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Post by larrymoe on Jan 1, 2010 12:57:06 GMT -6
Watching the Northwestern/Auburn game I think Spielman and Griese are going to punch each other.
Spot on analysis phantom.
Mark May is terribly bad.
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Post by catoc on Jan 1, 2010 13:03:42 GMT -6
I can't stand Lou Holtz. But I swear he was about to slap Mark May the other night when they were discussing Leech. It was great. I'll say this for Holtz, he backs coaches almost blindly.
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Post by wingtol on Jan 1, 2010 13:13:07 GMT -6
Well said phantom, I once had someone who worked in TV tell me the average TV series is written on about a 7-8 grade intelligence level. So take the announcers for what it's worth.
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Post by gdn56 on Jan 1, 2010 14:25:11 GMT -6
ur right catoc...Holtz is all about some coaching! The other night when he and May were talking about Suh...I really thought they were gonna come to blows when Holtz was saying Suh had improved because of the coaching of the Pellinis and May said it was raw talent....it is very embarassing for ESPN but I guess that network really has no regard for its on image in the community of people who actually know what is going on in a football game.
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Post by blb on Jan 1, 2010 15:09:59 GMT -6
I love Spielman's intensity, emotion, and honesty. He describes the game in a fundamental way (player's viewpoint) that puts you on the field.
Holtz and May provide good counter-points in terms of age and ex-coach vs. ex-player. If they were similar in backgrounds and experience so that they agreed more often, they'd be pretty boring to watch.
I do think we need an all-Erin Andrews channel all the time though.
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Post by davecisar on Jan 1, 2010 15:51:51 GMT -6
May has no regard for coaching Holtz was commenting on what a great turnaround the Pelinis had done on defense. May Said NU went from 115th in the nation to now #1 in scoring defense because of "the talent". SO Suh was starting on the 115th rated team and the defensive MVP was a kid who was a local walk on Matt OHanlon, stuck on the scout team, wasnt even Honorable mention coming out of High School. Naw Im sure he never developed as a player through good coaching, he got it all on his own and from watching TV. maybe playing Madden. Matt Ohanlon during interview after being told he was the defensive MVP " I just want to thank the coaches for coming in and developing our team and players to our full potential and for giving me an honest chance to compete for playing time" The players said the Pelinis went to ground zero and what they do from a technique standpoint is light years different from what they were doing 2 years ago, same for practice priorities etc I guess Mark May thinks you can have a bunch of Pop Warner guys coaching the College game. My guess is they would do it for 5-10% of what the guys coaching now get, why not just cut costs? Saban, Meyers, Pelini, all their success it due to luck and recruiting, never mind Pelinis recruting classes havent been ranked in anyones top 20. Developing players and schemes mean nothing. I dislike hearing him bicker with Holtz just because he wants to disagree with Holtz. If you dont think Pelini did things completely different than his predecessors, this is what he said when he came in: www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/big12/2008-08-03-nebraska-pelini_N.htm
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 1, 2010 16:02:46 GMT -6
I think some of you guys take this way too seriously. First, as has been mentioned, doing play-by-play is hard. More importantly, the announcers aren't talking to us. They're talking to the vast majority of fans, who have a fair to nonexistent knowledge of the game and don't really want more. They just like watching football and are not there to see a clinic. The announcers call Jet "End Around"? Hell, we can't even decide here whether it's Jet or Fly. What does the average viewer care? Excellent points. I am pretty sure that when I watch a NOVA special on subatomic physics that the Yale graduate physics program is sitting at home saying "Oh gawd..you don't know anything. This Host is stupid. I hate this....." while watching the same program. And YES, terminology is irrelevant. We argue here about if someting is a 3-3, a 3-5, a 4i a 4 blah blah... so don't sweat the end around.
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Post by mariner42 on Jan 1, 2010 16:21:02 GMT -6
I do think we need an all-Erin Andrews channel all the time though. Someone tried that, to mixed results. ;D
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Post by npchamps on Jan 1, 2010 16:59:25 GMT -6
I Can't stand to listen to bret musburger.
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Post by hoosier on Jan 1, 2010 18:06:35 GMT -6
I know we're all experiencing college bowl fever right now but I like listening to Chuckie A/K/A John Gruden on MNF. Creditable and doesn't throw players or coaches under the bus like many of the derelicts that have been mentioned on this thread, so far. He's current in his knowledge and could outcoach most of what he sees on the field yet he doesn't take shots. He could be this generation's John Madden. quoted for truth. Gruden is my favorite Xs and Os announcer. if he were paored with Al Michales or Pat Summeral that would be my MNF dream team ive only seen Rich Gannon do about 3 games but hes also very good in the booth. honest as well, saying during one of the Buccs games "we were at the Buccs practice yesterday and it was the worst practice ive seen all year". it was kind of funny to hear on tv because i also had the privilege to be at that same practice.
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Post by coachinghopeful on Jan 1, 2010 18:09:02 GMT -6
The one guy I do really really like to listen to is Chris Spielman. He picks out things that no one else can see, and the best part is he is totally frickin crazy. did you hear the game last weekend with Bob Griese arguing running Digs all night and Chris Spieleman ready to punch him by countering with dropping his linebackers 20 yds downfield? It got pretty bad If they can not talk too much, give pertinent updates, and just not say too many stupid things. Apparently, the latter can be a difficult proposition I like that Todd Blackledge group Need more Erin Andrews and Lisa Salters Spielman is one of my favorite players of all time, but as an announcer he always turns everything into a pi$$ing contest. It gets old quick. Joe Theisman and how he turns everything into a "back in my day" story gets annoying too. Especially when his deepest insight is "_______ is a really great guy." Herbstreet is good. Dan Dierdorf is when he's not stating the obvious. Gary Danielson can be when he's not openly indulging a man crush on a player or coach (hearing him call a Florida game over the past 3 years was torture!). I used to like Matt Millen back before he left to take over as Lions GM. He was on his way to becoming the heir to John Madden. After hearing him call the Chik Fil A Bowl last night, though, maybe my memory was failing. As for Musburger, here are the late, great Dr. Hunter S. Thompson's thoughts on him: proxy.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?id=988351
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Post by kylem56 on Jan 1, 2010 18:22:55 GMT -6
I agree with hoosier, Jon Gruden is only announcer I can listen to without wanting to hit the mute button on the remote. For some crazy reason I like Lou Holtz too. Maybe its because he reminds me of one of those crazy old senile grandpa's . It cracks me up when he goes off on rants and slips a few curse words.
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Post by superpower on Jan 1, 2010 20:59:20 GMT -6
Not directed at any commentators specifically, but what is with the trend for all of them to say "stick his foot in the ground"? What was wrong with "plant" or "cut"?
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Post by rlhair on Jan 1, 2010 21:17:57 GMT -6
Curt Gowdy, Al Michaels, Dick Enberg and Keith Jackson are my all time favorite play by play. Gruden has done an excellent job. I am not thrilled with Jaworski or Terico. But MFN is better without Kornheiser. I like Blackledge and Danielson. I think Billick sucks. When Miller was on MNF I would turn of the sound and announce the game myself.
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Post by coachbdud on Jan 1, 2010 21:31:01 GMT -6
are you guys forgetting Dennis Miller was an announcer on MNF at one point... That was an awful time in NFL history
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Post by gdn56 on Jan 1, 2010 21:36:21 GMT -6
I really do wish we could have just cloned Keith Jackson so he could do every game
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Post by utchuckd on Jan 1, 2010 21:44:32 GMT -6
I guess my biggest complaint is when somebody, oh, say for example, Thom Brenneman, is the play by play guy but DOESN'T CALL THE GAME! He's talked more about events surrounding these programs than what's going on on the field. Charlie Strong's defense is playing a hell of a game and he barely acknowledges it.
But hey, you can watch the Tebow Cam.
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Post by catoc on Jan 1, 2010 22:03:29 GMT -6
So how is the Tebow cam? Is it just a close up of him at all times?
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Post by coachks on Jan 1, 2010 22:16:33 GMT -6
I can't stand commentators who always second guess coaches. Speilman is terrible at this, all you gotta do is this...all you gotta do is that. This change, that change. The broadcast isn't for you to prove how smart you are, just tell me what happened and some relevant stats.
Sure, people can say just turn off the TV...but they are misleading the average fan who then uses this little bit of knowledge and tries to apply it at the high school level. "8 in the box" is a perfect example of that. Or Ron Jaworski's rants on balance "50% run, 50% pass." We have kids listening to this (and believing it) and parents listening to it and blabbing it out during games.
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Post by chuff on Jan 1, 2010 22:22:53 GMT -6
Love the guy... but Tebow cam?
Could this game be any more subdued by the broadcast? I know it's a blow out, but it has been boring and second-rate since it started... 15 minutes late!
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 1, 2010 23:06:57 GMT -6
ur right catoc...Holtz is all about some coaching! The other night when he and May were talking about Suh...I really thought they were gonna come to blows when Holtz was saying Suh had improved because of the coaching of the Pellinis and May said it was raw talent....it is very embarassing for ESPN but I guess that network really has no regard for its on image in the community of people who actually know what is going on in a football game. He should've slapped May for that nonsense. It's unbelievable what Pelini has done with that defense and the program overall.
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 1, 2010 23:18:17 GMT -6
I guess my biggest complaint is when somebody, oh, say for example, Thom Brenneman, is the play by play guy but DOESN'T CALL THE GAME! He's talked more about events surrounding these programs than what's going on on the field. Charlie Strong's defense is playing a hell of a game and he barely acknowledges it. But hey, you can watch the Tebow Cam. It's on Fox, what do you expect. Other stuff is always secondary to the games on that channel. Watch the World Series sometime.
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Post by coachorr on Jan 2, 2010 1:49:03 GMT -6
I personally think Brian Billick (sp?) did a good job tonight during the Sugar Bowl. Simple analysis not acting like anybody special, pretty solid, but then again that is what you get from FOX (specifically referring to Aikman and his sidekick, they seem to do a pretty solid job).
Musberger, not so much.
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Post by endersgame on Jan 2, 2010 3:34:58 GMT -6
When I watch SNF sometimes I just wanna jump through the television and beat the {censored} outta Cris Collinsworth and his whole family! Argh!
It's the pretenious voice and that constant, stupid grin that he does to make people think he knows football. *smashes head against keyboard*
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Post by blb on Jan 2, 2010 8:38:03 GMT -6
FOX is a MLB and NFL network. Their CFB work is amateurish, second-rate at best.
I like Brian Billick, he's smart and well-spoken, but how much CFB has he really followed this fall?
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Post by coachorr on Jan 2, 2010 8:51:11 GMT -6
Maybe this is why he was good last night, just to the point with some simple analysis.
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Post by coachorr on Jan 2, 2010 8:53:33 GMT -6
Endersgame, Collingsworth doesn't hold a candle to Keith Oberman. He has got to be the most snide SOB there is and he comes off as a complete idiot.
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Post by poweriguy on Jan 2, 2010 11:54:20 GMT -6
I do think we need an all-Erin Andrews channel all the time though. Someone tried that, to mixed results. ;D Haha nice. But try watching that República Deportiva on Univision sometime. Good stuff. Now they know how to do a highlight show!
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Post by tekart on Jan 2, 2010 17:27:17 GMT -6
I would have loved it if Spielman would have laced into Greise during the telecast.
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Post by Juliath on Jan 2, 2010 18:22:58 GMT -6
This is why I watch games on mute. I only turn up the volume if something zany happens that needs explaining
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