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Post by CS on Jan 25, 2024 12:23:53 GMT -6
This is 100% a real thing that a ton of coaches deal with. I was at a school that was a perennial avg to below avg team and was wing t... they had a year or 2 that was successful but mostly not. I had kids that I tried to recruit out of the halls tell me... "I am not gonna play on a team that just runs it up the middle every play... that's boring". I agree with other posts... WINNING solves all problems... but if you are a veer guy or a wing t guy trying to turn a program around, you better do it quickly and you will probably have to do it before those fringe kids come out and play for you. High school kids want to be recruited to play and like it or not a ton of them are playing simply to try to get scholarship and think they have to run a "college" or "pro" offense to have a chance to be seen. Is it the offense or is it the way that those coaches have traditionally practiced there scheme that boring?
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Post by CS on Jan 24, 2024 12:56:19 GMT -6
We won a State Championship in 2010 running the Double Wing. We threw 3 passes in the game. Fast forward a couple of years. The talent level dropped off a bit and we had some character issues with the kids we had. Change 2010 to 2015 and change Double to Single and that is EXACTLY where we are right now.
Many here (including myself) have said "kids want to win" or "winning solves problems"... I'm not sure I agree with that as much as I once did.
Over the last 12 years we've won just under 80% of our games, and have been in the semi-finals or better 6 times... we had 21 out last year and will be lucky to have 20 in 2024. (We were solidly in the 40s until 2022 when we dipped to the low 30s... our enrollment hasn't really changed much).
More than "our system" is the fact that many of our kids are lazy/selfish/delusional/entitled.
There are probably 1-2 guys who might come out if we spread out more, but as CS and larrymoe have mentioned, we don't want them if they are that selfish.
Still, bodies would be nice. Our scout D front 7 is often made up of trash cans...
I have arguments with some of the guys I work with about this pretty regular. I don't want "bodies" to play. If the kids want to come out and work their b@lls off and buy in I want them. If they are going to be a distraction and have no chance to help us get better even on the scout team then they can pi55 off. I didn't start coaching to be a baby sitting service for d!ckheads. If they're d!ckheads who can play then we need to keep them and try to discipline them into not being slaps
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Post by CS on Jan 24, 2024 7:15:30 GMT -6
If the Admin hire me they know they're getting a flexbone offense. If at some point they feel they no longer want a flexbone guy they can show me the door and hire someone else.
I have seen guys that I know and like move away from wing t, dead t, flex etc. to get "the skill kids" out and it has blown up in their faces. If the kids use the offense as a reason to not play then I really don't want them because they are selfish people
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Post by CS on Jan 23, 2024 7:34:54 GMT -6
I don't know enough about him as a coach other than when he was at Navy and ran th triple option. Is Coach Niumatalolo the kind of coach who recruits and drives culture? I don't see why people are "upset" about him not running the triple. I don’t see where anyone on here said they were upset about him running the option. This is coming from a poster with an axe to grind and a problem letting things go
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Post by CS on Jan 22, 2024 4:59:59 GMT -6
I just don't understand why you have to argue this same argument over and over and over and over and over... And yes, I don't like much of what HS football has become. Fair point. Likely for the same reason that others have to post the same "option as panacea" statements over and over and over and over and over, or complain about teams that don't run them over and over and over and over. Uh. Nobody was arguing that in this thread. You actually brought it up
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Post by CS on Jan 21, 2024 14:42:12 GMT -6
May I point out he was premier when he ran the flex. It’s when he lost his way he got fired I don't doubt it. I was typing a bit too fast, and was trying to say that he was a premier flexbone coach. So presumably he felt he understood the flexbone not just schematically, but how it fit (or rather, decreasing efficacy) with his college football environment at that time. And it may very well be the case that Ken is an "idiot" in that he misjudged his assumptions on that matter. As I suggested in those discussions, maybe he looked at places like Tulane or Coastal Carolina and said "Heck, we are recruiting the same type of kid, maybe we can branch out and get a few studs and beat USC. " Or maybe it was something else that i suggested, that he found many recruits telling him "sorry coach, I don't want to run that offense". It also could be that he got bored with the subject matter so to speak. I DON'T KNOW. What I do know is that when it comes to this particular topic, many presumably high quality HS football coaches start to sound like Uncle Rico in the stands. Not really the same as the “Uncle Rico’s” in the stands since we are speaking from experience and some insider knowledge
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Post by CS on Jan 21, 2024 11:01:02 GMT -6
its an internet meme....not booing Coach Ken Got it. So Boo in general- not boo this man. That at least makes a little more sense. I I just get confused by the fact that when Uncle Rico in the stands is criticizing a HS guy for his offensive play calling- that guy is an idiot and the HS coach knows whats up. But when a HS guy is criticizing a premier college coach for not running a certain offense- the COLLEGE GUY is the idiot- and the HS coach still knows whats up. May I point out he was premier when he ran the flex. It’s when he lost his way he got fired
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Post by CS on Jan 20, 2024 5:54:35 GMT -6
My senior season was in 2005. We did cals for about the first 15 minutes and than grass drills. After that we had stations, which was agility, ropes, monkey rolls, etc. We probably spent the first 45 minutes on these things. Than we'd have either offense/defense for the next hour, and then finished with some type of conditioning for the last 15 minutes. We probably got water 2-3 times during that time. Many students would be puking throughout grass drills and stations. We also had to practice on the "practice fields" that they didn't water. If we were lucky, we'd go to the practice field they watered once a week. I don't remember ever being taught how to tackle. We did the Eye Opener drill where we got concussions every time. At the time, we had about 4 good helmets each year that the captains got. Otherwise the rest got helmets from the 90s that were probably 15 years old. When I first got into coaching the kids called the “good” helmets when I played “buckets” 😂. That’s good doodoo You bring up a good point about tackling. We never did tackling drills. I was the force player in our defense and was never really taught how to do it.
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Post by CS on Jan 19, 2024 5:11:37 GMT -6
Their head coach left for another program. The head coach left to be the HC at one of the premier programs in the nation. Those are not the same things I don't follow. What are "not the same things". I was using UW as just one recent example of the the changes that have taken place in college football. Never in the history of college football has a team played for a CFP national championship- then seen their coach leave for another school. Did that ever happen in the days of the BCS or Bowl Coalition? When was the last time you saw a team play for a National Championship, and then have 19 players transfer out? 2024 is a vastly different environment for college football than just 2019. I don’t disagree with the fact that college football is vastly different right now but the argument has been used to defend prime for not necessarily being the POS that many on this board feel he is. I know nothing about him so don’t include me in that group. You using UW as an example implies that you are comparing the 2 situations and it’s just not the same. I also don’t understand why you care about the coach leaving UW for a blue blood program when the argument is whether or not prime is a pos and all the players and coaches hate him?
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Post by CS on Jan 18, 2024 19:02:55 GMT -6
Again, thank you for taking the time to express the other side in all this. You're likely right here. The NIL era has changed the game irrevocably and with it HS and youth football. * COACHING IS ABOUT CONTROL * Is dead. Welcome the new DO WHATCHA WANNA team dynamic. Attract athletes to your 18 month slumber party at Neverland Island is the recipe to just win some durn games. I'm not attempting to be facetious or smug here. If I've been paying attention thats just frankly where we are. CU is nuveau coaching that we should be paying attention to. Whenever the dinosaurs bring up the tenets of how it used to be done, we're educated the kids need their space to express and feel comfortable. The coach needn't take things that seriously because if the kids are happy everything will work out eventually. So WHAT should a head coach be doing in this climate? How can we learn to be better and adapt to this new executive leadership paradigm? Not intending to be hyperbolic. It sounds like our only goal is to turn and burn the roster 1.5 seasons like a JUCO because thats just how it be Well, look at UW. 10 days ago they were competing for the National Championship. In the 10 days since they have been completely gutted. 19 players have transferred out. Over 4,500 of receiving or rushing offense has declared early for the draft. Their HC left. It is just monumentally different. Why is everyone jumping all over a coach who is saying "eh, this school has been pretty bad for a pretty long time. Lets try something different" Their head coach left for another program. The head coach left to be the HC at one of the premier programs in the nation. Those are not the same things
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Post by CS on Jan 18, 2024 18:37:49 GMT -6
I think a lot of this may be regional too. I played my last HS game in 1997 here in Southern California, some has changed but not as much as many believe. -Pads were definitely bulkier back then, but its not as if teams today are running around in the pads you see in the NFL that look nearly non existent. - We played teams that ran power-I we played a lot of teams that ran spread. You see more spread now, but not a great amount more, we play teams that still run everything. But a lot fewer fullbacks being used. -I had NUMEROUS concussions while playing, you got your bell rung and you toughed it out. I think it causes me to forget stuff. Nowadays they don't pull that. - Summers back then were longer (mid June through Labor Day), now summers are shorter (back to school early August). That being written, kids now put in as much work in shorter time. We did two weeks of two-a-days right before school started, other than that we were about 8 hours a week throughout the summer. A mix of weights and 7-on-7. Kids now are 20+ hours a week throughout the summer. I laugh when my old HS buddies complain about kids today being lazy. - Sidelines today have tablets & flatscreen TVs to review what happened the previous series, we had a coach with a portable whiteboard. Only the QB got to take home opponents films, we got to watch them once on Mondays and then practice for that. -I had NUMEROUS concussions while playing, you got your bell rung and you toughed it out. I think it causes me to forget stuff. Nowadays they don't pull that. - We didn't have any organized student sections with its own dedicated speaker system to play music (separate from the actual PA system). At least I don't think we did. -We did lots of static stretches before games and practices. I also never played a game on turf. -I had NUMEROUS concussions while playing, you got your bell rung and you toughed it out. I think it causes me to forget stuff. Nowadays they don't pull that. -I'm sure I'll think of some more Yeah man I had plenty of concussions. Just kept playing.
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Post by CS on Jan 18, 2024 16:19:31 GMT -6
Love and miss shimels. I had huge pads. Team camps and 7 on 7 s weren’t a thing. We ran the wing t deleware style and nobody gave a fuk if we threw the ball on our team.
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Post by CS on Jan 18, 2024 9:51:08 GMT -6
Looks like football under 12 is on the way to being banned in CALI Interesting fuckkkk california in every way except the beauty and climate but that is {censored} up Absolutely
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Post by CS on Jan 18, 2024 9:40:32 GMT -6
Today I learned what LARP is and will now use it to describe the bag men, personal trainer, 7v8 coaches. (yes 7v8 cuz you run the 3-4 and drop 8 in passing league dip sh!ts) We send the 8th guy, just sometimes he is clueless and doesn't go! We have to make sure the fundraising kids get their reps!! Besides it gives you a realistic look of a delayed blitz. Not any worse then the offensive guys that send their RB straight up the middle at a full sprint, because they wouldn't have to get through all the traffic of the OL and DL to be able to run that. Or running crossing routes through the o/d line
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Post by CS on Jan 17, 2024 5:55:43 GMT -6
What things have you identified as "key success factors" and what things are you planning to evolve to be authentic? Re: Success #1 - Weight Room makes the whole thing go #2 - More is not better, make them excited for football when it's coming, don't do too much in your summer preparation #3 - What you do isn't as important as HOW you do it (scheme is overrrated) #4 - Run the Wing-T Re: Authenticity I haven't really thought of it as evolving things as much as just understanding that he and I are very different people and it would be wrong to try to be him. I'm going to have his voice in the back of my head for the rest of my career, but there's no way that I would be able to coach like him. It's kinda like the Patricia/McDaniels/Belichick thing, I can't just roll into the job and start doing things the way that I was mentored, recipe for failure. He may start a thread on your #4 reason for success
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Post by CS on Jan 16, 2024 5:38:25 GMT -6
It depends on what you’re going for and how much time you have
I feel like the dudes who really know ball pick one topic and teach it like they would teach their coaches.
I could speak for an hour on ncaa blitz and clinic tech and drills or I could just diagram our entire blitz package, be general, show some film and get to the bar
Unfortunately, most clinics I go to are full of the latter
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Post by CS on Jan 15, 2024 7:50:13 GMT -6
Basically describing the last week of my life. I was recently made the HC of my alma mater, following a man with 314 wins, 9 section championships, and a legacy as one of the best Wing-T minds in the country. We're going to keep some parts of what's made us successful, but I am also going to be making plenty of changes over time. You have to know yourself and be authentic, anything else is suicide. Recognize what's helped make the place successful, find a way to make those systems work for you, and then move things in the direction you want as well as you can. I've also had some experience doing this in a T&F setting and I'm basically describing the same blue print that I used there. If you try to be 100% the same as your predecessor, it's not going to work, you're not the same person. You have to be able to adapt what's been established to your personality and your overall vision for the program. Congrats!
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Post by CS on Jan 15, 2024 7:35:35 GMT -6
How many of you have been put in a similar situation that we are seeing at Alabama? I was, and failed miserably, however it was my first head coaching gig and I had 0 clue what to do (which had a larger part of my failure than following a legend). If you were successful, what did you do that led to that? Did you continue what your predecessor did, or did you strike out on your own path? I know ever situation is different, but I'm sure there are similarities as well. Just curious, as all week you've been hearing that real coaches aren't afraid to follow legends, and then the next talking head states he wouldn't want to be the guy that follows the guy. Just curious what most thought about that situation and if anyone has done it with any success? I followed a guy who was at the place for 18 years, lots of success but had been in decline, and he had never coached anywhere else. I’m not one to shy away from following a great football coach but I was fuking stupid for this one. In high school you really have to do your research and in my arrogance and impatience to be the guy I jumped at the job. So when I got there I found all the reasons why that dude left. In college at least you get to bring your own staff and recruit. Following Saban would be a tough one
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Post by CS on Jan 12, 2024 18:25:15 GMT -6
Went and watched some of his offense. It’s a lot like what Army was trying to do this year but with more shifts and motion. We will see how it works out but I have a feeling it will be exactly the same as we saw this year from Navy I've been following Cronic's offense for a while now. This year they got away from what they've been doing some, but since I coach in a hybrid Wing T offense, a lot of his stuff meshes with what we do. We've made the OL shift that he does a big part of our offense. Go back and watch some film on YouTube of when he was a Lenoir Rhyne. That was some of his best stuff and I hope he brings that to navy. Good mix of under center and gun and great series of jet, down and playaction under center. At Mercer he did a little more zone and RPO, especially this year and spent more time in the gun. As a Wing T guy, I'd love to see the Lenoir- Rhyne version of his offense at Navy. Here's a good film of when they played Carson Newman in 2019. Yeah I like that it’s different. Still reminds me a lot of what Army was doing this year with shifts and more motions
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Post by CS on Jan 11, 2024 17:15:29 GMT -6
The Saban defense in the last few years has opened my eyes to a whole new level of defense. Everything from the importance of different types of run fits instead of just static "Max fits" (which are highly problematic when you are playing some of the 2-high coverages), to the different types of coverage as far as man, spot zone, zone-match, and man-match, to his comprehensive gameplanning approach It's ironic to me that Saban has been quoted as saying he wants his gravestone to write here lies the man who couldn't figure out how to run 2-high coverage, and yet, he has created probably the most complete, comprehensive, and quality 2-high package of anyone in the country, particularly his man-match Quarters coverage family (Cover 7). A big fan of his modular approach to defense... There's "The Process"...That's probably the engine that keeps all the other machinery in the car running. He said he couldn’t figure out how to play cover 2
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Post by CS on Jan 11, 2024 5:19:05 GMT -6
Went and watched some of his offense. It’s a lot like what Army was trying to do this year but with more shifts and motion. We will see how it works out but I have a feeling it will be exactly the same as we saw this year from Navy
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Post by CS on Jan 8, 2024 16:40:44 GMT -6
Hardings Oline coach
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Post by CS on Jan 5, 2024 18:53:06 GMT -6
On one hand I love to see Army kick ass, especially going back to the flexbone. On the other hand, my grand dad played at the Naval Academy in the 60s so I’ve had an innate disdain toward Army growing up. I have an innate disdain for navy’s offense. Defense is spectacular
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Post by CS on Jan 5, 2024 13:41:46 GMT -6
Looks like my founding of the UC Flexbone Triple Option Guild has already started to pay off. Fellas make sure you don't drink and drive after the celebration... Not confirmed until after a vote by the AAC AD's. America is back
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Post by CS on Jan 5, 2024 5:11:31 GMT -6
I’m glad the coach resigned. Fuk those parents. I would usually assume there must have been something left out of the article but the fact the assistants also resigned says it all. I did see the one about the coach getting fired for her wardrobe. Something has to be going on behind the scenes IMO. I saw the pictures and didn’t think she looked unprofessional in any of them
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Post by CS on Jan 2, 2024 4:53:14 GMT -6
I’m happy if they just eat most of the time The amount of kids—who have access to food, mind you—that don’t eat is astonishing. Agreed
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Post by CS on Jan 1, 2024 19:31:32 GMT -6
Yeah that’s happening 🙄I truly despise private trainers. They have zero clue what it’s like out in the real world I’m gonna tell that kid on my team who lives in a run down trailer to eat grilled salmon and brown rice the night before the game Not everyone has the ability - but giving them ideas and suggestions is never a bad idea - chicken is on there too... I’m happy if they just eat most of the time
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Post by CS on Dec 31, 2023 6:28:53 GMT -6
Yeah that’s happening 🙄I truly despise private trainers. They have zero clue what it’s like out in the real world I’m gonna tell that kid on my team who lives in a run down trailer to eat grilled salmon and brown rice the night before the game
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Post by CS on Dec 21, 2023 12:24:48 GMT -6
Not that my intention is stir up trouble here. Yes, Monken ran his "old offense" against Coastal AFTER being accepted into the AAC. I'm not in Monken's head, but he has always struck me as an "I'll prove it" type of guy. Could it be he was sending a message to his new opponents? It is my opinion Army did what it had to do in order to bet accepted into the AAC, and Monken will run HIS offense HIS way, and any damn time he sees fit. Army could beat Navy running ANY offense this year (although they could use a little help defensively in late game coverage schemes), but was the offense Monken used against Navy (and most teams) just an additional headache AAC coaches will have to face next year? Because IMHO Monken proved against Coastal he could run his "old offense" at a moment's notice. He should run his old offense and throw the new one in the garbage
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Post by CS on Dec 18, 2023 19:19:25 GMT -6
I just hope you guys don't get a Cease and Desist letter from Jazdzewski or Cella. Cella can sugma
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