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Post by dblwngr on Jun 1, 2021 16:47:19 GMT -6
I coach in Oregon and I have never seen so many HC job openings in my life! Not just programs that struggled, I'm talking programs with a history of winning.
I'm guessing it's probably one of two reasons or a combo of both....
1. Coaching in a world of covid protocols, low numbers added to the everyday stuff a HC deals with was just enough to be the straw that broke the camels back.
2. Coaches got a taste of a shortened season or no season at all and realized, "This is kind of nice seeing my family and doing things I couldn't normally do."
What's your state looking like?
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Post by kylem56 on Jun 1, 2021 17:02:23 GMT -6
I am in Michigan but live in Ohio and I would say there is more turnover than usual. COVID protocols, especially in the schools, forced alot of coaches to just say "I've had enough" and its getting harder to be a teacher-coach every year from my conversations.
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Post by waddles52 on Jun 1, 2021 17:15:43 GMT -6
I'm in Washington state. Feels like it's pretty par for the course but they are all getting posted much later than normal. A half-dozen or so in the last week. A bi-product of playing in the winter/spring I assume but most places are starting spring ball for the upcoming season in the next week or two.
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Post by realdawg on Jun 1, 2021 17:57:34 GMT -6
I’m in NC. Don’t see much more in terms of HC turnover. But it’s becoming REALLY hard to find teacher/coaches. People just aren’t going into the field.
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 1, 2021 18:26:42 GMT -6
We had a first year guy quit halfway through the 6 game spring season over parents and the AD. There's about double the jobs open in our area that there would be in a normal year.
People are just tired of dealing with the BS. And I don't blame them in the least.
Teachers? Places here in Central Illinois are having problems finding PE teachers. When I got my HC/SS job in 2010 there were a combined 60 applications. When I left in 2017 there were 6 for football and 4 for SS. And we went 42-28 in those years. My wife's school recently paid for her to go get her special ed certificate because they had no one apply for the position.
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Post by tripsclosed on Jun 1, 2021 19:17:49 GMT -6
We had a first year guy quit halfway through the 6 game spring season over parents and the AD. There's about double the jobs open in our area that there would be in a normal year. People are just tired of dealing with the BS. And I don't blame them in the least. Teachers? Places here in Central Illinois are having problems finding PE teachers. When I got my HC/SS job in 2010 there were a combined 60 applications. When I left in 2017 there were 6 for football and 4 for SS. And we went 42-28 in those years. My wife's school recently paid for her to go get her special ed certificate because they had no one apply for the position. Yeah I know that's why you quit, you got tired of the BS
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Post by 44dlcoach on Jun 1, 2021 20:07:53 GMT -6
I assume that for those states that played in the spring the incredibly short turnaround is at least some factor. I know it has me feeling worn the hell out.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 1, 2021 20:18:19 GMT -6
I coach in Oregon and I have never seen so many HC job openings in my life! Not just programs that struggled, I'm talking programs with a history of winning. I'm guessing it's probably one of two reasons or a combo of both.... 1. Coaching in a world of covid protocols, low numbers added to the everyday stuff a HC deals with was just enough to be the straw that broke the camels back. 2. Coaches got a taste of a shortened season or no season at all and realized, "This is kind of nice seeing my family and doing things I couldn't normally do." What's your state looking like? I think part of it too is the growing issue with parents. If you are a teacher/coach coaching probably creates the vast majority of your issues...and pays you the small minority of your money. Why put your actual bill paying job in jeopardy for a small stipend?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2021 20:41:38 GMT -6
Its a hard job. Here, my mentor will be gone in a year more than likely, which means my boss will probably be out of coaching in 2. My boss is aging fast. Kids are off the grid, parents lie, coaches say they are coming and dont, And my boss is banking buck.. and he will be gone more than likely in 2 yrs. And the administration thinks he walks on water.
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Post by wildcatslbcoach24 on Jun 1, 2021 23:13:07 GMT -6
I am in Michigan but live in Ohio and I would say there is more turnover than usual. COVID protocols, especially in the schools, forced alot of coaches to just say "I've had enough" and its getting harder to be a teacher-coach every year from my conversations. A lot of coaching openings in OH, but it’s one of the worst teacher markets I have ever seen. There are hardly any teaching jobs opening up.
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Post by blb on Jun 2, 2021 4:38:14 GMT -6
I am in Michigan but live in Ohio and I would say there is more turnover than usual. COVID protocols, especially in the schools, forced alot of coaches to just say "I've had enough" and its getting harder to be a teacher-coach every year from my conversations. On the web site www.tapatalk.com/groups/searnfootballforum/coaching-carousel-2020-21-edition-t14765.html we keep track of head coaching openings in MI and they seem to be about the same as in recent years - approximately 60-70 or around 10% of all football-playing schools.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2021 5:13:03 GMT -6
It seems like there are a few more than usual, but what’s been surprising is where these jobs are opening up.
Coaches at some “good jobs” are stepping down and it seems like about the same number of schools as usual are still firing coaches after the Covid-complicated fall season.
You’d think administrators would have better things to worry about with everything else going on this year, but that doesn’t seem to be the case.
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Post by fantom on Jun 2, 2021 8:27:42 GMT -6
I live in NC now and don't coach. From what I've seen there doesn't seem to be any more turnover than usual but, of course, I really don't know what "usual" is here. Back in Virginia, where I used to live and coach, it seems to be a different story. I can't speak for the whole state but there were an unusual number of coaches getting out in Tidewater.
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Post by tothehouse on Jun 2, 2021 8:32:53 GMT -6
I'm on the interview panel for a PE/football/baseball coaching position. I believe under 10 people applied. I believe we're only interviewing 4 people. 10-15-20 years ago there would have been 100 applicants for this job and all of them probably really good. I'm not sure we're going to hire the right person after this. That is what is scary.
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Post by dblwngr on Jun 2, 2021 9:47:47 GMT -6
I assume that for those states that played in the spring the incredibly short turnaround is at least some factor. I know it has me feeling worn the hell out. I'm with you, and betting the kids will be experiencing burn out this summer as well. Football/Soccer then Track/Baseball, ending with BB/Wrestling.....all jam packed into the back end of the school year while having to wear masks. We normally do some kind of summer camp but I'm guessing that doesn't happen for a number of reasons. We went the the state championship 2 seasons ago and went undefeated during this bazar season, that said, I bet we wouldn't have enough kids sign up to even make it worth while to go to a camp. It will be interesting to see how 7 on 7 plays out during the summer.
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 2, 2021 10:04:28 GMT -6
We had a first year guy quit halfway through the 6 game spring season over parents and the AD. There's about double the jobs open in our area that there would be in a normal year. People are just tired of dealing with the BS. And I don't blame them in the least. Teachers? Places here in Central Illinois are having problems finding PE teachers. When I got my HC/SS job in 2010 there were a combined 60 applications. When I left in 2017 there were 6 for football and 4 for SS. And we went 42-28 in those years. My wife's school recently paid for her to go get her special ed certificate because they had no one apply for the position. Yeah I know that's why you quit, you got tired of the BS It's toward the top of the list.
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 2, 2021 10:07:05 GMT -6
I assume that for those states that played in the spring the incredibly short turnaround is at least some factor. I know it has me feeling worn the hell out. I'm with you, and betting the kids will be experiencing burn out this summer as well. Football/Soccer then Track/Baseball, ending with BB/Wrestling.....all jam packed into the back end of the school year while having to wear masks. We normally do some kind of summer camp but I'm guessing that doesn't happen for a number of reasons. We went the the state championship 2 seasons ago and went undefeated during this bazar season, that said, I bet we wouldn't have enough kids sign up to even make it worth while to go to a camp. It will be interesting to see how 7 on 7 plays out during the summer. My daughter played volleyball and soccer this year. The last 2 weeks of volleyball they also had soccer practice. She would often go to soccer for an hour to an hour and a half before going to volleyball for two. They're still playing soccer until potentially mid June depending on advancement and they're starting volleyball off season in a week. She isn't playing volleyball next year and none of us are real disappointed about it.
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Post by coachcb on Jun 2, 2021 10:57:53 GMT -6
Our division will have four new HCs next year. We usually have one new HC per year but next season will be nuts. They've only filled two of the four positions right now.
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Post by aceback76 on Jun 2, 2021 11:43:27 GMT -6
I can't speak for ALL of Virginia, but in Central Virginia (Richmond area) it's no more turnover than usual.
As the film "TITANS" said in the opening scene: "In Virginia, High School football is a way of life". The Coaches in the GOOD programs are hanging in there, & waiting for a return to normal.
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Post by bigmoot2 on Jun 2, 2021 12:11:55 GMT -6
Georgia seems to be about normal. The one problem i'm seeing is its getting hard to find assistant coaches. I know several HCs of good programs that are still looking to fill a few spots.
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Post by coachwoodall on Jun 2, 2021 12:22:52 GMT -6
I wouldn't say more than usual, but for HCs it would on the higher side of usual and they seems to have gotten filled later than usual.... April/May as opposed to Jan/Feb.
ACs, is another story. I just got an update email from the association, and there are a BUNCH of AC positions with teaching jobs, PE included. There seems to be a higher search for ACs in other sports too. The June 1 email had 9 HS looking for ACs in football, most were looking for more than 1 and all were with teaching slots (some multiple certifications).
There is 1 HC opening at a really small rural school.
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Post by coachwoodall on Jun 2, 2021 12:25:57 GMT -6
On a side note, we were scheduled to go to a SEC school for 7 on 7 this Saturday (June 5) Last week they contacted us and asked if we would change and come next Thursday (June 10) because there were only 2 HS signed up to come.
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Post by agap on Jun 2, 2021 12:56:36 GMT -6
It didn't seem like there were more openings this year. I've heard the opposite of other people though. People have been excited to get out of the house after spending so much time at home in the past year.
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Post by wolverine55 on Jun 2, 2021 14:24:52 GMT -6
I don't have numbers to back this up, but in Iowa it seems like there are more late openings than normal. We had a relatively routine season playing in August, September, and October but it seemed like a ton of openings popped up in May.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 2, 2021 16:02:43 GMT -6
On a side note, we were scheduled to go to a SEC school for 7 on 7 this Saturday (June 5) Last week they contacted us and asked if we would change and come next Thursday (June 10) because there were only 2 HS signed up to come. This actually could be a good sign of things to come. At least from the perspective of those that think all the year long training, and summer off campus activities are the wrong direction.
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Post by undcovcoach on Jun 2, 2021 18:16:58 GMT -6
This year won't be one to see yet. Still have covid to blame. Wait till 2022 to find out.
Still won't be good.
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Post by freezeoption on Jun 2, 2021 20:14:38 GMT -6
What will come of this could be good or maybe not. I think it may open some people eyes and see you don't have to do all the crap. Next, states and schools will see that the same ol same ol will not work. Pay hasn't gotten any better. Less people getting into education. State testing might need to change. If you got a good teacher/coach you better hold on to them. Eventually, someone going to have to pay the piper. Heck, we got three assistant positions open that will probably not get filled. They filled teaching positions with people that don't coach.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2021 20:16:49 GMT -6
What will come of this could be good or maybe not. I think it may open some people eyes and see you don't have to do all the crap. Next, states and schools will see that the same ol same ol will not work. Pay hasn't gotten any better. Less people getting into education. State testing might need to change. If you got a good teacher/coach you better hold on to them. Eventually, someone going to have to pay the piper. Heck, we got three assistant positions open that will probably not get filled. They filled teaching positions with people that don't coach. Its a commitment to coach...any sport. Many teachers want nothing of it. Many consider themselves above it.
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Post by freezeoption on Jun 2, 2021 20:41:19 GMT -6
I don't think most think they are above it. I think most know what is required and the pay doesn't match. Again, things are changing and not for the better for schools. Our state has made it easier for non education people to teach. They have given a extra bonus for people to teach 31 yrs. They are going to try to give us a little cheese to stay on because they know the new teachers coming in probably won't be there in the long run.
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 2, 2021 22:41:54 GMT -6
In the state of Illinois they've {censored} up the retirement system so good that you have to work longer as a teacher before you can retire than a normal job.
Low pay, long hours, getting blamed for all society's ills, expected to raise kids, {censored} healthcare AND I get to retire later? SIGN ME UP!!!
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