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Post by RuningOutOfOptions on Jul 24, 2017 14:48:19 GMT -6
just finished season 2. 1. I got the vibe in season 1 that Ms. Wagner was getting plowed by half the team -Watching season 2 i get the feeling that she thought that after watching it herself on TV, and seemed to distance herself some from them this year. Maybe i am weird. 2. The whole deal with the OC in last game seems like a set up. 1 of 2 things... either total set up for fake drama for TV... or That QB coach Trickett set the whole thing up. He popped up and smiled SUPER FAST when buddy got pissed at the OC. Like way too fast for it to be a normal reaction. If it wasnt a TV set up, then my theory is Trickett had been in Buddy's ear for awhile saying OC was undermining him (hinting OC wants to take over as HC). My theory is he undermined the underminer to get to take over. 3. There is like zero coaching that actually happens in the whole series. The only thing they ever say is they need to play harder or simply "want it more" 1. not getting the same vibe,but I miss those vibes. 2. I know the OC called himself a coach in waiting, and he got the position of vice AD after last season. I would not be surprised if Buddy is getting one last chance this season, and if it does not go better now 2017 it would not be shocking if he looses his job if they don't win the national championship. 3. The only person I hear talk a little bit of coaching is the DL coach. But mostly it seems to be the coaching staff shaming the players. Could be cut that way. Would be nice with a version but with all the coaching instead. would be pretty cool to watch. |
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Post by wolverine55 on Jul 24, 2017 14:55:53 GMT -6
I just finished the last episode now...boy, that scene with the OC being removed does seem fake as hell. In addition to the ultra-quick reaction by the booth coach, it's one of the only scenes where the cameras are far away from the action. But, as mentioned, maybe there was plenty going on beforehand that led to that point that didn't get shown.
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Post by wingtol on Jul 24, 2017 18:41:34 GMT -6
just finished season 2. 1. I got the vibe in season 1 that Ms. Wagner was getting plowed by half the team -Watching season 2 i get the feeling that she thought that after watching it herself on TV, and seemed to distance herself some from them this year. Maybe i am weird. 2. The whole deal with the OC in last game seems like a set up. 1 of 2 things... either total set up for fake drama for TV... or That QB coach Trickett set the whole thing up. He popped up and smiled SUPER FAST when buddy got pissed at the OC. Like way too fast for it to be a normal reaction. If it wasnt a TV set up, then my theory is Trickett had been in Buddy's ear for awhile saying OC was undermining him (hinting OC wants to take over as HC). My theory is he undermined the underminer to get to take over. 3. There is like zero coaching that actually happens in the whole series. The only thing they ever say is they need to play harder or simply "want it more" 1. We actually tried to set an over/under on that number at a coaches meeting last year, not weird at all. 2-3. Haven't watched it all yet, maybe a SPOILER WARNING would have been nice... lol |
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Post by brophy on Jul 25, 2017 8:57:41 GMT -6
speaking of "making sausage", try discussing the series with anyone not coaching. The uninitiated person would tell you that, "the coaches from Coahoma were really good and what the kids needed". You know....the team that finished 1-9. They all believe those kids were just misunderstood and needed someone to talk to them nicely, then they would be sufficiently motivated.  They have no idea how fickle the life of a full-time college coach is (even though the DC of season 2 explains how they have moved 12 times) |
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Post by 3rdandlong on Jul 25, 2017 18:03:32 GMT -6
The game where the DC gets torched is a commercial for the flexbone
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Post by mariner42 on Jul 25, 2017 18:57:17 GMT -6
The mentality of a lot of these kids disgusts me. The fact that they don't care about the team at all. And I get that its not like these kids grew up working their arses off to get to East MS Community College. But have your teammates backs. Act like you care about the fans who don't have anything positive in their community except the local football team. Be a team player. When you put a lot of stress onto being flashy, this is what happens to your team. You may win on talent alone, but the seasons are fricking miserable. It's all about egos, entitlement, and selfishness for these guys. At the risk of being a pansy liberal: When I see a lot of those kids, I basically see Maslow's hierarchy of needs in action. Some of those kids come from such broken/destitute situations where they cannot operate above self-interest and even then a lot of the higher order concepts like putting others first just doesn't apply. I've coached/taught super impoverished Hispanic kids like this most of my career and the similarity in behaviors is super similar. I don't deny their agency in the situation, but they're absolutely shaped by their environments. |
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Post by mariner42 on Jul 25, 2017 19:06:22 GMT -6
Oh, and F*CK EVERYTHING about the whole situation with the kid with the concussion. "Miss Brittany" should've f*cking said something if she was getting the info from the players. The HC set the profession back 10 years. The trainer needs to grow a f*cking spine.
Just thinking about it all gets me pissed again.
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Post by The Lunch Pail on Jul 25, 2017 19:26:22 GMT -6
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Post by fantom on Jul 25, 2017 20:13:15 GMT -6
Oh, and F*CK EVERYTHING about the whole situation with the kid with the concussion. "Miss Brittany" should've f*cking said something if she was getting the info from the players. The HC set the profession back 10 years. The trainer needs to grow a f*cking spine. Just thinking about it all gets me pissed again. If a guidance counselor came to you because she said that a player was injured how would you feel? |
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Post by Defcord on Jul 25, 2017 21:18:31 GMT -6
Oh, and F*CK EVERYTHING about the whole situation with the kid with the concussion. "Miss Brittany" should've f*cking said something if she was getting the info from the players. The HC set the profession back 10 years. The trainer needs to grow a f*cking spine. Just thinking about it all gets me pissed again. Didn't they take the wright kid out after signs of concussion were present? That's why the kid threw the fit.? |
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Post by mariner42 on Jul 25, 2017 23:02:46 GMT -6
Oh, and F*CK EVERYTHING about the whole situation with the kid with the concussion. "Miss Brittany" should've f*cking said something if she was getting the info from the players. The HC set the profession back 10 years. The trainer needs to grow a f*cking spine. Just thinking about it all gets me pissed again. If a guidance counselor came to you because she said that a player was injured how would you feel? Maybe I'm weird but I don't care who is coming to me with that. We had a kid basically ruin his own life by not saying anything about a concussion and continuing to play, thereby getting a second within the same game. I'm beyond paranoid about concussions given where we are as a sport. But if let them back into the game too soon, that's on me. With her level of open access to players, that's gospel as far as I'm concerned. |
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Post by rsmith627 on Jul 26, 2017 5:59:56 GMT -6
Overall I think Wagner is great. I also think she is complicit with some of the problems that are there.
With the cameras and editing, who knows, but she owed it to that kid to say something about the concussion issues. As coaches, we all know most kids won't self report.
I also don't recall seeing her talk to and interact with any coach much if any in two seasons. Maybe she does and it gets cut from the film. Don't know. Seems to me that if your mission is to rehab players then that's probably part of the job.
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Post by rsmith627 on Jul 26, 2017 6:01:08 GMT -6
I think the best character is the whack job in the stands roaring like an idiot.
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Post by fantom on Jul 26, 2017 7:49:13 GMT -6
Overall I think Wagner is great. I also think she is complicit with some of the problems that are there. With the cameras and editing, who knows, but she owed it to that kid to say something about the concussion issues. As coaches, we all know most kids won't self report. I also don't recall seeing her talk to and interact with any coach much if any in two seasons. Maybe she does and it gets cut from the film. Don't know. Seems to me that if your mission is to rehab players then that's probably part of the job. Wasn't there a 10 minute segment in one episode where she and the DL coach talked to a kid? As for going to the HC about an injury, that's not her job. |
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Post by rsmith627 on Jul 26, 2017 7:51:23 GMT -6
Overall I think Wagner is great. I also think she is complicit with some of the problems that are there. With the cameras and editing, who knows, but she owed it to that kid to say something about the concussion issues. As coaches, we all know most kids won't self report. I also don't recall seeing her talk to and interact with any coach much if any in two seasons. Maybe she does and it gets cut from the film. Don't know. Seems to me that if your mission is to rehab players then that's probably part of the job. Wasn't there a 10 minute segment in one episode where she and the DL coach talked to a kid? As for going to the HC about an injury, that's not her job. There was. I think it was that Kam kid? Like I said, I'm sure it happens more than that and gets edited out. Is reporting injuries to the coach in her job description? Probably not. The kid had a head injury though. Her job IS to be an advocate for those kids and she failed. Plain and simple. |
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Post by fantom on Jul 26, 2017 7:54:51 GMT -6
Wasn't there a 10 minute segment in one episode where she and the DL coach talked to a kid? As for going to the HC about an injury, that's not her job. There was. I think it was that Kam kid? Like I said, I'm sure it happens more than that and gets edited out. Is reporting injuries to the coach in her job description? Probably not. The kid had a head injury though. Her job IS to be an advocate for those kids and she failed. Plain and simple. Guidance counselor meetings don't make compelling TV. I wouldn't be surprised that some time in the past the HC has informed Ms. Wagner in no uncertain terms that she needs to stay in her lane. |
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Post by rsmith627 on Jul 26, 2017 7:57:19 GMT -6
There was. I think it was that Kam kid? Like I said, I'm sure it happens more than that and gets edited out. Is reporting injuries to the coach in her job description? Probably not. The kid had a head injury though. Her job IS to be an advocate for those kids and she failed. Plain and simple. Guidance counselor meetings don't make compelling TV. I wouldn't be surprised that some time in the past the HC has informed Ms. Wagner in no uncertain terms that she needs to stay in her lane. That could very well be, and wouldn't surprise me either. I read an article where he sounded genuinely surprised that she was leaving and said he thought they had a decent working relationship. A lot goes on off camera that we don't see, and of course there are two sides to every story. I think Buddy is probably a dick, but the cameras probably make him look worse than he is as well. |
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Post by option1 on Jul 26, 2017 9:14:05 GMT -6
Wasn't there a 10 minute segment in one episode where she and the DL coach talked to a kid? As for going to the HC about an injury, that's not her job. There was. I think it was that Kam kid? Like I said, I'm sure it happens more than that and gets edited out. Is reporting injuries to the coach in her job description? Probably not. The kid had a head injury though. Her job IS to be an advocate for those kids and she failed. Plain and simple. I'm sure she, or anyone with this type of information would be held accountable in a negligence law suit if something happened to a player though. |
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Post by fantom on Jul 26, 2017 9:22:52 GMT -6
There was. I think it was that Kam kid? Like I said, I'm sure it happens more than that and gets edited out. Is reporting injuries to the coach in her job description? Probably not. The kid had a head injury though. Her job IS to be an advocate for those kids and she failed. Plain and simple. I'm sure she, or anyone with this type of information would be held accountable in a negligence law suit if something happened to a player though. I'm not a lawyer but I'm not sure that this is correct in a college setting. |
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Post by option1 on Jul 26, 2017 9:28:26 GMT -6
I'm sure she, or anyone with this type of information would be held accountable in a negligence law suit if something happened to a player though. I'm not a lawyer but I'm not sure that this is correct in a college setting. My wife is a para-legal and while we were watching she said that anyone with knowledge at the school could be subpoenad in a case against the institution, and could very well be sued individually. That's what I meant by "accountable." |
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Post by NC1974 on Jul 26, 2017 9:40:07 GMT -6
As far as the legal aspects of her reporting an injury, I go back to what a lawyer friend once told me....."anyone can be sued." Yeah, you might beat the allegations, but only after you or your employer has shelled out $$$ for representation.
Beyond legality, if you care for these players as she claims to, and you're hearing that a kid is hiding a head injury, I think most of us would say something. I'm not judging because who knows what went on beyond the cameras. She may very well have said something.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2017 9:43:09 GMT -6
Season 1 I only needed subtitles for the 2 DTs. Season 2 I needed it for just about all of the players.
Dadgum.
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Post by rsmith627 on Jul 26, 2017 9:44:45 GMT -6
Season 1 I only needed subtitles for the 2 DTs. Season 2 I needed it for just about all of the players.
Dadgum.
Why? Didn't 98% of all words on that show start with an F or N? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2017 9:45:58 GMT -6
Season 1 I only needed subtitles for the 2 DTs. Season 2 I needed it for just about all of the players.
Dadgum.
Why? Didn't 98% of all words on that show start with an F or N?
"Finna" - what the {censored} does "Finna" mean?
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Post by rsmith627 on Jul 26, 2017 9:46:48 GMT -6
Why? Didn't 98% of all words on that show start with an F or N?
"Finna" - what the {censored} does "Finna" mean?
Means fixing to, which is slang for going to? My upper class suburban white kids who think they live in poverty use it all the time. |
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Post by rsmith627 on Jul 26, 2017 9:47:27 GMT -6
Why? Didn't 98% of all words on that show start with an F or N?
"Finna" - what the {censored} does "Finna" mean?
I also lived in the southeast for a few years. That probably helped. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2017 9:49:31 GMT -6
"Finna" - what the {censored} does "Finna" mean?
I also lived in the southeast for a few years. That probably helped.
Being from Scotland certainly didn't!
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Post by option1 on Jul 26, 2017 9:52:57 GMT -6
I was told to take "I do not respond to ebonics" off my syllabus.
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Post by rsmith627 on Jul 26, 2017 9:53:49 GMT -6
I also lived in the southeast for a few years. That probably helped.
Being from Scotland certainly didn't!
That's ok. As a language teacher I find that it's helpful to use new vocab as much as possible. Coach, how many points you finna score week 1? How many you finna give up? How many games y'all boys finna win this year, bruh? |
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Post by coachbdud on Jul 26, 2017 9:58:17 GMT -6
I've used finnah every day of my life since i was in HS
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