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Post by catoc on Jan 5, 2010 20:28:56 GMT -6
You are right. Coack Rackley is awesome. Heard him speak at the coaches convention a few years ago. May be the best speach I have ever heard. Spoke about building and maintaining a program. Did not mention one thing about X's and O's. Great, great speaker.
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Post by htownoc on Jan 6, 2010 10:09:38 GMT -6
My all-time worst crew was the old Sunday night crew (Joe Theisman, Mike Patrick and Paul McGuire).
Mike Patrick was killing me during the Alamo Bowl- "Mike Leach punished Adam James for having a concussion." What an idiot.
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Post by Coach Bennett on Jan 6, 2010 11:36:30 GMT -6
How about Jimmie Johnson's Fed Ex laden breakdown of the national championship game last night during halftime?
"...And just like Fed Ex freight, Ingrahm will...and just like Fed Ex ground...etc."
Seems like a new low point in sponsorship and advertising.
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Post by davecisar on Jan 6, 2010 11:44:42 GMT -6
Last Night GT vs Iowa on comment on GTs rocket sweep: "All that is is an "I" formation toss sweep, as they motion the wing to take the pitch"
Jet sweep= end around or reverse, rocket sweep= toss sweep, no wonder there are so many parents and fans hassling coaches, the "experts" are feeding them rubbish.
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Post by phantom on Jan 6, 2010 11:51:19 GMT -6
Last Night GT vs Iowa on comment on GTs rocket sweep: "All that is is an "I" formation toss sweep, as they motion the wing to take the pitch" Jet sweep= end around or reverse, rocket sweep= toss sweep, no wonder there are so many parents and fans hassling coaches, the "experts" are feeding them rubbish. Well, what exactly is the difference between tossing a pitch to a stationary I back and motioning a wingback to an I position and tossing it to him?
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Post by Coach JR on Jan 6, 2010 13:28:38 GMT -6
Last Night GT vs Iowa on comment on GTs rocket sweep: "All that is is an "I" formation toss sweep, as they motion the wing to take the pitch" Jet sweep= end around or reverse, rocket sweep= toss sweep, no wonder there are so many parents and fans hassling coaches, the "experts" are feeding them rubbish. Well, what exactly is the difference between tossing a pitch to a stationary I back and motioning a wingback to an I position and tossing it to him? ;D
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Post by davecisar on Jan 6, 2010 14:36:52 GMT -6
Last Night GT vs Iowa on comment on GTs rocket sweep: "All that is is an "I" formation toss sweep, as they motion the wing to take the pitch" Jet sweep= end around or reverse, rocket sweep= toss sweep, no wonder there are so many parents and fans hassling coaches, the "experts" are feeding them rubbish. Well, what exactly is the difference between tossing a pitch to a stationary I back and motioning a wingback to an I position and tossing it to him? With Rocket the back is already in motion and near top speed- also the motion is something that can change the defenses responsibilities pre-snap as well as often gets the attention of defenders. Much different than tossing it to an I Back from stationary no motion, just getting a head of steam. I dont think anyone considers a jet sweep the same as just a handoff sweep to an "I" back that is stationary either- same comparison. Obviously the Rocket and Jet get to the edge faster, if there was no difference betwen the 2 there would be no reason ever to use anything other than a simple toss sweep.
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Post by struceri on Jan 6, 2010 14:58:18 GMT -6
did anyone catch when GT picked off the pass for a TD that the guy from fox said the DB was "clueing" the WR. I have never heard that term before and thought the guy was full of Sugar Honey Ice Tea!
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Post by Coach JR on Jan 6, 2010 15:32:58 GMT -6
did anyone catch when GT picked off the pass for a TD that the guy from fox said the DB was "clueing" the WR. I have never heard that term before and thought the guy was full of Sugar Honey Ice Tea! Was the DB looking at him like this?:
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Post by phantom on Jan 6, 2010 18:19:13 GMT -6
Well, what exactly is the difference between tossing a pitch to a stationary I back and motioning a wingback to an I position and tossing it to him? With Rocket the back is already in motion and near top speed- also the motion is something that can change the defenses responsibilities pre-snap as well as often gets the attention of defenders. Much different than tossing it to an I Back from stationary no motion, just getting a head of steam. I dont think anyone considers a jet sweep the same as just a handoff sweep to an "I" back that is stationary either- same comparison. Obviously the Rocket and Jet get to the edge faster, if there was no difference betwen the 2 there would be no reason ever to use anything other than a simple toss sweep. Sure there would if you weren't an I formation team but you wanted to run a sweep. Looking at the play from a defensive perspective I really don't see much of a difference between orbit and toss. The motion shouldn't cause serious problems. We've scouted and know it's coming so we should have an adjustment in place to allow for a quick force.
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Post by coachinghopeful on Jan 6, 2010 19:44:29 GMT -6
Some gems from Rod Gilmore--the "analyst" in the first half of the GMAC Bowl. I wonder if he even watches football...
1. Alabama is so worried about Colt McCoy as Texas' "featured runner" that they'll play 8 in the box and man coverage (Cov. 0 as he drew it up against 11 personnel) against Texas' spread sets. Alabama has to do this because "if they play Texas with only 7 in the box, Texas has 7 guys to block (he counted off the 5 OL, TE, RB) and that makes it easy for McCoy to run on them."
2. On a play where Troy ran a "Wildcat" QB iso with an H-back lead blocking on it. "That's the problem with the spread offense and these one back sets. You just don't have a big thumper of a fullback in there to block for you in short yardage."
3. Immediately after the play by play guy mentioned that Troy's S, who just got beat on a post in Cov. 0, was a recently converted CB. "Whenever you see a team in that spread formation, always look at the 3 receiver side. Like on this play. That matches up your 3rd receiver with the safety and the big plays are going to come against the safeties. Safeties just don't cover like cornerbacks."
It's funny that this thread had me paying as much attention the lame announcers as the game. But then, the first half was pretty boring.
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Post by hoosier on Jan 6, 2010 22:12:50 GMT -6
Anyone else hate these huge crews and laughfests that count for pre-game shows? agreed. what gets me is how many hall of fame coaches and players they have on the shows and its like they dont even watch the damn games. maybe all they see week to week is highlights? i mean Cowher, Marino, Steve Young. i think i would love to sit down and pick these guys' brains about football but if they're anything like they are on tv all the time, it seems like id be teaching them things about the game.
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Post by rip60zgo on Jan 6, 2010 23:34:36 GMT -6
Well, I actually managed to read all 4 pages of this thread. And while I will credit these guys for the difficulty of cogent analysis in a 30 second window, I have to say that they are riddled with cliches and preconceptions. The one that has really jumped out at me this bowl season, and that seems to be one of the new buzzwords, is anytime there is a sack, even if it is a 3-man rush, the DC "dialed up some pressure". I will admit that this one has me ready to kick in the flat screen. Listen for it, they are all saying it. DCs, don't worry about fundamentally sound defense, just dial it up and GATA!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2010 7:01:12 GMT -6
coachinghopeful, I'm sure you caught this, but Gilmore's analysis on the Texas run game was followed up by this tidbit from his partner: "Having McCoy is like having a permanent Wildcat!"
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Post by coachk13 on Jan 7, 2010 13:09:55 GMT -6
Craig James announcing: (a) Use Mute Button (b) Change Channels Craig James breathing: (a) Use choke button (b) lock him in an electrical closet
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Post by coachinghopeful on Jan 7, 2010 15:41:27 GMT -6
coachinghopeful, I'm sure you caught this, but Gilmore's analysis on the Texas run game was followed up by this tidbit from his partner: "Having McCoy is like having a permanent Wildcat!" Yes! I forgot about that line somehow! I think that Gilmore had left me so stupified that one slipped by me! I wonder if this "Wildcat" nonsense the announcers have latched onto will ever vanish or if it's here to stay everytime a non-QB takes a snap. I guess it is better than referring to the player doing it as "Slash."
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Post by gdn56 on Jan 7, 2010 16:32:32 GMT -6
The announcing at the GA tech and Iowa game was absolutely brutal!!! Some of the worst I have heard.
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Post by utchuckd on Jan 7, 2010 17:18:09 GMT -6
Anyone else hate these huge crews and laughfests that count for pre-game shows? agreed. what gets me is how many hall of fame coaches and players they have on the shows and its like they dont even watch the {censored} games. maybe all they see week to week is highlights? i mean Cowher, Marino, Steve Young. i think i would love to sit down and pick these guys' brains about football but if they're anything like they are on tv all the time, it seems like id be teaching them things about the game. Any chance the producers are telling these guys to keep it vanilla and just keep the show moving along so they won't get 'technical' and lose Joe Fanboy?
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Post by groundchuck on Jan 7, 2010 19:43:37 GMT -6
You are right. Coack Rackley is awesome. Heard him speak at the coaches convention a few years ago. May be the best speach I have ever heard. Spoke about building and maintaining a program. Did not mention one thing about X's and O's. Great, great speaker. Echo that. He spoke at our Association clinic last year and I talked with him after one of his lectures about character. -------------- Why does Brent Musberger do the big games on ABC? Why? He just referred to the fake punt by Alabama as a "Belicheck move."
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Post by endersgame on Jan 7, 2010 20:34:55 GMT -6
Why does Brent Musberger do the big games on ABC? Why? He just referred to the fake punt by Alabama as a "Belicheck move." I heard that too, I was like, "WTF?" I'm a little more tolerant of announcers doing championship and other "big" games though, because they tend to focus on the aura of the game and its traditions rather than opine on the actual game being played out.
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Post by coachinghopeful on Jan 7, 2010 22:13:42 GMT -6
Musberger's got a great voice for it and he's been there forever. After Keith Jackson retired, Musburger got promoted to the A team of announcers for ABC. Unfortunately he has no clue about any sport and never met a cliche he didn't like...
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catoc
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Post by catoc on Jan 7, 2010 22:39:41 GMT -6
Did you catch how mad Lee Corso was at halftime? He let some cuss words slip bye was pissed at the shovel pass.
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Post by gdn56 on Jan 7, 2010 23:25:13 GMT -6
How bout Herbstreit tonite saying, "After realizing Alabama had no receivers open, the Texas defender decided to rush the QB"....REALLY? Wow!!!
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Post by struceri on Jan 7, 2010 23:37:31 GMT -6
they should have Sean McDonough(little bald headed guy on ESPN) do play by play. He really gets into the game and isn't afraid to voice his opinion. Musberger is terrible!
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Post by gdn56 on Jan 7, 2010 23:55:20 GMT -6
Also Herbie called the freshman QB from Texas "Gilbert Brown" at one point!!! HA HA
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Post by davecisar on Jan 8, 2010 7:43:35 GMT -6
Well at least Herbie did a nice job of describing what a chop block really is. Maybe one dad out there now knows what it is and will stop yelling at the refs for "chop block" penalties on simple between the tackles cut blocks like I have heard many times.
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Post by td4tc on Jan 8, 2010 8:13:25 GMT -6
You are right. Coack Rackley is awesome. Heard him speak at the coaches convention a few years ago. May be the best speach I have ever heard. Spoke about building and maintaining a program. Did not mention one thing about X's and O's. Great, great speaker. nice to hear that coach Rackley is a cool guy. that halfime speech(www.glumbert.com/medai/scarycoach/) is still one of the funniest things i've ever seen and anytime i need a laugh i dial it up.i owe him for that.i can imagine he'd be a great speaker.he's so fired up he scares the crap out of the poor chick interviewing him
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2010 9:07:11 GMT -6
We have a snow day today, so I'm watching First Take on ESPN. Rob Parker just said the Alabama offense wasn't really trying in the 3rd quarter and that's why the Texas D was able to keep them in the game.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 8, 2010 9:16:16 GMT -6
Again, I don't see why everyone gets their panties in a wad. Like i said, I am quite certain that the physics community is mocking the scientists on a NOVA program who are explaining fission to coachd5085. Why do we expect sports announcers to squeeze in the depth and breadth of our game into 20 second intervals?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2010 9:37:51 GMT -6
Can't answer for all who posted in this thread, obviously, but it doesn't bother me at all. In fact, I think BY FAR THE MAJORITY of game announcers do do a good job. I just find some of the commentary funny and it gives me something to talk about.
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