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Post by Defcord on Feb 9, 2022 18:10:21 GMT -6
I'm tempted. My wife would kill me if I tried to move again. You don't require crap compared to some around here. 3-4 hours 5 days/week in the summer + 3 hour practices, weekend marathon meetings + 7on7's every weekend. WOOF. It's like a season before a season. I agree... A lot of guys post "we want multi-sport" athletes, but then require 6 hours a day 7 days a week for their sport. I want the kids to do summer baseball and summer basketball tournaments. We do a single 7on7 and last year was the 1st one we had done in like 4 years. The kids begged us to do one. I'd rather have the kids wanting more football as we get into camp than being like... "we have 13 more weeks of this _____?!?!?!" We do staff BBQs, staff movie outings, family dinners, some of us are in a D&D group, and I coach my 8yo son's basketball team in the winter and his accelerated baseball team in the spring. What we do with the kids in the summer helps them for ALL SPORTS. Lifting weights and doing speed/agility work on the field without tackling increases their ability to play the other sports. We get better at football the more of my kids play other sports. .....why teach a kid to catch punts/kickoffs when you can just have 3-4 outfielders on your team? .....why teach a kid to high-point footballs all day, when all the kids on the basketball team have been taught how to rebound .....shuffling in basketball is like shuffling in football. Keeps shoulders square and under control .....sprinting in track makes them accelerate & decelerate better .....etc... Let other coaches make your kids better... you look like a better coach, but you can actually spend time with your wife and kids I can respect a man that admits to playing D&D on a football coaching board. That’s confidence. It’s more respected nowadays but my brother played in high school and took a lot of shitt for it. I never understood why anyone cared. |
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Post by coachlit on Feb 9, 2022 18:16:35 GMT -6
Even for good programs in my area, it’s tough find people that want to coach and even harder to find teachers in the building willing to coach. With that in mind I’m doing 3 days a week this off season and transitioning to 4 in the Summer. It’s expected that everyone be there unless an emergency comes up.
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 9, 2022 19:50:17 GMT -6
Is that what you do at practice as well? Or is an organized plan in place outlining each coach’s individual duties and responsibilities. The way you presented it - everything would go just as smoothly with two coaches as with 5 as with 10. Based on “more times than not”- seems like on any random day you could have that situation. Why not just set a schedule where coaches are assigned to be there more days than not? Just seems more productive and professional than come more often than not That's actually not how I presented it.
The person that created this thread asked how teams decide who's at lifting and who's not. That's how we determined it and it Will have to agree to disagree. The OP wrote [/quote] I’m kind of curious how other football programs delegate coaching staff involvement during summer workouts. I’ve coached at a few different programs. While some had a minimum amount of activities a coach was expected to be at, others had a sign up system for coaches on the summer calendar, and another just rolled with whoever showed up. Based on your experiences, what are realistic staff expectations for the summer?[/quote] You stated- "be there more often than not" That isn't really determining anything is it? That was my point. That is not the same as saying "we created a schedule in which assistant coaches were there most of the workouts while still allowing for off time" To each his own. I don't think that organizational style leads to the best possible results. |
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Post by cqmiller on Feb 9, 2022 20:01:04 GMT -6
I'm tempted. My wife would kill me if I tried to move again. You don't require crap compared to some around here. 3-4 hours 5 days/week in the summer + 3 hour practices, weekend marathon meetings + 7on7's every weekend. WOOF. It's like a season before a season.
One coaching stop had the following summer schedule:
Every week: Weights: Monday-Thursday, 8am-10am 7v7/Lineman on bags Monday and Wednesday, 7pm-9pm June: Overnight team camp, 8 hours away. (four, 2-hour padded practices the week before we went)
7v7 games: every Saturday
July: Overnight 7v7 camp, 6 hours away 7v7 games: every Saturday
Team camp: Wednesday night- Saturday night, last week of the month.
Words of wisdom from the HC: "You have the first two weeks of August off, enjoy them. It's going to be a long season after that."
(Uh... Didn't the season basically start in June?)
Been there... I do my best to NOT do that to the coaches. My assistants requested we have 1 monthly playbook meeting this offseason, so one Tuesday night a month we go in my basement with a bunch of barley-water and go over scheme. But it isn't me saying, "you gotta be there for ______". They requested it. I grind as much as the next guy, but I also believe in getting the same $h!t done in less time. 1 hour focused lifting and 1 hour of focused install/review/reps/indy of our base schemes is PLENTY. I was a 17 year old kid once... I'd be like, "I'll come to practice in the AM coach... pools open at like noon... I wanna be at the pool with the ladies by then" My frustration comes from where I'm at has been so bad for so long, they act like I'm holding them hostage with what I'm doing... I try to tell them they have no idea, but I think they think I'm full of it. |
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Post by cqmiller on Feb 9, 2022 21:52:10 GMT -6
I agree... A lot of guys post "we want multi-sport" athletes, but then require 6 hours a day 7 days a week for their sport. I want the kids to do summer baseball and summer basketball tournaments. We do a single 7on7 and last year was the 1st one we had done in like 4 years. The kids begged us to do one. I'd rather have the kids wanting more football as we get into camp than being like... "we have 13 more weeks of this _____?!?!?!" We do staff BBQs, staff movie outings, family dinners, some of us are in a D&D group, and I coach my 8yo son's basketball team in the winter and his accelerated baseball team in the spring. What we do with the kids in the summer helps them for ALL SPORTS. Lifting weights and doing speed/agility work on the field without tackling increases their ability to play the other sports. We get better at football the more of my kids play other sports. .....why teach a kid to catch punts/kickoffs when you can just have 3-4 outfielders on your team? .....why teach a kid to high-point footballs all day, when all the kids on the basketball team have been taught how to rebound .....shuffling in basketball is like shuffling in football. Keeps shoulders square and under control .....sprinting in track makes them accelerate & decelerate better .....etc... Let other coaches make your kids better... you look like a better coach, but you can actually spend time with your wife and kids I can respect a man that admits to playing D&D on a football coaching board. That’s confidence. It’s more respected nowadays but my brother played in high school and took a lot of shitt for it. I never understood why anyone cared. I was a chemistry major and a math minor... teach chemistry all day other than my 7-9am football period. I've been a nerd for a LONG TIME. |
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Post by carookie on Feb 9, 2022 22:50:43 GMT -6
The best run summer program I was ever a part of, which was at a school that was one of the top in the state, didn't require all the coaches to be there, nor was it expected.
We were weight room open Mon, Wed, Fri in various sessions: 8:30-10, 10-11:30, 11:30-1, 1-2:30. Usually there would only be one or two coaches there at any given time. Tue & Thu would be split session speed training and positional work 9:00-11:00. Most coaches would be there for that to get work in with their position.
I (the DC), the HC, the OL coach, and the JV HC tended to be the one who worked the weight room on the M, W, F. But we also made sure everyone got time off. We all knew how to teach power clean progression and proper squat form, we all knew how to track attendance and access emergency forms, there was no need to have everyone in the weight room everyday. We had very good turn out from the players, and consistently were a top 4 seed in one of the top divisions in the state.
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Post by coachcb on Feb 10, 2022 8:43:57 GMT -6
One coaching stop had the following summer schedule:
Every week: Weights: Monday-Thursday, 8am-10am 7v7/Lineman on bags Monday and Wednesday, 7pm-9pm June: Overnight team camp, 8 hours away. (four, 2-hour padded practices the week before we went)
7v7 games: every Saturday
July: Overnight 7v7 camp, 6 hours away 7v7 games: every Saturday
Team camp: Wednesday night- Saturday night, last week of the month.
Words of wisdom from the HC: "You have the first two weeks of August off, enjoy them. It's going to be a long season after that."
(Uh... Didn't the season basically start in June?)
I grind as much as the next guy, but I also believe in getting the same $h!t done in less time. 1 hour focused lifting and 1 hour of focused install/review/reps/indy of our base schemes is PLENTY. I was a 17 year old kid once... I'd be like, "I'll come to practice in the AM coach... pools open at like noon... I wanna be at the pool with the ladies by then"
This paragraph hits the nail on the head. I cut my teeth under a minimalist coach who'd played for two state titles and won one before I got there. We lifted three days/week, went to one team camp in June (two padded practices before hitting the road) and held the standard school camp in July. We had one staff meeting before we went off to the team camp and one before the school; camp; just to get everyone on the same page. We weren't required to be at anything as ACs but we had great participation as a) it wasn't a gigantic time commitment and b) it didn't feel like football was starting June 1st. It was just fun.
Unfortunately, I didn't fully appreciate his approach until much later in my coaching career.
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Post by jgordon1 on Feb 10, 2022 8:49:49 GMT -6
"...coaches in the weight room means kids will be in the weight room. If coaches don't bother to show up, why should they?" Great point!!! a coach supporting a family is different than a kid. That being said I was mostly there. I always took 2-3 weeks off every year to vacation w my family. I was upfront w the coach when he hired me and I never hid the fact from my players what I was doing |
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Post by IronmanFootball on Feb 10, 2022 9:13:13 GMT -6
I'm tempted. My wife would kill me if I tried to move again. You don't require crap compared to some around here. 3-4 hours 5 days/week in the summer + 3 hour practices, weekend marathon meetings + 7on7's every weekend. WOOF. It's like a season before a season. I agree... A lot of guys post "we want multi-sport" athletes, but then require 6 hours a day 7 days a week for their sport. I want the kids to do summer baseball and summer basketball tournaments. We do a single 7on7 and last year was the 1st one we had done in like 4 years. The kids begged us to do one. I'd rather have the kids wanting more football as we get into camp than being like... "we have 13 more weeks of this _____?!?!?!" We do staff BBQs, staff movie outings, family dinners, some of us are in a D&D group, and I coach my 8yo son's basketball team in the winter and his accelerated baseball team in the spring. What we do with the kids in the summer helps them for ALL SPORTS. Lifting weights and doing speed/agility work on the field without tackling increases their ability to play the other sports. We get better at football the more of my kids play other sports. .....why teach a kid to catch punts/kickoffs when you can just have 3-4 outfielders on your team? .....why teach a kid to high-point footballs all day, when all the kids on the basketball team have been taught how to rebound .....shuffling in basketball is like shuffling in football. Keeps shoulders square and under control .....sprinting in track makes them accelerate & decelerate better .....etc... Let other coaches make your kids better... you look like a better coach, but you can actually spend time with your wife and kids I've always opened workouts up to 'all sports' not everyone does and I'm really not sure why not. Hell, I'd say an extra hour just to train people if they want me to. I've done it for 4-5 females before. BUT I love the summer / weight room / speed work stuff more than football. I miss S&C, not indy periods |
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Post by humble on Feb 10, 2022 9:20:13 GMT -6
Our whole staff is there 4 days a week in the summer 7am-10am. We get paid an additonal $10 an hour in the summer. It's not much, but it wasn't but just a few years ago that we were doing it for free...
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Feb 10, 2022 9:21:03 GMT -6
I’m kind of curious how other football programs delegate coaching staff involvement during summer workouts. I’ve coached at a few different programs. While some had a minimum amount of activities a coach was expected to be at, others had a sign up system for coaches on the summer calendar, and another just rolled with whoever showed up. Based on your experiences, what are realistic staff expectations for the summer? As a S&C guy and HC I may differ in opinion from some others but I'll give it a whirl: We have coaches who are "All-In" with the program but know/add very little to a weight room setting. They may know the importance but have never themselves experienced it or it's just not something they're comfortable with. In my opinion I hired them to coach football not train kids in a weight room. My stance is just let them be great at the things they're good at. We use a calendar and utilize guys for coverage. If I am on vacation then someone signs up to help cover for that week. I try to keep people in their lanes. Here's what we do based on the coaches' strengths: HC (me) & OL: Winter/Spring/Summer Wt room and SAQ. ONE of us is ALWAYS there and in charge. Rare occasions that we both are unavailable. DC & OC: in charge of all 7v7 and football-specific work in the offseason- scheduling, contacting kids, organizing it etc. Both are HC-caliber guys and do a fantastic job...they basically tell me what's going on with this stuff. AsstDL coach and 9th grade HC: Support staff w/summer Wts/SAQ RB coach: Is knowledgeable and savvy with training, however he owns his own training business. So, he does some "extra work" sessions for our kids on his time. DL coach: Is knowledgeable and savvy as well. And he owns his own training facility (typically works with healthy lifestyle/non-athletes). I have zero expectation for him to be in attendance in the offseason as he sacrifices time and money to be available during our season. Volunteer coaches (non-paid positions) are welcome to attend anything but we are not counting on them being there. Many show up, but I never force them to. I'd never force a grown man to do something with compensation. |
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Post by mrjvi on Feb 10, 2022 9:41:03 GMT -6
I don't get paid for anything off season or the summer. I do it (mostly alone-1 coach helps) because it needs to be done if we will be competitive. I have some incentives to attend but I no longer get real stressed about it. I clearly tell the kids what strength levels we need to be at to be a contender and CONSTANTLY remind them how bad a lack of strength is, even during the season. I tell them that give or take a couple games (wins or losses), 50% of our fall success is off season. 25% is summer and 25% is during the season. Our player leadership from kids who have some future vision usually determines our attendance. If ANYONE whatsoever questions anything about my committment or when I run stuff I tell them I come up well over 150 times to weights all year w/o getting paid. (personally I'm retired so don't have high money needs, though gas prices.....)
I really don't get headaches though from people, I just get $hitty attendance lately. Small school.
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Post by wolverine55 on Feb 10, 2022 9:47:14 GMT -6
Our whole staff is there 4 days a week in the summer 7am-10am. We get paid an additonal $10 an hour in the summer. It's not much, but it wasn't but just a few years ago that we were doing it for free... Everywhere I've coached (5 programs) summer has been "free"... |
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Post by cqmiller on Feb 10, 2022 10:02:14 GMT -6
If I got paid $10 an hour I'd have a STROKE...
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Post by groundchuck on Feb 10, 2022 10:16:35 GMT -6
When I was a header we just had a camp we needed to be at. I wanted as many coaches as I could at our youth camp but really that was more for organizing it. I let the players coach the youth kids. Weight room, I ran it, our assistants were interested in it but also coached other sports. But they would show up. For 7on7 it was usually just me and the DC.
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Post by coachwoodall on Feb 10, 2022 10:46:51 GMT -6
I brew my own beer... staff meetings at my house can be quite fun... 250+ bottles at any given time. I'm tempted. My wife would kill me if I tried to move again. You don't require crap compared to some around here. 3-4 hours 5 days/week in the summer + 3 hour practices, weekend marathon meetings + 7on7's every weekend. WOOF. It's like a season before a season. January to July football will drive me off the grass more than anything else. |
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Post by humble on Feb 10, 2022 10:56:45 GMT -6
If I got paid $10 an hour I'd have a STROKE... What do you guys get for summer pay? |
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Post by coachcb on Feb 10, 2022 11:00:14 GMT -6
Our whole staff is there 4 days a week in the summer 7am-10am. We get paid an additonal $10 an hour in the summer. It's not much, but it wasn't but just a few years ago that we were doing it for free... Everywhere I've coached (5 programs) summer has been "free"...
We get paid per $25 weight room session here but there's a few caveats:
-One coach gets paid for the session, not everyone in the room.
-We get paid for 15 sessions: the rest are pro-bono.
Not a bad deal when considering the alternative. There is a S&C coach stipend available and I've been approached twice to take the gig. I've turned it down as there's already too many cooks in that kitchen.
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Post by Defcord on Feb 10, 2022 11:08:02 GMT -6
I’m kind of curious how other football programs delegate coaching staff involvement during summer workouts. I’ve coached at a few different programs. While some had a minimum amount of activities a coach was expected to be at, others had a sign up system for coaches on the summer calendar, and another just rolled with whoever showed up. Based on your experiences, what are realistic staff expectations for the summer? As a S&C guy and HC I may differ in opinion from some others but I'll give it a whirl: We have coaches who are "All-In" with the program but know/add very little to a weight room setting. They may know the importance but have never themselves experienced it or it's just not something they're comfortable with. In my opinion I hired them to coach football not train kids in a weight room. My stance is just let them be great at the things they're good at. We use a calendar and utilize guys for coverage. If I am on vacation then someone signs up to help cover for that week. I try to keep people in their lanes. Here's what we do based on the coaches' strengths: HC (me) & OL: Winter/Spring/Summer Wt room and SAQ. ONE of us is ALWAYS there and in charge. Rare occasions that we both are unavailable. DC & OC: in charge of all 7v7 and football-specific work in the offseason- scheduling, contacting kids, organizing it etc. Both are HC-caliber guys and do a fantastic job...they basically tell me what's going on with this stuff. AsstDL coach and 9th grade HC: Support staff w/summer Wts/SAQ RB coach: Is knowledgeable and savvy with training, however he owns his own training business. So, he does some "extra work" sessions for our kids on his time. DL coach: Is knowledgeable and savvy as well. And he owns his own training facility (typically works with healthy lifestyle/non-athletes). I have zero expectation for him to be in attendance in the offseason as he sacrifices time and money to be available during our season. Volunteer coaches (non-paid positions) are welcome to attend anything but we are not counting on them being there. Many show up, but I never force them to. I'd never force a grown man to do something with compensation. This is a good approach. I am not expert in the weightroom, but I love being in there. It's a chance for me to walk around and shake hands with kids and ask them stuff in between sets or before or after the session and get to know them and interact with them without having to apply pressure like when we are on the field. |
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Post by fantom on Feb 10, 2022 11:38:23 GMT -6
If I got paid $10 an hour I'd have a STROKE... What do you guys get for summer pay? Never got a nickel. |
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Post by blb on Feb 10, 2022 11:45:00 GMT -6
What do you guys get for summer pay? Never got a nickel. I paid coaches for our three-day summer camp that kids paid for and bought them some coaches' apparel of off it as well. That's all they got for time before Pre-Season practice started-their contracts kicked in. I was flat-out told at my first head job I could not require coaches to be at anything outside of the season. The assistants I had that saw themselves as football coaches would be at summer conditioning as much as they could. The ones who were teachers who coached football on the side or "walk-ons" (non-teachers), not as much. |
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Post by cqmiller on Feb 10, 2022 11:46:38 GMT -6
If I got paid $10 an hour I'd have a STROKE... What do you guys get for summer pay? No summer pay... I get about a $3000 stipend for the entire year. Assistants get about $1600 That's it. |
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Post by humble on Feb 10, 2022 11:57:25 GMT -6
What do you guys get for summer pay? No summer pay... I get about a $3000 stipend for the entire year. Assistants get about $1600 That's it. We went to admin and showed them how many hours we were putting into these kids in the summer and spending time away from our families and recieveing 0 compensation for it. We started winning alot after having our summer program the way we do, so I'm sure that helped pursade them. Also, several neigboring districts pay their coaches hourly in the summer so that helped as well. |
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Post by blb on Feb 10, 2022 11:57:39 GMT -6
What do you guys get for summer pay? No summer pay... I get about a $3000 stipend for the entire year. Assistants get about $1600 That's it. I can relate. I did the Off-Season stuff for 31 years because I was the HC, a football coach by choice, and I wanted to win-knew we wouldn't without it. |
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Post by humble on Feb 10, 2022 12:33:32 GMT -6
No summer pay... I get about a $3000 stipend for the entire year. Assistants get about $1600 That's it. I can relate. I did the Off-Season stuff for 31 years because I was the HC, a football coach by choice, and I wanted to win-knew we wouldn't without it. Yep, these day's a well planned organized summer program is a non-negotiable to be successful. |
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Post by blb on Feb 10, 2022 12:55:43 GMT -6
I can relate. I did the Off-Season stuff for 31 years because I was the HC, a football coach by choice, and I wanted to win-knew we wouldn't without it. Yep, these day's a well planned organized summer program is a non-negotiable to be successful. The conundrum is doing that without burning out either your players or coaches before the competitive season starts. Or getting mad at your players for not being at some summer stuff before practice even begins. And losing some coaches after awhile when it can be hard to replace them. Very fine line. When you're a HS HFC you have to realize football is not as important to everybody else as it is to you. |
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Post by IronmanFootball on Feb 10, 2022 13:05:36 GMT -6
What do you guys get for summer pay? No summer pay... I get about a $3000 stipend for the entire year. Assistants get about $1600 That's it. Where are you coaching... 2012? |
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Post by coachwoodall on Feb 10, 2022 13:14:13 GMT -6
No summer pay... I get about a $3000 stipend for the entire year. Assistants get about $1600 That's it. Where are you coaching... 2012? another perk of living in the south |
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Post by coachwoodall on Feb 10, 2022 13:17:50 GMT -6
No summer pay... I get about a $3000 stipend for the entire year. Assistants get about $1600 That's it. Where are you coaching... 2012? at my 1st AC gig in 1993, as an adjunct AC, I was paid $1800 |
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Post by realdawg on Feb 10, 2022 13:29:45 GMT -6
As the HC, I am paid an extra month, plus $13 an hour for the month I dont get paid in the summer. My assistants get paid $13 an hour for summer "labor" if they chose to do so. So for us, there is some incentive to be there. Not saying everyone is there everyday.....but you need to be there if your group is on the field (2 days a week)
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