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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2021 16:29:36 GMT -6
the idea of college football coaches having all this unlimited time with their players is not really the case. I think you will see what I am getting at, please don't take this as an attack on what you said, if what you are saying here is true, that college coaches don't have as much time as they supposedly do, how in the heck does Saban manage to teach all the defensive stuff he does, EVEN with one-way players...? That boggles my mind. Principals. Saban talks about it in his one and split field coverage videos. Pruitt gives the secret away in his clinic. |
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Post by conceptsalignments on Jan 1, 2021 17:03:37 GMT -6
I think you will see what I am getting at, please don't take this as an attack on what you said, if what you are saying here is true, that college coaches don't have as much time as they supposedly do, how in the heck does Saban manage to teach all the defensive stuff he does, EVEN with one-way players...? That boggles my mind. Principals. Saban talks about it in his one and split field coverage videos. Pruitt gives the secret away in his clinic. How does principals give you more time? |
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Post by Yash on Jan 1, 2021 19:12:30 GMT -6
See, this message board isn't slower in the off season-- just need to bring up twitter and college coaches having more time... that stoked the fire.
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Post by conceptsalignments on Jan 1, 2021 20:56:16 GMT -6
See, this message board isn't slower in the off season-- just need to bring up twitter and college coaches having more time... that stoked the fire. Lol. Like I said in the OP, the *OTHER* subforums, not including general board, seem slower. |
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Post by conceptsalignments on Jan 1, 2021 22:26:49 GMT -6
Also- if your player doesn't understand the coverage, you're either a bad teacher, or bad at managing your depth chart. Saw this video, and thought about what you said earlier. Start at the 2:45 mark. Clearly the RB was either not taught option details and mechanics, or did not get enough reps doing this to get good at it. |
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Post by **** on Jan 1, 2021 23:06:42 GMT -6
People like me stopped posting And have unfortunately been replaced by people who know less and also help less. Lmao |
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Post by IronmanFootball on Jan 2, 2021 7:26:07 GMT -6
The strength staff has plenty of time and its not as distracted as HS time. Some schools have 50 min periods, that's still 5 to change in and 5 to change out. You MIGHT have 40 min. The block sched guys have 80 min (so 70) but 2x a week one week and 3x another, and then there are Mon/Fri holidays, weekends are a mess and not worth it, plus you are one coach with 40 players vs GA's, interns, assistants, position coaches (who are at workouts at some schools) etc. I would say btwn that, film sessions, coaching, pre-practice, summers, one sport vs 3 + a travel team or two, etc- they get more time. Strength staff is not coaching staff with regards to blown coverages as you mentioned. There are many coaches and posts on this site talking about teams having "qb school" or "fb school" in the offseason, not to mention talk about actual REAL practice during the summer THEN "camp" (Never understood what the hell the need for camp is if you have been practicing all summer) THEN games. All of the other points are very valid. I just wanted to point out that the idea of college football coaches having all this unlimited time with their players is not really the case. If your strength staff isn't developing players visual-cognitive-motor skills what are they doing? Mental Toughness- being able to perform under duress = something the strength staff has a huge part in. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 2, 2021 7:41:45 GMT -6
Strength staff is not coaching staff with regards to blown coverages as you mentioned. There are many coaches and posts on this site talking about teams having "qb school" or "fb school" in the offseason, not to mention talk about actual REAL practice during the summer THEN "camp" (Never understood what the hell the need for camp is if you have been practicing all summer) THEN games. All of the other points are very valid. I just wanted to point out that the idea of college football coaches having all this unlimited time with their players is not really the case. If your strength staff isn't developing players visual-cognitive-motor skills what are they doing? Mental Toughness- being able to perform under duress = something the strength staff has a huge part in. If you are suggesting that a strength staff is responsible for blown coverages... I guess we just have to agree to disagree. |
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Post by carookie on Jan 2, 2021 18:22:05 GMT -6
I find value in discussing things on twitter and have come across several good ideas I've tried to implement or tried to get our OC/HC to implement. I will say, however, I've been a little turned off the last few days. I read a tweet from someone that basically said that if you were playing a kid in a spot to help you win games as opposed to where he projected to play college ball, you were a selfish coach. The tweet plus how many responded agreeing with the tweet was a big turnoff and therefore my twitter time has been WAY down the last several days. I have been on a coaching staff where that was our philosophy-play them where they project at college. School is in the heart of southern california so you are fighting to keep your players from being poached. Selling mom and dad is the number one tool of the usurper coach, so you have to respond in kind to keep them at bay. I imagine bragging about it on twitter is just a way of protecting your own players from getting poached or trying to attract others. |
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Post by wingtol on Jan 2, 2021 19:07:28 GMT -6
Gotta love twitter where you can get guys posting playbook pages and clips of a play with in seconds of it being on TV screaming see see it was Banjo Mike Creep Slice Rip Clamp 7!!!!!!!! I mean come on...
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Post by conceptsalignments on Jan 2, 2021 23:30:12 GMT -6
Gotta love twitter where you can get guys posting playbook pages and clips of a play with in seconds of it being on TV screaming see see it was Banjo Mike Creep Slice Rip Clamp 7!!!!!!!! I mean come on... Lol |
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Post by wolverine55 on Jan 3, 2021 13:36:16 GMT -6
I find value in discussing things on twitter and have come across several good ideas I've tried to implement or tried to get our OC/HC to implement. I will say, however, I've been a little turned off the last few days. I read a tweet from someone that basically said that if you were playing a kid in a spot to help you win games as opposed to where he projected to play college ball, you were a selfish coach. The tweet plus how many responded agreeing with the tweet was a big turnoff and therefore my twitter time has been WAY down the last several days. I have been on a coaching staff where that was our philosophy-play them where they project at college. School is in the heart of southern california so you are fighting to keep your players from being poached. Selling mom and dad is the number one tool of the usurper coach, so you have to respond in kind to keep them at bay. I imagine bragging about it on twitter is just a way of protecting your own players from getting poached or trying to attract others. I guess in this circumstance it's understandable. The most talented team I've ever coached had maybe 5 or 6 recruitable kids total, so I probably just have a hard time relating to the concept of taking college translation into account. |
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 3, 2021 17:12:21 GMT -6
If you're playing a kid somewhere that doesn't help you win based off where he thinks he'll play college football, does it matter if he transfers?
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Post by carookie on Jan 3, 2021 18:39:11 GMT -6
If you're playing a kid somewhere that doesn't help you win based off where he thinks he'll play college football, does it matter if he transfers? I agree with you in principle, but that school had now become a destination school that kids flock to. They are chocked full of d1 kids now so its almost become a moot point. With rings to go along with it 10 years back, it may have cost us some wins; but one could argue that it helped build them to where they are today |
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Post by carookie on Jan 3, 2021 18:44:48 GMT -6
I have been on a coaching staff where that was our philosophy-play them where they project at college. School is in the heart of southern california so you are fighting to keep your players from being poached. Selling mom and dad is the number one tool of the usurper coach, so you have to respond in kind to keep them at bay. I imagine bragging about it on twitter is just a way of protecting your own players from getting poached or trying to attract others. I guess in this circumstance it's understandable. The most talented team I've ever coached had maybe 5 or 6 recruitable kids total, so I probably just have a hard time relating to the concept of taking college translation into account. Im with you, i had too many LBers one year and begged the dc to take em on the dl (and started winning more when he finally did). But theyve grown into a big time program, so it may have worked out. I still cant stand it, but we live in a world where a coaches ability to “recruit” (nee poach) talent is important. Citing players youve had go to college may be more important to job security than winning games |
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 3, 2021 18:53:56 GMT -6
If you're playing a kid somewhere that doesn't help you win based off where he thinks he'll play college football, does it matter if he transfers? I agree with you in principle, but that school had now become a destination school that kids flock to. They are chocked full of d1 kids now so its almost become a moot point. With rings to go along with it 10 years back, it may have cost us some wins; but one could argue that it helped build them to where they are today I'd rather lose than sell my soul and principles and have a HS dictate my decisions to me. To each their own. |
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Post by carookie on Jan 3, 2021 19:37:35 GMT -6
I agree with you in principle, but that school had now become a destination school that kids flock to. They are chocked full of d1 kids now so its almost become a moot point. With rings to go along with it 10 years back, it may have cost us some wins; but one could argue that it helped build them to where they are today I'd rather lose than sell my soul and principles and have a HS dictate my decisions to me. To each their own. I feel you, I can speak on the guy I coached with though and this was HIS principles alone. He spent a lot of time coaching at the upper levels though, so to him his time at HS he viewed as trying to develop for the next level. I imagine its how many of us would feel if we were HC of a Pop Warner/Jr All American/Youth Program. But as you wrote, to each their own. |
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Post by fantom on Jan 3, 2021 20:52:57 GMT -6
I guess in this circumstance it's understandable. The most talented team I've ever coached had maybe 5 or 6 recruitable kids total, so I probably just have a hard time relating to the concept of taking college translation into account. Im with you, i had too many LBers one year and begged the dc to take em on the dl (and started winning more when he finally did). But theyve grown into a big time program, so it may have worked out. I still cant stand it, but we live in a world where a coaches ability to “recruit” (nee poach) talent is important. Citing players youve had go to college may be more important to job security than winning games And the irony is that colleges don't care what position a kid plays in HS. |
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Post by carookie on Jan 3, 2021 21:09:13 GMT -6
Im with you, i had too many LBers one year and begged the dc to take em on the dl (and started winning more when he finally did). But theyve grown into a big time program, so it may have worked out. I still cant stand it, but we live in a world where a coaches ability to “recruit” (nee poach) talent is important. Citing players youve had go to college may be more important to job security than winning games And the irony is that colleges don't care what position a kid plays in HS. That was always my argument, but the HC spent several years coaching at the FBS level (including a few as a coordinator) so his opinion carried a bit more sway. He felt it helped showcase their abilities at the position, and that our coaching made them better prepared; as was cited elsewhere, college coaches don't get that much time to work with their position players. So if a player already had a strong grasp of fundamentals at a given position they were a better recruit there too. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2021 5:02:45 GMT -6
Im with you, i had too many LBers one year and begged the dc to take em on the dl (and started winning more when he finally did). But theyve grown into a big time program, so it may have worked out. I still cant stand it, but we live in a world where a coaches ability to “recruit” (nee poach) talent is important. Citing players youve had go to college may be more important to job security than winning games And the irony is that colleges don't care what position a kid plays in HS. YES SIR! They don’t care where you are, what offense you play in, and they certainly don’t care who the coach is. Can they run, do they have the measurables. That’s it. Nice neat and tidy. And if you think your kids are hidden gems? Don’t kid yourself. |
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 4, 2021 7:28:02 GMT -6
And the irony is that colleges don't care what position a kid plays in HS. YES SIR! They don’t care where you are, what offense you play in, and they certainly don’t care who the coach is. Can they run, do they have the measurables. That’s it. Nice neat and tidy. And if you think your kids are hidden gems? Don’t kid yourself. That's also pribably why so many programs suck, but I digress... |
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Post by CoachSP on Jan 4, 2021 7:35:25 GMT -6
Too many guys are in the side hustle business. They are selling things that are given to them for free.
You can't ask a question on Twitter without getting, "That's in my book available here"
I can't hate on guys making extra cash, but it has made it harder to trade ideas.
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 4, 2021 7:38:11 GMT -6
Too many guys are in the side hustle business. They are selling things that are given to them for free. You can't ask a question on Twitter without getting, "That's in my book available here" I can't hate on guys making extra cash, but it has made it harder to trade ideas. It happens here. Maybe not selling it for money, but maybe wanting you to call their lonely selves on the phone. |
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Post by wingtol on Jan 4, 2021 8:24:07 GMT -6
And the irony is that colleges don't care what position a kid plays in HS. YES SIR! They don’t care where you are, what offense you play in, and they certainly don’t care who the coach is. Can they run, do they have the measurables. That’s it. Nice neat and tidy. And if you think your kids are hidden gems? Don’t kid yourself. Reggie Bush and Alex Smith played together in HS....running the wing-t. Didn't seem to hold them back at all |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2021 8:56:09 GMT -6
YES SIR! They don’t care where you are, what offense you play in, and they certainly don’t care who the coach is. Can they run, do they have the measurables. That’s it. Nice neat and tidy. And if you think your kids are hidden gems? Don’t kid yourself. Reggie Bush and Alex Smith played together in HS....running the wing-t. Didn't seem to hold them back at all Coaches guilt. For whatever many a coach seem to think they need a higher calling than just coaching the players they have and win games. |
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Post by bulldogsdc on Jan 4, 2021 10:19:13 GMT -6
It's all been off season since March, bruh......
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Post by wolverine55 on Jan 4, 2021 10:27:08 GMT -6
Im with you, i had too many LBers one year and begged the dc to take em on the dl (and started winning more when he finally did). But theyve grown into a big time program, so it may have worked out. I still cant stand it, but we live in a world where a coaches ability to “recruit” (nee poach) talent is important. Citing players youve had go to college may be more important to job security than winning games And the irony is that colleges don't care what position a kid plays in HS. The coach who I referred to that started this whole discussion swears he used to get messages from college coaches saying, "Man, I like that kid. I just wish we had some film of him playing (insert position here)." I was skeptical, as were many who replied to his tweet. |
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Post by coachcb on Jan 4, 2021 10:45:45 GMT -6
And the irony is that colleges don't care what position a kid plays in HS. The coach who I referred to that started this whole discussion swears he used to get messages from college coaches saying, "Man, I like that kid. I just wish we had some film of him playing (insert position here)." I was skeptical, as were many who replied to his tweet.
I've literally never had a college coach state anything along those lines. However, they all ask about the kids' attitudes and we'll have something to say about that if a kid is tossing out his "preferred position".
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Post by fkaboneyard on Jan 4, 2021 15:48:56 GMT -6
The coach who I referred to that started this whole discussion swears he used to get messages from college coaches saying, "Man, I like that kid. I just wish we had some film of him playing (insert position here)." I was skeptical, as were many who replied to his tweet.
I've literally never had a college coach state anything along those lines. However, they all ask about the kids' attitudes and we'll have something to say about that if a kid is tossing out his "preferred position".
Every college football coach that looked at a kid we had was entirely focused on the things that couldn't be taught - size, athleticism, character. We never had one ask about position, but maybe that was because they had seen the kid play in a game (or at least the kid's film) and already knew where they played.
Baseball was entirely different - they didn't care that my pitcher was a 6'0, 290lb lug, they wanted to know his measurables. Other than pitcher, they didn't really care what position they played, only if they could hit.
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Post by coachcb on Jan 4, 2021 16:43:54 GMT -6
I've literally never had a college coach state anything along those lines. However, they all ask about the kids' attitudes and we'll have something to say about that if a kid is tossing out his "preferred position".
Every college football coach that looked at a kid we had was entirely focused on the things that couldn't be taught - size, athleticism, character. We never had one ask about position, but maybe that was because they had seen the kid play in a game (or at least the kid's film) and already knew where they played.
Baseball was entirely different - they didn't care that my pitcher was a 6'0, 290lb lug, they wanted to know his measurables. Other than pitcher, they didn't really care what position they played, only if they could hit.
Yes indeed. They've seen the kid play; they know where he's at and what he needs to be taught. We had an two year all-state safety that lost out on full scholarship after colleges asked me about his off-season work ethic. The kid didn't lift weights, he made it known that he wouldn't do so and colleges didn't like that.
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