lgoody
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Post by lgoody on Apr 16, 2009 2:44:07 GMT -6
I mean, it is harder, because for some reason or another, concentration in History fields is substantially higher for football coaches then it is in most other subjects. Don't know how that works, but that's how it is in NC.
My main thing was just the stigma a lot of coaches who are teachers carry.
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Post by coachwaggle on Apr 16, 2009 6:29:50 GMT -6
airraider i am about to lose my job as a head coach in a small school in ohio because 2 of my "lay" coaches backstabbed me in the community and i fired them! they went to the board with lies about the program and a petition of 20 signatures of which only 3 had any connection with the football program.since they are local guys, i'm being let go. this will be against total support from the administration and the majority of the parents. they were lazy, didn't coach and missed sevaral practice session throughout the year. but, i became the fall guy. this is why good people get out of coaching! i'm one of those crazy ones that have been doing it for 28 years, and will continue! you coach for a reason and it is not to be called coach!hang in there, you'll find competent people!
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Post by olinecoach61 on Apr 16, 2009 6:39:31 GMT -6
A major hurdle that I've had to hear about from people here at my university (and when I was in High School) is the stigma that teachers who coach carry. (football coaches in particular...) Especially phys ed and history teachers. As a history guy myself, I'm kind of tired of getting eye rolls. I've never thought teaching was a horrible profession, but there's some stuff about it that gets me. My Dad has been in the public school system for close to 30 years; he's taught nothing but idiots for years. I remember sitting in on one of his classes when I was in 7th grade; it was terrible. He's had kids who have failed world and us history 2 and 3 times, and here they are again-then, those kids count on his personal "record", and he gets questions as to why his grades are not as high as the honor roll kids who are in honors US down the hall. DUH?? Is that even a question?? These are the same kids who wouldn't get the joke in Animal House when the guy talks about the Germans bombing Pearl Harbor. I don't wanna get into teaching, and not be taken seriously. Not only as a coach, BUT AS A TEACHER. I made a 5 on the AP US history test, would have done the same to the AP Euro test if I didn't take the same college level class for it. I've got close to a 3.8 in my history classes, and I can conceivably finish my major by my Junior year next year. I know history. I understand it. Problem is, when I apply for a job, am I going to have to fight through that BS? If I am hired, am I going to get kids who have failed the same class 2 and 3 times, and be expected to perform at close to the same level as the guy/gal down the hall teaching it to Honors level kids who are motivated by THEMSELVES to succeed, or a the very least the kids who haven't taken the class 3 times? I love football, but I don't know how happy I could be if I was forced to teach material to kids who are not only not interested in the subject (which I understand will happen), but aren't interested in trying to even pass the class, and aren't interested in motivating themselves to succeed in the classroom. No offense, but you probably aren't cut out to be a teacher if this is your opinion before you even get into a classroom.
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Post by mwpilots on Apr 16, 2009 6:52:48 GMT -6
I have a bigger problem than that... I can't find players.
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Post by coachd5085 on Apr 16, 2009 7:03:09 GMT -6
A major hurdle that I've had to hear about from people here at my university (and when I was in High School) is the stigma that teachers who coach carry. (football coaches in particular...) Especially phys ed and history teachers. As a history guy myself, I'm kind of tired of getting eye rolls. I've never thought teaching was a horrible profession, but there's some stuff about it that gets me. My Dad has been in the public school system for close to 30 years; he's taught nothing but idiots for years. I remember sitting in on one of his classes when I was in 7th grade; it was terrible. He's had kids who have failed world and us history 2 and 3 times, and here they are again-then, those kids count on his personal "record", and he gets questions as to why his grades are not as high as the honor roll kids who are in honors US down the hall. DUH?? Is that even a question?? These are the same kids who wouldn't get the joke in Animal House when the guy talks about the Germans bombing Pearl Harbor. I don't wanna get into teaching, and not be taken seriously. Not only as a coach, BUT AS A TEACHER. I made a 5 on the AP US history test, would have done the same to the AP Euro test if I didn't take the same college level class for it. I've got close to a 3.8 in my history classes, and I can conceivably finish my major by my Junior year next year. I know history. I understand it. Problem is, when I apply for a job, am I going to have to fight through that BS? If I am hired, am I going to get kids who have failed the same class 2 and 3 times, and be expected to perform at close to the same level as the guy/gal down the hall teaching it to Honors level kids who are motivated by THEMSELVES to succeed, or a the very least the kids who haven't taken the class 3 times? I love football, but I don't know how happy I could be if I was forced to teach material to kids who are not only not interested in the subject (which I understand will happen), but aren't interested in trying to even pass the class, and aren't interested in motivating themselves to succeed in the classroom. No offense, but you probably aren't cut out to be a teacher if this is your opinion before you even get into a classroom. While I would agree somewhat with your thought here I would also say your mindset could be a contributing factor in propagating the issue. I guess it depends on the wording. If you added "in many public schools, and in the pending national public school environment", I would agree. Lgoody wants to TEACH HISTORY. He doesn't want to be charged with having to save the world, reach the unreachable motivate the unmotivated, etc. He also does not want to be evaluated and judged unfairly in an apples to orange comparison. He doesn't seem to want to bend over backwards 20 times for that ONE kid who could care less..all the while letting the kids that DO care get less attention. He doesn't want to be responsible for teaching social skills and citizenship because the kid grew up in a culture that has none. If all those things continue to be the jobs of teachers, and the environment of education, then the cycle won't stop. That said, Lgoody, I would agree with olinecoach in that the jobs that you will find professionally fulfilling might be few and far between in the public sector. As I said, you sound like an excellent candidate for private schools or to continue your education and teach at the post-secondary level.
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Post by docbrown on Apr 16, 2009 7:59:58 GMT -6
lgoody, I know what you're talking about with those rolling eyes. It makes me sick.
Then again I remember going through the social studies education classes in college and having guys wanting to coach football not even able to answer a question about the significance of the Appomatix Court House.
I just hate how everyone stereotypes me as THAT guy just because I also happen to have the same passion for football as I do social studies (I was an AP History/AP Gov't nerd in HS too).
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Post by coachorr on Apr 16, 2009 9:04:31 GMT -6
The public school system is underfire..because you win elections by putting responsibilities and blame on others. WE HAVE A WINNER!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by coachorr on Apr 16, 2009 9:07:34 GMT -6
One of the best parts of teaching is being able to motivate the unmotivated. That is where the real reward is.
Anyone can do it when it's easy.
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Post by coach31 on Apr 16, 2009 9:41:58 GMT -6
Hey guys, I have a Math and Physics Cert. I can pretty much work where I want here in PA as a teacher. The big problem I see is that for someone in my situation coaching is a TON of time for little to no pay and alot of grief. That is why it is hard to find coaches in the building
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lgoody
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Post by lgoody on Apr 16, 2009 14:35:36 GMT -6
Lgoody wants to TEACH HISTORY. He doesn't want to be charged with having to save the world, reach the unreachable motivate the unmotivated, etc. He also does not want to be evaluated and judged unfairly in an apples to orange comparison. He doesn't seem to want to bend over backwards 20 times for that ONE kid who could care less..all the while letting the kids that DO care get less attention. He doesn't want to be responsible for teaching social skills and citizenship because the kid grew up in a culture that has none. I guess that's a way to look at it. I understand that motivating kids to try and learn the material is part of the ALLURE of being a teacher. I like the idea of helping kids understand the real value that history has in many aspects of life (really--there is some real value). That being said, there has to be some self motivation on the part of the students, there has to be somebody OTHER then the teacher who cares. To me, the biggest issue isn't unmotivated teenagers, (...what are you gonna do about that?) the biggest thing to me is the negative attitude exhibited towards football coaches who teach. Parents of the girl I'm dating swear I'm wasting my life whichever one I'm involved in, and have told me so more then a few times. That just adds to the fun. ;D My father recommended that I get my MAT so that I could be taken more seriously in the workplace. He enjoys teaching, but I know he gets frustrated with some of the situations he gets put in. Hell, I've heard about some of the frustration myself. I don't know how he deals with it on a yearly basis without going insane.
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Post by caneman on Apr 16, 2009 16:59:07 GMT -6
I don't really enjoy trying to motivate kids to learn who have parents who don't care about their own child's educational achievement... if I know I have the parents support then it is rewarding to try and motivate the disinterested student...
Caneman
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Post by coachinghopeful on Apr 16, 2009 19:55:38 GMT -6
Parents of the girl I'm dating swear I'm wasting my life whichever one I'm involved in, and have told me so more then a few times. That just adds to the fun. ;D I HATE that "teaching is for losers with no prospects" attitude you hear everywhere. For years, this scared me away from teaching because I heard it so much from so many different sources, but honestly, what is the alternative? To slave away in some job you don't want to do for 40 years hoping to "make it" and buy other peoples' respect!?! Now that I'm finally taking the plunge into teaching, it turns out just about every job I've been offered for next year will pay me about the same as those people are making or probably ever will. I know I'll never get rich doing it, and it's going to be a lot of work, but that's just fine with me. I'll be ok.
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Post by phantom on Apr 16, 2009 20:16:01 GMT -6
I mean, it is harder, because for some reason or another, concentration in History fields is substantially higher for football coaches then it is in most other subjects. Don't know how that works, but that's how it is in NC. My main thing was just the stigma a lot of coaches who are teachers carry. So be a good teacher.
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Post by coachorr on Apr 16, 2009 21:05:59 GMT -6
That's why, when I teach, I do what I do and let everyone else form their own opinions. The only people I have to please are the administrators, students and parents.
If I am crappy, then so be it. But if I am working to give the kids I teach the best education possible, then I am truly in the driver's seat. Work to make yourself indispensable and let the chips fall where they may.
I teach and do what I do. If I spend all my time worrying about this stigma or that perception, then life would be a miserable cause. At least I feel intrinsic benefit from my job. I feel like my life and my skills make a difference. If that isn't good enough for someone...well there is nothing I can do about that. All I can do is show up and do my best.
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Post by coachorr on Apr 16, 2009 21:07:25 GMT -6
I don't really enjoy trying to motivate kids to learn who have parents who don't care about their own child's educational achievement... if I know I have the parents support then it is rewarding to try and motivate the disinterested student... Caneman Kids don't chose their parents, so I am not going to chose who I should try to motivate and who I shouldn't.
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Post by coachorr on Apr 16, 2009 21:17:15 GMT -6
Parents of the girl I'm dating swear I'm wasting my life whichever one I'm involved in, and have told me so more then a few times. That just adds to the fun. ;D I HATE that "teaching is for losers with no prospects" attitude you hear everywhere. For years, this scared me away from teaching because I heard it so much from so many different sources, but honestly, what is the alternative? To slave away in some job you don't want to do for 40 years hoping to "make it" and buy other peoples' respect!?! Now that I'm finally taking the plunge into teaching, it turns out just about every job I've been offered for next year will pay me about the same as those people are making or probably ever will. I know I'll never get rich doing it, and it's going to be a lot of work, but that's just fine with me. I'll be ok. I used to be a bilingual Human Resources Manager. I was making about $50K a year when I left. I hated that job when I had it, I love teaching. This next year with two stipends I will be somewhere around $47K. When I went into teaching I made adjustments in my life. I decided to spend less money and live life in a fuller way. Now, instead of going to work as a drudgery, I look forward to work everyday. That has carried over into my personal life as well. It really isn't what you make, but how you spend it that counts. I bought a new car and the payments were $480 a month. I sold that car and paid for a used one. I really missed the new car I had, it had some nice features. The one feature that was better on the used car was "no payment". Long story short, I drove the other one around for five years and just sold it. I just bought the same car as the new one I had for $3500 and paid in cash. So, it is how you spend your money. I realized that trading a preferred lifestyle in for a material possession was not worth it. I didn't get into teaching because I couldn't do anything else (actually I was more skilled than many other people in my line of work). I got into teaching because I CHOSE to do it.
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Post by indyball on Apr 16, 2009 22:47:19 GMT -6
I wake up every day excited to do what I do. I may have a different incentive though. My dad was a coach's coach. He taught the game and helped people understand and respect the game. But he was an even better teacher. He actually told me not to go into teaching...said that, with my head, there were better things to be had. My pop's life was taken by a drunk driver when I was 19. I decided that my life's work would involve finishing his, so I teach. English. Ironically, he was a Spanish teacher. The money has nothing to do with why I am going into my tenth year. It's the minds, the hope, the potential.
It's just me and my perspective, but I would never be content in the situation some have prescribed for Lgoody. Of course, we don't know him or his intentions, but I would rather have a kid there looking for an answer, rather than thinking he already had them all. I would rather have a kid looking for a way out of his situation, rather than a kid who is always just trying to manipulate his situation. As was my father's motto, I want "to make the bad ones good, and the good ones great." My paycheck doesn't happen once every two weeks...it happens each day, beginning at 8 AM.
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Post by robinhood on Apr 17, 2009 9:50:34 GMT -6
There is a school in Indiana right now who can't hire a head coach, after they fired the last coach, because they RIFFED 8 teachers and have no place to put a new HC. Rumor has it they may have to consider re-hiring the old coach.
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byuwolverine
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Post by byuwolverine on Apr 17, 2009 9:59:29 GMT -6
Target players while they are playing for you and ask them if they would come back to coach. Than Develop them on your Frosh and JV levels, our program does his a ton.
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Post by coachorr on Apr 17, 2009 15:31:16 GMT -6
There is a school in Indiana right now who can't hire a head coach, after they fired the last coach, because they RIFFED 8 teachers and have no place to put a new HC. Rumor has it they may have to consider re-hiring the old coach. Poetic
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Post by touchdownmaker on Apr 17, 2009 20:03:01 GMT -6
I learned a very long time ago that teacher bashers are generally just really jealous of our awesome schedule. I mean I had 12 days off over Christmas and a week over the presidents day weekend and now I am on spring break. Oh and then before long Ill be sipping suds on a cool deck while someone mows my lawn. Ok, Ill be mowin it, but I can dream cant I? yeah, Ill have the summer off to COACH FOOTBALL every day. hate me if you wish. But look , while some of you were dreaming of being millionaires back in hs, I was in Jr high wanting to be just like my jr high pe teacher who had football posters and trophies in his office and was always doodling plays or pumping iron. ha ha.
btw, continuing education requirements do put a bit of a damper on the ol dream job, add bomb scares, drugs, knives and other weapons in the building and its not so glamorous ...and whats with the "goths' man they can be hard to look at. Lip rings and that sort of thing....ew.
Teaching is a great profession. I just hope we can call keep our jobs. Its scary.
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Post by tsu on Apr 17, 2009 20:57:43 GMT -6
I'm slightly confused?! I'm about to be a soph in college(or u could say im still a freshman but nah). I was thinking that it would be horrible to graduate right now because i wouldn't be able to find a job.
Is there coaching jobs openings. but you cant fill them because no school district in there right mind would be hiring right now? Or is it you just cant find qualified coaches? Or both?
I have a feeling that its a mixture of both and it depends on the area. But seriously Louisiana is sounding great right now. It seems like its hard to find a coaching job in Texas.
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Post by airraider on Apr 17, 2009 21:12:08 GMT -6
I'm slightly confused?! I'm about to be a soph in college(or u could say im still a freshman but nah). I was thinking that it would be horrible to graduate right now because i wouldn't be able to find a job. Is there coaching jobs openings. but you cant fill them because no school district in there right mind would be hiring right now? Or is it you just cant find qualified coaches? Or both? I have a feeling that its a mixture of both and it depends on the area. But seriously Louisiana is sounding great right now. It seems like its hard to find a coaching job in Texas. The biggest problem is these days you actually need to be certified in what you teach. My first year coaching we had a guy with a degree in journalism and another in aviation. You also had coaches who were certified in social studies, but were teaching special ed... or science.. there are loads of PE and SS teachers.. my advice.. get your certification in something that is in high need.. such as Math.
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Post by coachorr on Apr 17, 2009 23:15:35 GMT -6
What, professional development for you is increasing your knowledge and networking in the area sports?
My professional development is training on sexual harassment.
And herein lies the problem for many people on the outside looking in. They go to work, we go to a love/hobby and we are rewarded everyday.
Moreover, everyone believes that every school district is like the DC public school system. Our district's graduation rate is 84%. Proficient in reading 86%. Proficient in Math 83%. The Shyt storm doesn't exactly apply to us, yet we get lumped in with the national perspective, which is negative.
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Post by coryell2009 on Apr 18, 2009 0:59:25 GMT -6
Well, Indyball....I volunteered at a school that came off a 2-9 record and I did it for a multitude of reasons....not the least of which was that I don't want to ride the coattails of a already great program.....I want to be part of turning it around.
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Post by coryell2009 on Apr 18, 2009 1:05:45 GMT -6
To finish, I find football to be one of the only things in life that is pure. I know it sounds like any given sunday, but it's true. I love, the constant game planning. I love teaching kids who think that they can't and showing them that they can. I love the pressure of scheming against different coaches week in and week out. I wish I would have had the courage to make the jump sooner.....you should truly do what you LOVE. I want to work with the kids that society finds irredeemable. Maybe I'll find that I can't change them either....but I want the opportunity to try.
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Post by coachd5085 on Apr 18, 2009 7:54:33 GMT -6
I'm slightly confused?! I'm about to be a soph in college(or u could say im still a freshman but nah). I was thinking that it would be horrible to graduate right now because i wouldn't be able to find a job. Is there coaching jobs openings. but you cant fill them because no school district in there right mind would be hiring right now? Or is it you just cant find qualified coaches? Or both? I have a feeling that its a mixture of both and it depends on the area. But seriously Louisiana is sounding great right now. It seems like its hard to find a coaching job in Texas. The biggest problem is these days you actually need to be certified in what you teach. My first year coaching we had a guy with a degree in journalism and another in aviation. You also had coaches who were certified in social studies, but were teaching special ed... or science.. there are loads of PE and SS teachers.. my advice.. get your certification in something that is in high need.. such as Math. To augment that statement...I would say the biggest problem is you actually need to be certified in high demand areas, and apply to schools/districts that don't view coaching as a negative and you have to enter the profession with the mindset, teacher 1st, teacher 2nd, coach 3rd.... just to be safe
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Post by coachorr on Apr 18, 2009 8:05:11 GMT -6
I got into teaching because I loved coaching. In many ways, I love teaching more than I love coaching. If you are good at it and are trying to continually improve, it is really a neat and fun occupation. I love it.
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Post by tsu on Apr 18, 2009 8:32:55 GMT -6
"there are loads of PE and SS teachers.. my advice.. get your certification in something that is in high need.. such as Math."
I was afraid someone was gonna say that im history major. I knew that SS majors were not in "demand" but i would hate teaching something else for the rest of my life! I have a feeling that i mite regret this down the road. HMM this is probably going to come back to haunt me in 3yrs.
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Post by airraider on Apr 18, 2009 8:48:19 GMT -6
"there are loads of PE and SS teachers.. my advice.. get your certification in something that is in high need.. such as Math."I was afraid someone was gonna say that im history major. I knew that SS majors were not in "demand" but i would hate teaching something else for the rest of my life! I have a feeling that i mite regret this down the road. HMM this is probably going to come back to haunt me in 3yrs. The good part.. well atleast in Louisiana.. its not too hard to get certification in another area.. I had roughly 15 or so hours in social studies during my undergrad. I then took 5 sociology classes in my last semester and with 30 hours.. I now am SS certified. I could have just taken the content knowledge Praxis test in SS.. and I would have been certified.. SS jobs are not impossible to find.. just not the easiest to find.. English.. Math.. SPED.. Science.. you can pretty much find a job in most places.. PE.. Social Studies.. not so much..
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