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Post by 19delta on Sept 14, 2017 12:56:43 GMT -6
Laquan Macdonald was executed by a cop and then the incident was buried by the supposedly "good cops" who were on the scene. Were it not for a single dash cam video that somehow escaped the evidence purge, the incident would have remained buried. If you don't think that is injustice, then I have to believe you are being willfully ignorant. And for some white guy to claim that people just need to suck it up and pull themselves up by their own bootstraps because he has heroically and single-handedly saved some black kid from generational poverty and violence is the height of arrogance and audacity. This is where you are wrong. Saving one kid, no matter the race, is better than none. We can teach integrity to our athletes. We can demonstrate integrity to our athletes. And we can expect our athletes to use what they have learned and seen. It is our responsibility to do these things. If not, how will they ever be able to follow team rules. Take the time to teach your athletes to do what's right so that you don't have these incidents occur in the future. What does that have to do with Laquan Macdonald? Are you saying that if he would still be alive if he had more integrity? Are you really blaming him for his own death? Have you seen the video and read the police testimony?
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Post by 19delta on Sept 14, 2017 12:19:06 GMT -6
Move back home - temporarily - until you can get back on your feet. Take the job that will pay 75% of your expenses (if you don't get the job at Tuesday hiring event). Have to give up coaching - temporarily. As someone suggested call credit card companies about lowering your payments. Do the same with student loans. GET RID OF THE CREDIT CARDS!! Come up with a monthly budget and live by it. You can't possibly be an effective coach and move on successfully with your life until you get your finances under control. Yeah. If you can't pay with cash, you don't need it. About 15 years ago, my wife hurt her back and couldn't work. Lost half our income and had 3 kids all under 4 years old. First thing we did was cancel every credit card. Also got rid of luxuries. No more satellite TV. No more case of beer or bottle of whiskey for college football games. No more going out to eat. Hell, I think all I ate for 6 months was ramen noodles with scrambled eggs and Tuna Helper! It sucked but we slowly paid down debt and learned to live without credit cards.
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Post by 19delta on Sept 14, 2017 12:04:30 GMT -6
If you really don't get why it is exponentially easier for some people (especially those who come from white, middle class families) to suck it up and pull themselves up then educate us all with actual facts, not your hysteria. You're saying that black people in America are doomed for failure, that they can't achieve anything on their own. That is an insultingly patronizing bigoted position. That, if someone were in poverty, they could work themselves out of it if they 1) pursue an education (not just going school) that leads to a skill 2) act financially responsible 3) contribute to society.....UNLESS THEY WERE BLACK SKIN TONED? and THIS....this is what you want your kids motivated to protest an anthem, pre-game ceremony, prayer, team dinner, etc because muh struggle? My quarterback demands we all wear black armbands to raise awareness against Joseph Kony's mercenary army Understanding that some people get to start the race of life closer to the finish line than others is not an excuse nor is it destiny. It is simply an admission that there are challenges that some of us never have to even comprehend. That for many people, the accident of birth puts them on a path to success that has substantially fewer obstacles than others have to overcome. Nothing more. Nothing less. It's the realization that issues that don't affect ME personally have profound impacts for OTHERS. On the other hand, your suggestion that people need to just suck it up and pull themselves up by their own bootstraps is analogous to the football coach whose biggest adjustment is to yell out, "Hit somebody!" over and over.
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Post by 19delta on Sept 14, 2017 11:24:21 GMT -6
for some white guy to claim that people just need to suck it up and pull themselves up by their own bootstraps because he has heroically and single-handedly saved some black kid from generational poverty and violence is the height of arrogance and audacity. I guess I don't understand what this means. Are you assuming what "race" I am? I'm not sure what you're insinuating, but your ad hominem is clear. how is this NOT the answer to life? people just need to suck it up and pull themselves up by their own.... are you saying that people shouldn't be responsible for their own lot in life? If you're advocating Law Enforcement reform, then be about that. Is that what teenagers are protesting our pre-game anthem for? If you're ham-fisting Law Enforcement with other disjointed emotional arguments, I think thats where justification falls apart for kids. Were you on fire about using your football teams for a political statement in 2007? If not, what changed? Certainly the only thing different now is instant social media that can sweep people up into hysterics based on emotional viral videos, regardless of actual historical trends Ultimately, THAT is what "handling this issue" comes down to. Examining the motivations for turning your team conduct into political platforms. Are we cool with using our team logo to combat gay rights, pet neutering, fixing city potholes, and whatever other outrage-du-jour we have at the moment? If you really don't get why it is exponentially easier for some people (especially those who come from white, middle class families) to suck it up and pull themselves up by their own bootstraps than it is for others, you are displaying a shocking level of ignorance.
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Post by 19delta on Sept 14, 2017 9:21:45 GMT -6
I hear this parroted over and again in this thread as the (self righteous) justificiation from dividing/deviating from the TEAM. WHAT "injustice" are you referring to that is backed up with statisitcal evidence? The attitudes and motivations behind these victim campaigns isn't about righting some wrong, its about political power thrust, like getting aggressively hostile with a McDonalds manager because you got pickles on your McCrap burger. There is no real crime, youre just forcing someone to give you attention while you see how far you can push things to your will (and,most importantly, not be accountable for your own actions) My son is 'black'. I can assure you there is nothing holding him back in society. The only thing that will hold him back is a lack of self-reliance and personal accountability. He isn't victimized by some inherent boogeyman system of supremacy. Quite the opposite, in fact The only way to be " oppressed" in America is to have no education (no skills), no job and have ridiculous financial overhead (have a kid). This is true regardless of race, sex or orientation If we're moving the goalposts and talking about police interactions, it isn't that difficult to comprehend. Police are not judges. When police stop you, that is not the time to plead your case or offer up your best Matlock defense. Idiots that can't comprehend this, have a bad time...but its their own fault. Regards to the football team National Anthem - Is there a difference between being in the stands as the audience and sitting vs being a member of the team on the field? Do you make a distinction there between what significance the position has? You'd have to ask yourself why is this now becoming a meme when things actually were much worse in America? You'll realize this is just a fad, just like Breast Cancer Awareness month where every kid on the roster has to be mummified in pink athletic tape. None of these kids are advocates of Breast Cancer and even if they were, the high school venue isn't the place. They're simply mimicking what the NFL bozos do Laquan Macdonald was executed by a cop and then the incident was buried by the supposedly "good cops" who were on the scene. Were it not for a single dash cam video that somehow escaped the evidence purge, the incident would have remained buried. If you don't think that is injustice, then I have to believe you are being willfully ignorant. And for some white guy to claim that people just need to suck it up and pull themselves up by their own bootstraps because he has heroically and single-handedly saved some black kid from generational poverty and violence is the height of arrogance and audacity.
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Post by 19delta on Sept 13, 2017 20:11:51 GMT -6
I generally agree with you. With that being said, where is the line (if there is indeed a line) between identifying those who have suffered actual injustice and those who are simply self-indulgent navel-gazers? And who gets to decide what is a legitimate grievance and what isn't? For example, I think most people would agree that what happened to Laquan McDonald at the hands of Chicago police is a legitimate injustice (if not an outright criminal act). On the other hand, what about something like this? nypost.com/2017/05/24/burrito-shop-closes-after-being-accused-of-cultural-appropriation/Certainly, to me, I find the second example ridiculous. But many people, obviously, do not. I'm not going to suggest that high school kids are going to start boycotting the cafeteria because the lunch ladies aren't heating up the right kind of frozen taco meat. But, if you are a head football coach and one of your duties is to foster an environment of conformity and unity, how do you decide what issues are important and what issues aren't? It can't be a free-for-all, can it? _______________________________________________________________________________________________ 19Delta, Good point. Again, not making an apples to apples comparison here, but for many who took part in the Civil Rights movement, they had to answer a few questions for themselves: -Am I serious enough about this cause to suffer the potential consequences i.e. arrest, physical harm, death, loss of friends etc. These are the kind of questions I'd like to ask a kid who is considering "kneeling". If a kid is willing to suffer the potential negative consequences, then that would indicate that he feels pretty strongly about it and it's not just a lark. That's great. A very thoughtful way of looking at these situations. I think about Muhammad Ali when he refused induction into the military. It cost him several years from the prime of his career. He obviously cared deeply about what he was protesting. He was a smart guy and he knew what the costs were going to be.
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Post by 19delta on Sept 13, 2017 19:15:28 GMT -6
so what are you basing any of your "evidence" on if you don't live in an American city? I am at a loss on how we reinforce the intent of competitive athletics, which is self-efficacy of constantly positively improving/contributing, while at the same time placating these wanton attitudes of endless victim-mentality that can only be addressed by further handicapping everyone (i.e. learned helplessness) take a step back from the facebook hysteria and recognize what this attitude feeds... Do these traits sound familiar? This is what we continue to reinforce to this generation and nurturing never-ending discontent, that its everyone else's fault and I'm not responsible for the outcomes in my own lifeBrophy, I'm with you on preaching personal responsibility, but if no one ever speaks up and points out injustice, there is not much chance of it changing. Pointing out injustice or perceived injustice is not the same as being a victim. I generally agree with you. With that being said, where is the line (if there is indeed a line) between identifying those who have suffered actual injustice and those who are simply self-indulgent navel-gazers? And who gets to decide what is a legitimate grievance and what isn't? For example, I think most people would agree that what happened to Laquan McDonald at the hands of Chicago police is a legitimate injustice (if not an outright criminal act). On the other hand, what about something like this? nypost.com/2017/05/24/burrito-shop-closes-after-being-accused-of-cultural-appropriation/Certainly, to me, I find the second example ridiculous. But many people, obviously, do not. I'm not going to suggest that high school kids are going to start boycotting the cafeteria because the lunch ladies aren't heating up the right kind of frozen taco meat. But, if you are a head football coach and one of your duties is to foster an environment of conformity and unity, how do you decide what issues are important and what issues aren't? It can't be a free-for-all, can it?
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Post by 19delta on Sept 13, 2017 18:55:58 GMT -6
We never had to deal with this when I played (60's). Why? Because most of our coaches were vets. We just finished fighting in Korea, and 20+ years earlier our fathers fought in WWII. Physical and mental toughness were considerable parts of our upbringing, and respect was never given...it was earned. And we always showed our respect for the country we lived in because our parents, our relatives, and their friends knew what fighting and dying for liberty was all about, and they shared that with us. We didn't know any different. But...Vietnam changed all that. A large number of my generation decided they wouldn't raise their children the same way. Then...Their children raised children, and now those children are raising children (the ones we are coaching and teaching today), and guess what? Three generations of change later...here we are! How kids are being raised today, and even 20 years ago, is polar opposite of what my generation, or previous generations grew up with. And it's damn sad to see. Irishdog, I would just point out that during the good old days your referring to, there were still Jim Crow laws and massive voter disenfranchisement of African Americans across a huge swath of our country. If it wasn't for people, non-violently protesting that kind of treatment, we may have never seen it change. i'm not trying to make an apples to apples comparison here, but the 60s were not a great time in U.S. History in the are of social equality. So, I can see how you might long for the good old days, but I hope you can acknowledge the great strides we've made in many areas. The "good ol' days" weren't so good for everyone, that's for sure.
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Post by 19delta on Sept 13, 2017 14:17:57 GMT -6
Take a look at the “That’s racist!” thread and see if you feel that those kids have a “right” to do that. The kids are doing something that many find extremely offensive on their own time, away from the school and showing no connection to the school or the football team. But they should be tossed from the football team. Now you’ve got kids kneeling during the national anthem – something that many find extremely offensive. And they’re doing it during a school sponsored activity as a representative of the school and the football team. What’s the difference? I would say the difference would be the genocide assumption that goes along with one. But, I could be wrong. Nice... 👍
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Post by 19delta on Sept 12, 2017 17:33:07 GMT -6
This is an honest question. Why is the National Anthem played before ball games anyways? I have zero problem with it. I think it is a good thing. But if we didn't do it, would we miss it or would we only miss it because it is part of the routine that we are accustom to? Where else do you ever hear the national anthem? I mean really, where else? Why would that be something that is only played at ball games? I am sure it is played at other things, but I really can't think of too many. It can't be because it is a place where the public gathers. We don't play it at church, concerts, movies, school (Pledge instead), plays, opera, Broadway, Festivals, Fairs, etc. Surely this just started somewhere and just built into a tradition. Is it like playing Sweet Caroline at every baseball game now? Again, I have no problem with it. But you have to admit, if we never played it and someone suggested that we should start playing it before every single sporting event, we would think that was odd. I love that we honor our country, military, and those who have fought and died for the country. I definitely don't want any one to disrespect the flag or national anthem. But why is it played before sporting events? Every time the National Anthem isn't played, somewhere, a bald eagle dies.
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Post by 19delta on Sept 12, 2017 9:00:32 GMT -6
why does that matter? What lengths are we willing to extend to any social media posts that are unrelated to the program? Are players extensions of the program? yes Are you willing to boot kids who post any questionable content online or just some? If just some, then what are you using for your selective application? I've seen countless teen social media posts that are downright criminal but we accept because we don't understand "the culture", so why accept questionable content from some but not others? To add to brophy , what if you know a kid on your team is racist? Maybe he's said a few passive agressive things in the past, flies a confederate flag on his truck and your non-white players don't like him. Kick him off? Or do you wait for him to post a picture of himself in a white hood on social media? Ok. I'll bite. The difference is that the kid who is displaying a Confederate flag on his truck is being passively racist. On the other hand, a kid who burns a cross in a field, brandishes a weapon, and hides behind the costume that historically was used by terrorists who brutally subjugated African Americans and other minority groups for over a century is engaging in active racism. The first kid...maybe he just needs a history lesson to learn about what the flag really means. The 2nd kid...he needs a complete deprogramming. All racism isn't equal. Kids who dress up as Klansmen and appear to joyfully revel in doing so are objectively worse than a kid who tells an occasional racist joke. Both need to be addressed, of course. But the path back from one is much longer than the path back from the other.
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Post by 19delta on Sept 12, 2017 8:04:49 GMT -6
The black kid who plays QB .... why does that matter? What lengths are we willing to extend to any social media posts that are unrelated to the program? Are players extensions of the program? yes Are you willing to boot kids who post any questionable content online or just some? If just some, then what are you using for your selective application? I've seen countless teen social media posts that are downright criminal but we accept because we don't understand "the culture", so why accept questionable content from some but not others? Because people who dress like those five kids did used to terrorize and murder black people.
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Post by 19delta on Sept 11, 2017 20:18:33 GMT -6
I couldn't think of a better way to reach out and change the lives of those that are misled. The majority of us are in this business to change lives, winning does help, and throwing the kids off the team is doing nothing but allowing them to continue to be misled. The coach should reach out to these kids and show them how their display of hate hurts so many people and that as a team you must be brothers. You have to watch out for each other, not hurt each other. I stated this on other post, coaches need to be more involved in character development. The black kid who plays QB (and many other kids on the team and in the school) has stated pretty clearly that he doesn't want those dickbags on the team. Don't you have a responsibility to the good kids who didn't get photographed dressed up as Klansmen?
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Post by 19delta on Sept 11, 2017 20:13:56 GMT -6
So, where does it end? If you kick them off the football team are they also not allowed to participate in basketball or any other sport? What if they are underclassmen? Never get to play again? Listen, I don't know everything in this situation and neither do any of you (at least I assume so). Further, I understand what was done was agregious, but at the same time wouldn't it be better to give these young men a chance at retribution? To redeem themselves? To learn and grow from a mistake they may have made? It's not like they're going away, they are still enrolled in the school. Given that all but one of the families are filing a lawsuit to get their little angels out of trouble, I would say that any lesson to learn will fall on deaf ears.
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Post by 19delta on Sept 10, 2017 6:05:36 GMT -6
If those boys are reinstated, sh!t better hit the fan. If I'm the coach and they're reinstated, I'm resigning on the spot. If I'm the QB, I'm transferring. Unreal that parents would try to defend the boys. Parents will defend their kids for almost anything. Also, who do you think they got those ideas from? No doubt.
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Post by 19delta on Sept 9, 2017 14:05:55 GMT -6
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Post by 19delta on Sept 4, 2017 16:38:07 GMT -6
Saying no ain't always easy! 😂
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Post by 19delta on Sept 1, 2017 3:48:57 GMT -6
RE: Next A-hole - Yeah, that's kind of what I'm thinking here as well. Minimal contact, my JV HC gets the honor here. Is she hot? I'll bet she's hot.
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Post by 19delta on Aug 28, 2017 21:33:50 GMT -6
I have use Xenith before in the past and I would highly recommend them. We never had any problems with them. I keep hearing about parts, and I'm wanting to ask the Ridell people how is parts easier for your program than Xenith? Xenith the parts are all the same with the helmets, with Ridell different helmets use different straps or snaps. Plus Ridell spits out a new style helmet every couple of years..and you guessed it..with new parts that only fit that helmet which becomes a pain to keep up with. I will never do business with Xenith again. Hands down, the WORST customer service of any major equipment supplier I have ever used. Absolutely brutal.
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Post by 19delta on Aug 26, 2017 19:25:10 GMT -6
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Post by 19delta on Aug 15, 2017 10:55:06 GMT -6
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Post by 19delta on Aug 11, 2017 8:48:16 GMT -6
I hate Xenith. Been probably 7ish years since I dealt with one but they were a fukin huge PITA to fix. And try to get them to call you back or respond to an email. Forget it. They are also the only equipment dealer I ever used that wouldn't accept payment by check. Had to pay everything by credit card or PO. I like the helmets. They are pretty cool. But I would rather have rusty railroad spikes hammered through my forehead than deal with their customer service again.
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Post by 19delta on Aug 9, 2017 21:46:50 GMT -6
Xenith helmets are pretty forgiving for fitting kids with big heads or kids with odd-shaped heads.
But their customer service is atrocious.
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Post by 19delta on Aug 7, 2017 7:51:08 GMT -6
I really don't think that the concussion issue is the MAIN driving force in declining numbers anymore. At one time I may have, but I just think that football is an institution, like many others, that just isn't that important any more. And before everyone goes ape chit crazy on me, I mean it isn't important in the minds of the kids because, frankly, I don't see it as important in the eyes of a lot of parents. Think of it as a parallel to the church. Back in the day, when there was nothing else around for community importance, people would work their butt off all week, and on Sunday they would go to church. Through the week, the church was probably an integral part of the community as well. Fast forward to today and there are a load of churches struggling mightily for members. Now the church message is the same, but it just doesn't resonate with as many folks as it used to. I see football, and a lot of other extra curricular activities for students, as the same thing. Back in our day, when the choices weren't as plentiful as to what you put your time and effort into as it is today, football meant something to the students, faculty and community. I don't think it does any more. You may have some pockets of growth, like the mega churches of today, but in traditionally stable schools and areas numbers are dropping like a rock. As far as what to offer the OP, sorry man, I got nothing. If you can't look in the pipeline and see a surge of players heading your way, it may just be time to move on. The church analogy is a good one. As society has become more secular, religious leaders have had to change their marketing strategy. Around where I live, the traditional churches are struggling. Congregations are typically very old and it is a real challenge to recruit younger members. On the other hand, the McJesus-style, nondenominational churches are doing pretty well. The reason is that those churches are specifically marketed to a younger generation. The religious message is minimized. The focus is on fun and friends. The competition for kids' time is really intense. As a football coach, if your numbers are really low, you have to ask yourself if you are doing enough to compete for those kids. Why should kids play football for you? What is so special about your program that kids need to spend all that time in the weight room and at 7 on 7s in the summer and then give up 2-3 hours every day after school for 3 months? I think that having a successful program, at least in regards to winning, is just a part of it. Winning is great, but, as some of the posts in this thread show, it can create problems. The more you win, the greater the expectations. To meet those expectations, the kids and coaches are going to have to work ever harder and give up even more time than they already do. So, the question is, what is it about your program that makes you unique among all of the other activities that are vying for kids' time? Why should they commit to you instead of someone else?
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Post by 19delta on Aug 6, 2017 19:25:24 GMT -6
Just have to ask but why does he have to change the number to play fb? He wouldn't be able to catch a forward pass or run any routes with an ineligible number.
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Post by 19delta on Aug 6, 2017 19:23:15 GMT -6
Saw a team once that had a player with an ineligible number on his jersey and an eligible number they could velcro on when they needed it. I didn't see it up close, just from the stands, but it had to be some heavy duty velcro. Haha, I would call a play to rip the velcro off after the snap- instantly making him ineligible. In all seriousness, why not just have him check in eligible when needed? In high school, eligibility is determined by jersey number. There is no reporting in as eligible
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Post by 19delta on Aug 6, 2017 18:53:46 GMT -6
Well originally I thought it was just a piece of fabric to convert a 6 into an 8. Even still, one player has a single fabric number sewn next to a printed number? It'll work, but I doubt it will look good. Yeah. Agreed. It would be better to just sew a number over the entire printed number.
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Post by 19delta on Aug 6, 2017 18:32:31 GMT -6
That sounds truly hideous. Really? How come?
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Post by 19delta on Aug 6, 2017 18:32:00 GMT -6
Yeah. I thought about that, as well. The numbers are printed, not sewn. With that being said, I wonder if there is some way to remove the printed number and put on another number. sew on a Patch OVER the printed on number on each side that would be pretty easy i think That's a good idea. Basically just get an embroidered number sewn on over the printed number?
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Post by 19delta on Aug 6, 2017 18:26:22 GMT -6
The problem is that we need a size large. So a kid who has a size large jersey with an eligible number would then be without a jersey as well. Unless that kid took an ineligible number. Is there anything that could be done in regards to tailoring? Can extra material be sewn into a medium to make it larger? I meant take a large jersey with an ineligible number and sew on different numbers, even just swapping the first digit. Of course if they're printed numbers you're SOL. Yeah. I thought about that, as well. The numbers are printed, not sewn. With that being said, I wonder if there is some way to remove the printed number and put on another number.
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