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Post by coach2013 on Jun 5, 2013 5:42:02 GMT -6
Ill throw in another 2 cents. Its typical for us to begin the year with kids making a commitment to Saturday practices/film/lift or JV reps. After the season progresses a bit we may scale that back and build in some performance incentives to earning a Sat off here or there.
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 5, 2013 8:47:02 GMT -6
Personally, I'd be fine with never showing kids any film of opposing teams ever. I've always kind of operated under the theory that if they don't see film, they have no option other than to believe whatever you're telling them about them. However, if they watch the film of them, especially without any supervision, every HS kid always thinks they're faster, bigger, better, whatever than anyone on film because film makes everyone look worse than they really are. I don't know how many guys I've worked for that will let kids watch film unsupervised over lunch or something and I've walked in to hear kids cutting on other teams saying "Look how slow this kid is" or "Man, these guys suck" and then we go out and get running clocked by that team or that back gains 250 yards on us.
Now, I'm truthful with kids when it comes to describing teams. I don't tell them they'll be in a dogfight when it's a team we should beat by 60 (except for one game last year when I really thought the team was better than they ended up being), nor do I tell them that someone is the 85 Bears when it should be a good game. I tell them the truth. Over the years as the kids have seen that I'm usually right about an opponents abilities they really buy into what I tell them about them. That's a very, very useful weapon when you really, really want to get them riled up for a game. But like I said, you have to use that sparingly.
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Post by gators1422 on Jun 5, 2013 16:10:39 GMT -6
I guess I don't get your theory. You'll tell your kids the truth and they should trust you since you're their coach but you won't let them watch film. I personally have the relationship with my kids that I tell them the truth. If the other teams lb is a beast I say it, if he sucks I'll say that. I don't see the harm in the kids watching video. I believe they see it on film, then on the practice field then on their hit chart. It becomes second nature. Just my opinion. :-)
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 5, 2013 21:43:57 GMT -6
I don't forbid them to see film, we still watch it because the rest of the staff wants to go over it with them. If a kid asked me to watch it, I'd probably let them. I can probably count on one hand the number of kids who have asked me to take home a film of someone other than our team before. I don't know that many of them really watch it or get much out of it when we watch it with them. I'd bet 60-70% of them are tuned out during it.
I just don't like kids to see what isn't there. I think if you let kids watch film by themselves, they have no idea what the hell they're looking for. It's not that I'm trying to keep them shrouded in some veil of secrecy. I just tend to think that kids don't have any concept of who looks good on film and who doesn't.
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Post by s73 on Jun 6, 2013 5:32:51 GMT -6
I think film can be very useful. But I think the vast majority of us misuse it (myself included).
I think it can be useful when you cut it up into a few segments of just their 4-5 best runs and passes and maybe a special team coaching point here and their.
Unfortunately most staffs just kind of run the film and talk about everything. I think this is a lot like giving a kid a test on a 300 page text book. Maybe a little too much information overload v. the cliff note version.
I was as guilty of rambling on during film as anybody w/o much scope or focus. Then I would light a kid up when he was dozing off. That's why I love hudl. I can make comments on hudl, particularly about their performance. I think this is something they tune into because it's about them.
I also LOVE the idea somebody else mentioned on this thread about being more interactive with it by having them respond back. I am definitely stealing that at least for my QB and maybe some Oline and defensive positions. I have to give it some more thought but will definitely be implementing.
Great stuff.
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Post by stone65 on Jun 6, 2013 16:59:25 GMT -6
We have our coaches watch and grade the game over the weekend. We meet as a staff on Sunday at 1:00. At that time we breakdown the opponent film until 3:00, then the players arrive. They watch film and do updowns for loafs. They leave around 4:30, then we game plan until around 6:30-7:30.
I wish we would do all the breakdown on our own before we meet, that way we could game plan, meet with the kids and go home.
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Post by bluboy on Jun 6, 2013 17:21:45 GMT -6
Kids come in Saturday for a weight workout. Two coaches run workout while defensive staff starts breaking down video(HUDL). After workout(about an hour),entire staff and kids watch previous game. Kids who did not play in game can stay or are excused. O and D watch video separately for about an hour. Kids go home. Sometimes we have to scout. If no scout, finish what we started. We are usually finished before noon. Sunday, head coach and I meet to discuss defensive game plan; sometimes we will finish breaking down a video. We get together at different times, but are never at school longer than 2.5 hours. I then go home and do all the statistical analysis of the opponent.
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Post by macdiiddy on Jun 13, 2013 20:42:10 GMT -6
I'm of this nature too, and it's why we do it in our "football class" (glorified PE for varsity players) on Mondays. The only reason I bring the kids in on Saturdays is if their extra curricular on Friday nights is beginning to have an effect on them (i.e. drinking and partying after games). Only takes one Saturday with me to run that "Nectar of the Gods" right out of em', and then we don't have much of a problem after that. I agree that film study Saturday morning is usually wasted and it's why I went away from it. Duece I always believed that is the most beneficial aspect of Saturday mornings. Either being a deterrent to bad decisions after the game or as character development time for those who may need a little extra work on where they put their priorities. But our weekend consist of: 9 AM - coaches report in, start watching/grading the film 10 AM - Players report in -Short addressing of the troops by the HC -Pick up trash around the stadium (if we had a home game) -Offense and Defense split up, one watches film while the other unit lifts then run/walk/jogs
We are done when we are done, normally out by 11:30
If we have film up on HUDL, we may watch it as a staff and start inputting some of the fields.
Every defensive coach will be responsible for specific columns. ODK, DnD, Yard Line, etc. However we leave certain ones like formation, play, blocking scheme etc. blank. We will discuss as a staff on Sunday what play or formation it is, due to some film can make plays quite undecipherable.
Sunday the Def. Staff will meet at 10 AM We will input what was mentioned above, run reports, draw up scout cards and develop a game plan. These days can be done as soon as 1 or as late as 6. It all depends on how many films we have, what the opponent is running, quality of the film.
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Post by coachirish on Jun 14, 2013 13:41:50 GMT -6
5 years ago when I started coaching at our school the coaches met on Saturday morning at 8am until around noon. We watched our film and broke it down. Then on Sunday coaches came in at 2pm and broke down opponents from anywhere from 6pm until 11pm. What made it brutal was we won 1 game in 3 years. The head coached believed that the more time we committed to watching film the better we would be. It was exhausting and caused burnout. 2 years ago I became the head coach we do not meet as a staff at all. We text and talk on the phone that day. On Sunday the coaches meet at 2pm and and discuss game plan ideas. The varsity comes in at 3pm for a quick lift and film breakdown of ourselves and maybe 15 min of the future opponent. We have won many more games doing it this way than the other coach's way.
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Post by coachmitts on Jun 14, 2013 16:26:33 GMT -6
We meet on Sundays from 3-6pm and we split weights and film between defense and offense. Jv will do a brief walk through around 5 as our jv games are Monday nights.
I am in charge of all uploading and tagging through hudl and that normally got done around 3am last year. This year will be different as I have better/faster equipment to run it on.
As for responsibility as it comes to breaking down film, I can't really say for the offense as this will be my first year with them. However, last year, the DC would watch film ALL DAY Saturday and then lecture the players the entire time on Sunday. He would take no input from any of his assistants about their views or grades and player performance. What he said was law. I personally would watch out game film and scout film each week even though my input didn't matter. I know other assistants didn't even bother to watch it it because of that same reason.
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Post by rhscoachbh on Jun 24, 2013 23:23:17 GMT -6
For those of you who only meet for a couple hours on Sunday, how do you guys get the scout cards and the scouting report done? Do you guys not do a scouting report with personnel sheet, D/D/H tendency, favorite formations w/plays? We will usually breakdown the last 3 or 4 games and any extra if they played a defense similar to ours and watch the rest together as a staff. When you add in the reports, cards, scouting report, game plan, and film watching I don't understand how you can be out of there in 4 hours. Then again maybe we're just terribly inefficient?!?!?! Also, do you guys not grade every play of the game film for your players? We give a player a +/- on every play and a percentage grade with a couple of notes on things that we will work on improving during the week. My wife would love the schedule some of you have in season, so I guess that goes a long way also.
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Post by husky44 on Jun 25, 2013 7:21:47 GMT -6
For those of you who only meet for a couple hours on Sunday, how do you guys get the scout cards and the scouting report done? Do you guys not do a scouting report with personnel sheet, D/D/H tendency, favorite formations w/plays? We will usually breakdown the last 3 or 4 games and any extra if they played a defense similar to ours and watch the rest together as a staff. When you add in the reports, cards, scouting report, game plan, and film watching I don't understand how you can be out of there in 4 hours. Then again maybe we're just terribly inefficient?!?!?! Also, do you guys not grade every play of the game film for your players? We give a player a +/- on every play and a percentage grade with a couple of notes on things that we will work on improving during the week. My wife would love the schedule some of you have in season, so I guess that goes a long way also. If you have HUDL it is pretty easy. Divide up responsibilities between staff members and the HC holds them accountable. We do not grade, we make comments on HUDL and watch with athletes Sat. morning. I get up early or stay late after the game to do this.
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Post by veerman on Jun 25, 2013 8:57:48 GMT -6
We have HUDL, and we break down different columns for different coaches. We don't meet on Saturday, we allow them to use that as family day. We will come in on Sunday and look at the summary and decide what to do. We will look at those plays, and decide how we want to counter it. Offensively we look at what they may be in. we are a SBV team so we prepare like normal and adjust with a few adjustments if needed. But even on Sunday we don't meet long. In the past it was always breaking down film and looking and sorting data that took forever. HUDL does that for us, so we don't spend near the hours as some.
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Post by rhscoachbh on Jun 25, 2013 9:19:58 GMT -6
For those of you who only meet for a couple hours on Sunday, how do you guys get the scout cards and the scouting report done? Do you guys not do a scouting report with personnel sheet, D/D/H tendency, favorite formations w/plays? We will usually breakdown the last 3 or 4 games and any extra if they played a defense similar to ours and watch the rest together as a staff. When you add in the reports, cards, scouting report, game plan, and film watching I don't understand how you can be out of there in 4 hours. Then again maybe we're just terribly inefficient?!?!?! Also, do you guys not grade every play of the game film for your players? We give a player a +/- on every play and a percentage grade with a couple of notes on things that we will work on improving during the week. My wife would love the schedule some of you have in season, so I guess that goes a long way also. If you have HUDL it is pretty easy. Divide up responsibilities between staff members and the HC holds them accountable. We do not grade, we make comments on HUDL and watch with athletes Sat. morning. I get up early or stay late after the game to do this. Makes sense. I guess most of the stuff we could do from home, and then maybe meet on Sunday for 6-8 hours for film review and practice/game plan. With 2 little ones under 4 in my house it's kind of nice to be at a quiet office to get stuff done. Too hard not to be dad for me when I'm home.
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Post by coachpsl on Jun 25, 2013 9:45:13 GMT -6
Learned a trick from the Hudl Up tour that will save us some time this year. You can now (maybe you could all along, IDK) tag the game via the iphone app as it is happening. Its very easy, just as the game is happening you are clicking pass/run/kick, result, yardline, etc. After the game you upload under the game and it should sync with your clips, granted that your video guy done ok. The app looks like the screen on ESPN that shows live game stats. Afterwards you should end up with all of your data minus formations and plays. IMO this can be accomplished via a manager/trustworthy kid/dad/whoever if you dont want a coach playing with his iphone all night on fridays.
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Post by husky44 on Jun 25, 2013 10:33:12 GMT -6
If you have HUDL it is pretty easy. Divide up responsibilities between staff members and the HC holds them accountable. We do not grade, we make comments on HUDL and watch with athletes Sat. morning. I get up early or stay late after the game to do this. Makes sense. I guess most of the stuff we could do from home, and then maybe meet on Sunday for 6-8 hours for film review and practice/game plan. With 2 little ones under 4 in my house it's kind of nice to be at a quiet office to get stuff done. Too hard not to be dad for me when I'm home. We don't meet as a staff on Sunday, I feel everyone needs a day away. I will call the guy who helps me offensively game plan and will talk to the DC who is planning with two other coaches to get his plan Sunday evening. We meet Monday morning before school as a staff to talk about the general game plan and practice plan for the week about an hour and half before school.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2013 15:13:14 GMT -6
Kids getting yelled at after a win or not getting yelled after a loss is always a wrong thing to do. Sometimes those approaches at those times is exactly what is needed. God Knows I have been a part of many talented teams that had inexplicable losses.
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Post by coachjm on Jun 25, 2013 16:58:42 GMT -6
We have no requirements of our kids on the weekend. In fact, we firmly believe the boys should have the weekend to go and be kids and enjoy themselves. I do like to do a community service project one Saturday morning during the course of the season though. Our Offensive Coordinator and I (HC) meet on Saturday morning whenever my kids and his kids are done playing sports for about two hours and my DC/Co DC and I meet on Sunday night for about two hours after our kids go to bed. Other then that we prep everyone up on Monday and hope they have a nice relaxing weekend. Our goal is our coaches and we feel we have a great staff enjoy coaching and it doesn't consume their life. We feel our teams are well prepared and our kids generally seem rested and ready for the weak each Monday. Everyday we do watch film with our kids for about 1/2 hour before practice starts.
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Post by mc140 on Jun 26, 2013 2:23:31 GMT -6
-Our kids don't come in on the weekends. Unless they get hurt, then they are supposed to come on Saturday to see the trainer. We leave the weight room open and film of previous game is usually sent by 1am after the game through Hudl. Some of these kids have there highlights up before daybreak on Saturday.
- We don't meet as a coaching staff either on any level. Coordinator/Head Coach put together game plans (our staffs are not very big either). Anything needs to be talked about is done through email or cell. Occasionally some coaches will meet to go over stuff, but not a lot.
- As for Hudl, defensively I send out 8-10 plays a team were playing will most likely run with some notes attached for my level. Varsity does the same.
- We keep things as simple as possible. The less they think, the faster they will play.
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Post by coachdawhip on Jul 1, 2013 20:43:55 GMT -6
No kids, though the QB can come watch on Sunday with us, only the QB's.
My DC meets on Sat.
With Hudl why do coaches have to meet again on Saturday I don't know, but hey. I will watch the games on my iPad make notes, text my DC and OC, WR coach (Though I am the OC, right now)
Sunday we go from 2pm until - offense is usually done by 8. Unless they change defenses in the off-season or they are running something crazy, Our offense is our offense, find key guys we can beat and attack there!
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Post by jpdaley25 on Jul 2, 2013 6:42:11 GMT -6
We don't bring kids in on the weekend. Coaches breakdown film on Saturday on their own. Meet Sunday at 2 to set game plan.
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Post by coachdawhip on Jul 4, 2013 18:43:43 GMT -6
For those of you who only meet for a couple hours on Sunday, how do you guys get the scout cards and the scouting report done? Do you guys not do a scouting report with personnel sheet, D/D/H tendency, favorite formations w/plays? We will usually breakdown the last 3 or 4 games and any extra if they played a defense similar to ours and watch the rest together as a staff. When you add in the reports, cards, scouting report, game plan, and film watching I don't understand how you can be out of there in 4 hours. Then again maybe we're just terribly inefficient?!?!?! Also, do you guys not grade every play of the game film for your players? We give a player a +/- on every play and a percentage grade with a couple of notes on things that we will work on improving during the week. My wife would love the schedule some of you have in season, so I guess that goes a long way also. 3-4 games? too much to me, we do 2 games. For us on offense, everyone has to grade their position by Sunday. We don't watch film from last Friday's game. If it was something I wanted to point out to my coaches, I have done that on Saturday, having an iPad makes it easier. For me to sit on the couch and watch Saturday morning cartoons with the 2-year old. We watch enough film to get the alignment of the other team on offense. How do they align to Trips, Pro, Doubles, etc.. Find the key players and we work on the 28 plays for the week. I write the script either that night or Monday, because the play sheet is settled on Sunday. The kids get a video scouting report by Tuesday. We don't need cards, we run BPU every week and those cards are done in the summer. And we roll.
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Post by coach2013 on Jul 5, 2013 2:25:10 GMT -6
We don't bring kids in on the weekend. Coaches breakdown film on Saturday on their own. Meet Sunday at 2 to set game plan. durning nfl games? cmon man!
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Post by lions23 on Jul 7, 2013 8:29:31 GMT -6
HUDL Guys See some of you have had problem with kids watching film. I have a question DO YOU MAKE IT INTERACTIVE WITH THEM? You can make clips and send it to your group. I did it with QBs last year. I would make 20 or so clips and put "What coverage is this? Why" "Who is # 3 ? WHat is his responsibility does he have".... Players within our group QB/WR respond and send the clips back to me. This is our interactive scouting report. Our DC does the same thing with his Linebackers - He does all check with me's on defense. So he will say "What is our check to this" Check to this.... The players answer and forward their answers/responses back to the DC. By Wednesday Hay is in the barn and Thursday we are walking thru. This interactive approach has helped us maximize our film sessions and get more productivity out of them. We use it like a classroom session - homework. Again we have done this now for two years so it is just apart of our culture. It is just what they do.... This has made a big difference for us. I have each of my position coaches highlight about 15 clips an leave comments. The DBs see what a difference landmarks make. The LBers see how important their keys are. I might prompt the clip with. "what is your key?" and then highlight the guard. He might pull one way while my LB chases a FB another way. I tell my coaches also to find clips of them doing it right and make a deal about that clip too. I don't need my DB s to watch ever single clip of fb dive. I don't need my d line to watch DBS stay on their landmarks and redirect to the ball. It's a time saver. It's effective and to the point and short enough to keep their attention. I wouldn't expect kids to keep focus in the classroom for two hours while we went over things that don't pertain to them.
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Post by davishfc on Jul 7, 2013 20:14:02 GMT -6
Our players do not come in on Saturday or Sunday. The trade off is a long Monday for them with film and practice. The only issue I have with this is keeping them late on a school night to start the week. Our program priorities are Character, Family, Academics, Football. I feel like a sacrifice would be made academically in order to keep them from coming in for any amount of time over the weekend. If the late Mondays did not take their toll early on, I would certainly see them becoming an challenge for the kids as the season wore on. You wouldn't notice it but I think their classroom teachers would with their attention and focus. Especially their first hour teachers. I like to get them out at a decent time on Monday to start the week. Opponent film, defensive and offensive walk through, some individual and out of there. We have longer days on Tuesday and Wednesday then a shorter pre-game on Thursday. Game on Friday. I like bringing them in from 9-Noon on Saturday for film. I think it also helps as a deterrent of Friday night post game activities which reinforces our Character priority. They know they have to be up early on Saturday so some, I'm sure not all, are in bed at a decent hour. Coaches meet at 5 on Sunday to go over the game plan for the upcoming week. Assistants are expected to have watched opponent exchange films on Hudl. Coordinators bring the breakdown and their game plan that is completely solidified before we leave. I can't lie, it was pretty late a couple nights before we got out of there. The latest was against the team that ended up being our conference champion. We lost by 6 so all the work wasn't for not.
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Post by davishfc on Jul 7, 2013 21:05:39 GMT -6
BURN HIM AT THE STAKE!!!!! BLASPHEMER!!!!! Lol, just kiding... Duece Tell me about it. When I tell some people that they look at me like I have a third eye or something. Don't get me wrong, it's a cool toy. But when you have a school provided budget of $3000, it seems wrong to spend half of it on a toy for me and the staff. Add in that no other team in our confererence has it and its a no brainer. Besides, I'm enough of a contrarian to just never get it because people tell me how much I need it. And this folks is what psychologists refer to as rationalization. The Silver Package is $800. It would me one of the most worthwhile investments you could make for your program. Look into it. No seriously...research its abilities. The implications it would have on your program including: allowing coaches and players to view film from anywhere with an internet connection, film breakdown, scout cards, team and player highlight films, films to prospective recruiters, etc. There is so much and they continue to add to it. The advantage Hudl presents in terms of software is year in and year out, assuming you make the investment on a yearly basis, you get the most up to date version of the software. It constantly updates. That's huge! Before when schools would purchase software, they would get the CD to install and that was it. It could be 5 years later and all sorts of new features are available on the newest version but it would cost an additional few thousand dollars to get the new version. If the teams in your league eventually get on board with it, film exchange is a possibility. But, basically, I would not make the mistake of rationalizing the fact that you do not have the program. The competitive advantage you would have over your competition cannot be measured. That's got to be enough, in my opinion, to make you want to do whatever you need to do to get it for your program.
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Post by davishfc on Jul 7, 2013 21:19:22 GMT -6
One thing to consider here to is that there may be some VALUE in longer days, group discussion, even if it has some wasted BS time. Some valuable nuggets may be in that grizzled vet's war story rambling. Some value may come from longer yet inefficient group breakdown sessions and game planning, as opposed to the "you guys go home, I will do this myself" scenarios I read about. Much like the thread on trying to eliminate drawing up scout cards, I do think there is a great deal of value and learning that can come from longer ...yet inefficent..weekend sessions. True. But not knowing how much time you'll inefficiently invest and what the return on that investment of time will be is difficult to justify to your family. When I was single and didn't have anyone at home waiting on me, he11 I'd be there all night through thick and thin of football conversations. I can't lie, I still do but not nearly as frequently as I used to. So I know where your coming from because I've been there and benefited. However, this is not a practice that any man who values his family would continue to have throughout his coaching career.
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Post by davishfc on Jul 7, 2013 22:16:58 GMT -6
Plus HUDL tracks time spent watching film, so you can see who your kids that are trying to prepare are very quickly. I'm not sure it's the most accurate assessment of who is trying to prepare and who is not. I know there are players who are looking at opponent film but I only know because they will verify by talking about their plays or players before we've watched opponent film as a team. From the vast majority of our kids that watch film on Hudl, I will also receive notifications that they've made a "premium highlight" of themselves. So while it may not be the thorough breakdown I am looking for as a coach, I still understand that they are getting on Hudl and watching and evaluating themselves. That's enough for me. I know there's worthwhile learning taking place even though they're making highlight films. In this case, it's not opponent film but we are still getting better. It goes back to what some coaches have said about focusing on ourselves and what we can do better.
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Post by davishfc on Jul 7, 2013 22:36:40 GMT -6
In an ideal world, and these programs do exist, I have a couple of buddies that work at programs such as this, you film practice. Last season I had the opportunity to visit these campuses to watch them practice. Practice was up tempo, fast paced and there was very little "on the field" coaching going on. The next day when I returned, my friend had me come early b/c he wanted me to see their film breakdown. Well, that's where the coaching came into play. There was coaching in INDY, but not during team whatsoever. The coaching came in pre-practice meetings the next day. This was where they were able to get mistakes ironed out BEFORE Friday night. Now I coach at a cellar-dweller in terms of money and budget, so getting practiced filmed is much akin to finding Jimmy Hoffa, as I'm sure is the case with many, but my point here is that film of yourself is an unbelievable teaching tool. I understand exactly what you mean here duece. This is certainly the most ideal situation in terms of film. We filmed our entire practice at college and would review segments of it each day. But like you said, I have trouble sometimes getting people to film my actual games let alone practice. So if you can't film practice to see those mistakes made and get them corrected, when and with what film would you do that with now? I believe whether we win or lose that there are mistakes made that must be corrected to ensure our best chance at wins in the future. So we watch our game film as team, over the weekend, for that reason. I'm teaching, yeah it's a whole team thing, which isn't the most ideal but what I also think it shows is that no part of the team is any more or less important than another. My assistants including my DC have jobs that require them to work over the weekend sometimes. So it's not a power trip on my part that I run it, it's definitely a consistency thing. I know as the HC that I am always going to be there and the kids know that, so I lead it for all positions/sides of the ball.
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Post by davishfc on Jul 8, 2013 9:50:36 GMT -6
We film everything. We film minicamps without pads... We are filming our 6 day camp this week as well. It is not that hard. Just have to commit to it. It is the reason why we win games. It is not talent. We are the only team in our area that films practice too. It is the reason you win games? Talent is not a factor?
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