preparation on Monday or I feel like we're behind. I'm with you Coach. I want the previous game to be history by Monday also. We watch our Friday night game as a team from 9-Noon the next morning on Saturday. On Monday, after we start with opponent film, the first thing we do is bury the previous week's game and move on win or lose. We literally bury a wood tombstone with the year, week #, teams, and score of the game on it. We bury them side by side throughout the season. If we lose, we're looking to respond well to adversity and bounce back. If we win, we're looking to stay humble and continue to improve. The message is a consistent reminder that we were given two eyes on the front our our head for looking forward... not back.
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Post by davishfc on Jul 11, 2013 20:23:55 GMT -6
So nobody else hangs out to watch film until 3 or 4 AM as a staff on Friday night after the game? Lazy bums... At my last school, the routine was: 11:30 PM Fri. night-3:00 AM Sat. morning. Wait for players to go home, then watch that game's film and make a tackle chart. This usually meant we were there until 3:00 AM or later. We'd get fast food. It was sort of like a post-game party/gripe session depending on whether we won or lost. As a HS coach, header or assistant - you couldn't pay me enough to do that. And I love coaching and the sport as much as anybody. You've got to be intense enough to get the job done, but relaxed enough to enjoy it, too. That schedule is just going to make game nights even more stressful than they already are. Also, how effective can you be at 1, 2, 3 AM? No kidding. That's a long day to be in school by 7:30 AM on Friday and not go to bed until 3 or 4 AM the next day. That's just too much. I love football and coaching football as much as anybody. "Intense enough to get the job done, but relaxed enough to enjoy it" is a great way to put it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2013 12:40:28 GMT -6
I too want the previous game "history by Monday"...but I worked for a coach who had us stay after Friday to watch film. Without a doubt one of the most dreadful experiences of my life. Granted, we went 1-8 that year and the one win wasn't until Week 9, so that may have had something to do with it
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2013 12:40:43 GMT -6
I too want the previous game "history by Monday"...but I worked for a coach who had us stay after Friday to watch film. Without a doubt one of the most dreadful experiences of my life. Granted, we went 1-8 that year and the one win wasn't until Week 9, so that may have had something to do with it
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2013 21:14:29 GMT -6
One thing that has shortened up in season weekend work for us is to watch every one of our game films from the previous year and do all the scout work in the summer. We draw out a set of scout cards based on the plays that our opponent ran against us and also chart the defense they played against us, ST, personnel, etc.
Then when the regular season rolls around we have a significant amount of scout work done and we can concentrate on watching film rather than breaking everything down from scratch.
It obviously does not help as much when your get a new opponent, there is a coaching change, or a major scheme change by an opponent but otherwise you will save a ton of time.
Also it allows you to identify problems you had against opponents and gives you time to come up solutions when you have more time and are less stressed.
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Post by coachwoodall on Jul 22, 2013 8:03:05 GMT -6
We grade the film as a staff after the game Fridays. Saturday work is on your own; get your responsibility done before Sunday staff meeting. Sunday is staff break down of opponent and game plan. THe thing I would change is the Sunday staff break down, but the HCDC wants everyone's input.
One great thing about hudl is that we trade 3 films. If the opposing HC isn't a huge peckker head then we already have 2 films traded before the weekend rolls around. So Saturday is is just the film from the night before.
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Post by buckeye7525 on Jul 22, 2013 10:14:26 GMT -6
One thing that has shortened up in season weekend work for us is to watch every one of our game films from the previous year and do all the scout work in the summer. We draw out a set of scout cards based on the plays that our opponent ran against us and also chart the defense they played against us, ST, personnel, etc. Then when the regular season rolls around we have a significant amount of scout work done and we can concentrate on watching film rather than breaking everything down from scratch. It obviously does not help as much when your get a new opponent, there is a coaching change, or a major scheme change by an opponent but otherwise you will save a ton of time. Also it allows you to identify problems you had against opponents and gives you time to come up solutions when you have more time and are less stressed. Do you guys do that for the opponents defense as well?
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Post by buckeye7525 on Jul 22, 2013 10:17:21 GMT -6
We grade the film as a staff after the game Fridays. Saturday work is on your own; get your responsibility done before Sunday staff meeting. Sunday is staff break down of opponent and game plan. THe thing I would change is the Sunday staff break down, but the HCDC wants everyone's input. One great thing about hudl is that we trade 3 films. If the opposing HC isn't a huge peckker head then we already have 2 films traded before the weekend rolls around. So Saturday is is just the film from the night before. Do you guys start inputting data on Hudl for the first two games before you play on Friday night?
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Post by coachfloyd on Jul 22, 2013 18:46:53 GMT -6
I have two sets of twins that were born on December 22, 2008 and December 20, 2010 so after games is my time when everybody in my house is asleep and I can grade film. All assistants are required to grade film before Sunday. We meet around 2. We will watch the opponent as offensive and defensive staffs and draw up how we think they will line up to each formation we run and then eliminate formations and plays that aren't good that week. Could be 6 or it could be 10. I will usually watch a ton of film when my kids are down for naps on Saturday but I try to be home when I am home if that makes sense. If the kids are up, I try to be daddy getting the crapped kicked out of myself in the floor.
I will tell you this though. As an almost life long option coach, nobody ever plays us like they play everybody else. So game planning for too long on Sundays can be pretty much a waste of time. I cant tell you how many times I have been in the box after 2 plays and said that watching film is a complete waste of time.
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Post by coachwoodall on Jul 22, 2013 19:34:01 GMT -6
We grade the film as a staff after the game Fridays. Saturday work is on your own; get your responsibility done before Sunday staff meeting. Sunday is staff break down of opponent and game plan. THe thing I would change is the Sunday staff break down, but the HCDC wants everyone's input. One great thing about hudl is that we trade 3 films. If the opposing HC isn't a huge peckker head then we already have 2 films traded before the weekend rolls around. So Saturday is is just the film from the night before. Do you guys start inputting data on Hudl for the first two games before you play on Friday night? Yeah if we get the films early, whenever we get some time we put in the info just to get ahead. Now of course I'm talking about NEXT weeks opponent, the film we used to only get Saturday morning
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2013 21:11:30 GMT -6
One thing that has shortened up in season weekend work for us is to watch every one of our game films from the previous year and do all the scout work in the summer. We draw out a set of scout cards based on the plays that our opponent ran against us and also chart the defense they played against us, ST, personnel, etc. Then when the regular season rolls around we have a significant amount of scout work done and we can concentrate on watching film rather than breaking everything down from scratch. It obviously does not help as much when your get a new opponent, there is a coaching change, or a major scheme change by an opponent but otherwise you will save a ton of time. Also it allows you to identify problems you had against opponents and gives you time to come up solutions when you have more time and are less stressed. Do you guys do that for the opponents defense as well? Yes we do. We are a little unique on offense so the best way to prepare for how an opponent is going to defend us is to look at last years film and at least write down the base fronts and who is coming back.
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