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Post by cfoott on Jan 4, 2021 16:49:42 GMT -6
Im with you, i had too many LBers one year and begged the dc to take em on the dl (and started winning more when he finally did). But theyve grown into a big time program, so it may have worked out. I still cant stand it, but we live in a world where a coaches ability to “recruit” (nee poach) talent is important. Citing players youve had go to college may be more important to job security than winning games And the irony is that colleges don't care what position a kid plays in HS. Agree. If a scout can't see a player who is playing "out of position" in HS and can't project where he would play at the next level, I imagine that college program is struggling. Which in turn tells me that they're probably going to have some coaching staff turnover in the near future. Is there a large discrepancy between OLB and Safety? WR and Slot? I mean what are we talking about here when it comes to not playing a player where he is "projected?" And who the Fack is doing the projecting? Third party websites trying to make a buck off of subscriptions? |
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Post by bulldogsdc on Jan 5, 2021 7:48:48 GMT -6
Not playing where he projects example- Option Team with a QB that plays only QB but will be a DB in College.
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Post by nicku on Jan 5, 2021 8:12:38 GMT -6
Gotta love twitter where you can get guys posting playbook pages and clips of a play with in seconds of it being on TV screaming see see it was Banjo Mike Creep Slice Rip Clamp 7!!!!!!!! I mean come on... This actually made me spit my coffee out. James Light is the god at it...everyone else doing it is in second place! |
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Post by cfoott on Jan 5, 2021 8:55:28 GMT -6
Not playing where he projects example- Option Team with a QB that plays only QB but will be a DB in College. A college scout wouldn't be able to assess that player and know whether or not he would be able to play DB at the next level? |
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Post by CoachSP on Jan 5, 2021 9:41:48 GMT -6
Gotta love twitter where you can get guys posting playbook pages and clips of a play with in seconds of it being on TV screaming see see it was Banjo Mike Creep Slice Rip Clamp 7!!!!!!!! I mean come on... It was bad during UF/OU the other night. It was a peeing contest with dudes recording their TV with an Iphone trying to analyze the plays to get some Twitter likes. What a bunch of clowns. Maybe I should buy their books and subscribe to their sites  |
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Post by conceptsalignments on Jan 5, 2021 9:56:38 GMT -6
Gotta love twitter where you can get guys posting playbook pages and clips of a play with in seconds of it being on TV screaming see see it was Banjo Mike Creep Slice Rip Clamp 7!!!!!!!! I mean come on... This actually made me spit my coffee out. James Light is the god at it...everyone else doing it is in second place! Could I take this to mean a dig at James Light? Lol |
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Post by coachcb on Jan 5, 2021 9:59:24 GMT -6
I follow a few football pages on Facebook (don't use Twitter) and my only issue is the "dressed-up" misinformation. There are guys on there that post up some fantastically detailed videos and diagrams but it's obvious that they're keyboard coaches. There's some pretty obvious flaws within the scheme that they won't address.
Everything is going to look pretty when you're running the Wing-T against a 4-3 Over C2..
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Post by bulldogsdc on Jan 5, 2021 10:19:03 GMT -6
Not playing where he projects example- Option Team with a QB that plays only QB but will be a DB in College. A college scout wouldn't be able to assess that player and know whether or not he would be able to play DB at the next level? I think they would be able to assess the player. I was just giving an example of a parent or bag man might use |
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Post by wingtol on Jan 5, 2021 11:26:17 GMT -6
Gotta love twitter where you can get guys posting playbook pages and clips of a play with in seconds of it being on TV screaming see see it was Banjo Mike Creep Slice Rip Clamp 7!!!!!!!! I mean come on... It was bad during UF/OU the other night. It was a peeing contest with dudes recording their TV with an Iphone trying to analyze the plays to get some Twitter likes. What a bunch of clowns. Maybe I should buy their books and subscribe to their sites There is just no way humanly possible you can figure that stuff out that quick... And 85% of the time it ends up man or man free LOL |
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Post by 44dlcoach on Jan 5, 2021 16:06:09 GMT -6
I always wonder on some of that twitter stuff how much it even matters which coverage (it's always about god d@mn coverage) the defense was in, when viewed from the offensive perspective.
Obviously for the defenders you could see some different techniques based on what they are actually trying to play, but I wonder how much the offense cares. I swear I listen to our offensive coaches and it seems like 90% of their conversations are just "one high or two? Man or zone? What's the alignment over trips?" And once they have that down it seems like they've got enough for a game plan that works.
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Post by coachklee on Jan 5, 2021 18:13:28 GMT -6
I follow a few football pages on Facebook (don't use Twitter) and my only issue is the "dressed-up" misinformation. There are guys on there that post up some fantastically detailed videos and diagrams but it's obvious that they're keyboard coaches. There's some pretty obvious flaws within the scheme that they won't address. Everything is going to look pretty when you're running the Wing-T against a 4-3 Over C2.. Yep. Completely shuts down anything if the offense stays in just 100 Formation / Wing Right. The second you ask, “What about Double TE or SE Over or Slot?” The response is either nothing or the they’ll say, “That is NOT a real formation an offense will stay in to consistently move the football!” |
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Post by coachklee on Jan 5, 2021 19:59:52 GMT -6
I follow a few football pages on Facebook (don't use Twitter) and my only issue is the "dressed-up" misinformation. There are guys on there that post up some fantastically detailed videos and diagrams but it's obvious that they're keyboard coaches. There's some pretty obvious flaws within the scheme that they won't address. Everything is going to look pretty when you're running the Wing-T against a 4-3 Over C2.. Oh...you were talking from an offensive perspective! Still same idea I posted, but yeah... |
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Post by carookie on Jan 5, 2021 21:29:37 GMT -6
And the irony is that colleges don't care what position a kid plays in HS. Agree. If a scout can't see a player who is playing "out of position" in HS and can't project where he would play at the next level, I imagine that college program is struggling. Which in turn tells me that they're probably going to have some coaching staff turnover in the near future. Is there a large discrepancy between OLB and Safety? WR and Slot? I mean what are we talking about here when it comes to not playing a player where he is "projected?" And who the Fack is doing the projecting? Third party websites trying to make a buck off of subscriptions? Hey, I'm with you, play a kid where it helps your team win the most. But to act as if the discussion is as simple as playing a kid at Will or Strong Safety, or other closely related positions, would be disingenuous. For example, said school I was at had a young man transfer in his Jr. year and play WR for two years. He was recruited to play wide receiver at several schools and would then go on to play receiver at the next level, which fit well with his size and speed. His position at his previous school- Center. I knew the coach from his previous school and asked him why he didn't have him at WR, his response was 'he was the best snapper we had'. Now his first coach was doing what was best for his team, but I strongly doubt this kid would have gotten many looks as a WR if he spent his whole time playing center; regardless of how keen an eye the scouts may have had. I have seen this several other times, with kids playing a line position or a skill position in HS while they project to play a different position at the next level. As I wrote earlier, it would be disingenuous to act as if there is a homogeneity of tasks and skills between positions on the football field; and that talent displayed at any given position easily translates to talent at another. Now this isnt to write that coaches SHOULD play kids where they best project at the next level, rather that in some cases there is enough of a discrepancy between positions whereas a player would not get to display those abilities which would make him marketable. |
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Post by agap on Jan 5, 2021 22:10:53 GMT -6
I follow a few football pages on Facebook (don't use Twitter) and my only issue is the "dressed-up" misinformation. There are guys on there that post up some fantastically detailed videos and diagrams but it's obvious that they're keyboard coaches. There's some pretty obvious flaws within the scheme that they won't address. Everything is going to look pretty when you're running the Wing-T against a 4-3 Over C2.. I haven’t had Facebook in 15 years, but I like looking at clips and diagrams on Twitter even though I don’t have it. They give you an idea and then you can research it more. I realized you won’t learn everything about a concept on Twitter so it wasn’t worth having anymore for me. You’re limited on Twitter with how much you can explain. |
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Post by CS on Jan 6, 2021 4:41:06 GMT -6
I like Twitter. Great stuff on there for the most part. I’ve had the opportunity to talk ball with guys from all over. I hate that there is an a$$ kisser vibe on there all the time and few arguments ever happen on football Twitter. I liken it to walking into a cult and you just showed up because you wanted to go to church
I like it here because I can speak more in a tone that I would in our coaches office. It may be just me but some of the best sharing on here happens when there is an argument. That has been on the decline sadly. I have been here long enough to have seen the ups and downs and expect it to go back up
I like the live tweeting games depending on who it is. If you don’t then unfollow them or stay off of Twitter during the game.
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Post by conceptsalignments on Jan 6, 2021 5:09:02 GMT -6
I like Twitter. Great stuff on there for the most part. I’ve had the opportunity to talk ball with guys from all over. I hate that there is an a$$ kisser vibe on there all the time and few arguments ever happen on football Twitter. I liken it to walking into a cult and you just showed up because you wanted to go to church I like it here because I can speak more in a tone that I would in our coaches office. It may be just me but some of the best sharing on here happens when there is an argument. That has been on the decline sadly. I have been here long enough to have seen the ups and downs and expect it to go back up I like the live tweeting games depending on who it is. If you don’t then unfollow them or stay off of Twitter during the game. As long as the argument doesn't get personal and/or doesn't turn into running in circles/dog chasing its tail/obfuscation/ducking questions/trolling, arguments can be good and be sources of learning. |
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Post by coachcb on Jan 6, 2021 9:58:49 GMT -6
I follow a few football pages on Facebook (don't use Twitter) and my only issue is the "dressed-up" misinformation. There are guys on there that post up some fantastically detailed videos and diagrams but it's obvious that they're keyboard coaches. There's some pretty obvious flaws within the scheme that they won't address. Everything is going to look pretty when you're running the Wing-T against a 4-3 Over C2.. I haven’t had Facebook in 15 years, but I like looking at clips and diagrams on Twitter even though I don’t have it. They give you an idea and then you can research it more. I realized you won’t learn everything about a concept on Twitter so it wasn’t worth having anymore for me. You’re limited on Twitter with how much you can explain.
My issue with Facebook is that some of these coaches either a) can't answer your questions. b) don't want to answer it or c) get p-ssed off when you ask a question. So, it's can be superficial at best or an argument at worst.
For example, a coach posted up some hand-drawn diagrams of six man stunts with C3 behind it. It didn't look sound to me but I didn't state that; I simply asked how they would handle 4 verts and not covering the H/C zones. Good Lord, it turned into a chit-show and not just from the coach that tossed up the diagram..
"What's H/C mean? Use more generic language." "You don't have to cover four-verts; you'll get pressure...." "You don't have to cover the underneath zones; you'll get pressure.." "This is a junior high blitz, not something you'd run in high school."
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Post by jgordon1 on Jan 6, 2021 10:32:46 GMT -6
I follow a few football pages on Facebook (don't use Twitter) and my only issue is the "dressed-up" misinformation. There are guys on there that post up some fantastically detailed videos and diagrams but it's obvious that they're keyboard coaches. There's some pretty obvious flaws within the scheme that they won't address. Everything is going to look pretty when you're running the Wing-T against a 4-3 Over C2.. what is interesting to me is that guys are taking clips from TV, providing commentary and selling it..is that even legal? |
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Post by coachcb on Jan 6, 2021 10:38:14 GMT -6
I follow a few football pages on Facebook (don't use Twitter) and my only issue is the "dressed-up" misinformation. There are guys on there that post up some fantastically detailed videos and diagrams but it's obvious that they're keyboard coaches. There's some pretty obvious flaws within the scheme that they won't address. Everything is going to look pretty when you're running the Wing-T against a 4-3 Over C2.. what is interesting to me is that guys are taking clips from TV, providing commentary and selling it..is that even legal?
I highly doubt it... I'm surprised the social media platforms haven't been nailed for that.
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Post by nicku on Jan 6, 2021 12:22:30 GMT -6
This actually made me spit my coffee out. James Light is the god at it...everyone else doing it is in second place! Could I take this to mean a dig at James Light? Lol Oh hell no. I love when he does that stuff. I was more meaning that guys try to imitate his knowledge of scheme and the game and don't do as well. |
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Post by conceptsalignments on Jan 6, 2021 12:27:40 GMT -6
Could I take this to mean a dig at James Light? Lol Oh hell no. I love when he does that stuff. I was more meaning that guys try to imitate his knowledge of scheme and the game and don't do as well. Ah, cool |
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Post by jgordon1 on Jan 6, 2021 13:03:13 GMT -6
what is interesting to me is that guys are taking clips from TV, providing commentary and selling it..is that even legal?
I highly doubt it... I'm surprised the social media platforms haven't been nailed for that.
The guy I am thinking of takes clips from all-22 film, comments on it, and like sells it in an e-book or something. It's actually pretty cool but not sure if its legal and kinda weird because its not his team |
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Post by s73 on Jan 6, 2021 13:17:05 GMT -6
I haven’t had Facebook in 15 years, but I like looking at clips and diagrams on Twitter even though I don’t have it. They give you an idea and then you can research it more. I realized you won’t learn everything about a concept on Twitter so it wasn’t worth having anymore for me. You’re limited on Twitter with how much you can explain.
My issue with Facebook is that some of these coaches either a) can't answer your questions. b) don't want to answer it or c) get p-ssed off when you ask a question. So, it's can be superficial at best or an argument at worst.
For example, a coach posted up some hand-drawn diagrams of six man stunts with C3 behind it. It didn't look sound to me but I didn't state that; I simply asked how they would handle 4 verts and not covering the H/C zones. Good Lord, it turned into a chit-show and not just from the coach that tossed up the diagram..
"What's H/C mean? Use more generic language." "You don't have to cover four-verts; you'll get pressure...." "You don't have to cover the underneath zones; you'll get pressure.." "This is a junior high blitz, not something you'd run in high school."
Hilarious. I love the old "you don't have to cover them, we're getting pressure" mentality. If it were that easy the NFL wouldn't be a passing league. Yeah, they have Tom Brady so let's send 6 so "he can't throw the ball". I must've missed something in the last 25 years LOL. |
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Post by coachcb on Jan 6, 2021 13:40:38 GMT -6
My issue with Facebook is that some of these coaches either a) can't answer your questions. b) don't want to answer it or c) get p-ssed off when you ask a question. So, it's can be superficial at best or an argument at worst.
For example, a coach posted up some hand-drawn diagrams of six man stunts with C3 behind it. It didn't look sound to me but I didn't state that; I simply asked how they would handle 4 verts and not covering the H/C zones. Good Lord, it turned into a chit-show and not just from the coach that tossed up the diagram..
"What's H/C mean? Use more generic language." "You don't have to cover four-verts; you'll get pressure...." "You don't have to cover the underneath zones; you'll get pressure.." "This is a junior high blitz, not something you'd run in high school."
Hilarious. I love the old "you don't have to cover them, we're getting pressure" mentality. If it were that easy the NFL wouldn't be a passing league. Yeah, they have Tom Brady so let's send 6 so "he can't throw the ball". I must've missed something in the last 25 years LOL.
I wasn't surprised by the diagram; there's plenty of young coaches who scribble thoughts down on paper. Hell, I ran some complete garbage stunts I had concocted when I first started coaching. But, I listened when a veteran coach told me I was wrong..
I was a bit taken a back by the "coaches" lighting me up for asking a question. Honestly, if a "coach" doesn't know what the abbreviation "H/C zone" stands for when talking defense, then I doubt they know what a HOOK TO CURL ZONE actually is.
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Post by s73 on Jan 6, 2021 14:53:55 GMT -6
Hilarious. I love the old "you don't have to cover them, we're getting pressure" mentality. If it were that easy the NFL wouldn't be a passing league. Yeah, they have Tom Brady so let's send 6 so "he can't throw the ball". I must've missed something in the last 25 years LOL.
I wasn't surprised by the diagram; there's plenty of young coaches who scribble thoughts down on paper. Hell, I ran some complete garbage stunts I had concocted when I first started coaching. But, I listened when a veteran coach told me I was wrong..
I was a bit taken a back by the "coaches" lighting me up for asking a question. Honestly, if a "coach" doesn't know what the abbreviation "H/C zone" stands for when talking defense, then I doubt they know what a HOOK TO CURL ZONE actually is.
Nail meet head my friend. I feel like younger guys are less likely to "listen" due to social media influence nowadays. I never spoke a peep in a meeting for about 2 years & when i did it was nothing grandiose. More asking to learn. Now w/ social media at the fingertips I think more guys think they are more "educated" than they actually are. Or they have theory that they believe as fact before they have actually tried it. Don't get me wrong, not slamming all the "young guns" but there does seem to be a lot more "voice" and a lot less "ear" nowadays than when i first started. JME. Still a TON of great ones out there but a little more entitlement than i remember coming up. We had a young staff when i 1st started w/ the only notable experience coming from the HFC, and most of us just sat & listened and learned. Both for good or bad. I think I'm way better for it. |
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Post by coachklee on Jan 6, 2021 15:30:24 GMT -6
I highly doubt it... I'm surprised the social media platforms haven't been nailed for that.
The guy I am thinking of takes clips from all-22 film, comments on it, and like sells it in an e-book or something. It's actually pretty cool but not sure if its legal and kinda weird because its not his team Pretty sure earning $$$ off it would violate the whole "This telecast is copyrighted by the NFL for the private use of our audience. Any other use of this telecast or any pictures, descriptions, or accounts of the game without the NFL's consent is prohibited." Just posting it is likely not going to draw any attention unless they can prove you are earning $$$ from it and here’s how you ignore it until they actually take you to court: arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2010/02/challenging-copyright-at-the-nfl/ |
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Post by coachcb on Jan 6, 2021 15:46:27 GMT -6
I wasn't surprised by the diagram; there's plenty of young coaches who scribble thoughts down on paper. Hell, I ran some complete garbage stunts I had concocted when I first started coaching. But, I listened when a veteran coach told me I was wrong..
I was a bit taken a back by the "coaches" lighting me up for asking a question. Honestly, if a "coach" doesn't know what the abbreviation "H/C zone" stands for when talking defense, then I doubt they know what a HOOK TO CURL ZONE actually is.
Nail meet head my friend. I feel like younger guys are less likely to "listen" due to social media influence nowadays. I never spoke a peep in a meeting for about 2 years & when i did it was nothing grandiose. More asking to learn. Now w/ social media at the fingertips I think more guys think they are more "educated" than they actually are. Or they have theory that they believe as fact before they have actually tried it. Don't get me wrong, not slamming all the "young guns" but there does seem to be a lot more "voice" and a lot less "ear" nowadays than when i first started. JME. Still a TON of great ones out there but a little more entitlement than i remember coming up. We had a young staff when i 1st started w/ the only notable experience coming from the HFC, and most of us just sat & listened and learned. Both for good or bad. I think I'm way better for it.
Agreed... I hate to be the crotchety ol' coach pointing fingers at the youngins' but I'll do so. It's been tough to find quality ACs over the years and I'll lay the blame at the Internet's feet. We're seeing more and more chalkboard heroes and fewer "teachers". This becomes problematic when you run an "outdated" system like the Wing-T..
I had an AC draw up a bunch of Air Raid concepts from the 100/900 formation and "present" them to me (i.e. he saved them to our HUDL account and then shot me a message..). They were sound concept and I imagine he snagged them from the web. I pulled him aside and thanked him for the time he put in but we wouldn't be running those schemes. He pressed the issue so I told him I'd consider running two of them (Dig and Mesh) if he could do lay out the following;
1. The skills he would need to teach the QBs, backs and SE for each concept. 2. What the QB's read progressions were for each concept and how he would teach them.
3. The drills he would use to teach those skills and the progression and how they'd fit into our typical practice plan.
Needless to say, he couldn't do so and there were words behind closed doors (i.e. "You don't know what you don't know and you can either accept that or you can learn, coach.")
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Post by coachklee on Jan 6, 2021 17:13:41 GMT -6
Nail meet head my friend. I feel like younger guys are less likely to "listen" due to social media influence nowadays. I never spoke a peep in a meeting for about 2 years & when i did it was nothing grandiose. More asking to learn. Now w/ social media at the fingertips I think more guys think they are more "educated" than they actually are. Or they have theory that they believe as fact before they have actually tried it. Don't get me wrong, not slamming all the "young guns" but there does seem to be a lot more "voice" and a lot less "ear" nowadays than when i first started. JME. Still a TON of great ones out there but a little more entitlement than i remember coming up. We had a young staff when i 1st started w/ the only notable experience coming from the HFC, and most of us just sat & listened and learned. Both for good or bad. I think I'm way better for it.
Agreed... I hate to be the crotchety ol' coach pointing fingers at the youngins' but I'll do so. It's been tough to find quality ACs over the years and I'll lay the blame at the Internet's feet. We're seeing more and more chalkboard heroes and fewer "teachers". This becomes problematic when you run an "outdated" system like the Wing-T..
I had an AC draw up a bunch of Air Raid concepts from the 100/900 formation and "present" them to me (i.e. he saved them to our HUDL account and then shot me a message..). They were sound concept and I imagine he snagged them from the web. I pulled him aside and thanked him for the time he put in but we wouldn't be running those schemes. He pressed the issue so I told him I'd consider running two of them (Dig and Mesh) if he could do lay out the following;
1. The skills he would need to teach the QBs, backs and SE for each concept. 2. What the QB's read progressions were for each concept and how he would teach them.
3. The drills he would use to teach those skills and the progression and how they'd fit into our typical practice plan.
Needless to say, he couldn't do so and there were words behind closed doors (i.e. "You don't know what you don't know and you can either accept that or you can learn, coach.")
To be fair, you gave him an impossible task on 3b “and how’d they fit into our typical practice plan”. Ours is already full unless we extended past 2 hours which at times already feels too long. Doesn’t change the fact though that if he could answer 1, 2 & 3a that meant he wasn’t really ready to coach it! |
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Post by somecoach on Jan 7, 2021 20:06:13 GMT -6
I follow a few football pages on Facebook (don't use Twitter) and my only issue is the "dressed-up" misinformation. There are guys on there that post up some fantastically detailed videos and diagrams but it's obvious that they're keyboard coaches. There's some pretty obvious flaws within the scheme that they won't address. Everything is going to look pretty when you're running the Wing-T against a 4-3 Over C2.. what is interesting to me is that guys are taking clips from TV, providing commentary and selling it..is that even legal? ugh tricky subject but off the cuff: based on the "all rights reserved"/the "you need permission from the nfl to reproduce" message, potentially illegal. However, if i am not mistaken this is in reference to selling the ability to watch the game (i.e. bootleg dvds/streaming) however, there is sometimes an exception for commentary/creating your own thing/parody as seen on youtube where you are generally allowed to take other content and put your own mark on it and still make money off of ad revenue ... how this applies to what these maniacs do I have no idea. I am not a licensed attoreney (yet) so don't count this as gospel lol |
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Post by coachdubyah on Jan 7, 2021 20:19:15 GMT -6
Huey>Twitter Huey has accounted for most of my football knowledge. Aside from experience. Twitter irritates me. It’s so hard to articulate what you’re trying to say on there some times and some of the dudes can be real asshats especially when it comes to terminology. The Twitter coaching all stars are my favorite. They post a clip of 84 x drag z poco and say stuff like “this concept will facemelt any coverage” and their Qb scrambles for 7 seconds, throws across his body, and the receiver makes a 1 handed catch. Then there’s a #AirRaid at the end of it. But what do I know.  |
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