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Post by coacht5150 on Aug 18, 2021 8:37:14 GMT -6
16 kids at practice yesterday. Of those 16 five were in street clothes and 1 showed up for the last 15 minutes when soccer was over.
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Post by aznando on Aug 19, 2021 6:30:59 GMT -6
4A School, we got like 28 Varsity players. I haven't coached in over 15 years and the way things are and how different it is culturally are so much different than the Mid 2000's.
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Post by larrymoe on Aug 19, 2021 8:54:54 GMT -6
You're both just not coaching right.
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Post by dblwngr on Aug 19, 2021 11:42:51 GMT -6
Our numbers are rough right now. We are 17-1 over the last two seasons with a State Championship appearance. You think that would generate some excitement for the program.
As of now, we are very close to having to cancel our JV program and Varsity is one or two injuries away from being a $hit show. A lot of our football kids have decided working at Little Cesar's pizza or bagging groceries instead of playing football is more important at this point in there life's.
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Post by coachd5085 on Aug 19, 2021 18:10:00 GMT -6
Our numbers are rough right now. We are 17-1 over the last two seasons with a State Championship appearance. You think that would generate some excitement for the program. As of now, we are very close to having to cancel our JV program and Varsity is one or two injuries away from being a $hit show. A lot of our football kids have decided working at Little Cesar's pizza or bagging groceries instead of playing football is more important at this point in there life's. Well that pretty well highlights a very pertinent issue doesn't it? We in the coaching profession feel that 17-1 and a Championship appearance should obviously have kids banging down the doors to play. The kids in your community, voting with their time and effort are showing otherwise. Clearly extreme high levels of success on the field are not a motivator for that area. What are they interested in, or what could compete with $10.00 an hour? |
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Post by creid on Aug 19, 2021 18:52:23 GMT -6
We're very fortunate. Numbers are strong. 90 at high school level of 225 boys in school. Middle school numbers are very good too.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2021 18:52:45 GMT -6
Our numbers are rough right now. We are 17-1 over the last two seasons with a State Championship appearance. You think that would generate some excitement for the program. As of now, we are very close to having to cancel our JV program and Varsity is one or two injuries away from being a $hit show. A lot of our football kids have decided working at Little Cesar's pizza or bagging groceries instead of playing football is more important at this point in there life's. Well that pretty well highlights a very pertinent issue doesn't it? We in the coaching profession feel that 17-1 and a Championship appearance should obviously have kids banging down the doors to play. The kids in your community, voting with their time and effort are showing otherwise. Clearly extreme high levels of success on the field are not a motivator for that area. What are they interested in, or what could compete with $10.00 an hour? if they are worried about eating, yes. |
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Post by coachklee on Aug 19, 2021 19:22:08 GMT -6
Low. I think one school on our schedule has 50+ 9-12…as little as 6 years ago in the same league with a very similar schedule it was all but 1 school had less than 50 9-12.
We are making it work with 22 9-12 & that includes about 3 kids who absolutely should never see the field on Friday night.
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Post by coachklee on Aug 19, 2021 19:24:47 GMT -6
16 kids at practice yesterday. Of those 16 five were in street clothes and 1 showed up for the last 15 minutes when soccer was over. That is rough. Best of luck in making the best decisions in a bad situation where few things can be done right. |
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Post by dblwngr on Aug 20, 2021 10:15:07 GMT -6
Our numbers are rough right now. We are 17-1 over the last two seasons with a State Championship appearance. You think that would generate some excitement for the program. As of now, we are very close to having to cancel our JV program and Varsity is one or two injuries away from being a $hit show. A lot of our football kids have decided working at Little Cesar's pizza or bagging groceries instead of playing football is more important at this point in there life's. Well that pretty well highlights a very pertinent issue doesn't it? We in the coaching profession feel that 17-1 and a Championship appearance should obviously have kids banging down the doors to play. The kids in your community, voting with their time and effort are showing otherwise. Clearly extreme high levels of success on the field are not a motivator for that area. What are they interested in, or what could compete with $10.00 an hour? Well, winning may not be the end all answer of getting every kid out for sports but it surely helped a few years back. When I first started at this school years back, it was a consistently bad program. When trying to recruit kids that would help the program the answer were consistently, "Pffffffff, no way I'm going out, our teams always suck at football!" It took a few years to turn it around and our numbers were much, much better. Among other things, I see covid being big part. Nobody wanting to work has driven up the pay for basically every job out there. Almost every fast food restaurant has a huge sign on the front of the building saying starting pay $15 an hour or more with experience. With online learning, kids were done by 1:00, got a taste of the big bucks at Taco Bell and the rest is history. |
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Post by coacht5150 on Aug 21, 2021 0:22:57 GMT -6
16 kids at practice yesterday. Of those 16 five were in street clothes and 1 showed up for the last 15 minutes when soccer was over. That is rough. Best of luck in making the best decisions in a bad situation where few things can be done right. I left a 5A school (120 kids in the program roughly) as a coordinator to take over this program knowing more or less what I was getting into. Had 7 kids in June. Up to 25 now. Not bad for a 1A program I think at this point and hey....we are undefeated right now. |
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Post by nndman on Aug 22, 2021 1:50:54 GMT -6
So I'm in mostly 1A (smallest classification) rural territory with one 2A school here. Two of the 1A's just over 400 student population, the rest below that figure, while the 2A has around 725. The 2A has 38. One of bigger 1A's has including 6 or 7 Frosh. The next biggest 1A has 25 as does another 1A. Another 1A has the best player in the district and they have about 30. Region runnerup from last year has 18 and another team is barely hanging on with 16. Heck the defending regional champ has only 18!
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Post by larrymoe on Sept 8, 2021 11:34:09 GMT -6
School I was last a HC at in 2017 just pulled the plug on their varsity schedule and their JV/Fresh schedule is in debate two weeks into the season. IIRC we had 40-50 kids in the program. They have not won a game since mid 2016.
Edit- did the math, they've lost 36 games in a row.
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Post by nndman on Sept 11, 2021 14:36:36 GMT -6
A second small school classification program in Virginia has canceled its season due to low numbers. Another program has put its season on pause for the same reason
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Post by coachd5085 on Sept 11, 2021 14:39:52 GMT -6
A second small school classification program in Virginia has canceled its season due to low numbers. Another program has put its season on pause for the same reason Are these cancelled seasons just due to the numbers? Or are they do to low numbers PLUS other things (covid issues, or injuries etc.) |
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Post by nndman on Sept 12, 2021 18:57:49 GMT -6
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Post by larrymoe on Sept 12, 2021 19:12:55 GMT -6
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Post by nndman on Sept 13, 2021 18:50:37 GMT -6
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Post by bigdog2003 on Sept 14, 2021 10:25:12 GMT -6
High school in town dressed 29 last night for a game. A few years ago there were 27 seniors on the team. School size has remained the same. The private school in town plays 8-man, and they have 11 on their roster. Their first game was called midway through the 3rd because they didn't have 8 players that could play.
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Post by coachklee on Sept 14, 2021 18:07:31 GMT -6
This stuff sucks. Hope all (certainly nobody here on Huey) who cheered for the disintegration of football & especially HS football are happy that they have consciously destroyed a big part of the cultural identity of small/smaller towns. HS sports & HS football in particular is one thing that brings people together regardless of all that separates those people. Disheartening to see so many places struggling to even put together a Varsity let alone a program…
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Post by coachwoodall on Sept 14, 2021 18:25:34 GMT -6
I'm not delving into the political side of this stuff, but I've been intrigued by how differing school districts handle the contact tracing and subsequent quarantining of students (and teams).
In SC the Dept. of Health and Environmental (DHEC) has established 'guidelines'. We have had a significant number of teams shut down/quarantine for up to 2 weeks. But there have been some areas that haven't had as much closure.
DHEC has put in place these 'guidelines'. A 'cohort' that has 3 positives COVID tests are recommended to to shut down/quarantine for 2 weeks.
Now a 'cohort' is NOT defined in specific number nor as a ratio of people, but just as an association of grouped people.
So, at my school the girls golf team of 9 girls is a cohort. The football program of 140+ is also a cohort. My classroom of 24 kids that are wall to wall is not a cohort. Nor is our cafeteria in a school that is close to 70% free and reduced lunch, plus the federal subsidized 'lunch for all' is not a cohort as well.
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Post by coachd5085 on Sept 14, 2021 18:32:08 GMT -6
This stuff sucks. Hope all (certainly nobody here on Huey) who cheered for the disintegration of football & especially HS football are happy that they have consciously destroyed a big part of the cultural identity of small/smaller towns. HS sports & HS football in particular is one thing that brings people together regardless of all that separates those people. Disheartening to see so many places struggling to even put together a Varsity let alone a program… I will be honest though, assuming you are talking about head injuries and the head injury / safety campaign, I do not think those things are as strongly correlated as some believe. I think a major factor is that kids just don't want to play HS football anymore. |
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Post by coachklee on Sept 14, 2021 18:37:36 GMT -6
I'm not delving into the political side of this stuff, but I've been intrigued by how differing school districts handle the contact tracing and subsequent quarantining of students (and teams). In SC the Dept. of Health and Environmental (DHEC) has established 'guidelines'. We have had a significant number of teams shut down/quarantine for up to 2 weeks. But there have been some areas that haven't had as much closure. DHEC has put in place these 'guidelines'. A 'cohort' that has 3 positives COVID tests are recommended to to shut down/quarantine for 2 weeks. Now a 'cohort' is NOT defined in specific number nor as a ratio of people, but just as an association of grouped people. So, at my school the girls golf team of 9 girls is a cohort. The football program of 140+ is also a cohort. My classroom of 24 kids that are wall to wall is not a cohort. Nor is our cafeteria in a school that is close to 70% free and reduced lunch, plus the federal subsidized 'lunch for all' is not a cohort as well. Way to be unpolitically political. Not sure if it is really any particular party, but the fact a classroom or the school lunchroom isn’t a “cohort” while all the sports teams are tells you everything about how the powers that be see school & especially extracurriculars… |
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Post by coachklee on Sept 14, 2021 18:46:40 GMT -6
This stuff sucks. Hope all (certainly nobody here on Huey) who cheered for the disintegration of football & especially HS football are happy that they have consciously destroyed a big part of the cultural identity of small/smaller towns. HS sports & HS football in particular is one thing that brings people together regardless of all that separates those people. Disheartening to see so many places struggling to even put together a Varsity let alone a program… I will be honest though, assuming you are talking about head injuries and the head injury / safety campaign, I do not think those things are as strongly correlated as some believe. I think a major factor is that kids just don't want to play HS football anymore. Not talking about head injuries or concussion concerns at all…talking about how a small, but loud group of people seem to hate local culture & a sense of community pride can’t stand how football & especially HS football being a community together 9 or 10 Friday’s a year. I put this in the same category of local churches not being allowed to have services. Last year’s regulations on attendance for certain events showed everything that some people seem to hate anything that gives people a sense of belonging & identity. Top that off with minimum wages not being federally required to increase yet being artificially inflated because of government policies that have reduced the actual employment pool which in turn increased the demand for labor & resulting increase in wages leading to a perfect storm where working a 4-6 hour shift is in the short term worth way more than participating in HS sports & we are where we are with programs everywhere struggling to field teams. |
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Post by larrymoe on Sept 14, 2021 18:49:04 GMT -6
I will be honest though, assuming you are talking about head injuries and the head injury / safety campaign, I do not think those things are as strongly correlated as some believe. I think a major factor is that kids just don't want to play HS football anymore. Not taking about head injuries or concussion concerns at all…talking about how a small, but loud group of people seem to hate local culture & a sense of community pride can’t stand how football & especially HS football being a community together 9 or 10 Friday’s a year. I put this in the same category of local churches not being allowed to have services. Last year’s regulations on attendance for certain events showed everything that some people seem to hate anything that gives people a sense of belonging & identity. Top that off with minimum wages not being federally required to increase yet being artificially inflated because of government policies that have reduced the actual employment pool which in turn increased the demand for labor & resulting increase in wages leading to a perfect storm where working a 4-6 hour shift is in the short term worth way more than participating in HS sports & we are where we are with programs everywhere struggling to field teams. I really hate to break it to you, but 90% of the world doesn't give two craps about HS football. |
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Post by coachwoodall on Sept 14, 2021 19:12:58 GMT -6
I'm not delving into the political side of this stuff, but I've been intrigued by how differing school districts handle the contact tracing and subsequent quarantining of students (and teams). In SC the Dept. of Health and Environmental (DHEC) has established 'guidelines'. We have had a significant number of teams shut down/quarantine for up to 2 weeks. But there have been some areas that haven't had as much closure. DHEC has put in place these 'guidelines'. A 'cohort' that has 3 positives COVID tests are recommended to to shut down/quarantine for 2 weeks. Now a 'cohort' is NOT defined in specific number nor as a ratio of people, but just as an association of grouped people. So, at my school the girls golf team of 9 girls is a cohort. The football program of 140+ is also a cohort. My classroom of 24 kids that are wall to wall is not a cohort. Nor is our cafeteria in a school that is close to 70% free and reduced lunch, plus the federal subsidized 'lunch for all' is not a cohort as well. Way to be unpolitically political. Not sure if it is really any particular party, but the fact a classroom or the school lunchroom isn’t a “cohort” while all the sports teams are tells you everything about how the powers that be see school & especially extracurriculars… NO, I haven't been unpolitically political. The SC Department of Health and Environmental established these guidelines. They are both vague and specific. All I offered was that I thought it was interesting how school districts decided how to implement these 'guidelines'. If you have dealt with any type of administrative group 'guidelines' end up being 'enter at your own risk'. My offering of an opposing interpretations of what a 'cohort' is being defined as is accurate. It has been handled VERY differently in varying localities; the politics are unique to each district. You've might have missed the point: -state guidelines were vague -localities interpretted said guidelines differently -football teams were or were not shut down in differing regions that didn't seem to fit the same rule. At NO time did I imply a particular political view point. I 'quoted' the word 'cohort' b/c that was the word used. and again a 'cohort' was NOT defined in either shape, size, or context. AND THAT WAS MY SINGULAR POINT. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Sept 14, 2021 20:07:32 GMT -6
I will be honest though, assuming you are talking about head injuries and the head injury / safety campaign, I do not think those things are as strongly correlated as some believe. I think a major factor is that kids just don't want to play HS football anymore. Not taking about head injuries or concussion concerns at all…talking about how a small, but loud group of people seem to hate local culture & a sense of community pride can’t stand how football & especially HS football being a community together 9 or 10 Friday’s a year. I put this in the same category of local churches not being allowed to have services. Last year’s regulations on attendance for certain events showed everything that some people seem to hate anything that gives people a sense of belonging & identity. Top that off with minimum wages not being federally required to increase yet being artificially inflated because of government policies that have reduced the actual employment pool which in turn increased the demand for labor & resulting increase in wages leading to a perfect storm where working a 4-6 hour shift is in the short term worth way more than participating in HS sports & we are where we are with programs everywhere struggling to field teams. Sorry coach, just don't agree with you on this one here. I don't think that a small faction is working hard to kill HS football by weaponizing covid-19 safety protocols. As far as your second point, as I mentioned in this thread (or maybe another on a similar topic) isn't that just an indication that the leaders of football programs are failing to make the experience worthwhile to the kids? Not saying they necessarily could do things substantially differently, but I think a much larger reason for the decline in interest/participation has been the proliferation in magnifying all of the "bells and whistles" in youth sports. Kids have been running through inflatable helmets surrounded by smoke and pyrotechnics with a sound system blaring while wearing 4 alternate uniform choices since they were 6 years old. Playing on a Friday night isn't all that special. |
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Post by blb on Sept 15, 2021 4:24:54 GMT -6
The only thing different HS coaches have to offer kids when they get to their schools is year-round Strength Training and "Speed Development," summer 7-on-7s, camps, etc. As coachd5085 said, they've already played on the HS field with scoreboard, PA, cheerleaders, names on back of their jerseys, participated in playoff and championship games (sometimes called "Super Bowls") and gotten medals and trophies. Been there, done that. Except now they're expected (required?) to be a football player 12 months out of the year. A lot of kids are opting out. In many instances health-safety issues may be masking the real reasons why. |
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Post by blb on Sept 15, 2021 14:59:56 GMT -6
with minimum wages not being federally required to increase yet being artificially inflated because of government policies that have reduced the actual employment pool which in turn increased the demand for labor & resulting increase in wages leading to a perfect storm where working a 4-6 hour shift is in the short term worth way more than participating in HS sports & we are where we are with programs everywhere struggling to field teams. You are not wrong. |
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Post by larrymoe on Sept 22, 2021 10:29:04 GMT -6
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