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Post by CS on May 22, 2020 20:51:03 GMT -6
I'm going to play your part for a moment. What happens when your most hard working, never misses a second, first one there, last one to leave but couldn't play dead in a western kid is in the same position as a kid who would be there but he has been sitting in the hospital with his dying mother and missed a few weeks of summer sessions? By your logic, of discipline and work ethic rewarding, the gangly kid with no athletic ability gets to start all season because, you know, family isn't as important as making your workouts exactly. The superstar corner who didnt do a thing take his rightful place on field. Academic ? Ah screw it? Practice? We talkin' about practice? Hell with coaches call this is his team. That works out well. You make zero sense and i'm not sure that you can
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Post by CS on May 22, 2020 18:36:05 GMT -6
What's hypocritical, the idea that we'll do whatever is best for the team? We never tell them anything other than that. Kids don't work out to make them the best player at their position on our team. They're trying to get them better than they guys who they're going to play against. The plain fact is sometimes a kid can work as hard as possible, make himself as good as he can be, but somebody else may still be a better football player and give the TEAM a better chance to win. Football is, after all, a team sport. all is true except the discipline and the team just hit the door. If work ethic means nothing, if it is not rewarded, and by extension, lack of work ethic is rewarded, you lose the team, but future potential players. That is not what is best for the team. And it makes the coach a hypocrite. The coach says all the right things but does not believe or live it out. I'm going to play your part for a moment. What happens when your most hard working, never misses a second, first one there, last one to leave but couldn't play dead in a western kid is in the same position as a kid who would be there but he has been sitting in the hospital with his dying mother and missed a few weeks of summer sessions? By your logic, of discipline and work ethic rewarding, the gangly kid with no athletic ability gets to start all season because, you know, family isn't as important as making your workouts
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Post by CS on May 22, 2020 15:04:01 GMT -6
Like what blb said, not one person gets all of the reps anyway. Kids know who the better players are. Plus if you're not afraid of difficult conversations and you sit and talk to kids they generally understand. That being said if your scenario actually played out as you described it I have never coached a team that had a kid taking all the reps during the summer and then get bounced as soon as another kid got back. If the kid coming back was good enough i'm sure that the kid who got tons of reps in the summer would be at least good enough to split some reps if I had spent all summer repping his a$$ I know the kids know the pecking order. And there is always a social draw to playin any sport. But if its the players play, the coach really doesnt really believe in discipline. THe. Coach doesnt really believe in hard work or any of the other non sense he is selling. My example was a kid who had to leave the state to live with another parent because his parents were divorced and it was the only time he could see his dad throughout the year and somehow you turn that into not believing in hard work or discipline? I have had this happen at two different schools now. One kid, who is at Harvard now, got all of his make-ups done in one week(he doubled up if you are wondering). The other kid quit after a few days. We can "what if" all day long but ultimately if a kid is just skipping practice he won't be very good. He won't know the plays or be in shape and the other kids will. If a kid has to miss because of family and pays his dues and is physically ready to play when the season rolls around then he will play if he is the best.
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Post by CS on May 22, 2020 13:15:26 GMT -6
Agreed. We enforce making up the practice that you missed but we have kids who miss all summer to go and live with their Dad in another state. Can't fault a kid if that's his only chance to see his dad all year. I don't do the case by case basis because that's opening up yourself to bull$hit you don't have time for. Hard fast rule. You miss you make it up. If you have made it up by the time its game time then you can play if we feel like you are ready to. If its the whole summer kid it would be 2 weeks of make ups mostly for conditioning purposes and he would be fine and what do you tell the kid who shows to every session, then when practice starts, the guy who didnt show. For whatever reason gets all the reps? Like what blb said, not one person gets all of the reps anyway. Kids know who the better players are. Plus if you're not afraid of difficult conversations and you sit and talk to kids they generally understand. That being said if your scenario actually played out as you described it I have never coached a team that had a kid taking all the reps during the summer and then get bounced as soon as another kid got back. If the kid coming back was good enough i'm sure that the kid who got tons of reps in the summer would be at least good enough to split some reps if I had spent all summer repping his a$$
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Post by CS on May 21, 2020 8:46:08 GMT -6
Ten year old topic coming back to life, gotta love a pandemic. First off no way can you truly hold kid accountable for missing out of season work outs. That's a pissing contest you don't want to start most places. Best it to reward those who do show up, team gear, pick number first, etc. Second, and coming from a small school mentality right now, it's funny how we have thread after thread about getting kids to come out and play then thread after thread about punishing them for not coming to non-mandatory stuff. We want numbers numbers number on the team but then are like "Well you didnt make 75% of off season stuff so go run 6 miles, do 100 up downs, and roll 100 yards!" Say goodbye to that kid. If a kid is that far behind at the star of the season they will find out real fast what they missed and either make a choice themselves to pick it up or broom themselves. Just feel like we want to cut off our noses to spite our faces sometimes as coaches when it comes to kids playing as the war on football rages on... Agreed. We enforce making up the practice that you missed but we have kids who miss all summer to go and live with their Dad in another state. Can't fault a kid if that's his only chance to see his dad all year. I don't do the case by case basis because that's opening up yourself to bull$hit you don't have time for. Hard fast rule. You miss you make it up. If you have made it up by the time its game time then you can play if we feel like you are ready to. If its the whole summer kid it would be 2 weeks of make ups mostly for conditioning purposes and he would be fine
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Post by CS on May 12, 2020 17:08:43 GMT -6
That’s really 2 sides to the same coin. Depends on how they do it, how you view it, and who it is. I would argue that the guys making bank in high school live in a community that you would be the minority in because they make that pay day BECAUSE the community want the team to win There is no money, none whatsoever coming from the community this school is in. ZERO. None of the coaches, except one, live in this school district. It is strictly because it is damn near impossible to get anybody to come. No coach worth their salt stays, no teacher of any accomplishment would come here, much less raise their family here. All the money comes from the state or county. There is no such thing as real parental involvement. It doesnt exist. The kids dont dare have zoom meetings. why? Because that computer will be gone when he leaves for any length of time. The demographics where Uncle Tom or my HC lives, is completely opposite of where he works. The community in which he works, he has the only African American family. We do not have a white kid on our team. We have one Hispanic who sort of shows up..when he wants to. White Kids go to school in the district where my boss lives and puts his kids in school. We go 4-6, 5-5? They are firing Uncle Tom. And not because he is 4-6 or 5-5 but because he is Uncle Tom. I would not be far off in guessing that the total income, like any job at all for my group of parent, and its not parents, its parent, is less than 60,000 a year. I have 5-8 kids depending on which day it is. Good to know
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Post by CS on May 12, 2020 16:42:22 GMT -6
Not a thing wrong with being a janitor, My kids are just capable doing better for themselves. The system is set up for them to do better for themselves. Plenty of people can do janitorial work. Plenty of people of will. What wrong with wanting for your players? Why would you give your players the idea that is ok work, especially when you know they are capable of more. Wouldn't labeling something "not ok work" be demeaning to those who do the work, some of which could be parents or relatives of these players. More importantly, you think that doing janitorial tasks would then inspire someone to say "Hey, this is good. I want to do this. Screw that A in Calculus I am carrying." Really? That doing some type of service project would change their life trajectory? Hell, I might think it would work in the opposite manner, and expose someone to something they DON'T want to do, so they make choices due to that. That’s really 2 sides to the same coin. Depends on how they do it, how you view it, and who it is. I would argue that the guys making bank in high school live in a community that you would be the minority in because they make that pay day BECAUSE the community want the team to win
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Post by CS on May 12, 2020 16:40:40 GMT -6
What's wrong with being a janitor? It's good, honest, useful work. Not a thing wrong with being a janitor, My kids are just capable doing better for themselves. The system is set up for them to do better for themselves. Plenty of people can do janitorial work. Plenty of people of will. What wrong with wanting more for and from your players? Why would you give your players the idea that is ok work, especially when you know they are capable of more. You in one breath will say that community service doesn’t affect a kid in a positive manner but in the same breath think that having kids do janitorial work will encourage them to be janitors? Thanks for your contribution to the topic
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Post by CS on May 12, 2020 14:17:17 GMT -6
Could be off base here and he can correct me if I’m wrong but I’m not sure he is mocking good deeds but the reasons behind them. We live in a society that’s just trying to be seen constantly and self promotion is everywhere. I’m not talking sh!t about those people...live and let live and all. He’s mocking the people who post the good deeds as a way of saying “Hey! Look at me and what a great man I am for influencing kids to be better! Give me likes!” When in reality the kids are probably already good kids and they don’t have the influence they think in the long term. I have a buddy who had his team be janitors for a day and clean toilets in the school and empty trash cans etc. and posted it all over Facebook. Don’t get me wrong I love this guy. He’s a great dude but I was even thinking that was ridiculous. But, again, it’s his team and that what he had them do. To each his own I get that..but by posting "called it" isn't he in effect saying that the OP is doing that? By constantly bemoaning people asking about such things, isn't he inherently suggesting that the vast majority of coaches are like that? Not to mention, even if the good deeds get posted.. they were still done right? Sure, it is kind of grating on one's sensibilities to see rich and famous people donating large sums of money (but the equivalent 99% of the population donating maybe $50 bucks) Jeff Bezoz donated 100 million recently, which seems great until you find out his net worth has increased 25 BILLION during the COVID-19 Pandemic. So that isn't a big deal in terms of what he did, but for the people receiving aid from that 100million, do they care that the guy is pandering? Hell, it is still better than the guy in the white house who says he was charitable but turns out he never donated.... So, again, why mock someone who is doing good deeds. Not to be a dick but having kids do virtual community service reeks of social media plastering. Here’s the deal. I post sh!t on social media all the time but I’m promoting the players as much as I can. It’s just the world we live in. So I’m not against social media at all. Your last statement pretty much answers your question though. You compare Jeff Bezoz who did relatively nothing as far as skin off his a$$ and used it to insult another rich person because he didn’t give anything. That’s why larrymo is pi$$y about community service posters. Because they do it for self promotion a guy like him is expected to or he gets ridiculed
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Post by CS on May 12, 2020 9:13:33 GMT -6
Yes- but your tone here in in the other thread still begs the question : “why is doing good deeds something to be mocked?” Could be off base here and he can correct me if I’m wrong but I’m not sure he is mocking good deeds but the reasons behind them. We live in a society that’s just trying to be seen constantly and self promotion is everywhere. I’m not talking sh!t about those people...live and let live and all. He’s mocking the people who post the good deeds as a way of saying “Hey! Look at me and what a great man I am for influencing kids to be better! Give me likes!” When in reality the kids are probably already good kids and they don’t have the influence they think in the long term. I have a buddy who had his team be janitors for a day and clean toilets in the school and empty trash cans etc. and posted it all over Facebook. Don’t get me wrong I love this guy. He’s a great dude but I was even thinking that was ridiculous. But, again, it’s his team and that what he had them do. To each his own
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Post by CS on May 8, 2020 18:42:00 GMT -6
I LOVE that he called a 35 year old a kid!!!!!! I'm more impressed a 35 year old knows what the Wing T is. (Sarcasm, I'm 33 and quite familiar) The 35 year old ran the wishbone which is even more shocking
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Post by CS on May 7, 2020 13:02:43 GMT -6
One "red flag" in your original post is the phrase "you are after a kid". While that can mean several things, I think the many here would support the statement "don't go chasing after kids". Sure invite them to play but after that, continued "recruiting" is more often than not going to fruitless. If a kid has to be pursued, he probably is not that into it, and there is a good chance that he folds up when things get tough. Also, in this specific situation, how do you know what the parents are saying? Did they tell you, or did he? Again, I would not be surprised if the majority of time, when parents "say" their kids can't play, they actually have no idea their kids want to play. That message is coming just from the kid. Great questions and valid points. I don't know what situations or kids you work with, so I will not assume. I can only speak for myself... I am in a small school, with very low numbers and a declining enrollment. Our football program's future is bleak unless we get kids out to play. I am very much "after" kids to get on the field. Not going to back down from that statement. Now, if a kid has told me no after a few attempts and they simply will not do it, I move on. Also, I have been in situations where I have worked with kids who have no future dreams, goals, or aspirations and I worked hard to get them into football and it made a difference in their life. Will some of these kids fold up when it gets tough? Absolutely. I can live with that, as long as I maintain strong relationships off the field no matter what, which is what it always comes down to. I haven't had a relationship with a kid deteriorate because I pushed them to do something they might have been hesitant to do. Sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't, but they know I still care about them as people. RE: parents and what they are saying, I spoke to parents directly. Mom is against it, dad is for it, kid wants to play, and both parents knows he wants to play. Not an uncommon situation for us. I learned a while back that its better to put the pressure on the kids who are on the team to get kids out that "need" to play. The are much better recruiters and retainers than any coach will ever be. That has nothing to do with you talking to the parents but the kids also know who will never get to play as well so they won't bother
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Post by CS on May 7, 2020 4:37:00 GMT -6
Punch them in the head and yell,”see! You can get a concussion anywhere!!” As you run away
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Post by CS on Apr 30, 2020 18:10:45 GMT -6
Seriously, this is not really a real topic, is it? Y'all are fricking football coaches...not cub scout troop leaders! I generally agree with your take on the gimmicky horse$hit that is culture in today’s football world but I will disagree here. Nothing wrong with your team doing community service. Nothing wrong with anyone doing community service really
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Post by CS on Apr 23, 2020 14:58:37 GMT -6
If you breach contract here they can take your teaching license so I suppose that is the mechanism for keeping teachers/coaches honest so to speak. We can't be "fired" for losing either. They can reassign us but they have to pay us the same stipend amount we were making. Now if we are just sitting around on our a$$es then yeah they can fire us but if we are legit making an effort then they can't. For instance, the school I just left reassigned their head girls bball coach after 4 years going 0-93. He is now possibly the highest paid 7th grade boys bball/7th grade girls track coach because they can't take his stipends away. So if say, a family member has a major health issue in October, an the Baseball coach goes to the principal and says "hey look, I can't coach baseball this year" he would still get paid for it? Or he would have his teaching license suspended? What state? There are quit a few if thens to that answer.
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Post by CS on Apr 23, 2020 14:06:53 GMT -6
Couldn’t tell you. I would assume that they wouldn’t have to pay anything back because it’s actually added into our salaries on our contracts. This is state wide not just my district. Why would you assume they wouldn't have to pay something back if they "breached" contract by not coaching? What do you mean by "added into our salaries in contracts"? That intertwining is interesting to say the least. Here you recieve a percentage of salary as a coaching stipend, which (at least for football) is distributed equally through all 24 paychecks. So for example if on the salary scale you made $40,000 based on years and degree and you got 7% for being an asst football coach each of your 24 paychecks will have an additional 116 or so (pre tax) categorized as a coaching stipend. Come February, you are still getting that 116 even though football "season" is long over. I am assuming that if you are just a softball coach, you are getting your stipend 1/24 of your stipend on each check too, even if your season hasn't started yet. I would be surprised if your district/state did not have a mechanism to keep teachers/coaches from collecting stipends and then not fulfilling the duties for which they were paid. If you breach contract here they can take your teaching license so I suppose that is the mechanism for keeping teachers/coaches honest so to speak. We can't be "fired" for losing either. They can reassign us but they have to pay us the same stipend amount we were making. Now if we are just sitting around on our a$$es then yeah they can fire us but if we are legit making an effort then they can't. For instance, the school I just left reassigned their head girls bball coach after 4 years going 0-93. He is now possibly the highest paid 7th grade boys bball/7th grade girls track coach because they can't take his stipends away.
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Post by CS on Apr 23, 2020 12:39:16 GMT -6
Our stipends are included in our yearly salary So what is the process if a coach doesn't coach like wolverine55 stated? I honestly don't know what would happen in my district. I am guessing if the person decided not to coach but was still an employee that "pay back" of previous paid stipends would be withheld from the paychecks. If the person just up and left, I guess whatever portion was recoverable would be withheld from final check. Not sure what happens if you become a track coach in January though. I assume they just do the math and that person gets more each check for the remaining checks than someone who was already listed as a track coach (and receiving their stipend payments since August) Couldn’t tell you. I would assume that they wouldn’t have to pay anything back because it’s actually added into our salaries on our contracts. This is state wide not just my district.
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Post by CS on Apr 23, 2020 8:31:43 GMT -6
For those who are getting paid, what is the payment process. In my district, coaching stipends are included as part of the regular twice monthly paychecks and the football stipend was spread over 24 checks. Although thinking about it, I was football only in the district, so maybe it is different with other sports with regards to when it starts since someone may be hired late as a coach for other sports. Our stipends are included in our yearly salary
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Post by CS on Apr 11, 2020 4:37:08 GMT -6
How the heck will it be possible to fundraise for football this year? Sell masks and Lysol wipes
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Post by CS on Apr 7, 2020 17:53:40 GMT -6
Get 'em both ... but if it's one or the other, gotta go with the Bruce Lee quote. The difference between defending a Wing T or triple option team vs. defending the same concept against a team that is so well-drilled that everything's coming at you at what seems like light speed is like day vs. night. I don’t understand. Are you using wing t and option coaches as an example of teams that Do too much? Because in my experience it’s the opposite. Every spread OC I have ever met has to hide his hard on after a long weekend of college football watching
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Post by CS on Apr 4, 2020 17:00:42 GMT -6
When coach Schembechler was an assistant for coach Woody Hayes what did he coach? Does anyone know? He was the punch ducking coordinator. Lol
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Post by CS on Apr 1, 2020 18:01:44 GMT -6
Kelley Lee has a good clinic today on Belly G and complements along with PA. A rather refreshing clinic considering all the Facemelter RPO talks out there. I would have loved to have seen that
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Post by CS on Apr 1, 2020 4:38:15 GMT -6
As with most dichotomies, the answer lies somewhere in the middle of the 2 philosophies. You don't want to do so little that you don't have answers and you don't want to do so much that the kids are confused and look sloppy.
I chose Bruce Lee because I would rather have a team that looks well-coached at very few things than a sloppy looking team that does a million things. But in reality, the answer is in the middle.
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Post by CS on Mar 28, 2020 12:29:13 GMT -6
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Post by CS on Mar 22, 2020 18:26:54 GMT -6
This thread is super phucking old
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Post by CS on Mar 19, 2020 6:48:54 GMT -6
Apparently a lot of coaches have decided to exploit the quarantine to make money, b!tch about how bored they are not having off season(I’m sure those dying sympathize), or post home workouts for their teams to do. If I wasn’t addicted to social media I would go dark man. Our coaches have been flooding group text with all the various workouts. One coach send one Maryland is doing. It didn’t seem too strenuous but since they had the incident with a player dying in recent years. It made me wonder if a coach at a school encourages kids by sending these workouts and something goes wrong, if that coach could be held liable to a certain degree. I have been at several different schools and one universal has been to not let kids workout in the weightroom unsupervised. Could these exercises be an extension of unsupervised workouts? Do they open up coaches to potential reprimand or legal action if something goes wrong? I am not involved in implementing these workouts so I am not extremely worried. But it has me wondering. You went way more in-depth than I was thinking but all good points. I was thinking more on the lines that we as a profession need to really sit back and observe our thoughts that we have to control our players time always. For example, a buddy of mine posted a workout that was body weight 3x12 on everything. So 36 push-ups are going to help your kids keep their bench maxes? I get that you don’t want your kids being lumps during all of this but guess what...the kids who are dedicated will do stuff and the ones who are lumps will be lumps. We told our kids to try and get out and do something physical and not to just sit around playing video games but be smart about it. I feel that sufficient
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Post by CS on Mar 18, 2020 18:39:06 GMT -6
Apparently a lot of coaches have decided to exploit the quarantine to make money, b!tch about how bored they are not having off season(I’m sure those dying sympathize), or post home workouts for their teams to do.
If I wasn’t addicted to social media I would go dark man.
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Post by CS on Mar 18, 2020 8:26:34 GMT -6
I am in France where they basically Quarantined everybody. Not allowed to go out except for work, food. It first 15 days but it's goanna be at least 30-45 days at least. I want to find the most coaching ressources that I can. I have the football tool chest for that. Where is the forum I should go to find ressources (mostly on Offense about Air Raid, Flexbone and Wing T) Pretty diverse offensive reading
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Post by CS on Mar 9, 2020 5:55:26 GMT -6
Is that the same jackass who implied we're bad coaches if we don't use expensive pens, while complaining about being poor and almost homeless? No. Different coach. That was murdr. I miss that guy
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Post by CS on Mar 9, 2020 4:01:52 GMT -6
Anyone else ever derailed a thread from anything to male enhancement? I deserve a medal or something
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