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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 28, 2021 8:58:41 GMT -6
that's some funny stuff, I can't stand all this pj fleck made up used car salesman bs hype train crap nor do I really care if "the kids" like it if they like that stuff more than the game, they won't be great at the game I think that is such an under-discused part of youth/HS athletics AND I think it has been magnified greatly by youth/travel ball. I never really thought about it in these terms before, but I am now quite positive that kids become so enamored with all of the "trappings" of these fancy youth sports clubs/travel ball teams (the fancy uniforms, bags, warm up gear, rings, travel, etc) that competing in the sport becomes secondary to those things. This becomes problematic for them and for coaches as they get older because now it has become the expectation of players and parents (insert eyeroll) to have all of glitz. The "fun" in youth sports is being shifted from playing the sport and competing to all of the other aspects they see. Just spent Saturday at an AAU track meet. Watched an 8 year old run the 100m with sunglasses, necklace, armsleeves etc in 23.35 (for reference the slowest qualifying time for the 8 year old Junior Olympics from this region was 15.63 and there was a 6 year old who ran 17.78). Obviously my issue isn't that the young guy is slow, but it is that his parents/coach whoever is essentially having him play dress up like an Olympian in the pursuit of his fun. Just like older generations might have done by wearing their favorite Roger Staubach or Terry Bradshaw or Archie Manning Jersey. The difference being those generations played dress up in the front yard and there was a clear division between actual contact football and yard football. For this athletes, the adults are trying to make it "fun" with all of the added stuff which essentially replaces the actual sport as the source of pleasure for the kids. |
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Post by kylem56 on Jun 28, 2021 10:09:59 GMT -6
in Michigan we are seeing about a dozen or so job changes. Some guys, it is justifiable (i.e. Detroit Cass Tech's Head Coach Thomas Wilcher going to Michigan State) but seeing some just step down cause they have had enough or unknown reasons
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 28, 2021 12:50:08 GMT -6
"Once that flip switches..." LOL. It should be "Once that SWITCH FLIPS..." that's some funny stuff, I can't stand all this pj fleck made up used car salesman bs hype train crap nor do I really care if "the kids" like it if they like that stuff more than the game, they won't be great at the game Little known fact- before I quit Twittering I was blocked by PJ Fleck. Absolutely no idea why as I have never twitted a single thing about that douche canoe. |
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Post by tog on Jun 28, 2021 20:23:27 GMT -6
that's some funny stuff, I can't stand all this pj fleck made up used car salesman bs hype train crap nor do I really care if "the kids" like it if they like that stuff more than the game, they won't be great at the game I think that is such an under-discused part of youth/HS athletics AND I think it has been magnified greatly by youth/travel ball. I never really thought about it in these terms before, but I am now quite positive that kids become so enamored with all of the "trappings" of these fancy youth sports clubs/travel ball teams (the fancy uniforms, bags, warm up gear, rings, travel, etc) that competing in the sport becomes secondary to those things. This becomes problematic for them and for coaches as they get older because now it has become the expectation of players and parents (insert eyeroll) to have all of glitz. The "fun" in youth sports is being shifted from playing the sport and competing to all of the other aspects they see. Just spent Saturday at an AAU track meet. Watched an 8 year old run the 100m with sunglasses, necklace, armsleeves etc in 23.35 (for reference the slowest qualifying time for the 8 year old Junior Olympics from this region was 15.63 and there was a 6 year old who ran 17.78). Obviously my issue isn't that the young guy is slow, but it is that his parents/coach whoever is essentially having him play dress up like an Olympian in the pursuit of his fun. Just like older generations might have done by wearing their favorite Roger Staubach or Terry Bradshaw or Archie Manning Jersey. The difference being those generations played dress up in the front yard and there was a clear division between actual contact football and yard football. For this athletes, the adults are trying to make it "fun" with all of the added stuff which essentially replaces the actual sport as the source of pleasure for the kids. great post it's all bulllll$hit |
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Post by tog on Jun 28, 2021 20:24:20 GMT -6
that's some funny stuff, I can't stand all this pj fleck made up used car salesman bs hype train crap nor do I really care if "the kids" like it if they like that stuff more than the game, they won't be great at the game Little known fact- before I quit Twittering I was blocked by PJ Fleck. Absolutely no idea why as I have never twitted a single thing about that douche canoe. he's a tool if I ran a place right now I wouldn't let him or his asst in, scumbags |
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Post by immiru on Jun 29, 2021 0:15:28 GMT -6
Our state has had approximately 63 HS HC changes this year.
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Post by tog on Jun 29, 2021 16:25:35 GMT -6
that's some funny stuff, I can't stand all this pj fleck made up used car salesman bs hype train crap nor do I really care if "the kids" like it if they like that stuff more than the game, they won't be great at the game I think that is such an under-discused part of youth/HS athletics AND I think it has been magnified greatly by youth/travel ball. I never really thought about it in these terms before, but I am now quite positive that kids become so enamored with all of the "trappings" of these fancy youth sports clubs/travel ball teams (the fancy uniforms, bags, warm up gear, rings, travel, etc) that competing in the sport becomes secondary to those things. This becomes problematic for them and for coaches as they get older because now it has become the expectation of players and parents (insert eyeroll) to have all of glitz. The "fun" in youth sports is being shifted from playing the sport and competing to all of the other aspects they see. Just spent Saturday at an AAU track meet. Watched an 8 year old run the 100m with sunglasses, necklace, armsleeves etc in 23.35 (for reference the slowest qualifying time for the 8 year old Junior Olympics from this region was 15.63 and there was a 6 year old who ran 17.78). Obviously my issue isn't that the young guy is slow, but it is that his parents/coach whoever is essentially having him play dress up like an Olympian in the pursuit of his fun. Just like older generations might have done by wearing their favorite Roger Staubach or Terry Bradshaw or Archie Manning Jersey. The difference being those generations played dress up in the front yard and there was a clear division between actual contact football and yard football. For this athletes, the adults are trying to make it "fun" with all of the added stuff which essentially replaces the actual sport as the source of pleasure for the kids. well put, the intrinsic value of football and what it teaches, and how it feels to kick someone's ass has been replaced by tiktok likes and feels based on how many dopamine hits a dumbass kid can generate with his stupid youtube post link |
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Post by Defcord on Jun 29, 2021 16:40:47 GMT -6
I think that is such an under-discused part of youth/HS athletics AND I think it has been magnified greatly by youth/travel ball. I never really thought about it in these terms before, but I am now quite positive that kids become so enamored with all of the "trappings" of these fancy youth sports clubs/travel ball teams (the fancy uniforms, bags, warm up gear, rings, travel, etc) that competing in the sport becomes secondary to those things. This becomes problematic for them and for coaches as they get older because now it has become the expectation of players and parents (insert eyeroll) to have all of glitz. The "fun" in youth sports is being shifted from playing the sport and competing to all of the other aspects they see. Just spent Saturday at an AAU track meet. Watched an 8 year old run the 100m with sunglasses, necklace, armsleeves etc in 23.35 (for reference the slowest qualifying time for the 8 year old Junior Olympics from this region was 15.63 and there was a 6 year old who ran 17.78). Obviously my issue isn't that the young guy is slow, but it is that his parents/coach whoever is essentially having him play dress up like an Olympian in the pursuit of his fun. Just like older generations might have done by wearing their favorite Roger Staubach or Terry Bradshaw or Archie Manning Jersey. The difference being those generations played dress up in the front yard and there was a clear division between actual contact football and yard football. For this athletes, the adults are trying to make it "fun" with all of the added stuff which essentially replaces the actual sport as the source of pleasure for the kids. well put, the intrinsic value of football and what it teaches, and how it feels to kick someone's ass has been replaced by tiktok likes and feels based on how many dopamine hits a dumbass kid can generate with his stupid youtube post linkI was rooting for the kid sitting on the truck to fall out when they hit that speed bump. |
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Post by tog on Jun 29, 2021 16:44:39 GMT -6
well put, the intrinsic value of football and what it teaches, and how it feels to kick someone's ass has been replaced by tiktok likes and feels based on how many dopamine hits a dumbass kid can generate with his stupid youtube post linkI was rooting for the kid sitting on the truck to fall out when they hit that speed bump. I wouldn't want an innocent kid to get hurt but that asssshole? by all means |
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Post by coachwoodall on Jun 30, 2021 15:22:25 GMT -6
I.E. all the 'stuff' that isn't part of the game
In my sports psychology class 30 years ago we spent a lot of time on the intrinsic versus extrinsic motivation stuff. Back then it was focused on how to shift from extrinsic to intrinsic, and where to draw the line between the two; however it was still a huge topic. The difference now obviously is an easily accessible extrinsic 'hit' that is is magnified and happens much more often, but it is still about how to create a switch mechanism to change the behavior. And that is the world we live in and we can't roll back the clock.
Here's another way of thinking about it; what do gangs and terrorists do that we want from our teams? Both have dedicated members, both have members committed to a cause, both have a common identity, both have give the members a sense of value, and both use extrinsic motivational techniques to draw members into the fold. Do we want to let these organizations out work us?
I hate all the FaceTwitterGramTok crap too. But the kids are getting all these social media messages, links, hits, gratification long before they ever step foot into our locker room. I'm not saying we have to like it, but in reality other than the speed of the response/gratification/dopamine hit, it is no different than the message a kid got 'back in the day' at the barber shop/drive in/church/grandparents Sunday dinner table when I was growing up.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 30, 2021 16:06:48 GMT -6
I.E. all the 'stuff' that isn't part of the game In my sports psychology class 30 years ago we spent a lot of time on the intrinsic versus extrinsic motivation stuff. Back then it was focused on how to shift from extrinsic to intrinsic, and where to draw the line between the two; however it was still a huge topic. The difference now obviously is an easily accessible extrinsic 'hit' that is is magnified and happens much more often, but it is still about how to create a switch mechanism to change the behavior. And that is the world we live in and we can't roll back the clock. Here's another way of thinking about it; what do gangs and terrorists do that we want from our teams? Both have dedicated members, both have members committed to a cause, both have a common identity, both have give the members a sense of value, and both use extrinsic motivational techniques to draw members into the fold. Do we want to let these organizations out work us? I hate all the FaceTwitterGramTok crap too. But the kids are getting all these social media messages, links, hits, gratification long before they ever step foot into our locker room. I'm not saying we have to like it, but in reality other than the speed of the response/gratification/dopamine hit, it is no different than the message a kid got 'back in the day' at the barber shop/drive in/church/grandparents Sunday dinner table when I was growing up. So you got congratulatory messages for wearing pink socks and an armsleeves or having a "cool entrance" at the drive in? I agree with you that issues are long before the locker room, but I don't necessarily think it is driven by the social media stuff exclusively. As I alluded to, with youth sports often mirroring big time athletics through all of the fancy trappings (fancy uniforms, alternate uniforms, multiple sets of warm up gear, sound system backed "run throughs", getting rings every weekend from tournaments etc) do kids have much to look forward to as the get older like they did "back in the day". I would argue that the difference between youth and HS ball today is quite different than that difference was years ago. |
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Post by tog on Jun 30, 2021 16:07:57 GMT -6
I.E. all the 'stuff' that isn't part of the game In my sports psychology class 30 years ago we spent a lot of time on the intrinsic versus extrinsic motivation stuff. Back then it was focused on how to shift from extrinsic to intrinsic, and where to draw the line between the two; however it was still a huge topic. The difference now obviously is an easily accessible extrinsic 'hit' that is is magnified and happens much more often, but it is still about how to create a switch mechanism to change the behavior. And that is the world we live in and we can't roll back the clock. Here's another way of thinking about it; what do gangs and terrorists do that we want from our teams? Both have dedicated members, both have members committed to a cause, both have a common identity, both have give the members a sense of value, and both use extrinsic motivational techniques to draw members into the fold. Do we want to let these organizations out work us? I hate all the FaceTwitterGramTok crap too. But the kids are getting all these social media messages, links, hits, gratification long before they ever step foot into our locker room. I'm not saying we have to like it, but in reality other than the speed of the response/gratification/dopamine hit, it is no different than the message a kid got 'back in the day' at the barber shop/drive in/church/grandparents Sunday dinner table when I was growing up. great post my thought as a soon to retire type let the newbies figure out all this extrinsic bs means nothing, the tide will turn back to reality soon enough |
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 30, 2021 16:46:46 GMT -6
the tide will turn back to reality soon enough I've been hoping that for 20 years. I think we've jumped that shark. |
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Post by bobdoc78 on Jun 30, 2021 17:20:14 GMT -6
In NJ we have more assistant openings and some schools multiple jobs. There are more coordinator positions open than previous years. Its hard to find football coaches and refs.
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Post by tog on Jun 30, 2021 18:14:12 GMT -6
the tide will turn back to reality soon enough I've been hoping that for 20 years. I think we've jumped that shark. then the game is screwed and I will go watch the corn flow in the wind instead |
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Post by coachwoodall on Jun 30, 2021 19:26:16 GMT -6
I.E. all the 'stuff' that isn't part of the game In my sports psychology class 30 years ago we spent a lot of time on the intrinsic versus extrinsic motivation stuff. Back then it was focused on how to shift from extrinsic to intrinsic, and where to draw the line between the two; however it was still a huge topic. The difference now obviously is an easily accessible extrinsic 'hit' that is is magnified and happens much more often, but it is still about how to create a switch mechanism to change the behavior. And that is the world we live in and we can't roll back the clock. Here's another way of thinking about it; what do gangs and terrorists do that we want from our teams? Both have dedicated members, both have members committed to a cause, both have a common identity, both have give the members a sense of value, and both use extrinsic motivational techniques to draw members into the fold. Do we want to let these organizations out work us? I hate all the FaceTwitterGramTok crap too. But the kids are getting all these social media messages, links, hits, gratification long before they ever step foot into our locker room. I'm not saying we have to like it, but in reality other than the speed of the response/gratification/dopamine hit, it is no different than the message a kid got 'back in the day' at the barber shop/drive in/church/grandparents Sunday dinner table when I was growing up. So you got congratulatory messages for wearing pink socks and an armsleeves or having a "cool entrance" at the drive in? I agree with you that issues are long before the locker room, but I don't necessarily think it is driven by the social media stuff exclusively. As I alluded to, with youth sports often mirroring big time athletics through all of the fancy trappings (fancy uniforms, alternate uniforms, multiple sets of warm up gear, sound system backed "run throughs", getting rings every weekend from tournaments etc) do kids have much to look forward to as the get older like they did "back in the day". I would argue that the difference between youth and HS ball today is quite different than that difference was years ago. No congratulatory pink wearing..... b/c no guy would wear pink/was a thing/etc... BUT getting to wear a certain facemark, having a forearm pad, and CERTAINLY getting a neck roll was a big deal. When the HC called me in to give me 1st pick on a helmet and shoulder pads, THAT made my day as a young shave tail player. When I was a senior getting to break out of the banner and touch the 'hive' was a big deal (we were the hornets and it was like touching Howard's Rock at a Clemson game). Kids aren't really that different today than I was. I played football to try and see if I was tough enough to hurt people. BUT was also that insecure kid who wanted to fit in. I liked the Nike Sharks, wrist bands, neck rolls, etc.... I would argue that the only difference is the method of broadcasting youth football. If my dad wasn't at the game, he had to get the recap from me or my mom. The only record of my 6 YO undefeated championship season is a tiny trophy in my man cave. I don't think we are arguing two different points of view, I think we are discussing two different perspectives of the same thing. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 30, 2021 19:35:06 GMT -6
So you got congratulatory messages for wearing pink socks and an armsleeves or having a "cool entrance" at the drive in? I agree with you that issues are long before the locker room, but I don't necessarily think it is driven by the social media stuff exclusively. As I alluded to, with youth sports often mirroring big time athletics through all of the fancy trappings (fancy uniforms, alternate uniforms, multiple sets of warm up gear, sound system backed "run throughs", getting rings every weekend from tournaments etc) do kids have much to look forward to as the get older like they did "back in the day". I would argue that the difference between youth and HS ball today is quite different than that difference was years ago. No congratulatory pink wearing..... b/c no guy would wear pink/was a thing/etc... BUT getting to wear a certain facemark, having a forearm pad, and CERTAINLY getting a neck roll was a big deal. When the HC called me in to give me 1st pick on a helmet and shoulder pads, THAT made my day as a young shave tail player. When I was a senior getting to break out of the banner and touch the 'hive' was a big deal (we were the hornets and it was like touching Howard's Rock at a Clemson game). Kids aren't really that different today than I was. I played football to try and see if I was tough enough to hurt people. BUT was also that insecure kid who wanted to fit in. I liked the Nike Sharks, wrist bands, neck rolls, etc.... I would argue that the only difference is the method of broadcasting youth football. If my dad wasn't at the game, he had to get the recap from me or my mom. The only record of my 6 YO undefeated championship season is a tiny trophy in my man cave. I don't think we are arguing two different points of view, I think we are discussing two different perspectives of the same thing. Somewhat – the things you were describing though we’re all things that happened to you as a high school player correct? Not an 8 year old? My point is that now 8 year olds are running through the banners (or inflatables) and touching “the hive”. So it isnt a thing as a highschooler. You were excited to do that as a senior- now the kids are “doing that” for 5 years before they play Frosh ball. Those things become the allure, not the actual act of playing football. |
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Post by coachwoodall on Jun 30, 2021 20:17:23 GMT -6
No congratulatory pink wearing..... b/c no guy would wear pink/was a thing/etc... BUT getting to wear a certain facemark, having a forearm pad, and CERTAINLY getting a neck roll was a big deal. When the HC called me in to give me 1st pick on a helmet and shoulder pads, THAT made my day as a young shave tail player. When I was a senior getting to break out of the banner and touch the 'hive' was a big deal (we were the hornets and it was like touching Howard's Rock at a Clemson game). Kids aren't really that different today than I was. I played football to try and see if I was tough enough to hurt people. BUT was also that insecure kid who wanted to fit in. I liked the Nike Sharks, wrist bands, neck rolls, etc.... I would argue that the only difference is the method of broadcasting youth football. If my dad wasn't at the game, he had to get the recap from me or my mom. The only record of my 6 YO undefeated championship season is a tiny trophy in my man cave. I don't think we are arguing two different points of view, I think we are discussing two different perspectives of the same thing. Somewhat – the things you were describing though we’re all things that happened to you as a high school player correct? Not an 8 year old? My point is that now 8 year olds are running through the banners (or inflatables) and touching “the hive”. So it isnt a thing as a highschooler. You were excited to do that as a senior- now the kids are “doing that” for 5 years before they play Frosh ball. Those things become the allure, not the actual act of playing football. I get what you're saying to a certain degree. But even when I was playing little man football 'the gear' was a big deal. Getting a certain face mask, having a certain cleat color, getting sweat bands, even having a XL hooding I could wear over my pads was a big deal. Hades, getting to wear one of my old man's used under shirt as my practice jersey was a big deal. Having the local Coca-Cola plant sponsor/supply a half time 6 1/2 bottle for every kid made me think I was in the 'big time'. The inflatable helmet of today was the butcher paper banner our moms made in the yesterday. The sleeves of today were the Kramer pads of yesterday. The Twitter video of today was the parade float of yesterday. When I was a kid we wanted to look like a 'football player'. Where I grew up, little man football was a big deal. The local rec department has MANY 'state championships' at multiple age levels. The local Christmas parade would have a float for the team(s) that won said championship. It was a big deal. I guess you have to look at it as what is the relevant big deal at a certain point in time. |
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Post by coachwoodall on Jun 30, 2021 20:32:01 GMT -6
Again I don't like having to police forty-eleven different social media platforms to make sure no player is violating team policy. I don't like having to compete with which little league has the best gear/Twitter account/tallest trophy. I don't like having to promote a program that 'cares more' about athletes. I don't like having to make sure we have the latest/greatest/bestest short length/cut/fit/whatever. I don't like having to smile and like it when players spend more time in the summer going to camps/combines to get offers than working with their teammates.
BUT if we don't then we better have a plan in place as to WHY those things don't matter. Because the players and/or parents WILL want to know. I can't and no one else can control what they consider important.
Those are the parameters in which we have to work. And those will probably drive me off the grass. I LOVE being on the grass coaching kids and that is what turns my crank. When the other gets in the way of turning my crank then I figure out how much I love piddling in my back yard or basement. Or I'll go find a little league that wants to learn how to win.
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Post by tog on Jun 30, 2021 20:45:08 GMT -6
Again I don't like having to police forty-eleven different social media platforms to make sure no player is violating team policy. I don't like having to compete with which little league has the best gear/Twitter account/tallest trophy. I don't like having to promote a program that 'cares more' about athletes. I don't like having to make sure we have the latest/greatest/bestest short length/cut/fit/whatever. I don't like having to smile and like it when players spend more time in the summer going to camps/combines to get offers than working with their teammates. BUT if we don't then we better have a plan in place as to WHY those things don't matter. Because the players and/or parents WILL want to know. I can't and no one else can control what they consider important. Those are the parameters in which we have to work. And those will probably drive me off the grass. I LOVE being on the grass coaching kids and that is what turns my crank. When the other gets in the way of turning my crank then I figure out how much I love piddling in my back yard or basement. Or I'll go find a little league that wants to learn how to win. it's way past that time for me man dfw texas football has gone full retard on this shiiiiit sick of it retiring |
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Post by larrymoe on Aug 4, 2021 20:46:49 GMT -6
My daughter played volleyball and soccer this year. The last 2 weeks of volleyball they also had soccer practice. She would often go to soccer for an hour to an hour and a half before going to volleyball for two. They're still playing soccer until potentially mid June depending on advancement and they're starting volleyball off season in a week. She isn't playing volleyball next year and none of us are real disappointed about it. I didn't know where else to post this, but I thought I'd post it here because it absolutely stupefied me. My daughter's friend is a D1 volleyball player who's already signed to Valpo. Her mom has been receiving Facebook messages telling/asking her for her daughter to not play this year since she's already signed to "give some of the other girls a chance to get noticed". I can't imagine telling your lone D1 athlete in the school (male or female) to not play so others can get "noticed". |
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Post by bleefb on Aug 8, 2021 1:09:19 GMT -6
My daughter played volleyball and soccer this year. The last 2 weeks of volleyball they also had soccer practice. She would often go to soccer for an hour to an hour and a half before going to volleyball for two. They're still playing soccer until potentially mid June depending on advancement and they're starting volleyball off season in a week. She isn't playing volleyball next year and none of us are real disappointed about it. I didn't know where else to post this, but I thought I'd post it here because it absolutely stupefied me. My daughter's friend is a D1 volleyball player who's already signed to Valpo. Her mom has been receiving Facebook messages telling/asking her for her daughter to not play this year since she's already signed to "give some of the other girls a chance to get noticed". I can't imagine telling your lone D1 athlete in the school (male or female) to not play so others can get "noticed". Parents don't want to win now except in how it reflects on their kid. Getting "noticed" is the only priority.  |
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Post by larrymoe on Aug 8, 2021 6:28:13 GMT -6
I didn't know where else to post this, but I thought I'd post it here because it absolutely stupefied me. My daughter's friend is a D1 volleyball player who's already signed to Valpo. Her mom has been receiving Facebook messages telling/asking her for her daughter to not play this year since she's already signed to "give some of the other girls a chance to get noticed". I can't imagine telling your lone D1 athlete in the school (male or female) to not play so others can get "noticed". Parents don't want to win now except in how it reflects on their kid. Getting "noticed" is the only priority. None of them are ever going to get noticed though. They're an abysmal team without even another D3 player on the squad. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2021 6:39:26 GMT -6
Parents don't want to win now except in how it reflects on their kid. Getting "noticed" is the only priority. None of them are ever going to get noticed though. They're an abysmal team without even another D3 player on the squad. More to the point, they have been noticed coaches from colleges, and there is no desire to have them play at any school much less there school. |
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Post by fantom on Aug 8, 2021 7:46:24 GMT -6
My daughter played volleyball and soccer this year. The last 2 weeks of volleyball they also had soccer practice. She would often go to soccer for an hour to an hour and a half before going to volleyball for two. They're still playing soccer until potentially mid June depending on advancement and they're starting volleyball off season in a week. She isn't playing volleyball next year and none of us are real disappointed about it. I didn't know where else to post this, but I thought I'd post it here because it absolutely stupefied me. My daughter's friend is a D1 volleyball player who's already signed to Valpo. Her mom has been receiving Facebook messages telling/asking her for her daughter to not play this year since she's already signed to "give some of the other girls a chance to get noticed". I can't imagine telling your lone D1 athlete in the school (male or female) to not play so others can get "noticed". It's not just selfish. It's also stupidly counter-productive. There are a lot of athletes in college and the pros who got noticed when scouts originally showed up to look at somebody else. |
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Post by tog on Aug 8, 2021 9:22:50 GMT -6
that's some funny stuff, I can't stand all this pj fleck made up used car salesman bs hype train crap nor do I really care if "the kids" like it if they like that stuff more than the game, they won't be great at the game I think that is such an under-discused part of youth/HS athletics AND I think it has been magnified greatly by youth/travel ball. I never really thought about it in these terms before, but I am now quite positive that kids become so enamored with all of the "trappings" of these fancy youth sports clubs/travel ball teams (the fancy uniforms, bags, warm up gear, rings, travel, etc) that competing in the sport becomes secondary to those things. This becomes problematic for them and for coaches as they get older because now it has become the expectation of players and parents (insert eyeroll) to have all of glitz. The "fun" in youth sports is being shifted from playing the sport and competing to all of the other aspects they see. Just spent Saturday at an AAU track meet. Watched an 8 year old run the 100m with sunglasses, necklace, armsleeves etc in 23.35 (for reference the slowest qualifying time for the 8 year old Junior Olympics from this region was 15.63 and there was a 6 year old who ran 17.78). Obviously my issue isn't that the young guy is slow, but it is that his parents/coach whoever is essentially having him play dress up like an Olympian in the pursuit of his fun. Just like older generations might have done by wearing their favorite Roger Staubach or Terry Bradshaw or Archie Manning Jersey. The difference being those generations played dress up in the front yard and there was a clear division between actual contact football and yard football. For this athletes, the adults are trying to make it "fun" with all of the added stuff which essentially replaces the actual sport as the source of pleasure for the kids. hype videos about their new swag is more important than winning |
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Post by coachcb on Aug 8, 2021 15:36:36 GMT -6
that's some funny stuff, I can't stand all this pj fleck made up used car salesman bs hype train crap nor do I really care if "the kids" like it if they like that stuff more than the game, they won't be great at the game I think that is such an under-discused part of youth/HS athletics AND I think it has been magnified greatly by youth/travel ball. I never really thought about it in these terms before, but I am now quite positive that kids become so enamored with all of the "trappings" of these fancy youth sports clubs/travel ball teams (the fancy uniforms, bags, warm up gear, rings, travel, etc) that competing in the sport becomes secondary to those things. This becomes problematic for them and for coaches as they get older because now it has become the expectation of players and parents (insert eyeroll) to have all of glitz. The "fun" in youth sports is being shifted from playing the sport and competing to all of the other aspects they see. Just spent Saturday at an AAU track meet. Watched an 8 year old run the 100m with sunglasses, necklace, armsleeves etc in 23.35 (for reference the slowest qualifying time for the 8 year old Junior Olympics from this region was 15.63 and there was a 6 year old who ran 17.78). Obviously my issue isn't that the young guy is slow, but it is that his parents/coach whoever is essentially having him play dress up like an Olympian in the pursuit of his fun. Just like older generations might have done by wearing their favorite Roger Staubach or Terry Bradshaw or Archie Manning Jersey. The difference being those generations played dress up in the front yard and there was a clear division between actual contact football and yard football. For this athletes, the adults are trying to make it "fun" with all of the added stuff which essentially replaces the actual sport as the source of pleasure for the kids. The last time I coached youth football (about a decade ago) the parents from both teams asked the commissioner if they could bring two inflatable helmets and smoke machines onto the edges of the field for team introductions. Thankfully, the head groundskeeper of the parks we played at shut that crap down. |
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