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Post by newhope on Jun 9, 2021 7:04:55 GMT -6
In my check in with a private client I asked when his off-season workouts start (currently a dead week here). Him: This Friday from 6-10 Me: Is that some kind of kickoff event? Him: No it'll be Monday through Friday 6-10 all summer. WOOOO buddy am I glad I'm not on that coaching staff. that is absolutely ridiculous...I can't believe the parents put up with that, much less the coaches |
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Post by newhope on Jun 9, 2021 7:13:19 GMT -6
I asked what they were doing for four hours 5 days / week. Lift (this spring they just did bench, TBDL and back squat... no super sets, aux's or variations), condition (lots of gassers), agility (this spring was just the L Drill & shuttle on repeat LOL) and a full practice after (indy, 7on7, team, etc). If a coach can't get his team coached up and ready to play without all that nonsense, maybe he doesn't have the teaching and leadership skills necessary to be a head coach. Just sayin'. Here's one of the best lessons I learned: Just a few years back I took over this program. We had 2 DBs who had been starters the year before and who were supposed to be pretty good players. Both were in family situations where they were gone the entire summer, something beyond the players' control--we didn't get to work with them all summer. They were both there when official practice started. They were never lost, never out of place, ready to play from day 1. Both made all-conference, both were stellar players all season--including game 1. It made me rethink some things. |
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Post by Defcord on Jun 9, 2021 9:02:01 GMT -6
In my check in with a private client I asked when his off-season workouts start (currently a dead week here). Him: This Friday from 6-10 Me: Is that some kind of kickoff event? Him: No it'll be Monday through Friday 6-10 all summer. WOOOO buddy am I glad I'm not on that coaching staff. that is absolutely ridiculous...I can't believe the parents put up with that, much less the coaches We go at 7, which means we have to get up earlier during the summer than during the school year. But we only go three days a week and we are in the south so if you don’t go early the heat can get brutal. It’s not too bad. Five days a week at 6am would be nuts. Hopefully it’s at a school where coaches get paid for their time in the summer. I don’t mind workouts and stuff during the summer cause it keeps a little structure in my life. What I really hate are camps that we stay overnight at. I’m at an age now that I want to shitt in my toilet and sleep in my own bed. |
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Post by newhope on Jun 9, 2021 10:11:53 GMT -6
that is absolutely ridiculous...I can't believe the parents put up with that, much less the coaches We go at 7, which means we have to get up earlier during the summer than during the school year. But we only go three days a week and we are in the south so if you don’t go early the heat can get brutal. It’s not too bad. Five days a week at 6am would be nuts. Hopefully it’s at a school where coaches get paid for their time in the summer. I don’t mind workouts and stuff during the summer cause it keeps a little structure in my life. What I really hate are camps that we stay overnight at. I’m at an age now that I want to shitt in my toilet and sleep in my own bed. Our district doesn't allow anything between 10 am and 5 pm during the summer. The guy who posted that is from Raleigh, so the coach he's referring to could be in same district--and the 6 am to 10 am would keep him in the guidelines. However, I'm pretty sure those 4 hour deals are a violation of the rules for off season workouts |
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Post by IronmanFootball on Jun 9, 2021 11:12:51 GMT -6
that is absolutely ridiculous...I can't believe the parents put up with that, much less the coaches We go at 7, which means we have to get up earlier during the summer than during the school year. But we only go three days a week and we are in the south so if you don’t go early the heat can get brutal. It’s not too bad. Five days a week at 6am would be nuts. Hopefully it’s at a school where coaches get paid for their time in the summer. I don’t mind workouts and stuff during the summer cause it keeps a little structure in my life. What I really hate are camps that we stay overnight at. I’m at an age now that I want to shitt in my toilet and sleep in my own bed. It's called Home Bowl Advantage, coach. And yes, I prefer it too! I enjoyed team camp but as a 'once ever' sort of thing. 6am is nuts. 7-9 is reasonable and in some areas the only legal way. In Orlando I did 9-11 but 935-11 was in the AC (15m break off your feet before a lift and yoga and typically last player was GONE by 10:50) |
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Post by CS on Jun 9, 2021 11:19:05 GMT -6
I was at a school that went at 6 am 3 days a week but we were done at 8. Farming community and we had to get them in there early or not get them at all
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Post by fantom on Jun 9, 2021 12:07:07 GMT -6
In my check in with a private client I asked when his off-season workouts start (currently a dead week here). Him: This Friday from 6-10 Me: Is that some kind of kickoff event? Him: No it'll be Monday through Friday 6-10 all summer. WOOOO buddy am I glad I'm not on that coaching staff. that is absolutely ridiculous...I can't believe the parents put up with that, much less the coaches For a $2000 stipend you don't get my a$$ up at oh-dark-thirty and keep it at the school for 20 hours a week in the OFF-SEASON. |
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 9, 2021 12:13:54 GMT -6
One of my favorite ironies in football coaching was the "grinders" who wasted time just to show dedication who also openly wondered why their numbers sucked.
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Post by fkaboneyard on Jun 9, 2021 13:52:31 GMT -6
I just remember being a high school kid forever ago and not starting "hell week" until August 15, first game about September 8. It gave players and coaches a shot at having a life and we always seemed to be prepared enough to field a team that wasn't trash. I actually worked for the HC in his cabinet shop building cabinets. I desperately needed the money (single mom and all that) and wanted to work 5 days a week. He told me, "Go out and have some fun. You'll burn out if you don't."
Looking back I don't know that I would have been willing to blow my entire summer having practice 4 hours a day, every day for 10-12 games. I know that the last few years that type of schedule had me questioning my willingness to continue coaching.
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 9, 2021 17:42:15 GMT -6
In 1993 (my Sr year) we had lifting (extremely voluntary) from 5-630, but kids could show up at any time during that window to lift. Had 1 camp for 1 week in July. I think for Tues nights in July our skills guys went to Illinois State for an informal 7on7 league. My Jr year they tried to have a linemen activity during those involving a medicine ball and a volleyball net. I played once. We also somehow managed to be competent week 1 running the Nebraska belly option from the I. I also worked 5 days a week at that time.
As a HC we would lift M, W and Th from 4-515ish. On Mondays we'd do some football stuff for about an hour after weights. 1 camp in June- 3 days and 1 in July- 4 days. Went to about 3 7on7 events a year. Twice to a local school for informal ones, once to a Saturday "tournament".
Had parents ask me my last two years why we weren't doing more because "X, Y and Z school does blah, blah, blah". I already thought we were doing too much and judging by kids showing up, they thought so too. But, that keeping up with the Joneses can be a mother effer.
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Post by bleefb on Jun 9, 2021 17:57:57 GMT -6
Had parents ask me my last two years why we weren't doing more because "X, Y and Z school does blah, blah, blah". I already thought we were doing too much and judging by kids showing up, they thought so too. But, that keeping up with the Joneses can be a mother effer. I think that "keeping up with the Joneses" mentality, that we caught from the Baseball and Basketball coaches, is the biggest reason we're losing kids and coaches. Besides the ridiculous time demands, does it REALLY make you that much better? Our Baseball team was one of the first to really do a year round program that they controlled. I was the pitching coach for several years during the season but not the off season because I was coaching football. I remember we had a pitcher who was very average but Dad was the typical Baseball Dad and was convinced his kid was going to get drafted and that the year round stuff would make the difference. Unfortunately all it meant was his kid got lit up in high school ball,summer ball, fall ball and winter ball. This happened over and over, but once you start it, there's no turning back.  |
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Post by morris on Jun 9, 2021 18:04:43 GMT -6
June is voluntary. I don’t get overly concerned with it. We go 9-12. That is so we can adjust do to heat and weather.
We typically don’t keep them until 12. The school has meals provided from 11-12 so we try to make sure the kids can get food if they want to. In those three hours we do speed work, sprint mechanics, lift and some O, D, ST. We don’t work a some crazy pace. It’s almost preloading for official practice in July.
In July I don’t get to worked up on who is there. We have kids that are doing travel baseball or whatever. I don’t give them crap. We coach up who we have when we have them. The ones that put in part time work they get part time playing time.
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Post by bleefb on Jun 10, 2021 0:11:14 GMT -6
We had 29 coaches step down/ fired in our area this year. That's definitely more than usual, and some were at powerhouse programs.
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Post by wolverine55 on Jun 10, 2021 5:37:45 GMT -6
I asked what they were doing for four hours 5 days / week. Lift (this spring they just did bench, TBDL and back squat... no super sets, aux's or variations), condition (lots of gassers), agility (this spring was just the L Drill & shuttle on repeat LOL) and a full practice after (indy, 7on7, team, etc). If a coach can't get his team coached up and ready to play without all that nonsense, maybe he doesn't have the teaching and leadership skills necessary to be a head coach. Just sayin'. Here's one of the best lessons I learned: Just a few years back I took over this program. We had 2 DBs who had been starters the year before and who were supposed to be pretty good players. Both were in family situations where they were gone the entire summer, something beyond the players' control--we didn't get to work with them all summer. They were both there when official practice started. They were never lost, never out of place, ready to play from day 1. Both made all-conference, both were stellar players all season--including game 1. It made me rethink some things. Ironically, my example involves two DBs as well. This was the summer of 2013 and our starting safeties were about all we returned from the year before as we were senior-heavy in 2012. Then, these two each made a 7 on 7 and almost nothing else all summer. As we were having our last staff meeting before official practice started, our HC said, "Guys, I know we're all a little down on Patrick and Bryce right now. Just remember they're two of our best football players." And, they were just fine by week 1. About a year ago, I bought a house and Patrick's wife was my realtor actually! |
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Post by IronmanFootball on Jun 10, 2021 9:17:17 GMT -6
that is absolutely ridiculous...I can't believe the parents put up with that, much less the coaches For a $2000 stipend you don't get my a$$ up at oh-dark-thirty and keep it at the school for 20 hours a week in the OFF-SEASON. That's my thing, I'm cool with 7-9 especially if it fits the rules and that's it for the day. I love S&C so the 'off-season program' isn't a negative for me like it is for the X/O "football guy" guys. |
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 11, 2021 16:03:21 GMT -6
We had a first year guy quit halfway through the 6 game spring season over parents and the AD. There's about double the jobs open in our area that there would be in a normal year. People are just tired of dealing with the BS. And I don't blame them in the least. Teachers? Places here in Central Illinois are having problems finding PE teachers. When I got my HC/SS job in 2010 there were a combined 60 applications. When I left in 2017 there were 6 for football and 4 for SS. And we went 42-28 in those years. My wife's school recently paid for her to go get her special ed certificate because they had no one apply for the position. Yeah I know that's why you quit, you got tired of the BS Pretty high on that list is also this kind of stuff and the expectation for everyone to do this fake, manufactured BS- |
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Post by tripsclosed on Jun 11, 2021 16:12:50 GMT -6
Yeah I know that's why you quit, you got tired of the BS Pretty high on that list is also this kind of stuff and the expectation for everyone to do this fake, manufactured BS- Someone on here recently talked about how it bothers them that they are expected to be a freaking pastor-figure to their team. I personally believe that outside of the football coaching part, coaching is pretty much what you choose to make it. If you want to be a pastor-figure, more power to you. But, if you are there just to coach ball, I think as long as you are a good example and have some basic behavioral expectations, then I don't think you should be expected to do anymore than that. EDIT: That video, good god that $#it gets on my nerves |
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Post by blb on Jun 11, 2021 16:22:42 GMT -6
Yeah I know that's why you quit, you got tired of the BS Pretty high on that list is also this kind of stuff and the expectation for everyone to do this fake, manufactured BS- "Once that flip switches..." LOL. It should be "Once that SWITCH FLIPS..." |
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 11, 2021 16:55:59 GMT -6
Pretty high on that list is also this kind of stuff and the expectation for everyone to do this fake, manufactured BS- Someone on here recently talked about how it bothers them that they are expected to be a freaking pastor-figure to their team. I personally believe that outside of the football coaching part, coaching is pretty much what you choose to make it. If you want to be a pastor-figure, more power to you. But, if you are there just to coach ball, I think as long as you are a good example and have some basic behavioral expectations, then I don't think you should be expected to do anymore than that. EDIT: That video, good god that $#it gets on my nerves I think the issue I take with this stuff is how it becomes ANOTHER expectation of you to do in the job. I could care less if people do this stupid {censored}, but eventually someone mimics it. Then your kids, parents or admins see it and ask or expect you to do it. When you don't you're an a-hole and it just adds another twig to the fire that constantly is burning under your feet. |
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 11, 2021 16:56:41 GMT -6
Pretty high on that list is also this kind of stuff and the expectation for everyone to do this fake, manufactured BS- "Once that flip switches..." LOL. It should be "Once that SWITCH FLIPS..." Nothing like putting one's ignorance on display for all to see. I think that's on purpose. |
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Post by tripsclosed on Jun 11, 2021 16:59:41 GMT -6
Pretty high on that list is also this kind of stuff and the expectation for everyone to do this fake, manufactured BS- "Once that flip switches..." LOL. It should be "Once that SWITCH FLIPS..." Nothing like putting one's ignorance on display for all to see. LOL I noticed that, too. I can only hope it was intentional... |
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Post by tripsclosed on Jun 11, 2021 17:01:04 GMT -6
Someone on here recently talked about how it bothers them that they are expected to be a freaking pastor-figure to their team. I personally believe that outside of the football coaching part, coaching is pretty much what you choose to make it. If you want to be a pastor-figure, more power to you. But, if you are there just to coach ball, I think as long as you are a good example and have some basic behavioral expectations, then I don't think you should be expected to do anymore than that. EDIT: That video, good god that $#it gets on my nerves I think the issue I take with this stuff is how it becomes ANOTHER expectation of you to do in the job. I could care less if people do this stupid {censored}, but eventually someone mimics it. Then your kids, parents or admins see it and ask or expect you to do it. When you don't you're an a-hole and it just adds another twig to the fire that constantly is burning under your feet. The proverbial arms race. Dont you just love game theory? |
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 11, 2021 17:07:04 GMT -6
Someone on here recently talked about how it bothers them that they are expected to be a freaking pastor-figure to their team. I personally believe that outside of the football coaching part, coaching is pretty much what you choose to make it. If you want to be a pastor-figure, more power to you. But, if you are there just to coach ball, I think as long as you are a good example and have some basic behavioral expectations, then I don't think you should be expected to do anymore than that. EDIT: That video, good god that $#it gets on my nerves I think the issue I take with this stuff is how it becomes ANOTHER expectation of you to do in the job. I could care less if people do this stupid {censored}, but eventually someone mimics it. Then your kids, parents or admins see it and ask or expect you to do it. When you don't you're an a-hole and it just adds another twig to the fire that constantly is burning under your feet. Agreed. "Oh look, that's cool. Let's do it". If it isn't something that is organic or comes naturally from your program, it just becomes a tremendous pain in the butt I would imagine. |
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Post by Defcord on Jun 12, 2021 4:56:10 GMT -6
I think the issue I take with this stuff is how it becomes ANOTHER expectation of you to do in the job. I could care less if people do this stupid {censored}, but eventually someone mimics it. Then your kids, parents or admins see it and ask or expect you to do it. When you don't you're an a-hole and it just adds another twig to the fire that constantly is burning under your feet. Agreed. "Oh look, that's cool. Let's do it". If it isn't something that is organic or comes naturally from your program, it just becomes a tremendous pain in the butt I would imagine. I agree with this. But I think a lot of kids see this stuff online and want to recreate it. And some coaches are happy to do that for the kids. Then some coaches are attention whores and do it for themselves to get attention and recognition. |
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Post by IronmanFootball on Jun 12, 2021 6:08:35 GMT -6
BTW everyone those 6-10's are 5 days / week and 8-10's are on Saturday. Yes, summer workouts, 6 days / week, all summer long.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2021 6:14:05 GMT -6
BTW everyone those 6-10's are 5 days / week and 8-10's are on Saturday. Yes, summer workouts, 6 days / week, all summer long. F That!!!!! |
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 17, 2021 16:45:01 GMT -6
A recent list I saw from a vendor who works with coaches has Illinois at 50 jobs that are open/have changed coaches. I know of at least 2 jobs that are open he didn't post, so I would estimate it to be at over 60. That's since the season ended in May.
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Post by tog on Jun 25, 2021 19:54:06 GMT -6
I can retire
guess what?
I am going to
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Post by wingtol on Jun 26, 2021 7:57:11 GMT -6
I asked what they were doing for four hours 5 days / week. Lift (this spring they just did bench, TBDL and back squat... no super sets, aux's or variations), condition (lots of gassers), agility (this spring was just the L Drill & shuttle on repeat LOL) and a full practice after (indy, 7on7, team, etc). If a coach can't get his team coached up and ready to play without all that nonsense, maybe he doesn't have the teaching and leadership skills necessary to be a head coach. Just sayin'. Here's one of the best lessons I learned: Just a few years back I took over this program. We had 2 DBs who had been starters the year before and who were supposed to be pretty good players. Both were in family situations where they were gone the entire summer, something beyond the players' control--we didn't get to work with them all summer. They were both there when official practice started. They were never lost, never out of place, ready to play from day 1. Both made all-conference, both were stellar players all season--including game 1. It made me rethink some things. It's amazing how often we forget as HS coaches that no matter what you do off season pre season etc... some kids are just better than everyone else no matter what they do. I would guarantee you at the vast majority of HS programs you could make a list of starters for next year as soon as the horn blows on your last game of the season no matter what they do. Kids that age are resilient and can get ready alot quicker than we think they can. Now of course it helps to get bigger faster stronger in the offseason but we often forget that the dudes are the dudes no matter what they do. |
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Post by tog on Jun 28, 2021 8:47:32 GMT -6
Pretty high on that list is also this kind of stuff and the expectation for everyone to do this fake, manufactured BS- "Once that flip switches..." LOL. It should be "Once that SWITCH FLIPS..." that's some funny stuff, I can't stand all this pj fleck made up used car salesman bs hype train crap nor do I really care if "the kids" like it if they like that stuff more than the game, they won't be great at the game |
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