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Post by kylem56 on Feb 28, 2023 19:44:40 GMT -6
hey coaches, I was having a conversation with another coach tonight about how alot of the times, we recall the offense of great teams we coached against in our careers. My question for you is
What was the best defense you coached against in your career? What was their scheme? Did they have D1 talent or just well coached?
Any stories would be appreciated. I am curious to see what the common traits of these teams will be. thanks in advance, take care
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Post by mattharris75 on Feb 28, 2023 19:47:08 GMT -6
Probably the one with Kerryon Johnson playing safety...
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Post by larrymoe on Feb 28, 2023 20:04:46 GMT -6
hey coaches, I was having a conversation with another coach tonight about how alot of the times, we recall the offense of great teams we coached against in our careers. My question for you is What was the best defense you coached against in your career? What was their scheme? Did they have D1 talent or just well coached?
Any stories would be appreciated. I am curious to see what the common traits of these teams will be. thanks in advance, take care The best defense I ever coached against was a wing t offense that never gave us the football. Only allowed us 9 offensive plays in the 2nd half of a 2nd round playoff game. Went in averaging 45pts a game. Left with 15. They beat us at our own game. The only scheme that really gave us problems was a team who ran a 4-2, 4-4 is scheme who would blitz both A gaps frequently. Really messed with our inside run game. Eventually we just cut our splits down and ran a crap to of toss. |
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Post by tog on Feb 28, 2023 20:06:02 GMT -6
denton ryan
the scheme wasn't anything special
the players were
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Post by jstoss24 on Feb 28, 2023 20:46:55 GMT -6
College? University of Mary Hardin-Baylor. They had D1 talent all over the field.
High school? I haven’t seen many great defenses, but Grand Rapids Catholic Central in the mid-2010s had pretty solid defenses that were overshadowed by their great offenses. They had a handful of D1 players (and a couple future NFL players) and were incredibly well coached.
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Post by 44dlcoach on Feb 28, 2023 21:38:01 GMT -6
I'm a defensive coach, but the best one I've watched from our sideline was one that was good enough to live in Cover 0 all game. Everything was hard against that. They schematically outnumbered us in the run game, and that let them keep their fits really simple and consistent. Their kids knew exactly what they were expected to do every play and beat the living crap out of us in the run game, and it was easy for them to outnumber our protection if they needed to in the passing game.
Full disclosure this is a perennial top team in the nation, so yes they had a ridiculous physical talent level, but were also great at executing what they were doing. From my perspective though it all started by being able to line up every play and know they could hold up in Cover 0.
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Post by groundchuck on Mar 1, 2023 9:29:15 GMT -6
The 6-2 Stack Monster that Ampipe ran against Walnut Heights in 1983. Sorry I could not resist.
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Post by silkyice on Mar 1, 2023 10:45:12 GMT -6
This is a no brainer for me. This was by FAR the best defense I have ever seen. Not even close. The first team D gave up 4 scores all season. They had over 10 defensive TD's. We had one first down the first time we played them and won 10-7 on a walk off FG in the semi's.
Inside LB's went to Clemson and South Alabama.
Corners went to Clemson and Troy.
Safeties went to Tennessee and a d3.
Outside backers went to ASU and Point.
DE's both went to North Alabama.
Nose went to Wofford.
Yes, all 11 playing college ball.
Well coached also. Good solid scheme. Excellent technique, reads, and discipline by every single player.
And we were 3A ball at the time with only 190 in our high school.
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Post by coachcb on Mar 1, 2023 10:55:48 GMT -6
The 6-2 Stack Monster that Ampipe ran against Walnut Heights in 1983. Sorry I could not resist.
Too bad Coach Fox screwed that game up for them.
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Post by MICoach on Mar 1, 2023 11:07:01 GMT -6
I'm a defensive coach, but the best one I've watched from our sideline was one that was good enough to live in Cover 0 all game. Everything was hard against that. They schematically outnumbered us in the run game, and that let them keep their fits really simple and consistent. Their kids knew exactly what they were expected to do every play and beat the living crap out of us in the run game, and it was easy for them to outnumber our protection if they needed to in the passing game. Full disclosure this is a perennial top team in the nation, so yes they had a ridiculous physical talent level, but were also great at executing what they were doing. From my perspective though it all started by being able to line up every play and know they could hold up in Cover 0. We have a team in our conference that has traditionally taken a similar approach - Cover 0/1 almost all the time, but they'll change up the front, angle, and blitz a million different ways. I feel like a lot of the time there isn't much scheme to it (or it's wildly over my head), but when they have the talent they are downright oppressive to run an offense against. A different box every play can be tough for high school OL's. Another team that was formerly in the conference did some similar things but more structured. They were generally a quarters team out of a 4-2-5 but their DL would run a lot of stunts and for a couple years they had a couple absolute stud linebackers that would shoot any crease and run you down from behind. Both were a real pain to play against. |
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Post by Down 'n Out on Mar 1, 2023 15:09:49 GMT -6
A local team runs a 5-2 and have it down to a science. They don't change fronts, they do what they do and are very well coached with every adjustment necessary. They stay in either Cover 0 or 1. They have the a ton of talent and speed, much more speed than us so it seems like they're playing with 14 out there.
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Post by tripsclosed on Mar 1, 2023 19:37:08 GMT -6
A local team runs a 5-2 and have it down to a science. They don't change fronts, they do what they do and are very well coached with every adjustment necessary. They stay in either Cover 0 or 1. They have the a ton of talent and speed, much more speed than us so it seems like they're playing with 14 out there. Speed is killer, you watch UGA right now vs a mid tier SEC team, when UGA is on defense, any flats, swings, bubbles, etc, the defense is right there, 1 yard gain tops, maybe a loss of a yard or 2...No chance |
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Post by 19delta on Mar 1, 2023 21:05:36 GMT -6
The 6-2 Stack Monster that Ampipe ran against Walnut Heights in 1983. Sorry I could not resist.
Too bad Coach Fox screwed that game up for them.
Nickerson. 😉 |
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Post by 19delta on Mar 1, 2023 21:18:14 GMT -6
2018 Illinois Class 2A semifinals. Gibson City, Melvin, Sibley (GCMS) @ Eastland Pearl City (EPC).
Second smallest of the 8 classes in Illinois. Usually in small school Illinois football, the really good teams have 2-3 really good players and then everyone else is solid to above average. But GCMS had 11 dudes…there was not one guy out there whom you said to yourself, “We can take advantage of that guy”.
EPC was very good, too. No bad players, either. But GCMS was really special. They won the game 14-6 or something like that and went on to win the state title the following week. That program did not lose a football game in consecutive seasons (2017-2018) and went 56-6 with 2 state titles from 2015-2019.
I’ve never seen anything like that in small school football.
I was not coaching in that game. Just a spectator.
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Post by larrymoe on Mar 1, 2023 22:17:04 GMT -6
2018 Illinois Class 2A semifinals. Gibson City, Melvin, Sibley (GCMS) @ Eastland Pearl City (EPC). Second smallest of the 8 classes in Illinois. Usually in small school Illinois football, the really good teams have 2-3 really good players and then everyone else is solid to above average. But GCMS had 11 dudes…there was not one guy out there whom you said to yourself, “We can take advantage of that guy”. EPC was very good, too. No bad players, either. But GCMS was really special. They won the game 14-6 or something like that and went on to win the state title the following week. That program did not lose a football game in consecutive seasons (2017-2018) and went 56-6 with 2 state titles from 2015-2019. I’ve never seen anything like that in small school football. I was not coaching in that game. Just a spectator. They had 2 or 3 D1 athletes on that team didn't they? 2 UofI guys and a basketball player I think. We played that McNutt group when they were freshmen in a JV game. We were undefeated JV wise and they beat us by a couple scores. I thought we'd played terrible to have lost to a bunch of freshmen and was kind of irritated.I talked to their HC after the game and he told me they hadn't lost in JFL ever. |
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Post by 19delta on Mar 2, 2023 2:43:57 GMT -6
2018 Illinois Class 2A semifinals. Gibson City, Melvin, Sibley (GCMS) @ Eastland Pearl City (EPC). Second smallest of the 8 classes in Illinois. Usually in small school Illinois football, the really good teams have 2-3 really good players and then everyone else is solid to above average. But GCMS had 11 dudes…there was not one guy out there whom you said to yourself, “We can take advantage of that guy”. EPC was very good, too. No bad players, either. But GCMS was really special. They won the game 14-6 or something like that and went on to win the state title the following week. That program did not lose a football game in consecutive seasons (2017-2018) and went 56-6 with 2 state titles from 2015-2019. I’ve never seen anything like that in small school football. I was not coaching in that game. Just a spectator. They had 2 or 3 D1 athletes on that team didn't they? 2 UofI guys and a basketball player I think. We played that McNutt group when they were freshmen in a JV game. We were undefeated JV wise and they beat us by a couple scores. I thought we'd played terrible to have lost to a bunch of freshmen and was kind of irritated.I talked to their HC after the game and he told me they hadn't lost in JFL ever. Yes. I think that is correct. I don’t know if any of them every panned out, though. What impressed me the most about them was how big and strong they were. It was visually evident that they spent a lot of time in the weight room doing the right things. They could have easily passed for a decent D3 team just getting off the bus. |
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Post by larrymoe on Mar 2, 2023 6:38:33 GMT -6
They had 2 or 3 D1 athletes on that team didn't they? 2 UofI guys and a basketball player I think. We played that McNutt group when they were freshmen in a JV game. We were undefeated JV wise and they beat us by a couple scores. I thought we'd played terrible to have lost to a bunch of freshmen and was kind of irritated.I talked to their HC after the game and he told me they hadn't lost in JFL ever. Yes. I think that is correct. I don’t know if any of them every panned out, though. What impressed me the most about them was how big and strong they were. It was visually evident that they spent a lot of time in the weight room doing the right things. They could have easily passed for a decent D3 team just getting off the bus. I think one of the kids hung on at Illinois. I remember seeing something about him last season IIRC. If you have time you should look up McNutt. He appears to have gotten relatively deep into "supplements". |
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Post by coachcb on Mar 2, 2023 8:07:26 GMT -6
Too bad Coach Fox screwed that game up for them.
Nickerson. 😉
Blasphemy! Go Screaming Eagles!!!
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Post by CoachR on Mar 2, 2023 8:15:25 GMT -6
We have a local team that plays almost every snap of the game in press man-free and has at least one SEC signee on defense every year. Nothing ever stands out about their scheme, they don't even always do things fundamentally sound, but their talent level across the board on that side of the ball is hard to match.
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Post by bulldogsdc on Mar 2, 2023 9:21:38 GMT -6
APK 2001
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Post by dubber on Mar 2, 2023 10:35:26 GMT -6
If Rifleman would’ve taken that knee…..
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Post by nhsehs on Mar 2, 2023 11:43:05 GMT -6
Great defense in 01 for sure. Nobody over 200 lbs made it even more impressive. 2019-21 APK could’ve punted on 1st down and gone over .500. |
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Post by raider92 on Mar 2, 2023 12:17:44 GMT -6
Much like the other posts the best defenses I've ever encountered have been loaded with talent and played cover 0/man free.
I think more interesting though is teams that are great defensively without out-talenting everyone. There are 2 wrestling powerhouses in the area here who are always incredible on defense. You midwest guys know; kicka$$ wrestlers make kicka$$ defensive players.
One of them is 4-3 Over team and plays Quarters with a Solo trips check basically every down. The other is a 5-2/5-3/Bear team and plays 0 or Man Free every down. Both tackle unbelievably well and are really tough defensively even in years when the overall talent is just average. Both have been consistent playoff teams and have made some deep runs but dont have the top end talent to really score much against the best teams in the state. Their defense gives them a chance against anyone though.
Having a truly great wrestling program is, along with the weight room, unbelievably effective at raising the floor of a program. It would take a calamity on offense for them not to finish above .500 with the kind of defenses they put on the field every year.
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