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Post by poundit52 on Feb 7, 2022 21:14:21 GMT -6
I’m kind of curious how other football programs delegate coaching staff involvement during summer workouts. I’ve coached at a few different programs. While some had a minimum amount of activities a coach was expected to be at, others had a sign up system for coaches on the summer calendar, and another just rolled with whoever showed up. Based on your experiences, what are realistic staff expectations for the summer?
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Post by cqmiller on Feb 7, 2022 21:25:49 GMT -6
I am the HC... I am there 99% of the time. If I'm not there, it is because my children have games/tournaments or things that I can't do at another time.
I expect coordinators to be there about as often as me... we do an hour workout and an hour of on-field work. The coordinators have to be able to run the stuff on the field.
Position coaches need to be there if they can, but it is okay if we setup a rotation. If the LB coach can only go into work later on Mondays, but not the other 3 days a week, then he can come on the day he can. Most of my coaches are NOT teachers, so asking them to miss work for something that literally pays peanuts is not something I like to do.
We go from 7am-9am Monday-Thursday during the summer. Community we are in has kids who NEED summer jobs to pay bills at home, so we tell them to get job that starts at about 10am if possible. They get the weekends to themselves. Only 1 Saturday 7on7 and lineman competition. Coaches know if they can go into work at 9:30 Mon-Thu, they can literally be at all the workouts, get football in, then go to work and hang with the family after work.
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Post by agap on Feb 7, 2022 22:36:18 GMT -6
We have trainers run our weight room but the HC and another AC are usually there. As DC, I go to everything else which includes a camp in June, a camp in July, either 7-on-7 tournament or league, and usually a Team Camp in July. It depends on the year who shows up. This past summer, we were missing half our coaches for a camp; other years, everyone was there.
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Post by bucksweepdotcom on Feb 8, 2022 5:11:38 GMT -6
We are there Monday - Thursday 6am to 9am (Some kids come early to get out at 8am for work). Tuesday is a full team practice 7 - 9am. I am there every day. I ask for the assistants to come for the Tuesday practice and at least one other day.
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Post by realdawg on Feb 8, 2022 6:33:14 GMT -6
We got Monday thru Thursday as well. We generally spend an hour a day on the field and rotate which side of the ball we are working each day. I ask our coaches to come the days we are practicing the side of the ball they coach unless they happen to be on vacation.
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Post by CanyonCoach on Feb 8, 2022 8:48:44 GMT -6
Summer:
Our weight program is for credit and there are 3 coaches there for the sessions that are graded. HC for football and the HC for basketball and the strength and conditioning coordinator. Strength coach and a trainer take 2 additional sessions (mostly in coming 9th graders and girls).
Summer football is a couple evenings a week and most of the staff is attends. No team camp. At least the HC goes to the individual camps in the area and drives a bus full of kids.
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Post by bbrown2804 on Feb 8, 2022 12:29:14 GMT -6
Pretty simple for us during the summer: be there more often than not. In other words, since we go Mon-Thurs during summer workouts, you should be there 2-3 of those days per week. HC was always there and a few assistants that lived in town and didn't have small kids were usually there every day or at least three days a week.
We really emphasized that coaches in the weight room means kids will be in the weight room. If coaches don't bother to show up, why should they?
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Post by bluboy on Feb 8, 2022 19:13:12 GMT -6
"...coaches in the weight room means kids will be in the weight room. If coaches don't bother to show up, why should they?" Great point!!!
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 9, 2022 5:26:24 GMT -6
Pretty simple for us during the summer: be there more often than not. In other words, since we go Mon-Thurs during summer workouts, you should be there 2-3 of those days per week. HC was always there and a few assistants that lived in town and didn't have small kids were usually there every day or at least three days a week. We really emphasized that coaches in the weight room means kids will be in the weight room. If coaches don't bother to show up, why should they? What is their purpose? If the policy is simply “be there more often than not” clearly there is no set assignment of duties. Are they literally just there to give an appearance of caring? |
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Post by IronmanFootball on Feb 9, 2022 6:47:21 GMT -6
I am the HC... I am there 99% of the time. If I'm not there, it is because my children have games/tournaments or things that I can't do at another time. I expect coordinators to be there about as often as me... we do an hour workout and an hour of on-field work. The coordinators have to be able to run the stuff on the field. Position coaches need to be there if they can, but it is okay if we setup a rotation. If the LB coach can only go into work later on Mondays, but not the other 3 days a week, then he can come on the day he can. Most of my coaches are NOT teachers, so asking them to miss work for something that literally pays peanuts is not something I like to do. We go from 7am-9am Monday-Thursday during the summer. Community we are in has kids who NEED summer jobs to pay bills at home, so we tell them to get job that starts at about 10am if possible. They get the weekends to themselves. Only 1 Saturday 7on7 and lineman competition. Coaches know if they can go into work at 9:30 Mon-Thu, they can literally be at all the workouts, get football in, then go to work and hang with the family after work. Where are you located and do you need an AC? I'm only like 1/3 joking, 2/3 serious |
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Post by bbrown2804 on Feb 9, 2022 7:30:59 GMT -6
Pretty simple for us during the summer: be there more often than not. In other words, since we go Mon-Thurs during summer workouts, you should be there 2-3 of those days per week. HC was always there and a few assistants that lived in town and didn't have small kids were usually there every day or at least three days a week. We really emphasized that coaches in the weight room means kids will be in the weight room. If coaches don't bother to show up, why should they? What is their purpose? If the policy is simply “be there more often than not” clearly there is no set assignment of duties. Are they literally just there to give an appearance of caring? Nah man, we all just sit around and stare at each other.
We have a set routine that our kids go through for summer workouts, our coaches all know what that routine is, and we ensure that kids are accountable and pushing themselves both during the weight room phase of our workouts and the conditioning phase.
As for the "appearance of caring," I will once again say that if you are a coach that can't bother to show up to a majority of lifting sessions in the summer then you can't blame a kid who questions why it's important that they show up. Being there, interacting with the kids on a daily basis, and pushing them in the weight room is literally showing that you care. Not just "giving the appearance".
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Post by bulldogsdc on Feb 9, 2022 7:44:05 GMT -6
If I had to wake up at 5:00 AM all summer to be at weights I think I would quit.
If you are in town, be at weights.
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Post by Defcord on Feb 9, 2022 8:13:37 GMT -6
If I had to wake up at 5:00 AM all summer to be at weights I think I would quit. If you are in town, be at weights. Where I was the last 3 years we had to get up earlier for weights during the summer than we did for the school year. I got days so I didn't mind it but 6 coaches didn't get paid at all. I always thought it was unfair to those guys. I am getting to a point where asking a grown man to work for free bugs me a little. I do it cause I love it and a lot of guys do, but as a head coach if I asked guys to work I sure would like to be able to pay them. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 9, 2022 9:08:14 GMT -6
What is their purpose? If the policy is simply “be there more often than not” clearly there is no set assignment of duties. Are they literally just there to give an appearance of caring? Nah man, we all just sit around and stare at each other. Is that what you do at practice as well? Or is an organized plan in place outlining each coach’s individual duties and responsibilities. The way you presented it - everything would go just as smoothly with two coaches as with 5 as with 10. Based on “more times than not”- seems like on any random day you could have that situation. Why not just set a schedule where coaches are assigned to be there more days than not? Just seems more productive and professional than come more often than not |
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Post by cqmiller on Feb 9, 2022 10:10:18 GMT -6
I am the HC... I am there 99% of the time. If I'm not there, it is because my children have games/tournaments or things that I can't do at another time. I expect coordinators to be there about as often as me... we do an hour workout and an hour of on-field work. The coordinators have to be able to run the stuff on the field. Position coaches need to be there if they can, but it is okay if we setup a rotation. If the LB coach can only go into work later on Mondays, but not the other 3 days a week, then he can come on the day he can. Most of my coaches are NOT teachers, so asking them to miss work for something that literally pays peanuts is not something I like to do. We go from 7am-9am Monday-Thursday during the summer. Community we are in has kids who NEED summer jobs to pay bills at home, so we tell them to get job that starts at about 10am if possible. They get the weekends to themselves. Only 1 Saturday 7on7 and lineman competition. Coaches know if they can go into work at 9:30 Mon-Thu, they can literally be at all the workouts, get football in, then go to work and hang with the family after work. Where are you located and do you need an AC? I'm only like 1/3 joking, 2/3 serious Salt Lake City Can't find coaches because of the time commitment, which I feel is not that bad compared to what I know some guys have. Trying to rebuild a terrible program the past 3 years. I'm 8-22 the last 3 years... if we go 7-3 this year, I'll be the 2nd all-time winningest coach (by %) in school history. If I go 5-5 for the next 5 years I'll be 2nd all-time in total wins. I need coaches bad... |
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Post by bbrown2804 on Feb 9, 2022 10:22:44 GMT -6
Nah man, we all just sit around and stare at each other. Is that what you do at practice as well? Or is an organized plan in place outlining each coach’s individual duties and responsibilities. The way you presented it - everything would go just as smoothly with two coaches as with 5 as with 10. Based on “more times than not”- seems like on any random day you could have that situation. Why not just set a schedule where coaches are assigned to be there more days than not? Just seems more productive and professional than come more often than not That's actually not how I presented it.
The person that created this thread asked how teams decide who's at lifting and who's not. That's how we determined it and it worked for us while also ensuring that during June and July coaches had flexibility to spend time with their families or take care of what they needed to during the week.
It allowed us to take a losing team to back-to-back conference championships and a regional title. That has nothing to do with being great coaches or that we had incredible Xs and Os. It was a testament to the fact that we had an effective weight and conditioning program that kids bought into to the tune of attendance at 90% or higher throughout the offseason. Most of our kids would tell you that seeing coaches there and involved is a big reason why they made sure never to miss. They felt the coaches took it seriously, so they did.
I didn't lay out our explicit responsibilities or our in-season responsibilities because that wasn't the question that was asked. Maybe that wouldn't work for you, but it worked for us.
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Post by coachcb on Feb 9, 2022 11:33:48 GMT -6
When I was HC, myself the OC were at all weight training sessions. The position coaches weren't required to be there but they showed their faces once or twice per week. Everything was set up so that one coach could run the whole show with few issues. Two coaches knocked it down to no issues.
I do agree that having the majority of the staff there is extremely important. But it's a Catch-22 as it's the off-season. Their attendance can't be mandated as it's the off-season and some guys just can't make it. So, the key is hiring coaches that want to be there as much as possible. Not an easy task in some communities.
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Post by bulldogsdc on Feb 9, 2022 11:54:12 GMT -6
Where are you located and do you need an AC? I'm only like 1/3 joking, 2/3 serious Salt Lake City Can't find coaches because of the time commitment, which I feel is not that bad compared to what I know some guys have. Trying to rebuild a terrible program the past 3 years. I'm 8-22 the last 3 years... if we go 7-3 this year, I'll be the 2nd all-time winningest coach (by %) in school history. If I go 5-5 for the next 5 years I'll be 2nd all-time in total wins. I need coaches bad... Do you hire non LDS teachers? |
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Post by mnike23 on Feb 9, 2022 12:06:51 GMT -6
as a HC, obviously at every workout. running them to my vision. as an asst. I was at every workout, doing what the HC asked me to do, running, weights, agilities, etc.
I would tell my coaches, you come if you want. if you want to be good/better, you will be there. if your ok with 3-7, 2-8, then it will be me working my tail off. cant be upset on friday nights, if you didnt put in the work for offseason/weekends/thru the week.
same thing I would tell the kids. dont cry after a loss, but miss half the summer workouts doing other things.
as an asst, I wanted to be there to take some off the plate of the boss, learn more, and to build a rapport.
ive been paid 1 time in 29 yrs in the summer.
coaches have to want to be there just like the kids.
now circumstances are and can be different in every situation (non teacher, etc)
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Post by cpcollet on Feb 9, 2022 12:11:06 GMT -6
We go Monday, Tuesday and Thursday from 815-1015 AM for Varsity. We do 2 Wednesday evening 7 on 7 and have nothing Friday, Saturday and Sunday all Summer. A few of our AC'S are there regularly. If they can't be there because of work no worries. Those guys have bills to pay.
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Post by bluboy on Feb 9, 2022 12:21:04 GMT -6
As a young assistant (a millennium ago), I learned that I was expected to be at every workout, 7 on 7, meeting, and organized team activity unless excused by HC or extenuating circumstance. I felt then, and still feel now, that being present at all the above activities is part of implied expectations of being a football coach.
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Post by cqmiller on Feb 9, 2022 12:27:27 GMT -6
Salt Lake City Can't find coaches because of the time commitment, which I feel is not that bad compared to what I know some guys have. Trying to rebuild a terrible program the past 3 years. I'm 8-22 the last 3 years... if we go 7-3 this year, I'll be the 2nd all-time winningest coach (by %) in school history. If I go 5-5 for the next 5 years I'll be 2nd all-time in total wins. I need coaches bad... Do you hire non LDS teachers? I brew my own beer... staff meetings at my house can be quite fun... 250+ bottles at any given time. |
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Post by CoachSP on Feb 9, 2022 12:40:17 GMT -6
Do any of you HCs worry about burnout as it pertains to your staff and summer expectations?
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Post by wolverine55 on Feb 9, 2022 12:46:00 GMT -6
Do any of you HCs worry about burnout as it pertains to your staff and summer expectations? Our summer demands honestly aren't much compared to some teams I know of. We go Monday-Thursday with about an hour of weights and an hour on the field. We have 3-4 7 on 7s and one full contact team camp worked in as well. The problem is we go from 7:30-9:30. So, I spend most of the summer waking up at the same time I wake up during the school year. I've said for years that if/when I leave coaching, it'll be due to the increased summer demands as opposed to the in-season grind. I'll eventually get to the point where I want to spend my summers jogging early in the morning, reporting to the golf course after that, and quite frankly not doing anything else, lol! |
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Post by IronmanFootball on Feb 9, 2022 13:13:18 GMT -6
Do you hire non LDS teachers? I brew my own beer... staff meetings at my house can be quite fun... 250+ bottles at any given time. I'm tempted. My wife would kill me if I tried to move again. You don't require crap compared to some around here. 3-4 hours 5 days/week in the summer + 3 hour practices, weekend marathon meetings + 7on7's every weekend. WOOF. It's like a season before a season. |
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Post by carookie on Feb 9, 2022 13:39:57 GMT -6
Do any of you HCs worry about burnout as it pertains to your staff and summer expectations? Our summer demands honestly aren't much compared to some teams I know of. We go Monday-Thursday with about an hour of weights and an hour on the field. We have 3-4 7 on 7s and one full contact team camp worked in as well. The problem is we go from 7:30-9:30. So, I spend most of the summer waking up at the same time I wake up during the school year.I've said for years that if/when I leave coaching, it'll be due to the increased summer demands as opposed to the in-season grind. I'll eventually get to the point where I want to spend my summers jogging early in the morning, reporting to the golf course after that, and quite frankly not doing anything else, lol! This is what gets me with some places. I played HS ball literally in the hottest city in America; we would do our 2-a-days early in the morning to beat the heat, but during the summer it was fine hitting the weights and the track from 9-11 AM (or even later). Expecting kids and coaches to be there all summer long earlier than they have to when in school is asinine to me. I guess in farming communities and things like that, if you have to make those adjustments that makes sense, but in general it just seems like keeping up with the Joneses and going early as a mark of us 'grinding' or 'keeping kids from causing trouble'. |
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Post by poundit52 on Feb 9, 2022 14:24:49 GMT -6
Thanks for all the responses so far coaches! I got the kind of answers I was expecting. We go Monday, Tuesday, and Thursday, 8-10AM. Team camp on Wednesday nights from 5-8PM.
The reason I’m asking is because last year it felt like the same 3-4 coaches came to workouts (myself included) while most came on team camp nights. The 3-4 consistent guys missed probably 2-3 workouts each throughout the summer, which is very understandable. This upcoming summer will be a little different for me personally. I have a newborn baby and I’ve already bargained with my wife that I’d try to be home a little more than last summer. My plan is to be at workouts 3 out of 4 days (team camp included) during the summer. I think that’s pretty fair.
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Post by coachcb on Feb 9, 2022 14:54:19 GMT -6
Do any of you HCs worry about burnout as it pertains to your staff and summer expectations?
Rule of thumb: if you're worried about staff burn out due to the summer schedule, you should be even more concerned about player burn out.
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Post by cqmiller on Feb 9, 2022 16:05:54 GMT -6
I brew my own beer... staff meetings at my house can be quite fun... 250+ bottles at any given time. I'm tempted. My wife would kill me if I tried to move again. You don't require crap compared to some around here. 3-4 hours 5 days/week in the summer + 3 hour practices, weekend marathon meetings + 7on7's every weekend. WOOF. It's like a season before a season. I agree... A lot of guys post "we want multi-sport" athletes, but then require 6 hours a day 7 days a week for their sport. I want the kids to do summer baseball and summer basketball tournaments. We do a single 7on7 and last year was the 1st one we had done in like 4 years. The kids begged us to do one. I'd rather have the kids wanting more football as we get into camp than being like... "we have 13 more weeks of this _____?!?!?!" We do staff BBQs, staff movie outings, family dinners, some of us are in a D&D group, and I coach my 8yo son's basketball team in the winter and his accelerated baseball team in the spring. What we do with the kids in the summer helps them for ALL SPORTS. Lifting weights and doing speed/agility work on the field without tackling increases their ability to play the other sports. We get better at football the more of my kids play other sports. .....why teach a kid to catch punts/kickoffs when you can just have 3-4 outfielders on your team? .....why teach a kid to high-point footballs all day, when all the kids on the basketball team have been taught how to rebound .....shuffling in basketball is like shuffling in football. Keeps shoulders square and under control .....sprinting in track makes them accelerate & decelerate better .....etc... Let other coaches make your kids better... you look like a better coach, but you can actually spend time with your wife and kids |
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Post by coachcb on Feb 9, 2022 16:29:04 GMT -6
I brew my own beer... staff meetings at my house can be quite fun... 250+ bottles at any given time. I'm tempted. My wife would kill me if I tried to move again. You don't require crap compared to some around here. 3-4 hours 5 days/week in the summer + 3 hour practices, weekend marathon meetings + 7on7's every weekend. WOOF. It's like a season before a season.
One coaching stop had the following summer schedule:
Every week: Weights: Monday-Thursday, 8am-10am 7v7/Lineman on bags Monday and Wednesday, 7pm-9pm June: Overnight team camp, 8 hours away. (four, 2-hour padded practices the week before we went)
7v7 games: every Saturday
July: Overnight 7v7 camp, 6 hours away 7v7 games: every Saturday
Team camp: Wednesday night- Saturday night, last week of the month.
Words of wisdom from the HC: "You have the first two weeks of August off, enjoy them. It's going to be a long season after that."
(Uh... Didn't the season basically start in June?)
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