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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2021 3:49:14 GMT -6
In the state of Illinois they've {censored} up the retirement system so good that you have to work longer as a teacher before you can retire than a normal job. Low pay, long hours, getting blamed for all society's ills, expected to raise kids, {censored} healthcare AND I get to retire later? SIGN ME UP!!! Don’t worry, they are going to raise minimum wage. That will fix everything🤥(sarcasm) |
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Post by Defcord on Jun 3, 2021 5:39:26 GMT -6
What will come of this could be good or maybe not. I think it may open some people eyes and see you don't have to do all the crap. Next, states and schools will see that the same ol same ol will not work. Pay hasn't gotten any better. Less people getting into education. State testing might need to change. If you got a good teacher/coach you better hold on to them. Eventually, someone going to have to pay the piper. Heck, we got three assistant positions open that will probably not get filled. They filled teaching positions with people that don't coach. Its a commitment to coach...any sport. Many teachers want nothing of it. Many consider themselves above it. I love coaching football. I think I will do it till I can’t move in some capacity. I’ve coached baseball on and off for 20 years and after this past season I gave it up. I just didn’t feel like doing it anymore. Just didn’t feel like it was worth it to give up that much time and energy for basically no money. The program was a .500ish program with pretty good kids but still there were enough little things that I just didn’t care to deal with anymore. I have a 13 year old son so they will probably try get me to coach a middle school sport that he plays. I won’t do it. I definitely feel “above it.” But in the sense that I don’t think it’s worth my time not so much that I am better than the job. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2021 5:56:17 GMT -6
Its a commitment to coach...any sport. Many teachers want nothing of it. Many consider themselves above it. I love coaching football. I think I will do it till I can’t move in some capacity. I’ve coached baseball on and off for 20 years and after this past season I gave it up. I just didn’t feel like doing it anymore. Just didn’t feel like it was worth it to give up that much time and energy for basically no money. The program was a .500ish program with pretty good kids but still there were enough little things that I just didn’t care to deal with anymore. I have a 13 year old son so they will probably try get me to coach a middle school sport that he plays. I won’t do it. I definitely feel “above it.” But in the sense that I don’t think it’s worth my time not so much that I am better than the job. so when I say many are above it, I am talking about people who view sports, athletics as unnecessary... I don’t put people that have coached any sport at any time in the category of being above it. Multiple sport coaches especially. I buy it not being worth it from a $ perspective, or family thing or whatever. |
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Post by coachjps on Jun 4, 2021 23:35:02 GMT -6
Yes, big time programs and the usual lower tiered programs.
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Post by coachlit on Jun 5, 2021 11:22:21 GMT -6
Here in VA Beach we had SIX head coach changes out of the 11 schools in our city. I think all the stresses that come with being a HC compiled with COVID really took a toll on a lot of people.
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Post by coachwoodall on Jun 8, 2021 7:19:37 GMT -6
Last email from the state association that has included jobs opening (this is for all sports)
- 29 high schools looking for at least 1 coach
- 17 HS looking for multiple coaches
- 10 HS looking for at least 1 varsity HC for a sport
- 6 PE opening specifically listed (several just list 'opening available, check DO site....)
That's out of 220 HS, which includes several magnet schools and charter schools. Some of these schools don't have football.
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Post by IronmanFootball on Jun 8, 2021 8:01:56 GMT -6
I'm in Raleigh, NC. A good amount of turnover but I think about the same as usual.
This will be year 2 away from football for me unless there's some drastic change over the summer. I'm in a better place mentally, physically and emotionally than ever before. Teaching is hard enough to add in coaching 6 days a week and getting no concessions at my teaching job for doing so.
Stipends are hilariously bad. I get paid more to blog once a week than most guys get to coach 50 weeks a year.
On top of that, for $3K do I really want to give up my weekends, my personal workout time, eating better, reading more, and coming to my actual job feeling better and with more energy? I love the S&C portion, but 7on7, team camp, weekends arguing over if it's 2 or 2 read & squinting to see the Zapruder Film of the upcoming opponent = turnoffs.
I miss the players, but that's why I'm trying to get an S&C/personal training b'ness going on the side. Charging just enough to cover the LLC, insurance and football stipend. With what I charge I only need 10 clients to try my service for 10 weeks to cover it all. Home gym in my basement with no overhead and a park across the street for speed work.
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 8, 2021 8:21:30 GMT -6
Last email from the state association that has included jobs opening (this is for all sports) - 29 high schools looking for at least 1 coach - 17 HS looking for multiple coaches - 10 HS looking for at least 1 varsity HC for a sport - 6 PE opening specifically listed (several just list 'opening available, check DO site....) That's out of 220 HS, which includes several magnet schools and charter schools. Â Some of these schools don't have football. Last I looked Illinois was in the 40-50 HC jobs open, without really getting into the Chicago area. Assistants who teach are impossible to find. In 9 years of being a HC I had 6 and they've gotten harder to find since then. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 8, 2021 8:46:08 GMT -6
I'm in Raleigh, NC. A good amount of turnover but I think about the same as usual. This will be year 2 away from football for me unless there's some drastic change over the summer. I'm in a better place mentally, physically and emotionally than ever before. Teaching is hard enough to add in coaching 6 days a week and getting no concessions at my teaching job for doing so. Stipends are hilariously bad. I get paid more to blog once a week than most guys get to coach 50 weeks a year. On top of that, for $3K do I really want to give up my weekends, my personal workout time, eating better, reading more, and coming to my actual job feeling better and with more energy? I love the S&C portion, but 7on7, team camp, weekends arguing over if it's 2 or 2 read & squinting to see the Zapruder Film of the upcoming opponent = turnoffs. I miss the players, but that's why I'm trying to get an S&C/personal training b'ness going on the side. Charging just enough to cover the LLC, insurance and football stipend. With what I charge I only need 10 clients to try my service for 10 weeks to cover it all. Home gym in my basement with no overhead and a park across the street for speed work. So isn’t a natural follow up question: why do coaches do that to themselves? Why is coaching HS football 6 days a week, with summer 7 on 7s and team camps? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2021 8:48:11 GMT -6
Last email from the state association that has included jobs opening (this is for all sports) - 29 high schools looking for at least 1 coach - 17 HS looking for multiple coaches - 10 HS looking for at least 1 varsity HC for a sport - 6 PE opening specifically listed (several just list 'opening available, check DO site....) That's out of 220 HS, which includes several magnet schools and charter schools. Some of these schools don't have football. Last I looked Illinois was in the 40-50 HC jobs open, without really getting into the Chicago area. Assistants who teach are impossible to find. In 9 years of being a HC I had 6 and they've gotten harder to find since then. That is what i see. Teachers, males, aren’t coaches. Swimming, softball cheerleading? Plenty of female teachers willing to coach. When i was doing all the stuff for teaching license, more than principle told me to be willing to coach. Not coach necessarily football, but be willing to coach. 3 of us are teachers, and one coaches one class, one in his own county, and me. And lots of places have created a job coaching..with of course lousy stipen. |
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Post by Defcord on Jun 8, 2021 9:08:47 GMT -6
I'm in Raleigh, NC. A good amount of turnover but I think about the same as usual. This will be year 2 away from football for me unless there's some drastic change over the summer. I'm in a better place mentally, physically and emotionally than ever before. Teaching is hard enough to add in coaching 6 days a week and getting no concessions at my teaching job for doing so. Stipends are hilariously bad. I get paid more to blog once a week than most guys get to coach 50 weeks a year. On top of that, for $3K do I really want to give up my weekends, my personal workout time, eating better, reading more, and coming to my actual job feeling better and with more energy? I love the S&C portion, but 7on7, team camp, weekends arguing over if it's 2 or 2 read & squinting to see the Zapruder Film of the upcoming opponent = turnoffs. I miss the players, but that's why I'm trying to get an S&C/personal training b'ness going on the side. Charging just enough to cover the LLC, insurance and football stipend. With what I charge I only need 10 clients to try my service for 10 weeks to cover it all. Home gym in my basement with no overhead and a park across the street for speed work. So isn’t a natural follow up question: why do coaches do that to themselves? Why is coaching HS football 6 days a week, with summer 7 on 7s and team camps? Ego…it’s not a lot of fun to get your asss kicked. The mentality is usually “if the winners are doing it then we better do it too.” I would be interested to see if some of powerhouses would start winning big using more reasonable off season programs/setups, if it would trickle down the competitive ladder. I am not sure it would as many coaches would say something along the lines of “this is our edge, why they are taking a break we are grinding.” Who knows…I also worked with a guy that hated his wife so he volunteered to do any job that would get him out of the house. That man begged to do laundry. We could’ve went to three a days and he would’ve rejoices. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 8, 2021 9:13:12 GMT -6
So isn’t a natural follow up question: why do coaches do that to themselves? Why is coaching HS football 6 days a week, with summer 7 on 7s and team camps? Ego…it’s not a lot of fun to get your asss kicked. The mentality is usually “if the winners are doing it then we better do it too.” I would be interested to see if some of powerhouses would start winning big using more reasonable off season programs/setups, if it would trickle down the competitive ladder. I am not sure it would as many coaches would say something along the lines of “this is our edge, why they are taking a break we are grinding.” Who knows…I also worked with a guy that hated his wife so he volunteered to do any job that would get him out of the house. That man begged to do laundry. We could’ve went to three a days and he would’ve rejoices. Isn’t that where state associations can/should step in. I suppose it is a slippery slope. If A coach wants to “gain and advantage “ by grinding his/her life away i suppose I believe they should be able. Not sure what side of the fence I am on regarding this one. But I definitely think it is ridiculous |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2021 9:14:48 GMT -6
So isn’t a natural follow up question: why do coaches do that to themselves? Why is coaching HS football 6 days a week, with summer 7 on 7s and team camps? Ego…it’s not a lot of fun to get your asss kicked. The mentality is usually “if the winners are doing it then we better do it too.” I would be interested to see if some of powerhouses would start winning big using more reasonable off season programs/setups, if it would trickle down the competitive ladder. I am not sure it would as many coaches would say something along the lines of “this is our edge, why they are taking a break we are grinding.” Who knows…I also worked with a guy that hated his wife so he volunteered to do any job that would get him out of the house. That man begged to do laundry. We could’ve went to three a days and he would’ve rejoices. Coaching non sense. That is really the simple answer. The kids shouldn’t be in the building more than 45 minutes for a lift. |
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Post by IronmanFootball on Jun 8, 2021 9:53:31 GMT -6
I'm in Raleigh, NC. A good amount of turnover but I think about the same as usual. This will be year 2 away from football for me unless there's some drastic change over the summer. I'm in a better place mentally, physically and emotionally than ever before. Teaching is hard enough to add in coaching 6 days a week and getting no concessions at my teaching job for doing so. Stipends are hilariously bad. I get paid more to blog once a week than most guys get to coach 50 weeks a year. On top of that, for $3K do I really want to give up my weekends, my personal workout time, eating better, reading more, and coming to my actual job feeling better and with more energy? I love the S&C portion, but 7on7, team camp, weekends arguing over if it's 2 or 2 read & squinting to see the Zapruder Film of the upcoming opponent = turnoffs. I miss the players, but that's why I'm trying to get an S&C/personal training b'ness going on the side. Charging just enough to cover the LLC, insurance and football stipend. With what I charge I only need 10 clients to try my service for 10 weeks to cover it all. Home gym in my basement with no overhead and a park across the street for speed work. So isn’t a natural follow up question: why do coaches do that to themselves? Why is coaching HS football 6 days a week, with summer 7 on 7s and team camps? 1- Fear that they'll be "out worked" and out #GrindSZN'd 2- To get away from their home life 3- They think it's more important to success than it is 4- Everyone is doing it / FOMO 5- It's how it's always been done My final season as a head coach we watched no film as a team (sent out short playlists on Hudl), summer workouts were 90 min and 4 days / week (M-R). Practices were a 30m lift (MTR) and a 90m practice M-W and a 30m practice Thur. Nothing on the weekends. No team camp, no 7on7's. Spring workouts were 90m, too, and only 3 days / week (MTR). 3.5 cumulative unweighted GPA, 7-4 record, school's only district win and only winning record EVER. |
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Post by fantom on Jun 8, 2021 10:04:32 GMT -6
So isn’t a natural follow up question: why do coaches do that to themselves? Why is coaching HS football 6 days a week, with summer 7 on 7s and team camps? 1- Fear that they'll be "out worked" and out #GrindSZN'd 2- To get away from their home life Empty-nesters can be a PITA to work for. It's not that they hate their wives but they're afraid that if they get home early or have a Saturday off they'll have to face the honey-do list. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2021 10:05:13 GMT -6
So isn’t a natural follow up question: why do coaches do that to themselves? Why is coaching HS football 6 days a week, with summer 7 on 7s and team camps? 1- Fear that they'll be "out worked" and out #GrindSZN'd 2- To get away from their home life 3- They think it's more important to success than it is 4- Everyone is doing it / FOMO 5- It's how it's always been done My final season as a head coach we watched no film as a team (sent out short playlists on Hudl), summer workouts were 90 min and 4 days / week (M-R). Practices were a 30m lift (MTR) and a 90m practice M-W and a 30m practice Thur. Nothing on the weekends. No team camp, no 7on7's. Spring workouts were 90m, too, and only 3 days / week (MTR). 3.5 cumulative unweighted GPA, 7-4 record, school's only district win and only winning record EVER. To me, it is the unnecessary that is killing participation. Ex. 30 minute sermon at twice a week on doing the right thing. THAT HAPPENS 10 MINUTE DISCUSSION IN FILM SESSION ON WHAT WE ARE DOING VERSUS X. Stopping the bus because A-holes are being…well a-holes. They were that well before they got on the bus. then the usual 2 hrs we keep kids for a lift. WHY! YOUR SCHEDULE SOUNDS LIKE A WIN WIN FOR EVERYBODY. Good job. |
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Post by IronmanFootball on Jun 8, 2021 10:13:03 GMT -6
1- Fear that they'll be "out worked" and out #GrindSZN'd 2- To get away from their home life Empty-nesters can be a PITA to work for. It's not that they hate their wives but they're afraid that if they get home early or have a Saturday off they'll have to face the honey-do list. I worked for a guy that had me there until 8pm 3 days a week. I finally explained why I wanted to go home so badly. I have a hot wife at home watchin rasslin on the couch, and she ordered pizza & wings and made me a cocktail for when I walk in the door. I'll clean the toilet or do some dishes in exchange for that. |
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Post by IronmanFootball on Jun 8, 2021 10:15:08 GMT -6
1- Fear that they'll be "out worked" and out #GrindSZN'd 2- To get away from their home life 3- They think it's more important to success than it is 4- Everyone is doing it / FOMO 5- It's how it's always been done My final season as a head coach we watched no film as a team (sent out short playlists on Hudl), summer workouts were 90 min and 4 days / week (M-R). Practices were a 30m lift (MTR) and a 90m practice M-W and a 30m practice Thur. Nothing on the weekends. No team camp, no 7on7's. Spring workouts were 90m, too, and only 3 days / week (MTR). 3.5 cumulative unweighted GPA, 7-4 record, school's only district win and only winning record EVER. To me, it is the unnecessary that is killing participation. Ex. 30 minute sermon at twice a week on doing the right thing. THAT HAPPENS 10 MINUTE DISCUSSION IN FILM SESSION ON WHAT WE ARE DOING VERSUS X. Stopping the bus because A-holes are being…well a-holes. They were that well before they got on the bus. then the usual 2 hrs we keep kids for a lift. WHY! YOUR SCHEDULE SOUNDS LIKE A WIN WIN FOR EVERYBODY. Good job. Thanks, man. I stepped down because I hated being in admin and they wouldn't move me to weight training / S&C because of "budget" which was a total lie. I would teach WT and be an S&C guy for a HS tomorrow. I just don't want to do all the other crap that football wants that I think is stupid like film marathons on a Sat. Ill be there Sat 8-10 for a lift and speed sesh 10000% before film |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2021 10:21:06 GMT -6
To me, it is the unnecessary that is killing participation. Ex. 30 minute sermon at twice a week on doing the right thing. THAT HAPPENS 10 MINUTE DISCUSSION IN FILM SESSION ON WHAT WE ARE DOING VERSUS X. Stopping the bus because A-holes are being…well a-holes. They were that well before they got on the bus. then the usual 2 hrs we keep kids for a lift. WHY! YOUR SCHEDULE SOUNDS LIKE A WIN WIN FOR EVERYBODY. Good job. Thanks, man. I stepped down because I hated being in admin and they wouldn't move me to weight training / S&C because of "budget" which was a total lie. I would teach WT and be an S&C guy for a HS tomorrow. I just don't want to do all the other crap that football wants that I think is stupid like film marathons on a Sat. Ill be there Sat 8-10 for a lift and speed sesh 10000% before film #endthebullshitcoaching. Do not do social media so sue me. |
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Post by IronmanFootball on Jun 8, 2021 11:12:33 GMT -6
I have taken it just to mean my priorities have changed. Almost 40. Been coaching 18 years. It was about time I grew as a human
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2021 11:17:26 GMT -6
I have taken it just to mean my priorities have changed. Almost 40. Been coaching 18 years. It was about time I grew as a human Some have had their fill. |
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Post by aceback76 on Jun 8, 2021 11:27:52 GMT -6
Don't let the virus, or "butt-hole" parents & administrators run you off. You preach to the kids not to give up, so you must practice what you preach: Remember what Churchill said:
(WINSTON CHURCHILL) “Never give in, never give in, never, never, never, never – in nothing great or small, large or petty – never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense”!!!
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Post by Defcord on Jun 8, 2021 11:45:25 GMT -6
Ego…it’s not a lot of fun to get your asss kicked. The mentality is usually “if the winners are doing it then we better do it too.” I would be interested to see if some of powerhouses would start winning big using more reasonable off season programs/setups, if it would trickle down the competitive ladder. I am not sure it would as many coaches would say something along the lines of “this is our edge, why they are taking a break we are grinding.” Who knows…I also worked with a guy that hated his wife so he volunteered to do any job that would get him out of the house. That man begged to do laundry. We could’ve went to three a days and he would’ve rejoices. Isn’t that where state associations can/should step in. I suppose it is a slippery slope. If A coach wants to “gain and advantage “ by grinding his/her life away i suppose I believe they should be able. Not sure what side of the fence I am on regarding this one. But I definitely think it is ridiculous I’m torn on it too. I worry getting rid of all the stuff creates a disparity in preparation. Affluent communities and schools might have an advantage in off-season preparation because they have the means to get individual coaching/instruction/fitness. The lower socioeconomic students and families could struggle to find alternative options if they wanted to. This happened when I was a head baseball coach at an inner city. The top schools had many kids going to personal trainers and playing travel ball all over the country. We had kids that couldn’t afford (and couldn’t get a ride to the event if they could afford it). I asked the state to let us have some practices and travel to play some tournaments. No deal. They would not budge on it. The neighboring school’s coach got the summer off and his kids got better because they had opportunities my kids didn’t have. I was willing to organize and fundraise and have a school summer team for free, my kids wanted to play and especially travel so having a bylaw that prevented that to me wasn’t in the best interest of my kids. |
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Post by coachwoodall on Jun 8, 2021 15:05:06 GMT -6
Ego…it’s not a lot of fun to get your asss kicked. The mentality is usually “if the winners are doing it then we better do it too.” I would be interested to see if some of powerhouses would start winning big using more reasonable off season programs/setups, if it would trickle down the competitive ladder. I am not sure it would as many coaches would say something along the lines of “this is our edge, why they are taking a break we are grinding.” Who knows…I also worked with a guy that hated his wife so he volunteered to do any job that would get him out of the house. That man begged to do laundry. We could’ve went to three a days and he would’ve rejoices. Isn’t that where state associations can/should step in. I suppose it is a slippery slope. If A coach wants to “gain and advantage “ by grinding his/her life away i suppose I believe they should be able. Not sure what side of the fence I am on regarding this one. But I definitely think it is ridiculous ours has recently been doing that a little.... added a dead week for July 4th, been wanting to cut down on 7-7. I'm good with those, but what I don't get is that they also want to shorten seasons/games played.... isn't playing in a GAME the reason kids come out for a sport in the 1st place?? |
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Post by coachwoodall on Jun 8, 2021 15:09:07 GMT -6
I'm in Raleigh, NC. A good amount of turnover but I think about the same as usual. This will be year 2 away from football for me unless there's some drastic change over the summer. I'm in a better place mentally, physically and emotionally than ever before. Teaching is hard enough to add in coaching 6 days a week and getting no concessions at my teaching job for doing so. Stipends are hilariously bad. I get paid more to blog once a week than most guys get to coach 50 weeks a year. On top of that, for $3K do I really want to give up my weekends, my personal workout time, eating better, reading more, and coming to my actual job feeling better and with more energy? I love the S&C portion, but 7on7, team camp, weekends arguing over if it's 2 or 2 read & squinting to see the Zapruder Film of the upcoming opponent = turnoffs. I miss the players, but that's why I'm trying to get an S&C/personal training b'ness going on the side. Charging just enough to cover the LLC, insurance and football stipend. With what I charge I only need 10 clients to try my service for 10 weeks to cover it all. Home gym in my basement with no overhead and a park across the street for speed work. So isn’t a natural follow up question: why do coaches do that to themselves? Why is coaching HS football 6 days a week, with summer 7 on 7s and team camps? Not to disagree with the other theories, but I'm going with the sunken cost fallacy. Coaches have already invested x number of hours and it didn't get them where they wanted to be and they can't get back those hours, so investing x+y number of hours will get them over the hump. |
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Post by coachwoodall on Jun 8, 2021 15:22:19 GMT -6
My old man might have been the smartest man I've ever known, or a possibly the wisest one. There was one thing he'd say to me over and over while giving me a task on the farm to do.
If it was something I'd never done before, then he'd show me how. If it was something I'd done before but it had been a while since doing it, then he'd remind me how to do it.
He always gave me latitude to try and go it MY WAY if I chose.
After that, if he saw me struggling with doing something his simple response to me was always, "Find a way to work smarter, not harder".
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Post by IronmanFootball on Jun 9, 2021 6:18:45 GMT -6
In my check in with a private client I asked when his off-season workouts start (currently a dead week here).
Him: This Friday from 6-10
Me: Is that some kind of kickoff event?
Him: No it'll be Monday through Friday 6-10 all summer.
WOOOO buddy am I glad I'm not on that coaching staff.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2021 6:20:58 GMT -6
In my check in with a private client I asked when his off-season workouts start (currently a dead week here). Him: This Friday from 6-10 Me: Is that some kind of kickoff event? Him: No it'll be Monday through Friday 6-10 all summer. WOOOO buddy am I glad I'm not on that coaching staff. Did you ask why? |
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Post by IronmanFootball on Jun 9, 2021 6:25:23 GMT -6
In my check in with a private client I asked when his off-season workouts start (currently a dead week here). Him: This Friday from 6-10 Me: Is that some kind of kickoff event? Him: No it'll be Monday through Friday 6-10 all summer. WOOOO buddy am I glad I'm not on that coaching staff. Did you ask why? I asked what they were doing for four hours 5 days / week. Lift (this spring they just did bench, TBDL and back squat... no super sets, aux's or variations), condition (lots of gassers), agility (this spring was just the L Drill & shuttle on repeat LOL) and a full practice after (indy, 7on7, team, etc). |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2021 6:46:14 GMT -6
I asked what they were doing for four hours 5 days / week. Lift (this spring they just did bench, TBDL and back squat... no super sets, aux's or variations), condition (lots of gassers), agility (this spring was just the L Drill & shuttle on repeat LOL) and a full practice after (indy, 7on7, team, etc). That is a participant killer. |
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