|
Post by CS on Jul 2, 2020 5:59:46 GMT -6
From someone outside of the education world, how much funding would a school need if the kids aren't there every day? Not much. Which is why they would lay people off. How many janitors, lunch ladies, teachers and secretaries do you need if the kids aren't there? Or Admin? The admin trying to save their own a$$es may be what saves athletics
|
|
|
Post by CS on Jul 2, 2020 5:57:07 GMT -6
Its not a belief. I know. When you walk into house where rat poop is abundant, roaches are everywhere, and air conditioning is not an option nor is locking the door, it becomes very clear. Without the social interaction, the escape... Modern education is not going to keep kids in seats outside of suburbia. In the inner cities, in the poorer parts of anywhere, it ain’t gonna happen. They will flip burgers instead or fix cars, or sell weed, or join a gang.... I am getting pissed. I too teach kids with those challenges. My point is pure numbers. There simply AREN'T that many kids on your football, basketball, track teams etc that if 100% of them dropped out of school the school would shut down. And I don't believe 100% of them would do that anyway. That is my suggestion. That schools, particularly suburban and urban, will not shutter up because of low attendance due to kids not going to school simply because a sports season is cancelled. I don't think you're thinking of the ripple effect. It's not just about the football team its all the activities that surround it. If there is no football there won't be basketball or cheerleading or band and so on. The first school I coached at will be one that consolidates if there are no sports/activities. Not a doubt in my mind
|
|
|
Post by CS on Jul 1, 2020 17:59:55 GMT -6
If fewer kids are in schools then the state isn't going to provide as much money to said school. Why give the school $7,000(generic number) for a kid that's staying home? So you will have to lay people off because you can't afford to pay them and the ripple effect happens. I have worked a few places where the school was the largest employer in the area. Why keep a small school on the verge of consolidation open if there are no or fewer kids attending? Surely you can see that some schools will have problems keeping the door open. Because the student is still enrolled in the school. That is why they get whatever the per pupil funding amount is. The school is still providing the distance learning (if allowed by the state DOE). Now, I am not as familiar with how homeschool would work, and if these families chose homeschool I would imagine then no funding. But if a family is choosing homeschool, that is different than a school not opening its doors and providing distance learning options, and logically a family choosing homeschool would do that regardless of sports being offered. Talked to my supe the other day. Even if we provide instruction but they aren’t using our facilities we will receive less for those students. So yes it’s a real problem. That’s a big reason our gov. Want school to start and find a way to all be present or to do a/b schedules etc etc
|
|
|
Post by CS on Jul 1, 2020 12:18:18 GMT -6
Several schools are looking at the covid data and beginning to weigh their options to return. Not just assume a position. Many are figuring out that if they don’t go back now, they might never go back. Because they will not survive without sports. Their attendance will be awful and they will not receive enough funding from the state to survive. Along with the fact that a good chunk of teachers will leave the profession without sports, and they know there is already a shortage of people to hire. Schools are starting to think about the financial and long term impact of closing down and weighing the risks. They’re considering more than ‘what’s best for the kids right now’ How do you figure that sports affects attendance to such a degree that it will financially impact a school regarding state attendance? Aren't students required to attend a school until a certain age in each state? If a school chooses not to open the buildings, won't they be required to provide distance learning alternatives (and therefore will have students and enrollment onwhich to base funding?) Or are you talking about a situation where there is no pre assigned attendance zones combined with overlapping or competing LEAs? If fewer kids are in schools then the state isn't going to provide as much money to said school. Why give the school $7,000(generic number) for a kid that's staying home? So you will have to lay people off because you can't afford to pay them and the ripple effect happens. I have worked a few places where the school was the largest employer in the area. Why keep a small school on the verge of consolidation open if there are no or fewer kids attending? Surely you can see that some schools will have problems keeping the door open.
|
|
|
Post by CS on Jul 1, 2020 12:14:27 GMT -6
Several schools are looking at the covid data and beginning to weigh their options to return. Not just assume a position. Many are figuring out that if they don’t go back now, they might never go back. Because they will not survive without sports. Their attendance will be awful and they will not receive enough funding from the state to survive. Along with the fact that a good chunk of teachers will leave the profession without sports, and they know there is already a shortage of people to hire. Schools are starting to think about the financial and long term impact of closing down and weighing the risks. They’re considering more than ‘what’s best for the kids right now’ Rational thought from administrators? You're obviously lying
|
|
|
Post by CS on Jun 29, 2020 3:15:24 GMT -6
We do indo stuff. Never really thought of how many drills you can do without touching things.
|
|
|
Post by CS on Jun 26, 2020 10:13:29 GMT -6
Feel bad for his girlfriend
|
|
|
Post by CS on Jun 26, 2020 3:26:22 GMT -6
If I get your meaning....... This isn't an "all or nothing" argument. There are a massive amount of activities that are far safer and less risky than what football demands when it comes to Covid. People acting like the "no football" decision means the end of all socialization and physical activities can't possibly be that obtuse. C'mon. It's a matter of degrees. And football is an extreme. Our love for it doesn't change facts or risks suddenly. Just this summer- we've done fishing, hiking, canoeing, laser tag, nerf guns, swimming, and little league baseball. Any of those are completely reasonable and active social activities, and infinitely better alternatives to what is necessary for football. I can't see why we'd want to play football in these conditions, other than because of our own self-importance or other selfish reasons. I don't like it either...but it's just reality as I see it. My heart and my emotions don't really matter when it comes to logic and reality. "DEM BOYZ NEED US AND NEED TEH FOOTBALL AND THEY WORKED SO DANG HARD" just doesn't seem to cut it for me as a rational, logical excuse for throwing caution to the wind so carelessly. Again, maybe I'm just soft and uneducated. Know what? I can live with that. But can we live with knowing that we soldiered on in the glorious name of football, and some kid's whole family all got sick? Parents had to self-quarantine from a job that doesn't allow working from home and lost income? Grandparents got dangerously ill? 15 kids on my team all got sick, and...oh yeah....15 kids on each of our last two opponents teams did too? And now the school is completely shut down again and everyone is back home, doing remote learning and the parents have to figure all that out again? Because that's what will happen if 65 frigging kids that breathe on each other every day for 2 hours straight get exposed to this frigging thing. Why? Because we wanted to see how awesome our Cover Blue scheme works with all the studs we have coming back in the secondary this season? I don't know dudes.....I really don't. Like I said, I'm happy to be the unpopular a-hole of the board on this topic. I get it. But I hope it causes us to think a little about what we're really fighting for. Baseball violates 6 ft and safety, my guess is laser tag does as well. The virus came from water part areas so fishing and swimming isnt exactly risk free. And none of your activities are safe if we dont know the cause or how its transmitted. And we dont. if it was just about football, that is one thing. Shut it down. But this is way beyond football. You dont who used what facilities, what they are touching, who is touching what....so by logic and reason, you are endangering your family, friend and society. So when do you want to go back to living? What if there is no vaccine? By logic and reason we are duty bound to stop activities. Not that it will happen though. Has nothing to do with being soft or hard or educated or uneducated. It is as you said logic and reason. You’re a fuking anomaly to me. You make 200 posts that make no sense and 1 that is really well thought out. Never seen it. Good post
|
|
|
Post by CS on Jun 22, 2020 3:25:57 GMT -6
Something that hasn't been mentioned is how would we know they even got it from football? I'm not saying that football isn't a bigger risk at all but the kids are going about everything business as usual.
We have had 3 weeks of practice so far. We wear the mask, we take the precautions, we disinfect and then release them and they go off campus, huddle up around a truck and drink Gatorade and shoot the sh!t for a couple of hours.
We had a spike in a city here a few weeks ago because some booger eaters had a house party and someone there was infected. So I'm finding it hard to believe that they could truly blame one thing or the other unless they force everyone to get tested prior to doing anything socially.
|
|
|
Post by CS on Jun 21, 2020 14:35:45 GMT -6
Anybody have any recommendations for a Bluetooth speaker that I can purchase for practice? I would like to be able to hear it for at least 70 yards fairly clear.
|
|
|
Post by CS on Jun 18, 2020 9:02:57 GMT -6
I just completed only my third year of teaching and coaching, but I already tend to agree with you for the most part. I just recently got an offer from the high school I went to. My sister still goes there, and my parents, fiancee, and soon to be in laws (cue the jokes, but they are really like my second set of parents) still live within a stones throw. When my old HC called me to offer, I said "I am for sure interested, but let me think about it." I like the school I am at, but said I'd feel it out. Sure enough, like a sign from God (even though I have to admit I don't really look for those), my current HC tells me about a conversation he had with our principal and curriculum AP about my "lack of classroom management", flat out lying about me skipping a professional development that I was never asked to go to, and overall just making chit up about me for some reason...all my observations have been good (from the AP that covers English), and these two hags have never even BEEN in my classroom...hmm. I immediately called the new place and accepted! Anyway, longwinded getting to the point, but don't trust the front office! They have nothing but their best interests and covering their own ass in mind at all times. And the ones who tell you most often that they're there for you, will be the first ones to sell you out/throw you under the bus. I only had 2 administrators ever actually go to bat for me. One was old school as all get out and retired unfortunately. No one messed with him because they were scared of him. The other was old school too and didn't really get to retire on his own terms because people didn't like him. I would have ran through a wall for either. Old guys are the best. It's the young "up and comers" you have to worry about. My last school the old school principal retired and we had a "Row the Boater" come in to take his place. He was the typical used car salesmen type that would talk sh!t behind your back and be your best friend to your face. Couldn't stand him
|
|
|
Post by CS on Jun 15, 2020 11:52:35 GMT -6
|
|
|
Post by CS on Jun 13, 2020 5:58:51 GMT -6
Our state association is going to have a vote next month to flip spring sports and fall sports possibly. But until the. We are scheduled to return to play in August but nobody knows what that will look like Please dont take this the wrong way, But what does it what sport plays when? If the corona virus is still around, comes back in the fall, it will not matter what sport is taking place, they are not playing. They're probably thinking since Baseball is being played now with restrictions and its a non contact sport that the positives may not spike. For the most part the kids already provide their own equipment and, if not, the equipment is minimal to disinfect between using. Same for track. Non-contact and minimal equipment to disinfect if you take out pole vault and high jump, possibly hurdles since you have to take them on and off and disinfection would be a nightmare. Compare that to volleyball and football. Volleyball is indoor and close quarters with a ball being touched by multiple people on every play. Football is outdoor but has the same problem as volleyball with the ball thing. Plus its a contact sport and nobody has their own equipment. I guess everyone could buy their own water bottles but that's about as good as it gets. The powers that be are probably seeing football possibly being cancelled in the fall anyway and they are trying to buy some more time for this thing to blow over and salvage the season. But I don't care about any of that. I just hope i'm able to keep them there for 4-5 hours and most of which is taken up by my long speeches about life, the other couple of hours doing community service on the side of the road while giving them motivational speeches about what it used to be like when I played. Coming back to the field to run a few plays and then running 110's until the sun goes down and its time for dinner.
|
|
|
Post by CS on Jun 12, 2020 19:32:34 GMT -6
My biggest question is when can or do we transition from all this to regular football? We'll have like a month once we get on the field till the pads come on, is that really gonna happen? Any places/state associations address that yet? It's great to have a chance to get on the field again but will we really get a chance for a season? Our state association is going to have a vote next month to flip spring sports and fall sports possibly. But until the. We are scheduled to return to play in August but nobody knows what that will look like
|
|
|
Post by CS on Jun 11, 2020 9:49:30 GMT -6
I tell every new coach I meet to never trust an administrator. They would eat their young
|
|
|
Post by CS on Jun 7, 2020 4:33:51 GMT -6
I’ve found the biggest meat heads are the ones who hate the FTC stuff. If you argue with Wendler are you truly a meat head anymore? In all seriousness though Wendler doesn’t have his kids barbell squat in season so there is probably something to this thing. I’m not completely on board with everything Holler is about because he really isn’t a dedicated football coach and kinda talks out of his a$$ about football coaching in my opinion. However, he makes a lot of good points and has made me rethink all my drills and practice structure I don't hate the ideas, I hate the people who worship it as a religion and walk around smelling their own farts. LOL! Fair enough. I wasn't talking specifically about you or anyone in particular. Holler is like anyone else that has a contrarian approach though. You have to take what the message is and try and apply it in a way that you believe can help and not worry about all his other bull$hit. He has probably had to defend his way of doing things so much in the past that he takes a defensive approach and it eventually became just bashing other coaches for the way they do things
|
|
|
Post by CS on Jun 6, 2020 19:20:55 GMT -6
Don’t over think this. Wendler said it best “don’t beat the sh!t out of your kids Monday through Thursday and expect them to be any good on Friday.” Pretty much sums it up for me. This is FTC philosophy I’ve found the biggest meat heads are the ones who hate the FTC stuff. If you argue with Wendler are you truly a meat head anymore? In all seriousness though Wendler doesn’t have his kids barbell squat in season so there is probably something to this thing. I’m not completely on board with everything Holler is about because he really isn’t a dedicated football coach and kinda talks out of his a$$ about football coaching in my opinion. However, he makes a lot of good points and has made me rethink all my drills and practice structure
|
|
|
Post by CS on Jun 6, 2020 12:49:23 GMT -6
Don’t over think this. Wendler said it best “don’t beat the sh!t out of your kids Monday through Thursday and expect them to be any good on Friday.”
Pretty much sums it up for me.
|
|
|
Post by CS on Jun 5, 2020 10:27:19 GMT -6
I think something that never really gets mentioned is taking inventory of the drills you run and what they are designed to do.
If i'm working a reaction drill with the d-line why am I having them sprint to a cone that's a designated distance(usually 5 to 10 yards)?
There are certain drills that don't need that extra running involved. You can cut down on the amount of running you do just by knowing where the kids need to run and where they don't
|
|
|
Post by CS on May 25, 2020 4:46:30 GMT -6
Ultimately, If this is a huge issue for you then you are in a place that doesn't care much about the sport and you won't be consistently good.
|
|
|
Post by CS on May 22, 2020 20:51:03 GMT -6
I'm going to play your part for a moment. What happens when your most hard working, never misses a second, first one there, last one to leave but couldn't play dead in a western kid is in the same position as a kid who would be there but he has been sitting in the hospital with his dying mother and missed a few weeks of summer sessions? By your logic, of discipline and work ethic rewarding, the gangly kid with no athletic ability gets to start all season because, you know, family isn't as important as making your workouts exactly. The superstar corner who didnt do a thing take his rightful place on field. Academic ? Ah screw it? Practice? We talkin' about practice? Hell with coaches call this is his team. That works out well. You make zero sense and i'm not sure that you can
|
|
|
Post by CS on May 22, 2020 18:36:05 GMT -6
What's hypocritical, the idea that we'll do whatever is best for the team? We never tell them anything other than that. Kids don't work out to make them the best player at their position on our team. They're trying to get them better than they guys who they're going to play against. The plain fact is sometimes a kid can work as hard as possible, make himself as good as he can be, but somebody else may still be a better football player and give the TEAM a better chance to win. Football is, after all, a team sport. all is true except the discipline and the team just hit the door. If work ethic means nothing, if it is not rewarded, and by extension, lack of work ethic is rewarded, you lose the team, but future potential players. That is not what is best for the team. And it makes the coach a hypocrite. The coach says all the right things but does not believe or live it out. I'm going to play your part for a moment. What happens when your most hard working, never misses a second, first one there, last one to leave but couldn't play dead in a western kid is in the same position as a kid who would be there but he has been sitting in the hospital with his dying mother and missed a few weeks of summer sessions? By your logic, of discipline and work ethic rewarding, the gangly kid with no athletic ability gets to start all season because, you know, family isn't as important as making your workouts
|
|
|
Post by CS on May 22, 2020 15:04:01 GMT -6
Like what blb said, not one person gets all of the reps anyway. Kids know who the better players are. Plus if you're not afraid of difficult conversations and you sit and talk to kids they generally understand. That being said if your scenario actually played out as you described it I have never coached a team that had a kid taking all the reps during the summer and then get bounced as soon as another kid got back. If the kid coming back was good enough i'm sure that the kid who got tons of reps in the summer would be at least good enough to split some reps if I had spent all summer repping his a$$ I know the kids know the pecking order. And there is always a social draw to playin any sport. But if its the players play, the coach really doesnt really believe in discipline. THe. Coach doesnt really believe in hard work or any of the other non sense he is selling. My example was a kid who had to leave the state to live with another parent because his parents were divorced and it was the only time he could see his dad throughout the year and somehow you turn that into not believing in hard work or discipline? I have had this happen at two different schools now. One kid, who is at Harvard now, got all of his make-ups done in one week(he doubled up if you are wondering). The other kid quit after a few days. We can "what if" all day long but ultimately if a kid is just skipping practice he won't be very good. He won't know the plays or be in shape and the other kids will. If a kid has to miss because of family and pays his dues and is physically ready to play when the season rolls around then he will play if he is the best.
|
|
|
Post by CS on May 22, 2020 13:15:26 GMT -6
Agreed. We enforce making up the practice that you missed but we have kids who miss all summer to go and live with their Dad in another state. Can't fault a kid if that's his only chance to see his dad all year. I don't do the case by case basis because that's opening up yourself to bull$hit you don't have time for. Hard fast rule. You miss you make it up. If you have made it up by the time its game time then you can play if we feel like you are ready to. If its the whole summer kid it would be 2 weeks of make ups mostly for conditioning purposes and he would be fine and what do you tell the kid who shows to every session, then when practice starts, the guy who didnt show. For whatever reason gets all the reps? Like what blb said, not one person gets all of the reps anyway. Kids know who the better players are. Plus if you're not afraid of difficult conversations and you sit and talk to kids they generally understand. That being said if your scenario actually played out as you described it I have never coached a team that had a kid taking all the reps during the summer and then get bounced as soon as another kid got back. If the kid coming back was good enough i'm sure that the kid who got tons of reps in the summer would be at least good enough to split some reps if I had spent all summer repping his a$$
|
|
|
Post by CS on May 21, 2020 8:46:08 GMT -6
Ten year old topic coming back to life, gotta love a pandemic. First off no way can you truly hold kid accountable for missing out of season work outs. That's a pissing contest you don't want to start most places. Best it to reward those who do show up, team gear, pick number first, etc. Second, and coming from a small school mentality right now, it's funny how we have thread after thread about getting kids to come out and play then thread after thread about punishing them for not coming to non-mandatory stuff. We want numbers numbers number on the team but then are like "Well you didnt make 75% of off season stuff so go run 6 miles, do 100 up downs, and roll 100 yards!" Say goodbye to that kid. If a kid is that far behind at the star of the season they will find out real fast what they missed and either make a choice themselves to pick it up or broom themselves. Just feel like we want to cut off our noses to spite our faces sometimes as coaches when it comes to kids playing as the war on football rages on... Agreed. We enforce making up the practice that you missed but we have kids who miss all summer to go and live with their Dad in another state. Can't fault a kid if that's his only chance to see his dad all year. I don't do the case by case basis because that's opening up yourself to bull$hit you don't have time for. Hard fast rule. You miss you make it up. If you have made it up by the time its game time then you can play if we feel like you are ready to. If its the whole summer kid it would be 2 weeks of make ups mostly for conditioning purposes and he would be fine
|
|
|
Post by CS on May 12, 2020 17:08:43 GMT -6
That’s really 2 sides to the same coin. Depends on how they do it, how you view it, and who it is. I would argue that the guys making bank in high school live in a community that you would be the minority in because they make that pay day BECAUSE the community want the team to win There is no money, none whatsoever coming from the community this school is in. ZERO. None of the coaches, except one, live in this school district. It is strictly because it is damn near impossible to get anybody to come. No coach worth their salt stays, no teacher of any accomplishment would come here, much less raise their family here. All the money comes from the state or county. There is no such thing as real parental involvement. It doesnt exist. The kids dont dare have zoom meetings. why? Because that computer will be gone when he leaves for any length of time. The demographics where Uncle Tom or my HC lives, is completely opposite of where he works. The community in which he works, he has the only African American family. We do not have a white kid on our team. We have one Hispanic who sort of shows up..when he wants to. White Kids go to school in the district where my boss lives and puts his kids in school. We go 4-6, 5-5? They are firing Uncle Tom. And not because he is 4-6 or 5-5 but because he is Uncle Tom. I would not be far off in guessing that the total income, like any job at all for my group of parent, and its not parents, its parent, is less than 60,000 a year. I have 5-8 kids depending on which day it is. Good to know
|
|
|
Post by CS on May 12, 2020 16:42:22 GMT -6
Not a thing wrong with being a janitor, My kids are just capable doing better for themselves. The system is set up for them to do better for themselves. Plenty of people can do janitorial work. Plenty of people of will. What wrong with wanting for your players? Why would you give your players the idea that is ok work, especially when you know they are capable of more. Wouldn't labeling something "not ok work" be demeaning to those who do the work, some of which could be parents or relatives of these players. More importantly, you think that doing janitorial tasks would then inspire someone to say "Hey, this is good. I want to do this. Screw that A in Calculus I am carrying." Really? That doing some type of service project would change their life trajectory? Hell, I might think it would work in the opposite manner, and expose someone to something they DON'T want to do, so they make choices due to that. That’s really 2 sides to the same coin. Depends on how they do it, how you view it, and who it is. I would argue that the guys making bank in high school live in a community that you would be the minority in because they make that pay day BECAUSE the community want the team to win
|
|
|
Post by CS on May 12, 2020 16:40:40 GMT -6
What's wrong with being a janitor? It's good, honest, useful work. Not a thing wrong with being a janitor, My kids are just capable doing better for themselves. The system is set up for them to do better for themselves. Plenty of people can do janitorial work. Plenty of people of will. What wrong with wanting more for and from your players? Why would you give your players the idea that is ok work, especially when you know they are capable of more. You in one breath will say that community service doesn’t affect a kid in a positive manner but in the same breath think that having kids do janitorial work will encourage them to be janitors? Thanks for your contribution to the topic
|
|
|
Post by CS on May 12, 2020 14:17:17 GMT -6
Could be off base here and he can correct me if I’m wrong but I’m not sure he is mocking good deeds but the reasons behind them. We live in a society that’s just trying to be seen constantly and self promotion is everywhere. I’m not talking sh!t about those people...live and let live and all. He’s mocking the people who post the good deeds as a way of saying “Hey! Look at me and what a great man I am for influencing kids to be better! Give me likes!” When in reality the kids are probably already good kids and they don’t have the influence they think in the long term. I have a buddy who had his team be janitors for a day and clean toilets in the school and empty trash cans etc. and posted it all over Facebook. Don’t get me wrong I love this guy. He’s a great dude but I was even thinking that was ridiculous. But, again, it’s his team and that what he had them do. To each his own I get that..but by posting "called it" isn't he in effect saying that the OP is doing that? By constantly bemoaning people asking about such things, isn't he inherently suggesting that the vast majority of coaches are like that? Not to mention, even if the good deeds get posted.. they were still done right? Sure, it is kind of grating on one's sensibilities to see rich and famous people donating large sums of money (but the equivalent 99% of the population donating maybe $50 bucks) Jeff Bezoz donated 100 million recently, which seems great until you find out his net worth has increased 25 BILLION during the COVID-19 Pandemic. So that isn't a big deal in terms of what he did, but for the people receiving aid from that 100million, do they care that the guy is pandering? Hell, it is still better than the guy in the white house who says he was charitable but turns out he never donated.... So, again, why mock someone who is doing good deeds. Not to be a dick but having kids do virtual community service reeks of social media plastering. Here’s the deal. I post sh!t on social media all the time but I’m promoting the players as much as I can. It’s just the world we live in. So I’m not against social media at all. Your last statement pretty much answers your question though. You compare Jeff Bezoz who did relatively nothing as far as skin off his a$$ and used it to insult another rich person because he didn’t give anything. That’s why larrymo is pi$$y about community service posters. Because they do it for self promotion a guy like him is expected to or he gets ridiculed
|
|
|
Post by CS on May 12, 2020 9:13:33 GMT -6
Yes- but your tone here in in the other thread still begs the question : “why is doing good deeds something to be mocked?” Could be off base here and he can correct me if I’m wrong but I’m not sure he is mocking good deeds but the reasons behind them. We live in a society that’s just trying to be seen constantly and self promotion is everywhere. I’m not talking sh!t about those people...live and let live and all. He’s mocking the people who post the good deeds as a way of saying “Hey! Look at me and what a great man I am for influencing kids to be better! Give me likes!” When in reality the kids are probably already good kids and they don’t have the influence they think in the long term. I have a buddy who had his team be janitors for a day and clean toilets in the school and empty trash cans etc. and posted it all over Facebook. Don’t get me wrong I love this guy. He’s a great dude but I was even thinking that was ridiculous. But, again, it’s his team and that what he had them do. To each his own
|
|