lgoody
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Post by lgoody on Jan 2, 2010 22:26:46 GMT -6
The announcing of this bowl game is also pretty pathetic. Especially in regards to the constant assault on Leach. Freakin' Mike Patrick.
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Post by phantom on Jan 2, 2010 22:40:24 GMT -6
The announcing of this bowl game is also pretty pathetic. Especially in regards to the constant assault on Leach. Freakin' Mike Patrick. I completely agree.
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Post by coachweav88 on Jan 2, 2010 23:06:22 GMT -6
Portraying Adam and Craig James as "Courageous"? Give me a break
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Post by coachorr on Jan 2, 2010 23:16:44 GMT -6
The announcing of this bowl game is also pretty pathetic. Especially in regards to the constant assault on Leach. Freakin' Mike Patrick. Amen. At least they played Leach's clip, where he points out matter-of-factly one possible motivation for TT wanting to let him go... money.
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Post by coachinghopeful on Jan 3, 2010 3:22:18 GMT -6
When I watch SNF sometimes I just wanna jump through the television and beat the {censored} outta Cris Collinsworth and his whole family! Argh! It's the pretenious voice and that constant, stupid grin that he does to make people think he knows football. *smashes head against keyboard* Collinsworth is easily the most annoying announcer I've seen this side of Musburger. Especially when he STILL talks about how "the Wildcat" is just a gimmick that's not real football. Just that smug air of superiority about him makes me want to punch him in the face. Speaking of Musburger, does anyone remember years ago when Jason White came off the bench for Oklahoma as a soph. and Musburger kept referring to him as "the runner?" As if all he did was scramble like Michael Vick and nothing else. It always kills me when sportswriters hold up Ron Jaworski as the ultimate football expert on TV. We shouldn't be too hard on the studio pieces, though. In-game commentary is hard and usually fairly genuine, but the studio stuff is usually prepared by producers with a "point/counterpoint" thing in mind. One person is asked to stake out a position and defend it, even if it's not what he actually believes. Producers put a lot of stuff into the broadcast to try to liven it up.
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Post by coachorr on Jan 3, 2010 4:16:52 GMT -6
DCOhio, don't even remind me of Cornheiser. He is the ultimate fan-speak idiot; especially given his show PTI.
Not a football guy, but one of the best in studio and live broadcast guys in any sports hands down has got to be Jay Billas the college basketball guy. He is always well studied.
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Post by brophy on Jan 3, 2010 11:28:24 GMT -6
Anyone catch the ESPN rub by Jimmy Johnson (FOX) during the 12/3 pregame NFL analysis? By chance I caught this (rarely get to watch NFL, let alone pregame), after the usual horseplay nonsense by the crew, Johnson quiped, "I want to talk football!....because AS A DAD.....and, um, I've got SONS who watch football, and uh...." (Mocking Craig James' invocation of same qualifier the other night) The rest of the crew knew exactly what he was talking about and let out the 'OOOOO's in stunned disbelief.
That's got to be one of the funniest things I've heard all year.
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Post by superpower on Jan 3, 2010 12:40:21 GMT -6
Anyone catch the ESPN rub by Jimmy Johnson (FOX) during the 12/3 pregame NFL analysis? By chance I caught this (rarely get to watch NFL, let alone pregame), after the usual horseplay nonsense by the crew, Johnson quiped, " I want to talk football!....because AS A DAD.....and, um, I've got SONS who watch football, and uh...."(Mocking Craig James' invocation of same qualifier the other night) The rest of the crew knew exactly what he was talking about and let out the 'OOOOO's in stunned disbelief. That's got to be one of the funniest things I've heard all year. Earlier this week I heard Chris Mortenson say that his son, who did play college football, wouldn't have allowed Mort anywhere near the coach and would have dealt with it on his own.
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catoc
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Post by catoc on Jan 3, 2010 16:46:42 GMT -6
Yea. Johnson was funny. Of course I bet nobody at ESPN pregame show did anything like that. Powers that be are protecting James. I think it has been very one sided reporting on espn's part. I can't stand Lou Holtz except when he is arguing with Mark May. Boy was Moose Johnson good yesterday covering up for Pat Somerall, who I like by the way. Just past his prime. Like the last few games Kieth Jackson did.
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Post by bluedevil4 on Jan 3, 2010 17:05:54 GMT -6
BRING BACK KEITH JACKSON!!!
Seriously, Musburgur needs to go. Not only am I sick of how dumb these guys are, but they always have to pick certain players and go on and on about their life stories, and how they almost did this and that all game. They don't even talk about the game anymore, they're just trying to create drama. I'm sure they are told to do that in the scripts they are given.
If you watch and listen, everything they do is scripted. You can see them reading off cards, and when they're inside, they put coats and hats on like they're freezing. They may open a window for a few seconds, but once the camara goes back to the game, they close the window and they take their coats off. You see mistakes in this all the time. I saw a game where Gruden was wearing a trench coat and gloves, while Mike Tirico was in just a shirt and tie. I've also realized putting coaches in the booth is no better, Brian Billick is an absolute joke as an announcer!
Once again...BRING BACK KEITH JACKSON!!!
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Post by endersgame on Jan 3, 2010 17:19:49 GMT -6
Anyone else hate these huge crews and laughfests that count for pre-game shows?
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Post by td4tc on Jan 3, 2010 17:31:49 GMT -6
how about the sideline chicks interviewing coaches?? here's one of the funniest ones i've ever seen.if you don't laugh out loud check your pulse.this girl deserves a medal though. www.glumbert.com/media/scarycoach
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Post by spreadattack on Jan 3, 2010 18:29:46 GMT -6
The pregame shows are the worst. It's like it's a game: How can we crowd five to seven unlikeable people onto one set and let them just talk about nothing and laugh for two hours. It's unbearable.
And the Holtz/Mark May stuff is just as bad. I mean it's not even worth listening to because they're not paid for analysis, they're paid to "take positions." Sure, Mark May is ridiculous when he says Nebraska's defensive turnaround was purely because of Suh. But it lets him have a pre-set argument with Holtz and they go back and forth. It's not good TV to most if the show just involves two people each stating their reasonable opinions. (You can often catch May smirking or looking away. I don't think he's very bright but I think he knows that a lot of what he says is just made up and ridiculous for the camera.)
In terms of announcers themselves the big stuff has been covered. It's a tough job but some are much better than others. Mike Patrick the other night, who I usually don't mind, was awful. I don't need a football genius to be on there, but neither do I need the second coming of Mark Twain full of quips and jokes.
I also second phantom's thing about the rules. To me, analysis is important but secondary to explaining what is going on in the game. It kills me to watch a game in the waning minutes and have no idea how many timeouts either team has. Same with the basic rules, same with other basics about understanding the game. This need to focus on the simple also undermines the second guessing: I don't mind announcers giving their opinion, but I dislike how quick they are to just declare something a bad idea or a stupid move. In most circumstances it's difficult to know everything that went into a decision.
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Post by wingt74 on Jan 3, 2010 20:30:05 GMT -6
Monday night football is a joke...Kornheiser is gone, but the three goofs they have up there, all they do is fawn over every single player as if they are first ballot hall of famers.
Collingsworth and Michaels are ok, at least they don't yell into the mic.
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Post by xcoachx on Jan 3, 2010 21:01:57 GMT -6
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coachbigelow
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Post by coachbigelow on Jan 3, 2010 23:23:25 GMT -6
From tonight: "I think Marvin Lewis is getting mad." What was your first clue? His scowl on his face or the fact he was yelling in his headset and at the players on the field. Can I now get paid hundreds of thousands of dollars since I noticed that?
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Post by dubber on Jan 4, 2010 13:06:54 GMT -6
In general, ex-coaches offer far better insight to the game than ex-players.
jmo.
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Post by coachks on Jan 4, 2010 13:18:39 GMT -6
how about the sideline chicks interviewing coaches?? here's one of the funniest ones i've ever seen.if you don't laugh out loud check your pulse.this girl deserves a medal though. www.glumbert.com/media/scarycoachMy favorite half-time interview was Lloyd Carr. He clearly had a distaste for the media. One memorable one: Henne went down with an injury in the first quarter, during the half-time interview he reporter asked if he knows what the injury is "Yes." and walks away. No explanation, no detail, just a "Yes, I know what it is". Outstanding.
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Post by morris on Jan 4, 2010 14:02:08 GMT -6
I like Gruden. He is the same on MNF as he was when he was miced up for games/practice. I honeslty just tune them out most of the time. One thing that got me during the TT game one of the guys kept using the same combination of words before TT would snap the ball. It was something like "TT is back in the shotgun"..Well that is something to write home about. Past I think one play that was PAP off of fly/dive they were never undercenter.
The one thing that gets me more than anything though is the whole wildcat/wild(insert cleaver noun) crap. I would rather have my eyes plucked out and my ears plugged then to hear that crap over an dover.
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Post by atalbert on Jan 4, 2010 17:01:39 GMT -6
I do think we need an all-Erin Andrews channel all the time though. I'll be the first subscriber. But here's how it would have to work...its a package deal that always has 3 cameras on her (front, back and side) that you can toggle between (to get the best angle on her) WHILE watching the game... like a picture-in-picture deal. You could also toggle from 1/4 screen to full screen with all 3 cameras during TOs and between plays... name your price if you can make this come true.
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Post by outlawjoseywales on Jan 4, 2010 17:09:08 GMT -6
The clip that td4tc posted is great.
It reminds me of a classic. "Bear" Bryant was interviewed at halftime of his last Iron Bowl game (that's the Auburn-Alabama game if you don't know). I've watched that game a number of times, it was 1982, Coach Dye's 2nd year and Bo Jackson was a back in Auburn's Wishbone.
The female sideline grabbed Coach Bryant as he was going in at the half and asked him why did he change his QB? Coach Bryant in his normal wonderful gruff voice yelled at her, "Because I'm trying to win the game," and stomped off.
She was stunned and stammered a sentence or two more. Maybe the first use of famale sideline reporters. Not a good way to start, he didn't have time for that foolishness.
OJW
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Post by Coach JR on Jan 5, 2010 9:00:39 GMT -6
I think some of you guys take this way too seriously. First, as has been mentioned, doing play-by-play is hard. More importantly, the announcers aren't talking to us. They're talking to the vast majority of fans, who have a fair to nonexistent knowledge of the game and don't really want more. They just like watching football and are not there to see a clinic. The announcers call Jet "End Around"? Hell, we can't even decide here whether it's Jet or Fly. What does the average viewer care? Bob Davie calls a play QB Duck? I've never heard the term before but he WAS talking about when he was DC at Notre Dame so he got the term from someplace. I have my gripes with announcers. I HATE it when they get the rules wrong. My pet peeve is when they gloss over a ST play to go into a commercial. It would make some mom and dad's day to hear their walk-on son's name on TV after a punt-coverage tackle. Overall, though, the announcers don't bother me. Not that it really matters, as what you say is spot on... Still, in the end, what happens is the "average fan" hears this "expert analysis" and takes it as gospel and now thinks they know everything their is to know about football, AND that is what prompts all the fan talk about how stupid "Coach X" is, and how he screws up, etc, and how he ought to be doing this, that, or the other, or the big pet peeve of mine "making halftime adjustments" as if they're supposed to install a new offense or defense in 15 minutes to counter what they saw from the opponent in the first half. As for guys like Palmer...you have to know that he may not have even been an expert on the offenses HE ran as a player, and was only exposed to a small % of "coach speak" or "lingo" in his playing days, and in reality, may know less than the "average fan" of a particular team about that team's schemes. His advantage may be in being able to have access to all 22 tape, and knowing about how to break it down, but still may not have the ability to really know what he's seeing. It's been several years now of "wilcat" stuff, and the "experts" are just now starting to see it for what it is rather than some ingenious new fangled football scheme. BTW, I get all bent out of shape when every time a QB runs up the middle on a designed QB run they call it a "QB draw". A few weeks ago Tuberville was on a local radio sports talk show, and said that Alabama doesn't run "the power" like they did last year, and that they run more zone and called it more "finesse" running because the back "makes the line right with his reads"...all fans heard was him saying Bama didn't have a power running game because he was correctly saying they ran Zone rather than the Power O or Power G (simply due to personnel)...yet none of them know one from the other and became offended that he was saying Bama couldn't run with "power".
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Post by phantom on Jan 5, 2010 9:52:35 GMT -6
I think some of you guys take this way too seriously. First, as has been mentioned, doing play-by-play is hard. More importantly, the announcers aren't talking to us. They're talking to the vast majority of fans, who have a fair to nonexistent knowledge of the game and don't really want more. They just like watching football and are not there to see a clinic. The announcers call Jet "End Around"? Hell, we can't even decide here whether it's Jet or Fly. What does the average viewer care? Bob Davie calls a play QB Duck? I've never heard the term before but he WAS talking about when he was DC at Notre Dame so he got the term from someplace. I have my gripes with announcers. I HATE it when they get the rules wrong. My pet peeve is when they gloss over a ST play to go into a commercial. It would make some mom and dad's day to hear their walk-on son's name on TV after a punt-coverage tackle. Overall, though, the announcers don't bother me. Not that it really matters, as what you say is spot on... Still, in the end, what happens is the "average fan" hears this "expert analysis" and takes it as gospel and now thinks they know everything their is to know about football, AND that is what prompts all the fan talk about how stupid "Coach X" is, and how he screws up, etc, and how he ought to be doing this, that, or the other, or the big pet peeve of mine "making halftime adjustments" as if they're supposed to install a new offense or defense in 15 minutes to counter what they saw from the opponent in the first half. As for guys like Palmer...you have to know that he may not have even been an expert on the offenses HE ran as a player, and was only exposed to a small % of "coach speak" or "lingo" in his playing days, and in reality, may know less than the "average fan" of a particular team about that team's schemes. His advantage may be in being able to have access to all 22 tape, and knowing about how to break it down, but still may not have the ability to really know what he's seeing. It's been several years now of "wilcat" stuff, and the "experts" are just now starting to see it for what it is rather than some ingenious new fangled football scheme. BTW, I get all bent out of shape when every time a QB runs up the middle on a designed QB run they call it a "QB draw". A few weeks ago Tuberville was on a local radio sports talk show, and said that Alabama doesn't run "the power" like they did last year, and that they run more zone and called it more "finesse" running because the back "makes the line right with his reads"...all fans heard was him saying Bama didn't have a power running game because he was correctly saying they ran Zone rather than the Power O or Power G (simply due to personnel)...yet none of them know one from the other and became offended that he was saying Bama couldn't run with "power". Sure, I get that. It's frustrating getting second-guessed by people who don't know what they're talking about. I don't blame the announcers, though. It's a fan's perogative. I do it when I'm watching games and I know I'm not alone because I see the posts on this board during and after pro and college games. Getting second-guessed is part of the price that we play for the popularity of our game. I used to play rugby and occasionally go to a game. I hear very little second-guessing. That's because the fans are all players, ex-players, and family members and are generally very knowledgable about the game. Trouble is, there are only about twelve people there. Don't like being second-guessed? Go coach intramurals, brother.
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Post by Coach JR on Jan 5, 2010 10:31:09 GMT -6
Also, it was pretty funny the other night...Bob Davie was commenting on Tx. Tech's offense, and correctly stating something to the effect of "they do what they do, and you know what you're going to get with Leach's offense...lots of screens, the big line splits, OL always in a 2 point stance..." and the very next play was a goalline play (or inside the 5 anyway) in which the TT OL all put their hands on the ground, and they ran the ball in for a score. LOL, even when they're getting it right, they get it wrong. I'm sure that's not the first time TT has had their OL put their hands on the ground, but it's the first time I've ever seen it.
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byuwolverine
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Post by byuwolverine on Jan 5, 2010 16:15:56 GMT -6
I would like to invite all of you to come out to Detroit and listen to drive-time (3:00-6:00) sports talk radio out here during football season. We have a guy who has 90% of Metro Detroit convinced that he is some type of football wizard because he knows all of the players' names in the NFL and is a Fantasy Football guru. A couple of years ago he would openly campaign for Matt Millen's job as GM of the Lions, the sad thing is that I think he was serious. Anyhow, it drives me batty listening to the guy and it's only made worse by the people who call in and say things like "you're the man, I don't know football like you do..." Last year around NFL Draft time he would say things like "This player (D-Lineman) can't play in a 3-4 because he's not a 3 Technique". Like a monkey with a gun he knows just enough to be dangerous. 1 That guy is ridiculous, and people did call in and say he would make the lions a winner. He was ripping Michigan State's defensive coordinator (Pat Narduzzi) about their scheme against Texas Tech in the bowl game the other day. To listen to him try to explain why quarters coverage is not a sound coverage was funny.
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byuwolverine
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Post by byuwolverine on Jan 5, 2010 16:18:27 GMT -6
Brent Musberger - is it just me or when the offense is running a Pro I set (2b 2wr 1 te) he will still refer to it as the "Power" I?
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Post by endersgame on Jan 5, 2010 16:32:06 GMT -6
Fans criticizing coaches reminds me of patients unfairly criticizing doctors.
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Post by mitch on Jan 5, 2010 19:41:31 GMT -6
Brent Musberger - is it just me or when the offense is running a Pro I set (2b 2wr 1 te) he will still refer to it as the "Power" I? 'Big Game Brent' sucks balls. He is freakin terrible!!! Biggest Texas homer ever(and I don't even know where he's from), I'm pretty sure he wants to do immoral things with Mack Brown and Colt McCoy. I'm an OU fan, btw. ;D ;D
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Post by mitch on Jan 5, 2010 19:43:30 GMT -6
how about the sideline chicks interviewing coaches?? here's one of the funniest ones i've ever seen.if you don't laugh out loud check your pulse.this girl deserves a medal though. www.glumbert.com/media/scarycoachThat's Jim Rackley from Converse Judson, Texas (San Antonio). He will have you in tears after listening to him speak. Every coach should have the opportunity to hear him at least once.
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Post by davecisar on Jan 5, 2010 20:02:47 GMT -6
how about the sideline chicks interviewing coaches?? here's one of the funniest ones i've ever seen.if you don't laugh out loud check your pulse.this girl deserves a medal though. www.glumbert.com/media/scarycoachThat's Jim Rackley from Converse Judson, Texas (San Antonio). He will have you in tears after listening to him speak. Every coach should have the opportunity to hear him at least once. I interviewed Coach Rackley last year, great guy.
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