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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 22, 2008 14:32:55 GMT -6
Do you guys think its easier to run this offense at a college level as compared to a high school level because of the ability of the slot backs to cut linebackers? We run this where I coach and I coach the running backs. I find it hard for my guys to block long enough to spring that big run. We've worked on throwing our blocks later so they don't have to sustain them as long but nothing is as effective as a good old cut block and getting guys on the ground. We can't block rocket sweep to save our life either. Without a doubt. Federation rules limited both option football, as well as the Wing-T system. Being able to cut makes the QB and especially the PITCH much more dangerous options. In the Wing, the ability for a pesky 145lb wing to chop down that big bad 9 tech really facilitated the buck and down series.
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Post by groundchuck on Nov 22, 2008 14:36:07 GMT -6
I don't care if the offense is "old school" or the "tailback's" stance is old school. I also don't care if it's not "fan friendly". The offense the way it was run last night was a thing of beauty. I would give my left n-t to follow around PJ and learn a millionth of what that man knows of the flexbone. If you didn't enjoy watching the punch/counter punch of the option offense last night regardless of what offense you favor, you don't appreciate the game of football. Interesting how many people say option is not "fan friendly". I had a couple parents, mothers in fact, comment to me at school that it was fun to watch the kids fake and try and guess who had the ball.
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Post by Yash on Nov 22, 2008 14:37:32 GMT -6
I think any offense run effectively is fan friendly. Is the spread fan friendly when a kid goes 15 of 45 with 4 INTs and the offense gives up 5 sacks. Probably not. Goes back to the age old theory of if you are winning they don't care what you are running, if you are losing everyone has a better idea.
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 22, 2008 14:44:53 GMT -6
I think any offense run effectively is fan friendly. Is the spread fan friendly when a kid goes 15 of 45 with 4 INTs and the offense gives up 5 sacks. Probably not. Goes back to the age old theory of if you are winning they don't care what you are running, if you are losing everyone has a better idea. Exactly!!! Nothing is less fan friendly than a spread team that can't protect the ball or the quarterback.
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Post by groundchuck on Nov 22, 2008 14:55:20 GMT -6
I think any offense run effectively is fan friendly. Is the spread fan friendly when a kid goes 15 of 45 with 4 INTs and the offense gives up 5 sacks. Probably not. Goes back to the age old theory of if you are winning they don't care what you are running, if you are losing everyone has a better idea. Exactly!!! Nothing is less fan friendly than a spread team that can't protect the ball or the quarterback. What I admire about Johnson is he has a plan, and has stuck to it. He knew the spread option would work and he didn't let the media, fans, and probably even some other coaches convince him it could not work. Now for sure the rest of the ACC will adjust next year, but also the Tech players will also have a better grasp on the offense. That is what we are looking forward to next year. There were certain things we didn't/couldn't do b/c the spread option was new to the kids.
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Post by coachjaz on Nov 22, 2008 15:26:33 GMT -6
60-40 weight forward
Bingo - They only really run about 5 run plays (IV, Rocket, Midline, Zone Dive, Counter Option) the rest is supplementary (Belly, Counter Speed, Follow, thats really it)
They had 423 yards of offense against North Carolina. They just turned the ball over too much.
Not too convinced of this because boosters run everything. Its all about the $$$$
PJ has seen everything a defense can do to his scheme because he has run the same stuff his whole life. I truly believe he will always be a step ahead of the defense.
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Post by gacoach on Nov 25, 2008 6:42:01 GMT -6
I went to the game and Miami just could not stop the midline. It was a beutiful thing.
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Post by coachmacplains on Nov 27, 2008 14:40:50 GMT -6
With respect to GT getting players to play in the system, they should be able to get quality FBs. It seems to me that if you are a FB with NFL potential/aspirations, what could be a better place? He will actually get to carry the football before heading to the NFL.
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 27, 2008 16:11:13 GMT -6
coachmacplains.. a flexbone fullback is a non existent commodity in the NFL. NFL backs are either running backs, or small fast guards.
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Post by tog on Nov 27, 2008 18:44:29 GMT -6
coachmacplains.. a flexbone fullback is a non existent commodity in the NFL. NFL backs are either running backs, or small fast guards. disagree earl campbell shaun alexander duckett any of the bigger backs, and some of the shorter squatty backs would be great pro style backs AND great fullbacks in the flexbone the easiest place to see this is the back that GT has now he was a pro style tailback but is obviously flourishing in the flexbone
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 27, 2008 18:58:55 GMT -6
tog--
Remember, he was talking about "FULLBACKS". The flexbone single back is NOT what the NFL wants as a fullback.
Also, remember, he was talking about recruiting. I might be wrong (time will tell) but I don't see many top schoolboy backs flocking to GT for the opportunity to be the guy whose job is to run a path into an UNBLOCKED player.
Remember how Earl's carry changed a bit...I could be wrong, but didn't Texas morph him from a wishbone fullback to a tailback...
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Post by tog on Nov 27, 2008 19:05:00 GMT -6
they did but i would imagine that there are many ballcarriers that want to tote the rock and be THE man
whether they turn into fullbacks or running backs in the nfl? they probably expect to be used as running backs just like the guy at gt now
he will be good in the nfl
either way
if pj gets the 6'2 240 kids he has had at fb that can jam it up in there and maybe not take it to the house then they will still be fine
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 27, 2008 19:07:25 GMT -6
Oh, definitely TOG..i am not disagreeing that the kid isnt good for GT...
My point is going to GT to be a flexbone fullback might not be good for a kids NFL aspirations. Not saying that SHOULD be the kids thought process.. but it is .
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Post by tog on Nov 27, 2008 19:12:23 GMT -6
i think the nfl will see that the kid is a football player and draft him regardless
you are right in that a lot of the kids out there might not choose to but i bet the ones that do are special and really are tough nosed football players that the nfl will appreciate
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 27, 2008 20:00:51 GMT -6
I hope you are right..I think we might start seeing that trend in the NFL (guys like Jacob Hester from LSU come to mind)
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Post by morris on Nov 27, 2008 20:34:53 GMT -6
Do not forget about Aderian Peterson from Georgia Southern and the numbers he put up. GS use to say that the "FB" in their offense was a TB. I would not be surprised if they use Peterson as an example of what you can do in this offense.
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 27, 2008 20:52:01 GMT -6
morris....I ask you...where is THAT AP in the NFL? Again, you and I realize there is no correlation. You and I realize there is such a thing as having a GREAT college career. However, when talking about recruiting...kids are flat SELFISH AND DUMB. Kids make choices because of color schemes (see Oregon), kids make choices so they can wear certain numbers, Kids make choices because certain teams wear certain brand gear,
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Post by groundchuck on Nov 27, 2008 20:55:16 GMT -6
A RB/FB like Jacob Hester would haev been very good in a flexbone offnse I would think.
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Post by morris on Nov 27, 2008 21:12:34 GMT -6
He was with the Bears for a number of years had a an average to above average career as far as years playing for an NFL RB. If he was a I back does he put up the same type of numbers? For all those kids that make stupid choices (colors etc) you get a kid like Knowshon that picks a school because of how they treat him.
I used the example of AP 1 because when you produce in college you are going to get a look. I agree that GT's fullback more than likely does nto fit into that H/FB position in the NFL. The reasoning is they want a TB there.
I completely understand why some would tell players GT will not be the best place to prepare for the NFL because you are not running I/OZ and catching the ball out of the backfield etc. I just think that there is a place in the NFL for those guys lined up behind the QB.
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Post by kakavian on Nov 28, 2008 10:09:47 GMT -6
<<I would have to disagree with you on this based on the lack of understanding of this offense. If I was wanting to be a pro style QB then yes it may hurt you, but they also said that about wing-t Qbs too, until Rich Gannon made it.>> There was a wing-t QB who had some success in the NFL besides Gannon, ummm...what was his name again? Oh yeah, Brett Favre!
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Post by morris on Nov 28, 2008 12:52:10 GMT -6
I did not know they ran the wing t at Southern Miss.
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Post by coachjaz on Nov 28, 2008 17:51:28 GMT -6
He was a Wing-T QB in high school.
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Post by utchuckd on Nov 29, 2008 15:49:35 GMT -6
PJ and the Ramblin Wreck down UGA today.
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Post by coachorr on Nov 29, 2008 16:21:40 GMT -6
Fullback (Speed) option to the boundary was the difference maker in the third quarter. Great adjustment to go away from the field and to create numbers to the field, they brought an SE over to the boundary to form twins to the boundary and went to the field. I didn't realize football was that simple of a game.
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Post by coachjaz on Nov 29, 2008 16:55:46 GMT -6
Right - The ran their ends over formation into the boundary to give them space to the field. It was a great strategy to counter the UGA defense, who is still a great defense.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2008 21:00:11 GMT -6
I have to admit I'm growing more and more imoressed with this offense. I still don't think I could run it, but it's real fun to watch.
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Post by Yash on Nov 29, 2008 21:12:10 GMT -6
Think Notre Dame could run it? I'm willing to try anything at this point! Its hard being an Irish fan now days!
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Post by coachjaz on Nov 29, 2008 21:37:30 GMT -6
I think Notre Dame would do GREAT with it. Aldridge and Hughes at the B-Back. Allen as an A-Back and heck, Golden Tate at QB. Throw it to Floyd on PAP.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2008 9:51:50 GMT -6
I hear you I'm a Michigan fan
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Post by rock85 on Nov 30, 2008 10:34:25 GMT -6
I was really impressed with GT yesterday...first time I had watched a good portion of one of their games. They make it look easy!!!
As for ND, after watching that game last night, I'd try just about anything...virtually ZERO pass protection all night....does Charlie Weis survive the off-season?
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