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Post by tog on Nov 20, 2008 19:06:03 GMT -6
i love watching the flexbone
the old axiom
run stuff different than everyone else in your league
i think this applies
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Post by goldenbear76 on Nov 20, 2008 19:12:04 GMT -6
That is so true! I admit, I love watching GT now.
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Post by jgordon1 on Nov 20, 2008 20:03:32 GMT -6
watching them right now. reverse pass, reverse, pick 6. hey I thought they were a triple team. ran the Ga southern offense in 1990.. I love it. Also had the pleasure to work w/ Tony Demeo for a year
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Post by captain31 on Nov 20, 2008 20:54:07 GMT -6
I like the announcers talking about the "tailback" (fullback) and saying his three-point stance is "way too old-school." Meanwhile, GT is averaging 10 yards per carry and crushing the canes. I need to go back to watching all football with the TV on mute...
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Post by waltflanagansdog on Nov 20, 2008 20:58:30 GMT -6
They are tearing it up. Just wish my kids could have run the flexbone 1/1000000th this good. We may not have scrapped it.
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Post by coachmacplains on Nov 20, 2008 21:06:29 GMT -6
Not very pretty if you're a 'Canes fan to this point.
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Post by waltflanagansdog on Nov 20, 2008 21:09:36 GMT -6
That was a hell of a play. I need a FB and a line like that.
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Post by coachmacplains on Nov 20, 2008 21:14:54 GMT -6
It is fun to see GT running this offense...nice change of pace, and someone other than Air Force or Navy, albeit a Navy coaching alum.
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Post by saintrad on Nov 20, 2008 21:36:54 GMT -6
ok you johnny come latelys... our HS moved to the flexbone this last season and did ok, we were just missing a trigger man to runit right... love the offense, love watching TECG kick some hurricane butt.
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Post by spreadattack on Nov 20, 2008 23:07:08 GMT -6
PJ is the man. The announcers every game reluctantly come around to the offense only after Gt crushes teams. Their yards per carry was ridiculous. Randy Shannon might be a good DC, but his team played like he hadn't faced any option since he was a player against Nebraska.
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Post by morris on Nov 21, 2008 8:02:18 GMT -6
Loved watching that game. One thing I noticed was the OL stance. It looked like their stance had a ton of weight forward and overall just looked different then what I was use to seeing. I do not know if it is because I see so much spread/zone type teams or what. Is there something different about their OL stance?
One of the things I enjoyed the most about the game was how systematic GT is in their offense. True series based/style offense compared to a ton of the other stuff you see. You could tell that Miami's players had not played much against option style teams (I mean even going back to HS) because they just seemed completely confused. I do not think it was Miami's scheme as much as the players just did not have a grasp of what they were facing. I guess that is what happens when you face spread passing teams and zone run all the time.
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Post by coachjd on Nov 21, 2008 8:27:28 GMT -6
FEAR THE VEER!!!!!! Midline, counter option and Rocket Toss!!! ;D
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Post by trojan on Nov 21, 2008 8:30:42 GMT -6
Not very pretty if you're a 'Canes fan to this point. Tell me about it.  At least they are getting throttled by an offense that I can appreciate. |
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Post by saintrad on Nov 21, 2008 8:59:23 GMT -6
Loved watching that game. One thing I noticed was the OL stance. It looked like their stance had a ton of weight forward and overall just looked different then what I was use to seeing. I do not know if it is because I see so much spread/zone type teams or what. Is there something different about their OL stance? Morris, according to Sewak he has been telling us that they are heavy on the front hand (60-40) and has narrowed thier stances to be more like a sprinter's stance in order to fire out better and to get to the second level defenders quicker. |
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Post by jgordon1 on Nov 21, 2008 9:23:34 GMT -6
It seemed to me, Miami was playing a 4-3 look and a 44 look. when they were in a 44,GT went triple to the 1 tech and when they were in a 4-3 they went midline to the 3 tech. This was after they loosened them up with a couple of reverses and trips passes. Another problem IMO was that Miami took poor angles to the ball and were poor tacklers angainst their larger RB's.
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Post by bigm0073 on Nov 21, 2008 9:49:33 GMT -6
I did not DVR the game but I was pausing it and watching it pretty closely....
They ran very little if ANY midline in the first half. The second half the midline absolutely KILLED Miami. That is so tough to defend.
It was amazing to watch Miami's coaches on the sidelines... They looked lost and confused. Absolutely amazing to watch!
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Post by Yash on Nov 21, 2008 9:56:44 GMT -6
Do you guys think its easier to run this offense at a college level as compared to a high school level because of the ability of the slot backs to cut linebackers? We run this where I coach and I coach the running backs. I find it hard for my guys to block long enough to spring that big run. We've worked on throwing our blocks later so they don't have to sustain them as long but nothing is as effective as a good old cut block and getting guys on the ground. We can't block rocket sweep to save our life either.
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Post by jgordon1 on Nov 21, 2008 10:01:16 GMT -6
Do you guys think its easier to run this offense at a college level as compared to a high school level because of the ability of the slot backs to cut linebackers? We run this where I coach and I coach the running backs. I find it hard for my guys to block long enough to spring that big run. We've worked on throwing our blocks later so they don't have to sustain them as long but nothing is as effective as a good old cut block and getting guys on the ground. We can't block rocket sweep to save our life either. Yes, we ran it at the HS level and always had a hard time getting the perimeter blocked |
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Post by billyn on Nov 21, 2008 10:03:20 GMT -6
Elimination of blocking below the waist in high school really hurt option football. The only problem I see Georgia Tech having is are they going to be able to continually recruit big time talent to play in that system. If I'm an offensive player who wants to go pro, I have to ask myself if playing in the flexbone is going to develop the skills I need to get there. By the way I love watching it much more than chuck and duck football. I hope he wins a national championship with it and the tide turns back to option football, but I think the jury is still out on how sustainable success in a big time conference is going to be with it.
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Post by davecisar on Nov 21, 2008 10:04:52 GMT -6
Anyone catch GT started a rookie rookie Kid at LT?
Before this season he was a wingback for them (slotback, whatever they call them)
He weighs just 254 and starts for a team that almost put 500 yards up on Miami.
GT has some kids that can play, just wait until he has a chance to recruit option QBs and teach a kid the WHOLE system for 3-4 years. Fun game for me to watch and yes I wish we could cut outside the TB in Nebraska, GT is good at it, Navy is great at it.
BTW there are some great Option QBs playing HS ball. Who recruits them? None of the spread passing guys or 50/50 guys want them. Seems like GT would have first dibs on them unlike being what #50 in line for the great passing QBs every other college in the US is looking for. Seems like a nice "Dominate the niche" strategy.
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Post by coachthespread on Nov 21, 2008 10:05:19 GMT -6
I am not sold yet. Miami did a horrible job defending them. I saw NC hit that stuff in the mouth. I like Paul Johnson and what they are doing, but I am not jumping on the ban wagon yet.
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Post by coachthespread on Nov 21, 2008 10:05:18 GMT -6
I am not sold yet. Miami did a horrible job defending them. I saw NC hit that stuff in the mouth. I like Paul Johnson and what they are doing, but I am not jumping on the ban wagon yet.
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Post by bigdog2003 on Nov 21, 2008 10:09:17 GMT -6
I think that PJ will be able to recurit the players he needs to win at Tech. It is only a matter of time before the win a BCS bowl.
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Post by Coach JR on Nov 21, 2008 10:39:19 GMT -6
So, do any of y'all think that since "the bone" has been out of vouge now for over 20 years in D-1 college ball, that with PJ's success, some teams might go back to it, especially in conferences where defenses have been designed around stopping prolific passing attacks, like say the Big 12?
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Post by saintrad on Nov 21, 2008 10:42:44 GMT -6
Elimination of blocking below the waist in high school really hurt option football. couldn't agree with you more. We have told our slots and receivers to "bite the hip" and if you happen to slide down the leg then so be it. I would have to disagree with you on this based on the lack of understanding of this offense. If I was wanting to be a pro style QB then yes it may hurt you, but they also said that about wing-t Qbs too, until Rich Gannon made it. AS a RB then this will actually help you out being in a run heavy offense. Really don't remember many Nebraksa RBs under Osborne NOT get drafted. This will also assit the OG and C more than the tackles as well. One of the main requirements scouts look at for the interior OL is can they move and can they sustain a block on a smaller 2nd level defender? This offense does this every play. amen |
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Post by jgordon1 on Nov 21, 2008 10:51:46 GMT -6
I think that PJ will be able to recurit the players he needs to win at Tech. It is only a matter of time before the win a BCS bowl. Not only will he be able to recruit the players but anyone willing to go into that system MUST be an unselfish person. GT is a tough school to get into (even relatively speaking for athletes). so you get unselfish, smart kids that buy into a system. sounds like a dream.... GO GT |
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Post by ajreaper on Nov 21, 2008 11:33:55 GMT -6
Elimination of blocking below the waist in high school really hurt option football. The only problem I see Georgia Tech having is are they going to be able to continually recruit big time talent to play in that system. If I'm an offensive player who wants to go pro, I have to ask myself if playing in the flexbone is going to develop the skills I need to get there. By the way I love watching it much more than chuck and duck football. I hope he wins a national championship with it and the tide turns back to option football, but I think the jury is still out on how sustainable success in a big time conference is going to be with it. Navy competed very very well against big time talent and they certainly had more constraints at Navy then they'll have at GT recruiting so I doubt it'll be an issue. |
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Post by CoachCP on Nov 21, 2008 11:55:04 GMT -6
A lot of QB's who can scramble don't want to be moved to wide receiver at the next level as well, and I have no reason to believe they won't give GT a chance.
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Post by threeback on Nov 21, 2008 14:07:45 GMT -6
I don't care if the offense is "old school" or the "tailback's" stance is old school. I also don't care if it's not "fan friendly". The offense the way it was run last night was a thing of beauty. I would give my left n-t to follow around PJ and learn a millionth of what that man knows of the flexbone.
If you didn't enjoy watching the punch/counter punch of the option offense last night regardless of what offense you favor, you don't appreciate the game of football.
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Post by saintrad on Nov 21, 2008 14:59:08 GMT -6
If you didn't enjoy watching the punch/counter punch of the option offense last night regardless of what offense you favor, you don't appreciate the game of football. AMEN!  ;D |
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