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Post by airraider on Apr 13, 2009 10:23:38 GMT -6
I had a DC spot open last year and had a couple of guys come over and talk to me. Neither was really drawn to the school culture and I completely understood that.
But, to only have 2 or 3 guys inquire about a 4A coordinator spot is somewhat alarming.. especially when you consider I made it very clear in the listing that no experience was required.
I am now at a new school which is a GREAT situation. I have a DC spot open here as well and have only had 1 person inquire about it.
I have posted on this board as well as some of our state boards.
Have a good friend of mine who has been trying to find coaches for over a year.
Anyone else have these problems? Or is it just a problem for my region at the moment?
Im not complaining that I cant find good or great coaches.. heck average coaches would be good at this point.
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Post by touchdownmaker on Apr 13, 2009 10:36:52 GMT -6
check your pm.
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Post by CoachCP on Apr 13, 2009 11:02:04 GMT -6
Move to Indiana and have those problems next year when I'm looking for a job!
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Post by airraider on Apr 13, 2009 11:36:45 GMT -6
Move to Indiana and have those problems next year when I'm looking for a job! lol.. I wish there were more college guys about to enter the workforce on this site.. especially guys from Louisiana.. I think NCLB has really hurt coaching as much as it has general teachers..
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Post by ccox16 on Apr 13, 2009 11:38:16 GMT -6
whats NCLB? No child left behind?
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Post by jpdaley25 on Apr 13, 2009 11:41:40 GMT -6
My neck may be in a rope as soon as tonight. I may be calling you tomorrow.
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coachriley
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Post by coachriley on Apr 13, 2009 12:27:10 GMT -6
Yeah I am about to graduate college, and I am hoping I can find a teaching and coaching job. I only have probably one prospective place right now. So it looks like we are having opposite problems right now, lol. You can't get enough coaches and I am just hoping to find somewhere haha.
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Post by airraider on Apr 13, 2009 13:10:31 GMT -6
Unless you are PE only.. you will have no problem finding a job..
You PE guys.. take another test.. take some other classes.. whatever you have to do.. but PE jobs are tough to find.. and will be even more so as time goes on..
Ive got a SPED job right now that I cannot fill..
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Post by coachd5085 on Apr 13, 2009 13:24:56 GMT -6
air--I think one of the "problems" (not sure if that is a good word for the situation I am about to describe) is the increased accountability and demands on the profession of teaching. As you said, PE only is T O U G H, especially at the H.S. level, so the coaching ranks need to be filled with teachers. It wasn't horribly long ago that you could have the kids read a chapter on Monday, Outline the chapter on tuesday, Answer the chapter question on Wed, Review /ditto sheet on thursday on thursday, and chapter test on friday, all the while "Coach" was doodling up stuff or sleeping, or whatever.
With all of the accountability measures (and mindless hoops to jump through) for teachers these days...the situation has changed. I wouldn't teach in a high school classroom just to coach. I think a bunch of people might feel the same way. I have said before, why have a miserable 7:30-2:30 all year long just to do something from 3:30-7:30 from August-November.
As I said, I dont know if that is a "problem" really though. As a citizen of the world and someone who benefits from the success of the US public education system, I don't know if I would want people teaching just so they could coach.
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Post by hawke on Apr 13, 2009 13:31:29 GMT -6
No one wants to put up with what coaches have to put up with today, especially for the money. They can make more stocking shelves at WaMart and not have to put in the hours or hear all the BS and their wives and/or family do not have to sit in the stands and hear them criticized to all ends. I recently saw a great T-shirt that I wished I had a few years ago - "I know more than the football coach - I AM A PARENT!!! Very appropro for today. Next, most guys today like to be called "coach" but won't dare put in the hours it takes to be a "good" one. The sacrifices one has to make, even with one's own family, are enormous. People think all you have to do is draw up plays and defenses and its all swell. (Plays more than defenses by the way). Hell, my Golden Retriever could draw up plays (she's smarter than others honor roll student and better behaved). Coaching is much more than plays and defenses. The first requirement of a good coach: "You've got to Love It!!!" meaning the game itself.
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Post by airraider on Apr 13, 2009 13:35:12 GMT -6
air--I think one of the "problems" (not sure if that is a good word for the situation I am about to describe) is the increased accountability and demands on the profession of teaching. As you said, PE only is T O U G H, especially at the H.S. level, so the coaching ranks need to be filled with teachers. It wasn't horribly long ago that you could have the kids read a chapter on Monday, Outline the chapter on tuesday, Answer the chapter question on Wed, Review /ditto sheet on thursday on thursday, and chapter test on friday, all the while "Coach" was doodling up stuff or sleeping, or whatever. With all of the accountability measures (and mindless hoops to jump through) for teachers these days...the situation has changed. I wouldn't teach in a high school classroom just to coach. I think a bunch of people might feel the same way. I have said before, why have a miserable 7:30-2:30 all year long just to do something from 3:30-7:30 from August-November. As I said, I dont know if that is a "problem" really though. As a citizen of the world and someone who benefits from the success of the US public education system, I don't know if I would want people teaching just so they could coach. You are so right. I dont think the requirements in the classroom are as bad as the requirements needed to become certified. Not all states require the PLT, but if you go into that test with real world answers, then you will not pass. I know several people who had to change majors in college because they simply could not pass the PLT.
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Post by indyball on Apr 13, 2009 13:43:46 GMT -6
PLT? Is that education proficiency assessment? Well that is what they call it in the Southwest. Glad I took it right out of college as all the theoretical jargon and Ed psych stuff has been all but forgotten. Yeah, with the economy, it is a tough sell for a coach who doesn't teach to do it for what little coaches are paid.
But, hey, if you are in need of coaches, go to Wal-mart. I was meandering through the aisles there last month and ran into a guy who was a head coach of teams my school has played in the past and he was looking for work. Two days later, he is hired as our DC and he has since brought in two other coaches. So, like I said, coaches can be found at Wal-mart!
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Post by bigdog2003 on Apr 13, 2009 14:25:32 GMT -6
I hope there are jobs open when I finish school in May 2011. Once I finish school, there is nothing holding me here and I would be open to moving anywhere.
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Post by tothehouse on Apr 13, 2009 14:47:31 GMT -6
Interesting topic. Having it with our HC. We are looking for guys who want to commit more. Where the hell did they all go? If you put up a list of responsibilities of coaches in our program you'd see that the HC would be first, I'd be second and then the next guy is waaaayyy down on the list. Why is that? Could it be the HC is not asking for the other guys to do as much.....afraid they'd say "F this" and do something else? Could it be that they are busy (most are off campus) and don't have enough time to commit?
I'm with Hawke on this. Get in and love it. Live it. Our program is extremely solid, but guess what.....besides me and the HC NOT ONE COACH WENT TO A CLINIC SESSION. Not one...at any level. Is that arrogance? What is it? Hell...I'm nowhere near the coach I'd like to be...I need all the help I can get.
These coaches are good guys. Do "good guys" win football games?
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Post by td4tc on Apr 13, 2009 14:53:47 GMT -6
we've been trying to build through ex players as either teacher coaches or "community coaches". so far so good. really helps to build a solid PROGRAM cause they have a sense of loyalty.Stole this idea from our rival school.nice to have three generations on the staff so the kids get exposed to diff age groups and ideas.
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Post by touchdownmaker on Apr 13, 2009 14:55:09 GMT -6
I got lucky and asked a Dad that I felt was supportive to help me. He has jumped in and so has his wife. They actually push me sometimes. They are motivated.
If you dont mind teaching someone who knows next to nothing its not a bad idea to get a few Dads on board right now.
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Post by tarrant on Apr 13, 2009 14:58:13 GMT -6
Ive got a SPED job right now that I cannot fill.. That doesn't surprise me at all. SPED is a dead end. You get your SPED credential you'll never get out of it. I started to get into the field with noble intentions of helping the kids who really needed the help. Instead I found career where I became the the source of everyone problems. Things i needed to know about the kids were kept sealed in their records in the office. Then when something happened we were blamed for not knowing about it in the first place. Our classroom was the dumping ground of every kid that teachers didn't want to deal with. Kid wouldn't be quite? send him to special ed he must have a learning disability. Never mind the fact that we were never able to get kids referred out for formal assessments because no one would pay for them. The school was more than happy though to label a child as a special ed student and then leave them hanging. In my time student teaching we had 5 kids who flat out should not have been there, They tested average to better than average at the same level they were supposed to be, but they could not shake the special ed label. After that experience I said no thanks to special ed. I'm sure there are great school systems that do it right but with talking to others in the field those experiences were all to common.
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Post by coachjblair on Apr 13, 2009 15:14:35 GMT -6
I am having the exact opposite problem. I can find coaching spots that are good fit, but am having trouble finding an elementary teaching job. I guess it doesn’t help living in Arizona where they are cutting teachers left and right due to the budget.
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Post by fbdoc on Apr 13, 2009 17:26:31 GMT -6
The problem exists everywhere (although I will try the Wal-Mart tip ). We had two guys join our staff this year but had to let both of them go. We have openings that we just can't fill although our stipends are pretty good for the area. I will tell you though, its better to go without a coach than to just hire a "body" and hope he works out. I can tell you from experience, they never do! Don't put a guy out there unless you would want him coaching YOUR son!
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Post by jsucoach79 on Apr 13, 2009 17:39:55 GMT -6
I feel your pain. I'm in the same position. I am trying to hire coaches and even listed in the job postings that there are NO PE positions available. Guess who still applied.... PE teachers.
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Post by coachjblair on Apr 13, 2009 18:42:00 GMT -6
Just curious do you guys think administration has put less of an emphasis on hiring teachers that can coach?
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Post by fbdoc on Apr 13, 2009 18:55:39 GMT -6
If thats the case at your school my advice is to dust off your resume. It will be hard to build a program if the admin is not interested in hiring good teachers who are also good coaches.
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Post by schultbear74 on Apr 13, 2009 21:00:21 GMT -6
Adminstrative support is the key. There are too many candya$$ adminstrators now that don't have the most important criteria in common. Superintendents and principals should all be required to have had at least two losing seasons- and hate it.
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Post by bulldogoption on Apr 13, 2009 21:11:11 GMT -6
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Post by begreat on Apr 13, 2009 22:00:54 GMT -6
Air if you where in the metroplex I sure would be jumping on ship with you... damn...
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Post by coachwilley on Apr 13, 2009 22:07:52 GMT -6
I know what you're talking about. This year we have 10 coaching spots available and not 1 opening in the high school. Many coaches quit after all the parent problems this year. One of the openings is on my staff and there's nobody to fill it with. We only have 32 teachers at our school to begin with. My only hope is that one of the 3 grade school openings is a coach...
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Post by coachriley on Apr 14, 2009 0:45:23 GMT -6
This topic got me thinking about something, to you other coaches out there, what is the likelihood that you or your HC wouldtake a coach that works at the elementary school? In High school, I only had one coach in four years that worked at an elementary. Everybody else was in house. Just wondering what your thoughts are. I am going to graduate in a month and be certified elementary. I am also going to get my secondary social studies certification this summer. Thanks
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2009 1:11:27 GMT -6
out here in CA, theres no jobs right now. state is in a massive budget crisis, theres really no teaching jobs unless teachers retire or if you teach math or science - no district really wants to hire new teachers, except out in new developing areas. los angeles unified sent out like 9000 pink slips earlier this year.
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Post by bigdog2003 on Apr 14, 2009 5:53:46 GMT -6
No jobs here in SC really either. They are doing layoffs because of the budget situation. One district is building a new school due to student increases. but are laying off teachers. That doesn't make much sense, but I guess that is what they have to do. I am kind of glad I am not graduating this May, because the jobs aren't there. One of my friends had a job at a district he had coached for, but they told him it may not be there when he graduates in May because of the budget.
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Post by coachgeorge51 on Apr 14, 2009 6:48:51 GMT -6
You guys are right on concerning a lack of quality coaches. There are so few coaches because guys that would coach are not drawn to education these days. I don't think I would have gotten into this profession knowing what I know now after 16 years.
Things have changed drastically since I began education 16 years ago. Educators are getting land blasted more than any other profession and bear all the responsibility for societal problems. I had a principal friend who just retired tell me he would not be a principal again under the current climate. I agree and being a head coach is no different.
In my area, schools are only getting 10-15 applicants for head football coaching jobs and most of them are not qualified or too young. There just aren't guys out there who want to do it anymore. Way too many outside issues - terrible administrators, controlling parents, Internet, etc.
Times have changed over the last ten years or so....................................too bad.
That being said, we have a responsibility to our young men in our society. We are football coaches and, yes, a strange, rare breed of guys who still believe in something special. We owe it to our players to be there for them in these tough times to be young person.
Push em hard fellas.
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