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Post by 19delta on Jun 15, 2020 13:06:17 GMT -6
I followed up on the twitter thread and it sounds a little bit like he was "walking back" some of his claims. I mean, nobody is buying and entire frosh team can do any of this. Just sayin. Did anyone look at the list of kids and their times? 27 of those kids took over an HOUR to complete the WOD. An hour. Guaranteed that almost every one of those kids did nowhere near that much physical activity at one time during the shut-down. 10 kids took over an hour and a half. 90 minutes doing that dumb-ass WOD. Those kids at the bottom of this list...Jaimee, Jose, and Art...really sorry for those boys. I can't believe that none of the adults there had the sense to shut this nonsense down. What makes this especially outrageous is that for weeks now, Coaching Twitter has been FILLED with admonishments by some highly respected coaches imploring coaches to take it slow and easy now that kids are coming back and to not try to make up all the "lost time". It appears that this guy did the exact opposite.
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Post by 19delta on Jun 14, 2020 8:02:39 GMT -6
Don't be this guy:
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Post by 19delta on Jun 8, 2020 8:39:33 GMT -6
How is it physically more demanding? You playing a different game than I played or coached? How is the mental load more? Zone blocking, for instance, has made OL monumentally easier IMO. In a lot of schemes, there's only 3-5 blocking schemes. Total. Hell, the spread was the rage to take thinking out of the game and "let athletes make plays in space". I also would disagree with distractions. I know I sound 1000 years old, bit we had video games. We had jobs. We had cell phones. We still played 2 and 3 sports. I hope you taught gym.
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Post by 19delta on Jun 7, 2020 8:50:46 GMT -6
I would argue conventional football wisdom says you should practice hard so games are easy. Yes. I agree with this. I think the BEST thing the FTC philosophy has done is to question the grinder approach and show that you DON'T need long, grueling practices and weekend coaches meetings to be competitive.
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Post by 19delta on Jun 6, 2020 17:41:43 GMT -6
I hate the whole, "lets do something" even it means nothing meaningful. If you feel so passionate about a cause or issue, find a way to have your kids do something meaningful and then don't worry about blasting every social media platform. I agree with this. It’s different, but when I was a head coach we did a community service project. Our ambitious ass. principal asked if he could come and take pictures to put on social media. I told him no. He was frustrated, but I told him we wouldn’t do it if it was going to be about publicity and not just helping others. Like when cops get videoed handing out candy to poor kids and it gets barfed all over social media. Ugh.
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Post by 19delta on Jun 6, 2020 9:47:11 GMT -6
I'm the parent of a senior. I am fvcking EXHAUSTED by fellow senior parents who will just not let this year go. I'm sick and tired of hearing about how these kids got "screwed". There has been so much nonsense the last few weeks...it's just ridiculous. Let. It. Go. A year from now, NO ONE will care who got to give speeches at graduation or who the prom king and queen are. Amen to this...I’m a little worried about the ability of some of the class of 2020 to move on. Probably parents more than kids. 100%
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Post by 19delta on Jun 6, 2020 9:46:48 GMT -6
What if your team unanimously approached you and said they wanted to do this? What if you played a power that week? What would you tell your team? Just curious. I would come up with other suggestions for them that would be far more beneficial. Maybe they can raise funds for BLM or write letters to policymakers or invite African American speakers to give a talk. I would ask the kids, "What do you hope to accomplish by simply taking a knee? How do you think this will help the cause?" My guess is that the kids will have a hard time answering that question with anythng more concrete than, "well, it's cool and other schools are doing it." I mean...let's face it. It really is a lazy form of protest. It doesn't really require anyone to do anything hard and, most importantly, it would be "safe" to do right now given the culture shift we have seen the last couple weeks. When Kaepernik did it, whether you agree or disagree with what he did, you have to credit his courage for putting himself out there and doing something that he had to know was going to create a ton of backlash. Similarly to Muhammad Ali. Taking a knee now? Meh. It's safe. Yeah...some people won't like it but, for the most part, there isn't going to be a whole lot of controversy. It's been done.
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Post by 19delta on Jun 6, 2020 9:25:05 GMT -6
FTC is all about speed. From what I know Holler is willing to sacrifice lifting lower body due to the recovery time that is required to get back to 100%. Thus it’s eating up days that could be used on sprint work. Now he’s not saying never lift, he knows lifting helps kids get stronger etc which helps get faster. But he’s saying at some point it comes down to do you want to be fast or strong? And if you’re focusing on speed you can’t be breaking kids bodies down in the weight room like a traditional strength coach does. I have never heard Tony Holler say or write ANYTHING positive about lifting in regards to speed. In fact, he has said and written, on several occasions, that lifting weights DOES NOT make kids faster. Actually, I should clarify this remark. I don't think Holler is necessarily anti-lifting as much as he disagrees with the idea that being lean and strong is the foundation of speed. I replied to one of his Twitter posts last year saying that I have had athletes who would lift but not run or jump all winter and still improved their 40 times and VJs by the spring. His response was essentially that I was mistaken because it is impossible to get faster without sprinting.
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Post by 19delta on Jun 6, 2020 5:07:01 GMT -6
Why do you feel it lacks a strength component? I’m asking because of how much research you’ve done and to make sure I understand. FTC is all about speed. From what I know Holler is willing to sacrifice lifting lower body due to the recovery time that is required to get back to 100%. Thus it’s eating up days that could be used on sprint work. Now he’s not saying never lift, he knows lifting helps kids get stronger etc which helps get faster. But he’s saying at some point it comes down to do you want to be fast or strong? And if you’re focusing on speed you can’t be breaking kids bodies down in the weight room like a traditional strength coach does. I have never heard Tony Holler say or write ANYTHING positive about lifting in regards to speed. In fact, he has said and written, on several occasions, that lifting weights DOES NOT make kids faster.
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Post by 19delta on Jun 5, 2020 19:44:39 GMT -6
I saw an air raid guy on Twitter today saying they were going to take a knee on first down their first play this season. He is really trying to get a national movement going with this, and he has like 4000 followers. I really wanted to ask why, as in what will it do to further anything but I didn't want to get roasted by the internet. My problem is I loathe symbolism and all of the #_____strong, and lights on the field for our seniors who don't get to play and so on. I believe it to be adults doing something to make adults feel good. So my question is, the Saturday morning after this happens will anything have changed? Does this guy want to do this so everyone will know that his program cares? I kind of feel this is akin to the pink out thing (symbolism, not issue). I am not against this or being a hater by any means, I just really don't believe stuff like this does anything. Please keep this civil guys, I think we all want the same thing, at least I hope we do. I just struggle with people doing something to be doing something. Fvcking nonsense. If you are playing a bum Week 1, I guess it would be easy to do...
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Post by 19delta on Jun 5, 2020 19:43:02 GMT -6
I'm the parent of a senior.
I am fvcking EXHAUSTED by fellow senior parents who will just not let this year go. I'm sick and tired of hearing about how these kids got "screwed". There has been so much nonsense the last few weeks...it's just ridiculous.
Let. It. Go. A year from now, NO ONE will care who got to give speeches at graduation or who the prom king and queen are.
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Post by 19delta on Jun 5, 2020 11:26:09 GMT -6
I think something that never really gets mentioned is taking inventory of the drills you run and what they are designed to do. If i'm working a reaction drill with the d-line why am I having them sprint to a cone that's a designated distance(usually 5 to 10 yards)? There are certain drills that don't need that extra running involved. You can cut down on the amount of running you do just by knowing where the kids need to run and where they don't The best conditioning I found for OL was driving the 5 man sled for 10-20 seconds. But that's not gonna get the likes on Twitter! 🙄
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Post by 19delta on Jun 4, 2020 10:14:57 GMT -6
I cannot get all in on FTC. I cannot get on board with RPR either. That said, conceptually, there are some things that I do like about FTC. Being fresh on Friday is obviously important, so important I have even given my teams Thursday practice off with only a team meal after school. I agree that you do not need 3 hour grueling practices. We try to get 2 hours tops, with 45 minutes of offense, 45 minutes of defense and 20 minutes of special teams, the remainder of the time is for transitions and wrap up clean up. We RARELY if ever tackle to the ground, all thud fit up. When we do team offense, we typically go vs, a static defense with bags to save the wear and tear on the body. For defense we typically do alignment vs. bags, walk and talk through the teams top 4 plays from their top 4 formations, and may run a few of those against our defense, but scout teams are usually so jacked you get very little from full speed defensive team. So no knock on FTC or RPR, I just cannot get fully on board with what they are doing. I've learned to focus on the content and to ignore the middle-schooler-who-gets-purple-hair-for-attention aspect of some of the more obnoxious self-promoters in the movement. If you do that, there are a lot of great ideas.
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Post by 19delta on Jun 3, 2020 7:05:51 GMT -6
I think that is HIGHLY dependent on what you mean by "conditioning". The FTC guys are really into developing among their athletes what they call "anaerobic speed reserve". My understanding is that they want to make guys as fast as possible through sprinting, not running. So, let's say, for example, a FTC team has a bunch of guys who sprint in training and run 4.75 consistently under optimal conditions with maximum rest. Now, those guys aren't going to be running 4.75 in the 4th qt. They might be running 4.85 or 4.9 or even 5.0. But, because they have trained to SPRINT, those 4.85s or 4.9s or 5.0s are STILL going to be faster than the other team because by the 4th qt, the other team is now running 5.2s or 5.5s or 6.0s. So, the FTC argument is that sprint-based training preserves (or maybe a better term is extends) speed over the course of a game than traditional football conditioning programming. At least that is my understanding. I could be completely wrong. Thats a good answer, and I usually agree with most of what I read from the FTC crowd (though I find Tony Holler to come off as condescending and one who intentionally misrepresents football coaches). My thought is, would there be a greater drop off in speed in the 4th qtr for an FTC exclusive team than one who balanced out this type of training with some more sprint based conditioning work. Don't get me wrong, Im not implying 20 minutes of Indian Runs or something of that nature, more like additional sprints or time of full go during practice without the prescribed rest period. In essence, my thought is this: 100M sprinters train differently than those who run 3200M; is what we do in a football game more similar to sprinting 100M or running 3200M? And if it is the latter, to what extent should we change our method of training away from what we stereo-typically view as FTC to better accommodate this? Once again, this isnt me advocating for 'the grind' which I agree is foolish. This is me looking at the football and wondering if we are more aerobic than what is being implied. I'm not an FTC guy so I'm speaking out of turn here but I would imagine that they would take issue with the idea of running sprints as conditioning without rest periods. For FTC guys, "sprinting" has a very specific definition. Anything that doesn't fit that definition falls into the category of "running". Regarding Tony Holler, he trains all of his 100m, 200m, and 400m guys essentially the same. According to him, he never has his sprinters run more than 200m in practice, even the 400m guys. For him, it's all about max speed. This is a pretty famous Holler quote that describes his approach: "If you train at 100 mph, 80 mph will seem comfortable. If you train at 60 mph, 80 mph will seem uncomfortable." My takeaway from that is if you are programming sprints without rest, then the players will not be able to go full-speed on each subsequent sprint because of fatigue. So, they are not "sprinting" because they aren't running at max speed. I don't know what the answer is. But, based on what I have read and watched on Twitter, this is my understanding of the FTC approach.
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Post by 19delta on Jun 2, 2020 21:58:25 GMT -6
Here is my question, and maybe its more for smaller school coaches who have guys going both ways, but to what extent is conditioning required for football players and is that training met with this program? I get not wanting to wear out your players, wanting them to be able to play at top speed. But how many sprints does a top track athlete have to perform at a meet compared to how many plays a football player needs to execute at top level (with whatever available reserves they might have)? My best players could be hitting 100 snaps a game, is this training best suited for that situation? I think that is HIGHLY dependent on what you mean by "conditioning". The FTC guys are really into developing among their athletes what they call "anaerobic speed reserve". My understanding is that they want to make guys as fast as possible through sprinting, not running. So, let's say, for example, a FTC team has a bunch of guys who sprint in training and run 4.75 consistently under optimal conditions with maximum rest. Now, those guys aren't going to be running 4.75 in the 4th qt. They might be running 4.85 or 4.9 or even 5.0. But, because they have trained to SPRINT, those 4.85s or 4.9s or 5.0s are STILL going to be faster than the other team because by the 4th qt, the other team is now running 5.2s or 5.5s or 6.0s. So, the FTC argument is that sprint-based training preserves (or maybe a better term is extends) speed over the course of a game than traditional football conditioning programming. At least that is my understanding. I could be completely wrong.
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Post by 19delta on May 25, 2020 3:11:43 GMT -6
Hello everyone I’m new to the board, just wanted to get an opinion on offseason activities. I will be going into my 3rd yr as a head coach (coaching the 10 yr olds this season). I don’t know if it’s just the area we live in or parents not thinking about football in the offseason or pure laziness, but I’ve tried to get the majority of my team to do offseason training, even just once a week ( here in Utah Mtn West Elite) does really good trainings on Sat. mornings & it’s really inexpensive, & I’ve offered all the rides to and from & can’t get more than 2 kids to do it ( besides my own two). I’ve put stuff on team snap when we go to our local high school to do workouts & still can’t even get a response. I’m very frustrated, I know some kids play other sports but not all of them & it just makes me feel like nobody appreciates the fact that I’m willing to work with/mentor their sons for free to help them individually & to help our football program. Any thoughts, ideas, advice?? This is a league for 10-year-olds? Like kids in 5th grade? What activities comprise these "off-season" workouts? Are off-season workouts common for youth football in your area? In most places of which I am aware, the concept of off-season training doesn't begin until the summer before 9th grade. 5th grade seems excessively early to me.
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Post by 19delta on May 21, 2020 10:20:29 GMT -6
Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha! $3,000 for about four and a half days in Hawaii. Some All-Star game...
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Post by 19delta on May 14, 2020 6:21:31 GMT -6
You'll be here in no time: I watched this a couple days ago. A few things really jumped out to me about Jim's garage gym: 1) He doesn't squat in a power rack. 2) He doesn't care about rusty barbells. 3) Anonymous people buy him expensive equipment and have it shipped to his house. 4) He has a BFS Mega Hex Bar. That is one of the greatest pieces of weight room equipment ever built.
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Post by 19delta on May 10, 2020 15:15:19 GMT -6
larrymoePrior to the shutdown, I'm assuming you were training at a commercial gym or at work. Given the time and effort you have put into your rack, do you see this as a permanent change? Or will you go back to your previous training location once stuff opens up?
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Post by 19delta on Apr 30, 2020 14:10:38 GMT -6
I'll be able to give some input, but I don't have final say. Anything you'd strongly suggest for the weight room? I'm advocating for more racks and less cardio/cable equipment, not just for football, but because they're a more efficient use of space. No reason the kid on the debate team taking personal fitness can't learn to squat, do cleans, etc. That's what I would do. As many racks with adjustable benches, barbells, and weights as possible. Other weight room equipment I would prioritize: - Good trap bars (something like a Rogue TB-2) - Foam plyo boxes - Landmine attachments - Spud kettlebell straps - Dumbbells 5lbs-100lbs
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Post by 19delta on Apr 30, 2020 11:29:00 GMT -6
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Post by 19delta on Apr 16, 2020 18:38:24 GMT -6
Looks pretty sturdy. Any video of that in "action"? Not that I am aware. With that being said, Joe Kenn wouldn't put his name on something that was crap, so I would be very confident in buying it. I have a rack that is quite similar in design out in my garage. I was initially concerned about stability because there isn't an extra cross piece that attaches the two main vertical pieces to the base to give extra support. However, those bracing plates at the bottom are really heavy-duty and came with three massive bolts. It is a solid design. My kid weighs 235lbs and he can do pull-ups easily on the rack. The only concern is that the rack is top-heavy. It definitely needs to be bolted down or at least set up against a wall so it won't move or top over when re-racking a loaded barbell. But that's also true about most half-racks. This is the rack I have out in my garage. It is sturdy. Those trapezoid-shaped bracing plates are really solid. This rack was about $150 cheaper than the Dynamic Fitness rack. drive.google.com/file/d/1IXsBCU9BWFDSBkQ0ImmTeUgueXa1DxCM/view?usp=sharingdrive.google.com/file/d/1b3se039WsYVYstuKogDWUvA0_csZPScf/view?usp=sharing
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Post by 19delta on Apr 16, 2020 11:20:16 GMT -6
the law is the law. If they tell you to shut it down, shut it down. If you do something as silly as that coach did, you deserve what is coming to you. We cannot all hide out forever though, which my bigger point. Agreed. But it can't be up to some high school football coach to decide when it's safe to come back.
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Post by 19delta on Apr 16, 2020 11:18:45 GMT -6
Yeah. Agreed. The discussion about the soundness of continuing the shutdown is completely moot in this case. It's simple. Schools are shut down and coaches can't have practices. This guy doesn't think that rule applied to him. Pretty cut and dry, IMO. True, but if it weren't for the rona, no one would have ever sniffed this story. He certainly wouldn't have gotten those warnings of fines and imprisonment he did. If it weren't for the rona, the kids and coaches would have been in school at 12:30 in the afternoon. Again...debating the necessity of the shut-down is not what this is about. The point is that this coach was explicitly directed to NOT have contact with players. Not only did he disregard that direction, he did it on school property in April when OTAs are expressly prohibited by the state high school association. That is inexplicable. I can't fathom what this guy was thinking. I do agree with you that if there wasn't a shut-down, this would have been a minor story.
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Post by 19delta on Apr 16, 2020 5:08:50 GMT -6
My wife works in a major University hospital and every day I'm terrified for her. To me, the alternative is putting a lot of people like her at risk. So, better than the alternative. This has nothing to do with whether quarantining is a good idea. This has to do with breaking the law. Yeah. Agreed. The discussion about the soundness of continuing the shutdown is completely moot in this case. It's simple. Schools are shut down and coaches can't have practices. This guy doesn't think that rule applied to him. Pretty cut and dry, IMO.
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Post by 19delta on Apr 16, 2020 4:58:07 GMT -6
Looks pretty sturdy. Any video of that in "action"? Not that I am aware. With that being said, Joe Kenn wouldn't put his name on something that was crap, so I would be very confident in buying it. I have a rack that is quite similar in design out in my garage. I was initially concerned about stability because there isn't an extra cross piece that attaches the two main vertical pieces to the base to give extra support. However, those bracing plates at the bottom are really heavy-duty and came with three massive bolts. It is a solid design. My kid weighs 235lbs and he can do pull-ups easily on the rack. The only concern is that the rack is top-heavy. It definitely needs to be bolted down or at least set up against a wall so it won't move or top over when re-racking a loaded barbell. But that's also true about most half-racks.
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Post by 19delta on Apr 15, 2020 10:47:03 GMT -6
This would be the cheaper route if you had the right tools I have been seeing a ton of these on Twitter. Some really handy and creative people out there! I am not one of them, however!
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Post by 19delta on Apr 14, 2020 9:39:23 GMT -6
And Sorinex just released an "off grid" rack:
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Post by 19delta on Apr 14, 2020 9:37:09 GMT -6
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Post by 19delta on Mar 15, 2020 21:42:34 GMT -6
I'm betting that most of you young dudes who are teachers will be dads by Christmas... 😂
Not the ones with kids at home 24/7...
I've got 3 boys at home. Pretty easy to find 2-3 minutes...😂
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